View Full Version : "When racists defend racists" - article by Jon Qwelane
tibby.dude
10-10-2005, 01:43 PM
"Shall the day ever dawn when all the ballyhoo about the so-called "new South Africa, this rainbow nation" is finally realised and all shades of the old apartheid country be finally buried and forgotten?
I am steeling myself now for loud condemnation as a "racist" by people who, curiously, are never going to take even just a single moment to examine their own mental make-up truthfully and honestly. Just wait for it!
I wonder, judging by the lion murder trial ....."
http://www.news24.com/News24/Columnists/Jon_Qwelane/0,,2-1630-1633_1814251,00.html
Also rather interesting point of view below.
I still firmly believe the misguided notions of "reconciliation" espoused by, among others, Nelson Mandela when he left prison and archbishop Desmond Tutu, have always been the reason why some white South Africans believe they have no duty to make race relations work.
We should have had Nuremberg trials immediately after the end of apartheid, and levelled the playing fields once and for all.
As it is, we have the ridiculous situation where one Eugene de Kock is in C-Max for life for the murders he committed, while his superiors who gave the orders and for whom he murdered, are free men enjoying hefty state pensions.
Well, then Nelson Mandela, Jacob Zuma and all the people from MK would have had to be included in the trials for all the 'eliminations' they commited.
louisp
10-10-2005, 01:56 PM
The reason for not having fair trials is because if fair trials were held, more than half of the cabinet would also be behind bars.
The war went both ways, both parties killed and planted bombs etc.
craigsa
10-10-2005, 01:59 PM
Good posts Neio and Louisp. There are always 3 sides to every story however some people only give their side. :)
Albereth
10-10-2005, 02:04 PM
As it is, we have the ridiculous situation where one Eugene de Kock is in C-Max for life for the murders he committed, while his superiors who gave the orders and for whom he murdered, are free men enjoying hefty state pensions.
And the equally ridiculous situation where someone didn't follow orders and in an act of cowardice blew up some women at Magoo's Bar now heading the Metro police in Ekurleni. At least the De Kok monster still languishes in C-Max. The McBride coward was allowed to become a arms trafficer (I wonder if that was a misinterpreted question at the job interview - Do you have any experience in traffic control?) before taking up office in his own gravy train coach.
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:05 PM
Whats your agenda ? Maybe a stciky ? :)
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:06 PM
And the equally ridiculous situation where someone didn't follow orders and in an act of cowardice blew up some women at Magoo's Bar now heading the Metro police in Ekurleni. At least the De Kok monster still languishes in C-Max. The McBride coward was allowed to become a arms trafficer (I wonder if that was a misinterpreted question at the job interview - Do you have any experience in traffic control?) before taking up office in his own gravy train coach.
ROFL:)
O/T
Ajak, please use a few comma's, writing without it gives me a headache.
Back to Topic.
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:08 PM
No more coins, Game over !!
tibby.dude
10-10-2005, 02:17 PM
And the equally ridiculous situation where someone didn't follow orders and in an act of cowardice blew up some women at Magoo's Bar now heading the Metro police in Ekurleni. At least the De Kok monster still languishes in C-Max. The McBride coward was allowed to become a arms trafficer (I wonder if that was a misinterpreted question at the job interview - Do you have any experience in traffic control?) before taking up office in his own gravy train coach.
FYI Robert McBride was granted amnesty by FW De Klerk along with Barend Strydom.
Also 80% of the people who applied for amnesty of the TRC (Robert McBride re-applied) was black.
Very interesting ain't it fellas ... so where was the rest ???.
So before hauling out good old Robert McBride as an argument you can perhaps explain the above skewed statistic to me
Well fellas ... I rest my case.
tibby.dude
10-10-2005, 02:18 PM
No more coins, Game over !!
Checkmate :).
LethalChicken
10-10-2005, 02:27 PM
Tibby, I understand your point of the eye-for-eye justice and I understand your frustration with the members of this mostly white forum.
I have a problem with you bringing up the Nuremberg Trials. Being From Eastern Europe (Poland) I have studied that history in school and have 1st hand experiences talking with people who survived WW2 (grandparents etc.)
So please do not confuse these two events in any way. To do so would not put you in a favourable light amongst the history-aware.
And on a personal note, why do you do this to yourself, why do you bring up all the racial issues in all your posts. Just accept the viewpoint of the majority of the forum members will not agree with yours. If it does not suit you then move on or don't bring it up any more.
have you even posted anything ADSL related in the last few months?
This is not a PoliticalOutbursts.co.za this is myadsl.co.za
Please do not take my post as an act of agression against you but as an expression of concern towards the wellbeing of this forum.
And to end of with something really cheezy, and even though he was very white:
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:33 PM
Tibby so what about Mandela ? Didnt he order killings ? What about many others in the GVT ?
Ag siestog <censored/> ... is my bek te veel vir jou om te handle ???.
That's a bit low, using racial epiphet's.
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:40 PM
Tibby likes to name call when he is wrong.
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:49 PM
What the hell is a klonkie anyway ? Seems only people who use that term know what it is ????
LethalChicken
10-10-2005, 02:49 PM
Anybody want to translate klonkie to those of us who are Afrikaans challanged
tibby.dude
10-10-2005, 02:50 PM
That's a bit low, using racial epiphet's.
Huh -- it means a small boy.
Kalvaer
10-10-2005, 02:51 PM
FYI Robert McBride was granted amnesty by FW De Klerk along with Barend Strydom.
Also 80% of the people who applied for amnesty of the TRC (Robert McBride re-applied) was black.
Very interesting ain't it fellas ... so where was the rest ???.
So before hauling out good old Robert McBride as an argument you can perhaps explain the above skewed statistic to me
Well fellas ... I rest my case.I dont get that? What am I missing? Are you stating that only 30% of the people who filed for amnesty where white, and that they are cowards and did not admit what they did wrong?
Or that because 80% of the people who filed where black that they are more to blame since more of them where involved in criminal actions,
Ie 80% of the criminals are black and 30% white.. That seems like a racist allegation to me? I never did well at Stats at school? I'm lost?
Huh -- it means a small boy.
Who is coloured.
tibby.dude
10-10-2005, 02:52 PM
What the hell is a klonkie anyway ? Seems only people who use that term know what it is ????
I was called that by my dad when I was a little kid -- it means a small boy.
dominic
10-10-2005, 02:53 PM
Just accept the viewpoint of the majority of the forum members will not agree with yours. If it does not suit you then move on or don't bring it up any more.can't let that pass...there is obviously a very vocal minority which does not equate with a majority view
being tarred with that brush has made me seriously consider my participation
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:54 PM
Tibby thats rather racist towards coloured people. I am shocked. :)
craigsa
10-10-2005, 02:56 PM
can't let that pass...there is obviously a very vocal minority which does not equate with a majority view
being tarred with that brush has made me seriously consider my participation
?? If you have something to say please fell free to say it. No one is saying you cannot post what you feel. I think the majority view has got nothing to do with it. If you have something to say then say it. :)
dominic
10-10-2005, 03:01 PM
?? If you have something to say please fell free to say it. No one is saying you cannot post what you feel. I think the majority view has got nothing to do with it. If you have something to say then say it. :)feelings, nothing more than feelings
craigsa - i am not shy and have posted what i wanted to post...viz. that the majority political leaning on this forum is probably better classified as apathetic as opposed to militant conservative..i do not share your political views and do not want to be viewed by association as sharing them. simple.
cheers
craigsa
10-10-2005, 03:06 PM
Yeah i hear you. We are all entitled to our views and opinions. Dont feel like you are grouped with others who dont share your views.
Craig
:):)
nocilah
10-10-2005, 03:41 PM
why is disliking anc and the current goverment policies racist? always wondered that.
A funny thing is happening post in support of (and in the view of the “traffic” controllers, not acceptable to their new democratic South Africa (me thinks) gets deleted, or am I wrong? If and only if that is so…good luck to you…the future is bright.(O and the “lock’s) he he
craigsa
10-10-2005, 03:46 PM
why is disliking anc and the current goverment policies racist? always wondered that.
Exactly. The answer is that the race card is the ony way to justify their outbursts.
ettubrute
11-10-2005, 11:44 AM
Good posts Neio and Louisp. There are always 3 sides to every story however some people only give their side. :)
Love this! Your side, my side, and the truth! Haven't heard this in a long time, but it's sooo true! :)