Reposting private PM/EMAIL and posting of personal information - Ban warning

[antowan]

Hi guys! Some folks see it fit to repost without permission some private communication done via email or PM when it suits them. This is not how email or PM's work. If any person repost PM or email content without permission and somebody points it out, the person who posted it can expect a 1 day ban from me! Private communication is PRIVATE!

Thanks
Antowan

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Does this rule apply to only posting the EXACT contents of the PM (i.e. copy n paste) or would it also hold if 'one' paraphrases the contents of a PM?Both, do not publicly post anything that anyone else has written in a private message, also the permission clause is revoked, i.e. only the original author of something written in a private message is allowed to publicly post what they personally have written, and anything that anyone else has written [e.g. p.m. quote blocks] must first be deleted prior to the original author posting what they have personally written, that means that only the original author may grant them self permission to publicly post what they have written in a private message.</added>

[munwaal]

Hi guys! Some folks see it fit to repost without permission some private communication done via email or PM when it suits them. This is not how email or PM's work. If any person repost PM or email content without permission and somebody points it out, the person who posted it can expect a 1 day ban from me! Private communication is PRIVATE!

Thanks
Antowan

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a WHOLE day?!

[stepper]

1 day a lil soft I say a week maybe and check IPs for possible multiple handles!

[Vio]

Hi guys! Some folks see it fit to repost without permission some private communication done via email or PM when it suits them. This is not how email or PM's work. If any person repost PM or email content without permission and somebody points it out, the person who posted it can expect a 1 day ban from me! Private communication is PRIVATE!

Thanks
Antowan

lol, its private only as long as the reciever of the information wishes to keep it that way, unless the sender stuck in some disclaimer/request I don't see whats wrong with quoting a pm.

[MaD]

yeah - PM means Private Message, not Public Message :)

[stepper]

Is ajak banned?

[antowan]

No ajak is not banned but next time anybody does that it will result in a ban. :)

This should not be big issue. Just please ask the sender if you can repost the PM or email content. It is simply good practice.

:)

[Vio]

Well, If someone sends me and agressive pm I feel it is within my right to expose that persons attitude if need be.

[Vio]

No ajak is not banned but next time anybody does that it will result in a ban. :)

This should not be big issue. Just please ask the sender if you can repost the PM or email content. It is simply good practice.

:)

So he pm's me "up yours you suck" I ask him "can i post this" he saiz "no" I go ahead and post :D

[Vio]

Lol fine; I just like the option of taking the "law" into my own hands instead of running to the "police" ;)

So, where do you stand when someone else quotes someone else's pm: e.g. pm recieved -> pasted in irc -> some one else quotes wihtout knowing.

[ajak]

Hi guys! Some folks see it fit to repost without permission some private communication done via email or PM when it suits them. This is not how email or PM's work. If any person repost PM or email content without permission and somebody points it out, the person who posted it can expect a 1 day ban from me! Private communication is PRIVATE!

Thanks
Antowan
So anyone can launch a personal attack on anyone they please, and nobody can read it, I think that if you send me e-mail that mail belongs to me and I can use it as I see fit, correct me if I’m wrong. The forums are open. But a pm becomes personal (as in MY property) if such an email is perceived by the recipient to warrant action on his or her part, action in my opinion must be taken. What you are now propagating is that if you send me mail(and you insult my race etc)I need your permission to go to the cops, those days are gone where the dislike of a person can result in punishment,(as in this case) your threat to punish, those that you think do not obey your instructions for a day is in my opinion the first step to a autocratic management of myadsl,if you however want to ban me from myadsl YOU apparently have the POWER to do so. But please post it.

[ajak]

For the record (http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9389/icsnapshotsast200510051053285d.png) this is the p.m. that I sent ajak (http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4449/icsnapshotsast200510051054028y.png), that ajak did not ask my permission to publish on the forum - not just posted by ajak once, but a second time this morning - all that was required was for ajak to ask my permission to post the contents of my p.m., or ask me to post the message, which ajak has still not requested.If a p.m. is quoted/posted on this forum without prior consent from the sender, then report it as a bad post, and the moderators will then deal with it. If it is pasted into irc, then take it up with ops for the specific irc channel.

if a e-mail gets send to me,and the sender has nothing to hide,i`m not shy,what you send me make it public.That all can read it,and not post links to outher site`s.

[kingmonty]

*sigh* ajak: I don't see how it (the PM in question) was a personal attack on you, nor do I see the relevance to this forum of you trying to argue about it.

[MaD]

This thread is a waste of time.

[MaryJane]

And the stirrer award goes to ..... ajak :D

[ajak]

*sigh* ajak: I don't see how it (the PM in question) was a personal attack on you, nor do I see the relevance to this forum of you trying to argue about it.

My friend I’m not argueing, what riles me is the tone and the instruction to me that I must not post a link, that’s what` it’s all about. I browsed the gaming threads and links aplenty, but they don’t get warnings. Do they? And what in gods name has gaming to do with myadsl,if myadsl is soly adsl so be it, BAN EVERYTHING ELS

[ajak]

And the stirrer award goes to ..... ajak :D

come on, who me?you must be joking,i`m a sweet oke

[Vio]

I don't want to be dificult but I'm heavily against this, I can understand if a post is moderated because the material is sensitive, but what you guys are trying to say is the equivelent of that any email a person recieves remains the property of the sender and I believe its quite difrent in practise anything recieved becomes your property unless the sender requests that it not be made public. Oh and ontop of that instead of just moderating you want to ban, wich is over kill.

[MaryJane]

I do not understand why you are making a fuss over this Vio. antowan has made a simple request and if you choose to ignore the request you will get a 24 hour ban (IMO this is light punishment). I am sure you will not be pleased if you saw your PMs posted for everyone to see.

[bwana]

All the administration is saying is if you want to quote a pm then ask - simple really. This isnt a democracy regardless of what anyone thinks. When you join you agree to be bound by the terms and conditions - plain and simple - if you dont like it then dont post. Its not a difficult concept.

[Vio]

I do not understand why you are making a fuss over this Vio. antowan has made a simple request and if you choose to ignore the request you will get a 24 hour ban (IMO this is light punishment). I am sure you will not be pleased if you saw your PMs posted for everyone to see.
I'm just trying to understand the valid justification for this "new rule", with its "not so harsh" ban punishment. I'm also debating whether or not it’s a good idea, personally these types of things should just be moderated IMO. Banning because you post someone else's words IS overkill.

I'm not making a fuss about it. I am just disagreeing with the concept and asking for clarification for the need, especialy for such harsh punishment.

If the "staff" just wanted to tell us something finish and klaar and not want debate on it then they should put it in a locked thread under announcements where it will not be open for debate. But as it is it is sitting under Forum suggestions and gripes, which I can say is hardly the place to go put an official "rule".

Just looking at posts like these over the last 2-4 months it has become my concern that there are certain individuals who are trying to "drive" for a more autocratically controled enviroment instead of the free MyADSL environment and effectively lock out posts from people they don't like/disagree with by labeling them as "stirrers" or "trolls". As such I’ve kind of made it my personal mission to question any additional form of control and ask the questions "is this really necessary?" or "isn't this over kill?". Now this might not have much to do with "stirrers" and "trolls", but a law like this will probably be used either to ban them or to silence them. In short I’m playing the devils advocate. Maybe my efort is misplaced, but that's the way I feel about this. :)

[slimothy]

hahaha a 1 day ban, hahaha

[Vio]

All the administration is saying is if you want to quote a pm then ask - simple really. This isnt a democracy regardless of what anyone thinks. When you join you agree to be bound by the terms and conditions - plain and simple - if you dont like it then dont post. Its not a difficult concept.

And its not excactly in the terms and conditions is it? I've read it.

[MaD]

hahaha a 1 day ban, hahaha
Well the amount of times you guys post on here, 1 day will seem like a year!! :p

[antowan]

There is a difference between some joke and private communication. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to distinguish between private and not so private. If somebody tells you his real name for instance, he obviously had a good reason to send it via PM and not post it on the forum. You DO NOT have the right (without asking) to repost that information.

This is just one example. There should be no debate about this. A joke can naturally be reposted seeing as it is public domain anyway. Reposting the joke would be no problem, but some things belong in the private domain and other public. Differentiating between the two is a life skill we all should master...

One thing you can be very sure will get you a temporary ban, is to repost mod PM's directed to you in private, in the public forum... No questions asked! A temporary ban will be coming your way from now on.

:)

I am sure this is not a difficult issue to understand VIO. I am not trying to be vindictive at all. But the word "private" does have meaning...

[RolandD]

I have to agree strongly with vio and ajak, the concept of a private message does not imply that any information sent miraculously becomes privileged (not without the concent of both parties anyway, never). Intellectual property......bla bla bla…why don't you apply for a patent ?

Sounds like nothing more than a typical moderator power trip to me. Have been a few too many of them lately.

[JStrike]

RolandD : "Intellectual property......bla bla bla…why don't you apply for a patent ? "

Real constructive that. Do you not understand the concept of Intellectual Property rights?

[slimothy]

well i'll just post ANY correspondence i get from ANY moderator now, just to piss you off,

[Ryder_JHB]

This place is starting to remind me of the Jerry Springer show...

[slimothy]

This place is starting to remind me of the Jerry Springer show...
I know that might have seemed like a clever diss when you thought of it, but you just admitted to watching the jerry springer show

[Ryder_JHB]

I know that might have seemed like a clever diss when you thought of it, but you just admitted to watching the jerry springer show

U got me Slimothy... I stay up all night watching re-runs while I comb my mullet :D

[Vio]

One thing you can be very sure will get you a temporary ban, is to repost mod PM's directed to you in private, in the public forum... No questions asked! A temporary ban will be coming your way from now on.

:)

I am sure this is not a difficult issue to understand VIO. I am not trying to be vindictive at all. But the word "private" does have meaning...

True a day for quoting a mod pm does not seem so bad as these types of comunication are usualy profesional and "priviladged" information.

[LandyMan]

U got me Slimothy... I stay up all night watching re-runs while I comb my mullet :D

BWAHAHAHAHA ... sad state of affairs bud!:D

[MaD]

It looks as if quite a few people are taking MyADSL for granted and think they can do anything on it. Not so. Abide by the rules, or piss off.

[Vio]

private messages are just that - private.Perhaps an explicit rule needs to be added to the Terms & Conditions, but it does not remove the word "Private" from "Private Message", which makes it an implicit rule that a p.m. is still private unless consent is requested by the recipient(s) and granted by the sender, to publically post/publish.

Everyone has the right to privacy in the confines of a private environment, which is where private messages are - in the confines of a private environment.
All and fair I agree that there needs to be some rules about pm's if they being abused. All I'm disagree with is the severity of the punishment of 1 day. Personaly a moderation and a warning followed by a 1 day if continuously violated seems more sensable. Not every one reads t/c.


If one of the moderators is asked to intervene due to malicious abuse of the private messaging system, then you will not find the moderator going and publically posting the contents of the alleged malicious private message, having said that, moderators do not have access to anyone's private messages except their own, and AFAIK an administrator of the vBulletin system, i.e. rpm, also does not have access to anyone's private messages. It is a system designed to protect privacy.So what that means is if someone sends me a "@#$@#$$ you die beech haha" message that even if I complain to a mod about it there is no way to prove it... :/ Meaning that with this new rule if any one quotes a pm theres no way to prove it either, Its a bit of a concern.

But as I said if anything needs to be layed down in stone: Anouncements/locked thread/updated t/c. Here under under offtopic everything is up for debate :D

[Ryder_JHB]

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...

[Vio]

It looks as if quite a few people are taking MyADSL for granted and think they can do anything on it. Not so. Abide by the rules, or piss off.
We not breaking rules are we? We discussing them. :)

[MaD]

We not breaking rules are we? We discussing them. :)
I was meaning the ones who break them. And what is the point of banging on and on and on and on about something? MyADSL is not a site for a few individuals to come and throw tantrums at it's a site where we can all get together and chat NORMALLY about things.

There are a handful of people who are making this site VERY unpleasant, so much so that I can say with certainty that they are driving people away from this site.

It's not up to them to ruin the myadsl experience for others. If I could ban, I would have a long time ago. Not being unfair, just being fair to MyADSL. Courteousness and respect costs nothing, and the handful of people show none of that to anyone, so they should get lost and go bring down some other forum's name, not this one.

[rsd]

if such an email is perceived by the recipient to warrant action on his or her part, action in my opinion must be taken. What you are now propagating is that if you send me mail(and you insult my race etc)I need your permission to go to the cops,

The point is if a PM is offensive or *insert random whine here* you should take it to the Moderators / RPM.

If someone sent you an email insulting your race etc, would you run around in the street, rounding up a mob for some good old vigilante justice? I suspect you would, but the correct course of action would be to take the matter to the cops.

Not that comparing moderators to the police is a great analogy, but they do police the forums and try to keep the idiots in check. (And I'm not calling you an idiot, please don't get all excited)

[MaryJane]

It looks as if quite a few people are taking MyADSL for granted and think they can do anything on it. Not so. Abide by the rules, or piss off.

I agree with MaD whole heartedly. All this moaning and whining about the way the forum is dealt with is distracting us from the real cause why the majority of us are here. If you don’t like it, then leave. I participate in MyADSL because of its professionalism and a few individuals are causing harm and adding no value whatsoever.

If you want to criticize, then at least let it be about something constructive.

[slimothy]

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=28771

that is the first violator of this new rule, will they be banned for 24 hours then?

[Luke7777]

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=28771

that is the first violator of this new rule, will they be banned for 24 hours then? You assume he doesn't have permission to publish the content. Jeeez, stop being so f***ing anal about things and grow up.

[craigsa]

Thank god this post doesnt involve me :)

[antowan]

well i'll just post ANY correspondence i get from ANY moderator now, just to piss you off,

:p

[Vio]

Thank god this post doesnt involve me :)
Hehehe now it does ;)

[nocilah]

whoa... what happens if i send a quote of a pm via another pm to someone else and then that person posts it... then do both the people get banned... cuz you know... that's thin ice terrority cuz in effect both people are then guilty. :D

[ajak]

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=28771

that is the first violator of this new rule, will they be banned for 24 hours then?
and to you A BIG FIVE

[ajak]

RolandD : "Intellectual property......bla bla bla…why don't you apply for a patent ? "

Real constructive that. Do you not understand the concept of Intellectual Property rights?
THANKS BUD

[st3ve]

You know that funny feeling you get when you walk into a room and ever so slightly suspect everyone was just talking about you?:eek:

[ajak]

You know that funny feeling you get when you walk into a room and ever so slightly suspect everyone was just talking about you?:eek:
TV 2?

[Vio]

IC, fair I agree with this from that perspective, I just think that banning someone(even if its only for a day) for quoting someone else is a bit harsh. I personaly believe banning should only happen as a last resort, last thing you want to do is ban someone who just plain "didn't know". A more responsible penalty would be warning and if the warning is not heeded then a ban.

Ag well this thing has dragged on long enought, you know where I stand ;)

[slimothy]

teh first violator of this rule has not had acton taken against them, they said it was a press release HOWEVER press releases might start with 'Dear members of the press' (but ussually not) but I think this is the first that starts with 'Dear members'

also people dont ask the press for donations, its clearly a adressed to members of a certain group who have donated before and therefor without express written or implied roal consent from the author of the letter or head of the organisation we can consider it a private email NOT meant for the forum

I have no problem with the rule (well the 1 day ban is a little ridiculous) if it is enforced evenly and fairly however its day 1 and antowan has already moved the goal posts.

this rule like alot of the others isn't meant for everyone, it is meant for a few.. i bet if ajak posted some members only spam he got in his inbox he would be banned for the day, but of course we all know myadsl doesnt enforce rules fairly anyway

[st3ve]

teh first violator of this rule has not had acton taken against them, they said it was a press release HOWEVER press releases might start with 'Dear members of the press' (but ussually not) but I think this is the first that starts with 'Dear members'

also people dont ask the press for donations, its clearly a adressed to members of a certain group who have donated before and therefor without express written or implied roal consent from the author of the letter or head of the organisation we can consider it a private email NOT meant for the forum
blah blah blah

Lordy, Lordy this is beginning to sound like 'Life of Brian' Look the fact is that I received a press release from EWT, it was addressed to EWT members, although I am not an EWT member, why it was addressed to EWT members and not members of the press I don't know. At any rate I posted this 'spam' over here because I thought that mybroadband members may or may not wish to assist the said Wildlife Foundation.

I had not read Antowan's post about submitting private messages into the public domain and even if I had I would have still gone and posted it simply because Press Releases in their very nature seek publicity and since publicity is an antonym to privacy I'm justified.

[slimothy]

well let me say my attacks arent attacks, i just point things out, if its erroneous id love people to point that out, thats what this whole freedom of speech thing is about.

how did i get appointed an op? hmm well, first I made the actual channel myself and started the campaign to save the efnet za link myself (which worked btw and is a primary reason why we even have a za efnet link anymore), then i organised a bunch of q & a's myself, organised chat sessions myself and asked rpm to make it the official chan AND msgd mods to come in the chan and take it over.

I told rpm he could send the mods in, they could be op and i would gladly step down, he said i could stay as an op without a problem since I did you know EVERYTHING. I then added every mod who ever entered the channel to the bots so they are ops, and thats pretty much how it went down.

These days I idle there sure, but i keep myself deopped, course i could op myself whenever but you know.. who honestly cares about ops in some channel.. well besides you.

I don't attack the forum, i try make it better, if theres wishhy washy stuff happenening i bring it up, if you must see it as an attack, see it as an attack against you, not the forum, its for the good of the forum to discuss sensitive issues like mods not moderating fairy etc

heres the thing, you seem to have troll liek behaviour towards me, not antowan, antowan can take a joke or let a stupid comment slide, i like antowan, peapod has that quality too, i have spoken to therodent, although i dont always agree with him, he seems liek a solid guy with experience under his belt... but you are the one who seems to hunt down my posts liek you have nothign better to do, insert the word troll a few times in some essay you address to me and assume i care, ive tried to explain to you that i dont, or that i dont like you etc but it never sinks in, so let my last statements in this topic say it all

i think myadsl is a good forum, and i like it enough to contribute, i think the community is fine, i think the mods can on occasion act like kids (so can members but members are just regular users so its OK for them to do it), I think ic looks for my posts just so he can type the word troll (which ironicly.. is trolling) and I think someone should get ic a girlfriend

[st3ve]

Hey slimothy at first I thought that was about me, but now I see it's about IC.

For the record I love you all equally in this forum!

Geez, and I'm going out on a limb here, but I even think I love our little Ajak:D

[Chris]

...

i think myadsl is a good forum, and i like it enough to contribute, i think the community is fine, i think the mods can on occasion act like kids (so can members but members are just regular users so its OK for them to do it), I think ic looks for my posts just so he can type the word troll (which ironicly.. is trolling) and I think someone should get ic a girlfriend

With that kind of mentality, no-wonder mods have a "Ban" button.

I actually think the mods are very lenient on users [such as YOU, Ajax and Vio] and if i was a mod, you would have been banned a long time ago.

You [and your buddies] who ALWAYS think you are above the law [also questioning admins about things:rolleyes: ] and then have audacity to say mods are on power trips deleting a few threads..jeez a powertrip is like banning 10 users all at 1 time!

[slimothy]

my appologies, this is gone off track, and ic edited his post to not talk about me in the myadsl irc channel but to talk about a business venture i have and question my credibility in handling matters

ok 2 things, I was just bringing up the st3ves post not because im trolling but to point out this rule will NEVER be properly enforced, st3ve i saw you link to maddox's site in your sig, that probably means we have somethign in common, and i was playing around, i dont actually think your post violates any ettiquete, however i just wanted to show if you follow the rule to the letter it will stop a bunch of usefull posts such as yours

ic, read the thread knobhead, I dont handle anybodies bank or cc information, you're just going off at any thing ive done now because you're angry i called you a **** in that other thread, but this is sort of why i think you're a ****, so what, i call you **** and you come here to call me a troll (Oh noes, not a troll!!!, yeah lack of creativity there mate), then ask how i became an op in #myadsl and question my business ventures.

its just like you need any reason to go off at me, look, dude, whatever you know, i dont care enough to do this again.. so turn this into another thread about me, with pleasure, but dont direct these comments at me because im not gonna reply

this is like that thread i saw that you did that was directed at me that i only saw like 4 days after it was closed about some speed test or something, how can i make it clearer I DON'T CARE, isn't ajak the new "troll" anyways? i think you'll have better luck trying to rope him into an argument

P.S. St3ve, maddox is writing a killer book coming out feb man, after that hes gonna be HUGE:D

[slimothy]

With that kind of mentality, no-wonder mods have a "Ban" button.

I actually think the mods are very lenient on users [such as YOU, Ajax and Vio] and if i was a mod, you would have been banned a long time ago.

You [and your buddies] who ALWAYS think you are above the law [also questioning admins about things:rolleyes: ] and then have audacity to say mods are on power trips deleting a few threads..jeez a powertrip is like banning 10 users all at 1 time!
stop grouping me or anyone else who might disagree with you or myadsl policy in the same group, I HAVENT EVEN SAID I DISAGREE WITH THE RULE, i just said its not going to be enforced fairly

I dont know ajak and I only know vio because i got him his psp, thats it, you make it sound liek we're a conspiring force, I don;t know if they msg each other and work toegther or whatever but i have my own opinions and stand on my own. stop being ****s

[st3ve]

P.S. St3ve, maddox is writing a killer book coming out feb man, after that hes gonna be HUGE:D

Really? Now there's something to look forward to:)

[jjtoymachine]

so if i get a nice little email from a friend at telkom discussing and proving the bisexual sex lives of telkoms CEOs i will not be able to post it??? :(

[MaD]

so if i get a nice little email from a friend at telkom discussing and proving the bisexual sex lives of telkoms CEOs i will not be able to post it??? :(
let's not be hasty now :)

[TheRoDent]

slimothy
Banned


About fscking time.

[Vio]

With that kind of mentality, no-wonder mods have a "Ban" button.

I actually think the mods are very lenient on users [such as YOU, Ajax and Vio] and if i was a mod, you would have been banned a long time ago.

You [and your buddies] who ALWAYS think you are above the law [also questioning admins about things:rolleyes: ] and then have audacity to say mods are on power trips deleting a few threads..jeez a powertrip is like banning 10 users all at 1 time!

LOL why the hell would I have been banned?

[MaryJane]

LOL why the hell would I have been banned?
I am also a little confused Vio.

Has slimothy been banned permanently?

[antowan]

Yes.

[AntiThesis]

ic, read the thread knobhead, I dont handle anybodies bank or cc information, you're just going off at any thing ive done now because you're angry i called you a **** in that other thread, but this is sort of why i think you're a ****, so what, i call you **** and you come here to call me a troll (Oh noes, not a troll!!!, yeah lack of creativity there mate), then ask how i became an op in #myadsl and question my business ventures.


Perhaps something to do with that... *shrug*

[AntiThesis]

Aaah. Fair enough I spose

[jarr]

Yes.whoa, you mean "yes, he was banned permanently"?! :eek:

[craigsa]

Is slim banned ?

[Jarrod]

U mean the nick slimothy was banned. nothing stops him from registering a new nick.

[AntiThesis]

interesting nick :D

[kingmonty]

of course one has to wonder if $****** == $slimothy :D

[TheRoDent]

******
Banned

Finito.

[Chris]

****** is banned....but he's online?

[fishfly]

serious? how he get banned?

[ghoti]

hey, i want him back... this thread was making me laugh so much... omg

[stepper]

serious? how he get banned?
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=319699#post319699

[fishfly]

wow interetsing... topic... oh well

[craigsa]

Dont get it. If you are banned how can you still post ?

[Crash]

6 pages of..... BS.
I give up on this forum.

[antowan]

This thread is now closed.

[bwana]

Addendum: A forum member who disregards another forum member's right to anonymity by posting personal details that would lead to their identification, without permission, will receive a similar ban.