Gay people are a curse

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I was reading this (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/290425-Lesbian-woman-burnt-to-death-in-Natal.) and it reminded me of something that happened during the week, theres this guy who works in the mall who is gay and a few days ago he decided to wear earrings to work. So i was sitting outside busy on my phone waiting for my colleague to arrive and i start hear the security guards clicking their tongues (like people do when they're angry) and making "ah ah ah" sounds to each other, i ask our guard whats going on and he says "look at this fscking stubbarn*(sp), he's wearing earings", so im like :erm: "why is it bothering you?" the guard says "He's a fscking curse!" so im still like :wtf::wtf: "how is he a curse?" and apparently "god made him a man to love a woman and by disobeying god he is a curse"

This is obviously the mindset of a few backwards people but was interesting to watch all their reactions as if they were kryptonians and he was kryptonite

[adrianx]

I remember a few years back, buying ice cream and getting a lecture from one of these "car guard philosophers" about how only children and women eat ice cream. Pity they are allowed to vote! :sick:

[seventhson]

I hate these *******s that have to much to say. I was told by some drunk that my shirt was made by satan. Then I said how do you know? He said he can sense it. Then I told him but satan is a great man. he gave me a free shirt. And he was like:erm::eek:

[copacetic]

The world is full of idiots.

Anyway, I thought we were all made in god's image? :confused:

[phenom]

View the African Map on LGBT laws, it is outlawed in EVERY african nation besides ours(where 95% of people disagree with mere same-sex relationships (could back this up)), with some the punishment is years/decades of imprisonment, others it is death. Same as what Hitler has done.

This is a very serious concern of our time.

[Helghast]

It's just mind boggling some of the things mankind makes up.

[JCSM]

The world is full of idiots.

I thought we were all made in god's image? :confused:

Exactly why He does not make people gay...

But cursed? Definitely not

[The_Pumpkin_King]

What makes people gay then?

[phenom]

Why does it matter who makes people gay, if it is mother nature or if it is their own choice, and if it doesn't physically hurt any non-gay people if it say was their choice, then people should have no reason to complain but their own idiocy/sadism.

These people should shut up, they have no right to address the solely subjective.

This is not pop idols, this is peoples rights and freedoms, to be or eat or listen to whatever music they want to, as long as it doesn't hurt any othes not taking part in their own personal activity, same applies to everything.

[JCSM]

What makes people gay then?

This is going off topic.... and I'm not allowed to answer that question in my view in any case. :(

[adrianx]

This is going off topic.... and I'm not allowed to answer that question in my view in any case. :(

I'm glad! :twisted:

[JCSM]

This is not pop idols, this is peoples rights and freedoms, to be or eat or listen to whatever music they want to, as long as it doesn't hurt any othes not taking part in their own personal activity, same applies to everything.

I don't say gay people dont have the right to be gay . . . by constitutional law they have EVERY right. But under the same constitution I don't have to like/agree with it.

[FoRmFacTor]

Exactly why He does not make people gay...

But cursed? Definitely not


If you were not "allowed", why did you post in the first place?

You have made your views pretty clear already.

[phenom]

I don't say gay people dont have the right to be gay . . . by constitutional law they have EVERY right. But under the same constitution I don't have to like/agree with it.No, you may not like it, however you HAVE to agree with it.

We are not all the same, we do not like and do the same things, fact of life, however we are all born equal in dignity, also a fact of life, so as long as it doesn't physically attack you, you have no right to say that you "don't agree", same way in which one would not have hte right to say that they "don't agree" with you being black or of jewish genetics or driving a mazda.

[FoRmFacTor]

I don't say gay people dont have the right to be gay . . . by constitutional law they have EVERY right. But under the same constitution I don't have to like/agree with it.

I agree, everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

Just keep it to yourself when you have absolutely no insight on the topic...

[mass09]

The car guard's mom must be proud.

[j4ck455]

What makes people gay then?

Gay people come from Mercury (the planet).

[JCSM]

No, you may not like it, however you HAVE to agree with it.

We are not all the same, we do not like and do the same things, fact of life, however we are all born equal in dignity, also a fact of life, so as long as it doesn't physically attack you, you have no right to say that you "don't agree", same way in which one would not have hte right to say that they "don't agree" with you being black or of jewish genetics or driving a mazda.

Ok, let me phrase it differently. I don't agree that it's right to be gay in the same way that it's not right to be a murderer, simply because I believe being gay is a choice and it's, like the one poster said, "sick". If you mean "agree" in the same light as "accepting" the person, then yes I will accept the person e.g. in the workplace by not treating him/her differently for being gay.

[seventhson]

Oc is going to start a war on straight people:p

[JCSM]

I agree, everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

Just keep it to yourself when you have absolutely no insight on the topic...

What makes you so certain that you have 100% insight on the topic?

[phenom]

Ok, let me phrase it differently. I don't agree that it's right to be gay in the same way that it's not right to be a murderer, simply because I believe being gay is a choice and it's, like the one poster said, "sick". If you mean "agree" in the same light as "accepting" the person, then yes I will accept the person e.g. in the workplace by not treating him/her differently for being gay.Well of course it is not a right to be a murderer, murderers infringe the rights of others, gay people don't. Is it "sick" for people to drive in blue cars too(i don't like blue cars)? I don't really like mayonnaise either, however I won't lable a person as 'sick' for eating mayonnaise. I am not really attracted to short people or fat people either, neither old people, should I consider them 'sick' too? What about the people with the pointy ears, not really attracted to them either, should we label this as a crime too?

And from an aspect of mother nature and natural selection, there is absolutely nothing 'sick' about being gay, it is a functional and integrate part of nature. Happens across all species and it is regulated as more prominent in certain onse too(ie bonobos), through this we know that mother nature is not only favouring it, but has control of it's presence too, and as such, if it had reasoned it as an ill it would have gotten rid of it many millions of years ago already.

The Nazis done the same, everything that did not support hitlers subjective desire, had to be killed, do you really think that the world would have been better off if everyone had been German and looked the way hitler wanted them to(even if we didn't become mutant inbred like his understanding lead many to]).

[porchrat]

What makes you so certain that you have 100% insight on the topic?

Common sense... physical evidence... an appreciation of human rights. The list goes on. Maybe not 100% but definitely more than you.

[Picard]

I approve of this.

http://www.profilebrand.com/graphics/category/gay-lesbian-pride/3175_lesbian-girls-kissing.jpg
http://img.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/05/01/couple,kissing,lesbian,sexy,b,w,kiss-fab05eb66d79a6d41c364b2a00d1fd4f_h.jpg

[nihilist]

I approve of this.

RAS! :mad:

(there's no cup)

[copacetic]

http://jeffpearlman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Men-Kissing2.jpg

Are you approve of this Picard?

[JCSM]

http://jeffpearlman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Men-Kissing2.jpg

Are you approve of this Picard?

And this looks right/normal? Nauseating. . . . uh puke on the way . .. . im outa here!!!!!!!!!!!

[D34M0n7]

simply because I believe being gay is a choice.

Well, it's not.

You can believe that penguins can fly to the moon, but does that mean they do?

Your belief = Nothing more than a stinking load of BS.

People like you are part of the problem, part of the reason why lesbian and gay people are alienated!

[JCSM]

Well, it's not.

You can believe that penguins can fly to the moon, but does that mean they do?

Your belief = Nothing more than a stinking load of BS.

People like you are part of the problem, part of the reason why lesbian and gay people are alienated!


Def : A sex organ, or primary sexual characteristic, as narrowly defined, is any of the anatomical parts of the body which are involved in sexual reproduction and constitute the reproductive system in a complex organism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_organ

Is the anal cavity a sex organ by this definition? Is it involved in reproduction or does it only make donations to the sewage system?

The lesbians are even worse - they cant even penetrate on their own. External devices is needed!!! For heaven sakes , where does MOTHER NATURE fit into this?????

[porchrat]

Def : A sex organ, or primary sexual characteristic, as narrowly defined, is any of the anatomical parts of the body which are involved in sexual reproduction and constitute the reproductive system in a complex organism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_organ

Is the anal cavity a sex organ by this definition? Is it involved in reproduction or does it only make donations to the sewage system?

Wow folks that is some conclusive and logical stuff right there... I mean... he has a WIKIPEDIA article and everything!

The anus isn't a reproductive organ therefore gay people are EVIL!!!!!!!!1!!!!ZOMG!!!! Sexual activity is only for reproduction!!!!!!!!1!!!!!ZOMG!!!!! PRAISE JESUS *falls on the floor and begins convulsing whilst foaming at the mouth*

Seriously dude what are you smoking?

I reckon we should all post images of gay people kissing until JCSM leaves. Maybe make the images our signatures.

[D34M0n7]

Def : A sex organ, or primary sexual characteristic, as narrowly defined, is any of the anatomical parts of the body which are involved in sexual reproduction and constitute the reproductive system in a complex organism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_organ

Is the anal cavity a sex organ by this definition? Is it involved in reproduction or does it only make donations to the sewage system?

The lesbians are even worse - they cant even penetrate on their own. External devices is needed!!! For heaven sakes , where does MOTHER NATURE fit into this?????

Are you so narrow minded that you think they are in it just for the sex??? And just because they can't conceive or have to use external devices (eg hands) they are abnormalities...

And you think two people of the same sex cant get jiggy without being homosexual?

If a man is attracted to a man, or a woman to a woman it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another women then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice.

It is the gender you are attracted to that decides your sexuality. A gay man can easily bed a woman, but would that make him heterosexual? No, it would not. The fact remains that he is attracted to men.

You define homosexual people being 'unnatural' by subjecting them to your own criteria. Yet you could not be more wrong, homosexual people are quite natural. This has been proven time and time again, its not only their genitalia that count.

[FoRmFacTor]

What makes you so certain that you have 100% insight on the topic?

I never said i did.

But, from my point of view i am assuming you are not gay.

Hence, you have no idea what it is like and have no right or insight to make assumptions on it

Its like passing judgment on rocket scientists when you studied flower arranging.

[FoRmFacTor]

JCSM

I respect your opinion.

I dont agree with it, but i respect it.

However, when you use phrases like "nauseating" and "puke on the way" it just shows you to be a bigot.

Do you think that is right? Passing judgment on others? Calling people "sick" or not normal?

What if i said the thought of you with a woman is sickening and nauseating?

Or that your children want to make me "puke" when i look at them?

How would you feel?

Words hurt.

Being gay is not a choice and God does not make mistakes.

[JCSM]

Are you so narrow minded that you think they are in it just for the sex???

What you're describing (without sex), is a friendship(unless they kiss of course) . I've got a very close male friend - does that make me gay? No.

The fact that the "sex" in a gay relationship is so unnatural, makes that relationship unnatural.



If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another women then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice.

The feeling is not a choice, given . Acting on it and pursuing it is .
Surely you've felt before like you could just kill a person, like me e.g., but do you do it?

[porchrat]

What you're describing (without sex), is a friendship(unless they kiss of course) . I've got a very close male friend - does that make me gay? No.

The fact that the "sex" in a gay relationship is so unnatural, makes that relationship unnatural.
How is it unnatural? It happens in nature all the time. That is the very definition of natural.

You're sitting there using a computer telling us that it is bad because it is unnatural... oh the irony! You haven't discarded that computer for being unnatural you hypocrite.



The feeling is not a choice, given . Acting on it and pursuing it is .
Surely you've felt before like you could just kill a person, like me e.g., but do you do it?
Ah he admits that people are born gay. So big g creates people gay and then punishes them for it. Nicely done Jehovah.

EDIT: as a side note I feel I need to direct everyone's attention to this post in another recent thread (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/290425-Lesbian-woman-burnt-to-death-in-Natal.?p=5175551&viewfull=1#post5175551) where JCSM regales us with a tale of how he once assaulted a man for offering him a blowjob (apparently it involved repeated punches to the face resulting in some disfigurement). Take a look for yourselves. I'm totally shocked by the lack of remorse shown by this guy. Just so we all know who we're dealing with here.

[joebloe]

JCSM

I respect your opinion.

I dont agree with it, but i respect it.

However, when you use phrases like "nauseating" and "puke on the way" it just shows you to be a bigot.

Do you think that is right? Passing judgment on others? Calling people "sick" or not normal?

What if i said the thought of you with a woman is sickening and nauseating?

Or that your children want to make me "puke" when i look at them?

How would you feel?

Words hurt.

Being gay is not a choice and God does not make mistakes.


it annoys me when people drag God into this issue, God gave us free will, it has nothing to do with God when humans choose to be homosexual, the bible however makes it clear what Gods stance on homosexuality is.

[porchrat]

it annoys me when people drag God into this issue, God gave us free will, it has nothing to do with God when humans choose to be homosexual, the bible however makes it clear what Gods stance on homosexuality is.

So you choose which women you're attracted to then?... it is a conscious decision?

[JCSM]

Ah he admits that people are born gay. So big g creates people gay and then punishes them for it. Nicely done Jehovah.

No silly!! I'm not allowed to say what I want .... but as an example
I've heard married woman say, "that woman is attractive", but they don't act on it!!

[D34M0n7]

The feeling is not a choice, given . Acting on it and pursuing it is .

In such a case acting in the feeling is the most natural thing the person can do, regarding the subject of course. A gay man going down on a woman could be considered unnatural as his orientation is directed towards men, not woman.

Once again, sex does not define a relationship, it is merely a peripheral of the relationship.

A man can have sex with another man, without being gay.

Its all depends on who you are attracted to...

There is proof of this, I will write about it but just keep in mind its been a few years since I read the article, so I may have the nationalities wrong.

During the early to mid 1900's the Russian (could have been german) navy decided that it would be within its best interest to remove all homosexual men from its ranks.
However they had no way of proving if a man was homosexual or not.
They hired a scientist/doctor to perfect a method by which they could conclusively prove that a man was/was not homosexual.

This scientist/doctor devised a brilliant, yet simple means of detection.

He incorporated a device used in optometry and images of nude men and nude woman.

The man being investigated would stare into the machine (like the one you look into when you are having your eyes tested) and the tester would look through the other end. And image of either a nude man or nude woman would be shown. The tester would be able to see any change in diameter of the mans pupils. A change would be evident when arousal occurred, for men that showed arousal when nude images of the same sex were shown dismissal awaited.

We have far better equipment these days, such as cat scans. Which further Prove this.

You don't choose which picture you react to. You don't choose which gender you prefer.

[porchrat]

No silly!! I'm not allowed to say what I want .... but as an example
I've heard married woman say, "that woman is attractive", but they don't act on it!!

You've already told me about how you beat a gay man to a pulp for offering you a blowjob. I really don't want to hear more hate from you thanks.

There is a difference between acknowledging that someone looks good and actually being attracted to them. Are you telling me you have never looked at a man and recognised that he is a good-looking man whilst actually not being attracted to him? Even more apt: have you never been able to do this with a women? Recognise that she looks good without actually being attracted to her? (after all she could have the personality of a brick).

You're clutching at straws now.

[nihilist]

it annoys me when people drag God into this issue, God gave us free will, it has nothing to do with God when humans choose to be homosexual, the bible however makes it clear what Gods stance on homosexuality is.

The choice issue is a fallacy, do you choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? You may argue that it's a choice to have an active relationship with a member of the same sex, but I hardly think any gay person says, "Gee, let me find people of the same sex as me as attractive."

As for the religious aspect, which I entirely don't agree with, God also condoned slavery and many other horrific acts which mankind has done away with, surely if one is arguing God's stance on this matter they should also be in a position that slavery and other things are OK.

[nihilist]

No silly!! I'm not allowed to say what I want .... but as an example
I've heard married woman say, "that woman is attractive", but they don't act on it!!

What do you think is the biggest wrong here:

1. Two same sex partners having a meaningful and loving relationship.
2. Someone who has absolutely no attraction to the opposite sex remaining single all their life, never experiencing love, companionship?

[FoRmFacTor]

it annoys me when people drag God into this issue, God gave us free will, it has nothing to do with God when humans choose to be homosexual, the bible however makes it clear what Gods stance on homosexuality is.

It annoys me when people assume being gay is a choice.

Did you choose to be straight?

[FoRmFacTor]

@JCSM

Did you really beat someone because they were gay?

[porchrat]

It annoys me when people assume being gay is a choice.

Did you choose to be straight?

I have to agree. I have known many gay and lesbian people in my time and none of them have ever said that it was an easy road. All of them have said that while they aren't ashamed of who they are they would have had far easier lives had they been born straight. Heck one of my friends was forced from her home by her father around the age of 16 for admitting that she was lesbian.

Why would someone CHOOSE to be gay? To single themselves out and open themselves up to the possibility of being persecuted at the hands of violent bigots all over the world? Why would anyone choose that? It's like choosing to drive nails through your toes. You're born gay and nobody should be judging you for it.

[FoRmFacTor]

I have to agree. I have known many gay and lesbian people in my time and none of them have ever said that it was an easy road. All of them have said that while they aren't ashamed of who they are they would have had far easier lives had they been born straight. Heck one of my friends was forced from her home by her father around the age of 16 for admitting that she was lesbian.

Why would someone CHOOSE to be gay? To single themselves out and open themselves up to the possibility of being persecuted at the hands of violent bigots all over the world? Why would anyone choose that? It's like choosing to drive nails through your toes. You're born gay and nobody should be judging you for it.

Very true.

I also think that attraction to certain things is so deep routed and programmed that we cannot change it.

It is just how you are.

[porchrat]

@JCSM

Did you really beat someone because they were gay?

Well he says he beat the guy for offering him a blowjob and not for being gay (:confused:). Look for yourself: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/290425-Lesbian-woman-burnt-to-death-in-Natal.?p=5175551&viewfull=1#post5175551

It makes me angry just thinking about it. I hope the dude is lying. I truly do. I hate to think there are people capable of doing that to other people.

[news24]

Are you so narrow minded that you think they are in it just for the sex??? And just because they can't conceive or have to use external devices (eg hands) they are abnormalities...

And you think two people of the same sex cant get jiggy without being homosexual?

If a man is attracted to a man, or a woman to a woman it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another women then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice.

It is the gender you are attracted to that decides your sexuality. A gay man can easily bed a woman, but would that make him heterosexual? No, it would not. The fact remains that he is attracted to men.

You define homosexual people being 'unnatural' by subjecting them to your own criteria. Yet you could not be more wrong, homosexual people are quite natural. This has been proven time and time again, its not only their genitalia that count.

Now let's have a twist, :D

"If a man is attracted to a child, or a woman to a child it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another child then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a bull, or a woman to a heifer it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another heifer then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a cock, or a woman to a hen it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another hen then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a car, or a woman to a car it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another car then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice." (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits-having-sex-with-1000-cars.html)

I think that I'm done for now. :D

[phenom]

Point is that homosexuality DOES NOT INFRINGE THE RIGHTS OF AN OTHER, NEITHER THE PARTNER.

When an adult is attracted to a child, and actually goes to have sex with the child, well then it is a crime as it infringes the rights of the child.

Same does not apply when two adults or people of similar age have consensual sex with one another.

[news24]

Point is that homosexuality DOES NOT INFRINGE THE RIGHTS OF AN OTHER, NEITHER THE PARTNER.

When an adult is attracted to a child, and actually goes to have sex with the child, well then it is a crime as it infringes the rights of the child.

Same does not apply when two adults or people of similar age have consensual sex with one another.

Those rights that your talking about, who wrote them, are they natural?

[D34M0n7]

Those rights that your talking about, who wrote them, are they natural?

Are you having a laugh? :confused:

[FoRmFacTor]

Now let's have a twist, :D

"If a man is attracted to a child, or a woman to a child it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another child then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a bull, or a woman to a heifer it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another heifer then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a cock, or a woman to a hen it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another hen then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a car, or a woman to a car it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another car then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice." (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits-having-sex-with-1000-cars.html)

I think that I'm done for now. :D

Why do you associate homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality?

That is a pretty ignorant comparison.

[FoRmFacTor]

News24:

When you were born, did you choose to become straight?

This whole assumption of "Sorry, i know you are naturally attracted to the same sex ,but, you cant act on it or furfull any desires because it is wrong. I can though, because i am "normal"" is so bigoted and played out.

Imagine if there was a shift and people thought sleeping with opposite sexes was wrong? Would you stop? Would you not find someone to love purposefully because it was "wrong"?

I don't think you would.

It is very hypocritical to say that people must not act on their natural urges...

[phenom]

Those rights that your talking about, who wrote them, are they natural?Yes, in the very same way as physics is natural. We need and form ethics


Ethics is not a mystic fantasy—nor a social convention—nor a dispensable, subjective luxury, to be switched or discarded in any emergency. Ethics is an objective, metaphysical necessity of man’s survival—not by the grace of the supernatural nor of your neighbors nor of your whims, but by the grace of reality and the nature of life. - Ayn Rand


A “right” is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context. There is only one fundamental right (all the others are its consequences or corollaries): a man’s right to his own life. Life is a process of self- sustaining and self-generated action; the right to life means the right to engage in self-sustaining and self-generated action-which means: the freedom to take all the actions required by the nature of a rational being for the support, the furtherance, the fulfillment and the enjoyment of his own life. (Such is the meaning of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.) - Ayn Rand


... then there are the law theorems which lead to these rights. even so, they work(the child should know, same logic applies to misleading advertising being illegal, the child has a right to protect itself and it can't protect him/herself if they are left open vulnerable to being mislead), you won't chose to move to Somalia now would you?

[porchrat]

Now let's have a twist, :D

"If a man is attracted to a child, or a woman to a child it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another child then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a bull, or a woman to a heifer it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another heifer then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a cock, or a woman to a hen it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another hen then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice."

"If a man is attracted to a car, or a woman to a car it is not a choice. Just the same for men who are attracted to woman, and woman who are attracted to men.

If a woman falls in love (or becomes infatuated) with another car then would you describe this as a choice? It would be a choice to act upon these feelings, but having those feelings is far from any possible choice." (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits-having-sex-with-1000-cars.html)

I think that I'm done for now. :D

Show me the child, bull, car, cock or hen that can give informed consent and you will have a point. Until then... yes you're definitely done.

[news24]

Show me the child, bull, car, cock or hen that can give informed consent and you will have a point. Until then... yes you're definitely done.

define "informed consent"

[news24]

Show me the child, bull, car, cock or hen that can give informed consent and you will have a point. Until then... yes you're definitely done.

You should really consider reading "Paidika: the Journal of Paedophilia 1 (2, (Autumn 1987), p. 35-4" by Dr. Frits Bernard. Here is an excerpt

Heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and paedophilia should be considered equally valuable forms of human behavior.

Another Research Article by Kirk Patrick "The Evolution of Human Homosexual Behavior" published in Current Anthropology journal


There is no evidence that same-sex sexual acts per se
are under direct selective pressure any more than is masturbation,
anal sex, bestiality, pedophilia, vaginal entry
from the front or rear, or any other sexual practice. Sexual
desire, arousal, orgasm (especially in men), and male
ejaculation, all basic mammalian capacities, are selectively
maintained through production of offspring.


In some countries, such as Denmark, bestiality is not outlawed. countries such as Belgium, Germany, and Russia are somewhere in between: they permit sexual activity with animals, but prohibit the promotion of animal-oriented pornography

[Randhir]

You get gay animals. How then does God condemn them for making a choice when in fact he deems them beasts with no higher cognitive function?

[Randhir]

define "informed consent"

I think you should. If you don't understand the meaning, then you're an idiot. However, from your posts, you seem an intelligent chap, so you're either posting to stimulate debate, or you actually believe that pedophilia can be equated to homosexuality, and are just pulling a Clinton with the above question, which is your version of asking what the definition of 'is' is.

[news24]

You get gay animals. How then does God condemn them for making a choice when in fact he deems them beasts with no higher cognitive function?

Where do you get gay animals? Don't confuse mental deficiency with what's normal.

[news24]

I think you should. If you don't understand the meaning, then you're an idiot. However, from your posts, you seem an intelligent chap, so you're either posting to stimulate debate, or you actually believe that pedophilia can be equated to homosexuality, and are just pulling a Clinton with the above question, which is your version of asking what the definition of 'is' is.

Your definition of something might not be the same as mine, nonetheless, I don't have anything against gays, infact I do get aroused if I watch homosexual pornography, but the reasons that they usually come up with to justify their existence, can be used to justify bestiality, sex with cars, even pedophilia.

I would never be friends with Gays or Lesbians

[Randhir]

Where do you get gay animals? Don't confuse mental deficiency with what's normal.


Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual, bisexual and transgender behavior in animals. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex animals. A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.[1][2] Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species. The motivations for and implications of these behaviors have yet to be fully understood, since most species have yet to be fully studied.[3] According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity — including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex — than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept."[4] Current research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5] A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexuality is best known from social species.

For easy perusal, there's always wikipedia. There is a ton more research out there, Google is your friend.

As for your 'mental deficiency' comment, I'd love to know what you mean. Your ignorance on this matter just proves that people are just scared of what they don't understand, and normally, bigots don't understand a lot.

[copacetic]

Your definition of something might not be the same as mine, nonetheless, I don't have anything against gays, infact I do get aroused if I watch homosexual pornography, but the reasons that they usually come up with to justify their existence, can be used to justify bestiality, sex with cars, even pedophilia.

I would never be friends with Gays or Lesbians

Wut?

*edit*

I haven't been following this argument, but I have to say, you have some ****ing weird notions rolling around in your head sir.

[Randhir]

Your definition of something might not be the same as mine

And yet you, again, decline from posting your definition of it. Interesting.


Your definition of something might not be the same as mine, nonetheless, I don't have anything against gays, infact I do get aroused if I watch homosexual pornography, but the reasons that they usually come up with to justify their existence, can be used to justify bestiality, sex with cars, even pedophilia.


Firstly, they do not need to justify their existence. If you do think they do, who do they need to justify it to exactly? You?

Secondly, the other forms of attraction you posted are illegal if acted upon (sex with cars excluded, of course). Sex between two consenting adults is not.



I would never be friends with Gays or Lesbians

I'm sure they're devasted by the loss.

[news24]

I'm sure they're devasted by the loss.

Maybe, I find them highly arousing, I will probably see them as sex toys. If I had a gay friend(OMG I wish I did :D) I'd probably say "Dude can you please blow me". if I had a lesbian friend I would probably nag her to allow me to come and watch her going down on her SO. :D

[TowerGuru]

I do get aroused if I watch homosexual pornography...

Ah. Makes sense now. Its okay maybe one day you will be able to accept yourself and stop directing your hate for yourself at other people. God loves you still.

[JCSM]

It is very hypocritical to say that people must not act on their natural urges...

Interesting! This is the core message from Anton LaVey in the Satanic bible!!! Have an urge? - fulfill it!
And pls . . . before you guys jump to any conclusions, I'm not saying now that gays are practicing satanists.

[JCSM]

There is hope

http://www.gaytostraight.org/about_us0.aspx

There is no compelling evidence that anyone is determined from birth to have same-sex attraction (SSA).

There is no conclusive scientific data that proves there is a simple biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Scientific research indicates that although biological and genetic factors may play a part, homosexual desires stem from the complex interaction of psychological, environmental and temperamental influences.


No one simply chooses to have SSA.
These desires are very often the result of unresolved childhood wounds and unmet love needs. Choice is clearly involved in the decision whether or not to act on the desires.


Factors for going gay... about 33 of them

1. Heredity

* Unresolved family issues
* Misperceptions
* Predilection for rejection

2. Temperament

* Hypersensitivity
* Artistic nature
* Gender nonconforming behaviors

3. Hetero-Emotional Wounds

* Over attachment to opposite-sex parent
* Imitation of opposite-sex behavior
* Neglect or Abuse

4. Homo-Emotional Wounds

* Detachment from same-gender parent
* Abuse: verbal, mental, emotional, sexual, physical
* Neglect

5. Sibling Wounds/Family Dynamics

* Name calling
* Put-downs
* Abuse

6. Body Image Wounds

* Skinnier/Larger‑Shorter/Taller
* Lack of eye-hand coordination
* Late bloomer
* Physical disabilities

7. Sexual Abuse

* Homosexual imprinting
* Learned and reinforced behaviors
* Substitute for affection and love

8. Homo-Social/Peer Wounds

* Teacher’s pet
* Non-athletic
* Boys: no rough and tumble
* Girls: too much rough and tumble
* Name calling

9. Cultural Wounds

* Internet, media, and educational system promote homosexuality
* Pornography

10. Other Factors

* Divorce
* Death of a caregiver
* Adoption
* Religion

[JCSM]

http://www.gaytostraight.org/personal_testimonies0.aspx

O yes! read some of the testimonies here and be honest with yourselves (the gay individuals among you) :)

[Mephisto_Helix]

Bunch of kooks ...... I've known of people who have done similar and deny it as much as they do, they are still gay. These brainwashing 'techniques' just make gay people hate themselves.

[D34M0n7]

Don't go to a website like gaytostraight and expect to find any form of truth regarding the matter... Its obviously bias.

People don't become gay because of life experiences, this was believed a few years ago but has been dis-proven.

There is a difference that can be detected from a very early age between say a gay and a straight child.

[JCSM]

People don't become gay because of life experiences, this was believed a few years ago but has been dis-proven.

/Source

[kilobits]

Hohum...

The head of this “Foundation” is listed as Richard Cohen – who is affiliated to PFOX and Exodus — both notorious “ex-gay” orgs in the USA. And when I say notorious, I do not just mean in terms of hating gay people and trying to destroy them utterly, I mean involved in facilitating the potential pink genocide currently brewing in Uganda. Exodus was intimately involved in that nice little mess, which is still hanging in limbo… presumably until all the fuss dies down.

Who is Richard Cohen? He is a discredited psychotherapist. ” The infamous and controversial cuddling “therapist” who cradles his clients in his lap. It [Exodus] had put out a release specifically retracting its endorsement of Cohen after numerous media appearances demonstrating his bizarre techniques”

http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/05/8572/


In reality, Cohen has been kicked out of the The American Counseling Association and currently operates without any professional license or accreditation. His views on homosexuality have been discredited by every established medical organization and his ideas about gays are apparently only taken seriously by CNN bookers and producers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQH6mrOvSGI

:wtf:


http://www.gaytostraight.org/personal_testimonies0.aspx

O yes! read some of the testimonies here and be honest with yourselves (the gay individuals among you) :)

[FoRmFacTor]

Interesting! This is the core message from Anton LaVey in the Satanic bible!!! Have an urge? - fulfill it!
And pls . . . before you guys jump to any conclusions, I'm not saying now that gays are practicing satanists.

I was referring to the urge to find someone to love and have a family with.

I did not mean every single urge you have must be filled...

Did you have an urge to get married and have children? What if i told you you cant fulfill that urge because it is wrong...?

That would suck, wouldn't it.

[FoRmFacTor]

There is hope

http://www.gaytostraight.org/about_us0.aspx

There is no compelling evidence that anyone is determined from birth to have same-sex attraction (SSA).

There is no conclusive scientific data that proves there is a simple biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Scientific research indicates that although biological and genetic factors may play a part, homosexual desires stem from the complex interaction of psychological, environmental and temperamental influences.


No one simply chooses to have SSA.
These desires are very often the result of unresolved childhood wounds and unmet love needs. Choice is clearly involved in the decision whether or not to act on the desires.


Factors for going gay... about 33 of them

1. Heredity

* Unresolved family issues
* Misperceptions
* Predilection for rejection

2. Temperament

* Hypersensitivity
* Artistic nature
* Gender nonconforming behaviors

3. Hetero-Emotional Wounds

* Over attachment to opposite-sex parent
* Imitation of opposite-sex behavior
* Neglect or Abuse

4. Homo-Emotional Wounds

* Detachment from same-gender parent
* Abuse: verbal, mental, emotional, sexual, physical
* Neglect

5. Sibling Wounds/Family Dynamics

* Name calling
* Put-downs
* Abuse

6. Body Image Wounds

* Skinnier/Larger‑Shorter/Taller
* Lack of eye-hand coordination
* Late bloomer
* Physical disabilities

7. Sexual Abuse

* Homosexual imprinting
* Learned and reinforced behaviors
* Substitute for affection and love

8. Homo-Social/Peer Wounds

* Teacher’s pet
* Non-athletic
* Boys: no rough and tumble
* Girls: too much rough and tumble
* Name calling

9. Cultural Wounds

* Internet, media, and educational system promote homosexuality
* Pornography

10. Other Factors

* Divorce
* Death of a caregiver
* Adoption
* Religion

There have been studies which state that conversion therapy does not work and is actually detrimental to the person.

ex-gay is a myth.

It is like trying to change your sexual orientation from straight to gay.

I dont think you would be successful in that...

[FoRmFacTor]

@news24:

You wont be friends with a gay person but would engage in sexual acts with another man?

Hypocritical much?

[phenom]

There is hope... BS. It is biolgical:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/123271-Gay-from-nature-not-nurture.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/123170-Gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

Biological differences in gay men and lesbians
[edit] Physiological

Some studies have found correlations between physiology of people and their sexuality. These studies provide evidence which they claim suggests that:

* Gay men report, on an average, slightly longer and thicker penises than non-gay men.[48]
* Gay men and straight women have, on average, equally proportioned brain hemispheres. Lesbian women and straight men have, on average, slightly larger right brain hemispheres.[49]
* The VIP SCN nucleus of the hypothalamus is larger in men than in women, and larger in gay men than in heterosexual men.[50]
* The average size of the INAH-3 in the brains of gay men is approximately the same size as INAH 3 in women, which is significantly smaller, and the cells more densely packed, than in heterosexual men's brains.[28]
* The anterior commissure is larger in women than men and was reported to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[27] but a subsequent study found no such difference.[51]
* Gay men's brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.[52]
* The functioning of the inner ear and the central auditory system in lesbians and bisexual women are more like the functional properties found in men than in non-gay women (the researchers argued this finding was consistent with the prenatal hormonal theory of sexual orientation).[53]
* The suprachiasmatic nucleus was found by Swaab and Hopffman to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[54] the suprachiasmatic nucleus is also known to be larger in men than in women.[55]
* The startle response (eyeblink following a loud sound) is similarly masculinized in lesbians and bisexual women.[56]
* Gay and non-gay people emit different underarm odors.[57]
* Gay and non-gay people's brains respond differently to two human sex pheromones (AND, found in male armpit secretions, and EST, found in female urine).[24][58][59]
* One region of the brain (amygdala) is more active in gay men than non-gay men when exposed to sexually arousing material.[60]
* Finger length ratios between the index and ring fingers may be different between non-gay and lesbian women.[53][61][62][63][64][65]
* Gay men and lesbians are significantly more likely to be left-handed or ambidextrous than non-gay men and women;[66][67][68] Simon LeVay argues that because "[h]and preference is observable before birth[69]... [t]he observation of increased non-right-handness in gay people is therefore consistent with the idea that sexual orientation is influenced by prenatal processes," perhaps heredity.[28]
* A study of 50 gay men found 23% had counterclockwise hair whirl, as opposed to 8% in the general population. This may correlate with left-handedness.[70]
* Gay men have increased ridge density in the fingerprints on their left thumbs and pinkies.[70]
* Length of limbs and hands of gay men is smaller compared to height than the general population, but only among white men.[70]

[edit] Cognitive

Recent studies suggest the presence of subtle differences in the way gay people and non-gay people process certain kinds of information. Researchers have found that:

* Gay men[71] and lesbians are more verbally fluent than heterosexuals of the same sex[72][73][74] (but two studies did not find this result).[75][76]
* Gay men may receive higher scores than non-gay men on tests of object location memory (no difference was found between lesbians and non-gay women).[77]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

The reasons and differences in homosexual personality is due to the structure of their brains and not due to , at least a large part, the environment.

Mother Nature's decision

[JCSM]

At the end of it everyone will have different views on this topic. Some for it... others against it. Maybe someone should start a pole for "straight" people to see how many thinks it's "sick" or "not normal" (not about rights etc.)
Just plain ...Do you think it's sick "Yes" or "No". Would be interesting to see the outcome.

[Mephisto_Helix]

.... and all those voting 'Sick' should be herded into a corner and disposed of imo. The world can do without as many hate filled people as possible.

[phenom]

Bit OT, but:

Stumbled..
Forty percent of participants who were 10 or more years post-transition reported having been sexually attracted to gay men. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_man Meaning that ~half of Trannies are heterosexual.

Well personally as to trannies, it is not different that a fat person who wants to be skinny/ people who mod themselves by going to gym. Society usually uses them references to gay people as trannies, just though it would be interesting(for those who are concerned) to know that there are plenty straight ones too.

Then again, the religious don't mind about this one: Iran: Death To Gays, Surgery For Transsexuals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akvd4sQby14 search YT for "Iranian Govenrnment is forcing Gays to become Transsexuals "

@ JCSM - u go grl!

The hatred for Gays is solely based upon religion.

[TowerGuru]

There is hope

do you know something these experts dont?

The American Medical Association
The American Psychiatric Association
The American Psychological Association
The American Psychoanalytical Association
The American Academy of Pediatrics
The American Association of Social Workers

All officially state that Being gay is not mind disorder and should not be treated as such, and processes that try to "cure" gays are extremely harmful and should not be undertaken.

Jesus loves you JCSM even though you spread satans lies through your hate. He still loves you, maybe one day you will see the light and stop your hate filled life.

If i ever see you i will give you a big hug i think you need it. You need all the love you can get.

Kindest Regards
GayTechie

[phenom]

Well good arguments made, I think that this thread serves a place in the philosophy section for further inspection/introspection and to use as reference.

[Lycanthrope]

At the end of it everyone will have different views on this topic. Some for it... others against it. Maybe someone should start a pole for "straight" people to see how many thinks it's "sick" or "not normal" (not about rights etc.)
Just plain ...Do you think it's sick "Yes" or "No". Would be interesting to see the outcome.

Indeed, I would like to see this poll too.

I have to admit, I quite like the fact that when you are on the losing side of an argument you resort to your "everyone will have different views" cop-out instead of facing facts :)

[JCSM]

Indeed, I would like to see this poll too.
........ facing facts :)

Like the animal kingdom? animals - humans, animals - humans, animals - humans! Ah yes, wait a minute.... you think humans are animals, isn't that right? You people have been so brainwashed with your sick desires, everything is acceptable. Was the pedophile also born that way? No studies done on their brains? I don't know, will ya google it for me? If it's the case that it's consistent with your theory about gays, then they should not be held accountable for their actions, 'cause heaven knows . . "I can't help it, I was born like this"

You MUST be gay aren't you? Go lie down on your bed and do some self evaluation . . . where did it all go wrong?

[Lycanthrope]

Like the animal kingdom? animals - humans, animals - humans, animals - humans! Ah yes, wait a minute.... you think humans are animals, isn't that right? You people have been so brainwashed with your sick desires, everything is acceptable.
You like Wikipedia, don't you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
What Kingdom do we fall under? I'll give you a hint, it sounds like animal.


Was the pedophile also born that way? No studies done on their brains? I don't know, will ya google it for me? If it's the case that it's consistent with your theory about gays, then they should not be held accountable for their actions, 'cause heaven knows . . "I can't help it, I was born like this"

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). The child must be at least five years younger in the case of adolescent pedophiles.[1][2][3][4]

You'll notice that homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a fetishism. Not to be pedantic or anything :rolleyes:


Sexual fetishism may be regarded, e.g. in psychiatric medicine, as a disorder of sexual preference or as an enhancing element to a relationship causing a better sexual bond between the partners.[2] Arousal from a particular body part is not to be confused with fetishism due to the fact that it is classified as partialism.


You MUST be gay aren't you?
WOW! You figured that out all on your own. Amazing! Somebody give the man a medal!


Go lie down on your bed and do some self evaluation . . . where did it all go wrong?

People like you made me ask myself that for years. I came to a conclusion: the problem isn't with me, it's with you.

[copacetic]

At the end of it everyone will have different views on this topic. Some for it... others against it. Maybe someone should start a pole for "straight" people to see how many thinks it's "sick" or "not normal" (not about rights etc.)
Just plain ...Do you think it's sick "Yes" or "No". Would be interesting to see the outcome.

Straight guy here.

http://happinessbunny.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/kissing100507-3.jpg

Doesn't bother me in the least.

Are you sure you don't get a little bit turned on and that's why it bothers you so much?

Also, I thought we were all made in god's image? :confused:

Why the **** do you care so much if two people of the same sex love each other anyway?

What's your stance on this, by the way:

http://www.highfunction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lesbian_kiss.jpg

[Lycanthrope]

FFS, copa.. At least post some cute guys kissing:

http://www.emobucket.com/albums/userpics/10001/3947531.jpg

Straight guys.. No taste :p

[copacetic]

FFS, copa.. At least post some cute guys kissing:

Straight guys.. No taste :p

Gay guys.. Like blurry pictures of emos. :p

[Lycanthrope]

Gay guys.. Like blurry pictures of emos. :p

I thought it was a pretty picture :(

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_J5lA45Wlfz0/SdWCjLJX1uI/AAAAAAAADgk/vze79OPYP4w/s400/emo%2Bkissing%2B47.jpg

Better?

I likes emos :D

[news24]

Let's not forget that we have a lot thanks to give to gays for they contributed something to the world.

AIDS was first clinically observed between late 1980 and early 1981. Injection drug users and gay men with no known cause of impaired immunity showed symptoms of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP), a rare opportunistic infection that was known to present itself in people with very compromised immune systems. Soon thereafter, additional gay men developed a previously-rare skin cancer called Kaposi’s sarcoma. Many more cases of PCP and KS quickly emerged, alerting U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). A CDC task force was formed to monitor the outbreak. After recognizing a pattern of anomalous symptoms presenting themselves in patients, the task force named the condition acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS).[

[TowerGuru]

FFS, copa.. At least post some cute guys kissing:

http://www.emobucket.com/albums/userpics/10001/3947531.jpg

Straight guys.. No taste :p


dude! These (http://myobsessionoftheday.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/127998108574.jpg) are hot guys kissing!!!

[Lycanthrope]

Let's not forget that we have a lot thanks to give to gays for they contributed something to the world.

Er...

In the general press, the term GRID, which stood for Gay-related immune deficiency, had been coined.[164] The CDC, in search of a name, and looking at the infected communities coined “the 4H disease,” as it seemed to single out Haitians, homosexuals, hemophiliacs, and heroin users.[165] However, after determining that AIDS was not isolated to the homosexual community,[163] the term GRID became misleading and AIDS was introduced at a meeting in July 1982.[166] By September 1982 the CDC started using the name AIDS, and properly defined the illness.[167]

The earliest known positive identification of the HIV virus comes from the Congo in 1959 and 1960 though genetic studies indicate that it passed into the human population from chimpanzees around fifty years earlier.[10] A recent study states that HIV probably moved from Africa to Haiti and then entered the United States around 1969.[168]

Talk about getting your facts straight :rolleyes:

[adrianx]

Let's not forget that we have a lot thanks to give to gays for they contributed something to the world.

Edit: Not worth it.

Why oh why did the Romans stop feeding certain types to the lions?

[Lycanthrope]

dude! These (http://myobsessionoftheday.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/127998108574.jpg) are hot guys kissing!!!

The one on the right has an epic nose :p

[TowerGuru]

bla bla bla fishpaste


kinda over what you have to say. you arent contributing intelligent conversation....but...here's a hug!!!! *hug*

[Mephisto_Helix]

Let's not forget that we have a lot thanks to give to gays for they contributed something to the world.

wow, what an ignorant, hateful little twit .....

[news24]

Er...


Talk about getting your facts straight :rolleyes:

:( Gay's are not friendly, what wrong did I do? I merely pointed out that they contributed something to the world. They helped in the discovery of AIDS, it is my firm believe that if there were no gays, diseases that were transmitted by drug users through needles would just be dismissed as drug abuse related.

[IdlePhaedrus]

JCSM (Jesus Christ Saved Me?) has some serious psycho-sexual issues (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/290425-Lesbian-woman-burnt-to-death-in-Natal.?p=5175551&viewfull=1#post5175551).

Perhaps he should just relent and enjoy what he knows in his heart of hearts is inevitable. The poor fellow is obviously carrying a huge amount of socially created baggage on top of his naturally occurring genes. Not sure that there is much can be done for him in this forum. He should probably seek professional advice.

News24 is a much more interesting case.

[JCSM]

Gays are a bad influence on innocent children as well........ when my sister in law (lesbian) comes to visit with her "friend", my daughter stays with her grandparents.
I know I will not be able to protect her forever . . . .but while it's in my power I will. I'll make sure while i can that she will not be corrupted, not on my watch!!

[TowerGuru]

Gays are a bad influence on innocent children as well........ when my sister in law (lesbian) comes to visit with her "friend", my daughter stays with her grandparents.
I know I will not be able to protect her forever . . . .but while it's in my power I will. I'll make sure while i can that she will not be corrupted, not on my watch!!

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY JCSM!!! PROTECTOR OF THE CHILDREN FROM EVIL LESBIANS!!!

[adrianx]

Gays are a bad influence on innocent children as well........ when my sister in law (lesbian) comes to visit with her "friend", my daughter stays with her grandparents.
I know I will not be able to protect her forever . . . .but while it's in my power I will. I'll make sure while i can that she will not be corrupted, not on my watch!!

@Jesus Christ Sadist Masochist... that's sad! What other things do you "protect" her from? Care to list them?

[Randhir]

:( Gay's are not friendly, what wrong did I do? I merely pointed out that they contributed something to the world. They helped in the discovery of AIDS, it is my firm believe that if there were no gays, diseases that were transmitted by drug users through needles would just be dismissed as drug abuse related.

Oh please. You know what oy meant, and it wasn't that.


Gays are a bad influence on innocent children as well........ when my sister in law (lesbian) comes to visit with her "friend", my daughter stays with her grandparents.
I know I will not be able to protect her forever . . . .but while it's in my power I will. I'll make sure while i can that she will not be corrupted, not on my watch!!

Then I suppose you send your daughter away when the priest comes over too?

[Lycanthrope]

Gays are a bad influence on innocent children as well........ when my sister in law (lesbian) comes to visit with her "friend", my daughter stays with her grandparents.
I know I will not be able to protect her forever . . . .but while it's in my power I will. I'll make sure while i can that she will not be corrupted, not on my watch!!

You are aware that gays raise children too, right? You realise that there is absolutely no corroboration that children of gays are gay?

In fact, my cousin and her girlfriend have a 15-year-old boy who is easily one of the most intelligent, open-minded and brilliant human beings alive. Oh, and he's straight :rolleyes:

To be frank, your 11-year-old daughter has my absolute sympathies. Nothing like having a father with a history of assault :)

[The_Librarian]

moved by ook

[copacetic]

moved by ook

To philosophical debates? :confused:

[Lycanthrope]

News24's search for glory holes (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/223099-Glory-Holes)
News24 asking whether or not it would be a good idea to impregnate a 15-year-old girl (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/257204-Would-You-Do-It?highlight=)

News24, I have a sneaking suspicion that you're at a high risk for HIV/AIDS. Are you gay?


moved by ook

Yay! PD FTW :love: Domo arigato!

[news24]

News24's search for glory holes (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/223099-Glory-Holes)
News24 asking whether or not it would be a good idea to impregnate a 15-year-old girl (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/257204-Would-You-Do-It?highlight=)

News24, I have a sneaking suspicion that you're at a high risk for HIV/AIDS. Are you gay?



Yay! PD FTW :love: Domo arigato!

Wanting to suck cock dosen't make my gay, I'm simply bi-curious.

[Lycanthrope]

Wanting to suck cock dosen't make my gay, I'm simply bi-curious.

Erm... I was under the impression that you wanted to get sucked (by female)... Wanting to actually suck is... Woooooo... You've knocked me for a tizzy there.

Erm... erm...

I give up :p

[kilobits]

:wtf:

Its like some bloke giving another bloke but-shots claiming he is not gay... the guy bending is!


Wanting to suck cock dosen't make my gay, I'm simply bi-curious.

[Korn1]

You are aware that gays raise children too, right? You realise that there is absolutely no corroboration that children of gays are gay?

In fact, my cousin and her girlfriend have a 15-year-old boy who is easily one of the most intelligent, open-minded and brilliant human beings alive. Oh, and he's straight :rolleyes:

To be frank, your 11-year-old daughter has my absolute sympathies. Nothing like having a father with a history of assault :)


I had the stigma that gay parents could affect the childs sexuality but thats bullpoo.Gay people make great parents I hear though this will always depend on the individuals.

Random story

Met some gay guy thats friends with my friend so he asked me if I could go to his house to fetch some whiskey...didn't think anything of it until we got to his house and was saying everything that happens in this house will stay in this house and he touched my butt...I freaked the hell out and demanded that he take me back to the place we left.:eek:

[Lycanthrope]

There's nothing wrong with being bi-curious... It's just that one moment you're comparing homosexuality (sexual orientation) to pedophilia/bestiality/fetishism (disorders) and then you admit to being bi-curious?

I am so confused :(

News24, are you being satirical or serious? For the sake of some coherency, please :p

[news24]

Erm... I was under the impression that you wanted to get sucked (by female)... Wanting to actually suck is... Woooooo... You've knocked me for a tizzy there.

Erm... erm...

I give up :p
It's science, I really want to know what you guys feel when your sucking another dude's member. Just because I want to try smoking dosen't necessarily make me a smoker.

[Lycanthrope]

I had the stigma that gay parents could affect the childs sexuality but thats bullpoo.Gay people make great parents I hear though this will always depend on the individuals.

Random story

Met some gay guy thats friends with my friend so he asked me if I could go to his house to fetch some whiskey...didn't think anything of it until we got to his house and was saying everything that happens in this house will stay in this house and he touched my butt...I freaked the hell out and demanded that he take me back to the place we left.:eek:

LOL! Sorry, that was probably seriously awkward but... hahaha :D I guess now you know how girls feel when you subtly suggest going back to your place for coffee and they didn't twig on what you meant :p

And for gay parents... Well, my cousin and her girl are easily the most fantastic parents I've ever come across. Dean (their kid) is phenomenal. His parents have raised him well and they've allowed him to make his own decisions, be his own person and they support him. His mom (er.. counsin's wifey) suffers from polycystic kidney disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycystic_kidney_disease). He helps her through everything--warm water bottle, adrenaline shots when she floors... Meh, it's a difficult life (because of her condition) but they support each other in ways that I have never seen any other family pull through. It's inspiring.

[news24]

There's nothing wrong with being bi-curious... It's just that one moment you're comparing homosexuality (sexual orientation) to pedophilia/bestiality/fetishism (disorders) and then you admit to being bi-curious?

I am so confused :(

News24, are you being satirical or serious? For the sake of some coherency, please :p

I want to ask two questions,

1. If your entering someone on the backdoor what precautions should one take, because on small elict videos that I've watched, that glourious hole is always clean with no sewage traces, how do they achieve that?

2. If your being penetrated on the backdoor for the very first time, how does it feel, does it get better with time, can one climax(even if your straight) from rear back entry?

[IdlePhaedrus]

News24 isn't really bi-curious, he is gagging for it.

[Korn1]

LOL! Sorry, that was probably seriously awkward but... hahaha :D I guess now you know how girls feel when you subtly suggest going back to your place for coffee and they didn't twig on what you meant :p

And for gay parents... Well, my cousin and her girl are easily the most fantastic parents I've ever come across. Dean (their kid) is phenomenal. His parents have raised him well and they've allowed him to make his own decisions, be his own person and they support him. His mom (er.. counsin's wifey) suffers from polycystic kidney disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycystic_kidney_disease). He helps her through everything--warm water bottle, adrenaline shots when she floors... Meh, it's a difficult life (because of her condition) but they support each other in ways that I have never seen any other family pull through. It's inspiring.

Ya ya funny for you :D Well atleast im a guy I can moer the person but I feel for the girls :(

[Lycanthrope]

I want to ask two questions,

1. If your entering someone on the backdoor what precautions should one take, because on small elict videos that I've watched, that glourious hole is always clean with no sewage traces, how do they achieve that?

Well, this conversation just took a seriously unusual turn. Erm... Argh... this is seriously embarrassing to talk about... but, for the sake of science... :p

Firstly, I've only been in one relationship where I've gone that far and that relationship lasted for four years before it went kaput. I'm actually pretty conservative when it comes to the whole love/intimacy thing. Personally, we went into the relationship as both virgins and ignorant and silly and *shrug* that was that.

There's no "poop" in your rectum (your body basically keeps everything in by some kind of "sucking" system, from what I'm aware until you want to "go"). I've always been hygienic in that sense though--always wash before and after and never had problems.

Some people (and by this I mean people who go out with the intention of getting laid) "douche" (think enema) to be on the safe side.

Otherwise... just use a condom, which is kind of what you should be doing in the first place if you're not in a committed and trusting relationship.


2. If your being penetrated on the backdoor for the very first time, how does it feel, does it get better with time, can one climax(even if your straight) from rear back entry?

hahaha... Erm... personally, I don't really like taking, I prefer giving... however there are the odd occasions where I would be in the mood for it and, if you're in the mood for it... it's one of the greatest feelings there is (to orgasm while er... hm).

For men, well, we have our prostates right there so, yes, anal sex is pleasurable and it's possible to reach orgasm if you're willing to give it time and your partner isn't going to climax in 2 minutes. However, it doesn't hurt to help yourself along either.

As for first time... Well, play around until you're relaxed or else it will hurt and if sex hurts, you're not doing it right.

[Lycanthrope]

News24 isn't really bi-curious, he is gagging for it.

Probably :p That, however, would be a lowly ploy to push an agenda though.

[Korn1]

Gays are a bad influence on innocent children as well........ when my sister in law (lesbian) comes to visit with her "friend", my daughter stays with her grandparents.
I know I will not be able to protect her forever . . . .but while it's in my power I will. I'll make sure while i can that she will not be corrupted, not on my watch!!

Dude its your sister in law... :erm: She won't rub lesbian fairy dust over her. You know thats pretty cruel to treat someone...sorry anyone like that..sheesh

[IdlePhaedrus]

Probably :p That, however, would be a lowly ploy to push an agenda though.

True, never said I was perfect, just intrigued

[nihilist]

@Jesus Christ Sadist Masochist... that's sad! What other things do you "protect" her from? Care to list them?

They must have put the fish fingers back in the freezer and settled on Steers instead ;)

[news24]

Well, this conversation just took a seriously unusual turn. Erm... Argh... this is seriously embarrassing to talk about... but, for the sake of science... :p

Firstly, I've only been in one relationship where I've gone that far and that relationship lasted for four years before it went kaput. I'm actually pretty conservative when it comes to the whole love/intimacy thing. Personally, we went into the relationship as both virgins and ignorant and silly and *shrug* that was that.

There's no "poop" in your rectum (your body basically keeps everything in by some kind of "sucking" system, from what I'm aware until you want to "go"). I've always been hygienic in that sense though--always wash before and after and never had problems.

Some people (and by this I mean people who go out with the intention of getting laid) "douche" (think enema) to be on the safe side.

Otherwise... just use a condom, which is kind of what you should be doing in the first place if you're not in a committed and trusting relationship.



hahaha... Erm... personally, I don't really like taking, I prefer giving... however there are the odd occasions where I would be in the mood for it and, if you're in the mood for it... it's one of the greatest feelings there is (to orgasm while er... hm).

For men, well, we have our prostates right there so, yes, anal sex is pleasurable and it's possible to reach orgasm if you're willing to give it time and your partner isn't going to climax in 2 minutes. However, it doesn't hurt to help yourself along either.

As for first time... Well, play around until you're relaxed or else it will hurt and if sex hurts, you're not doing it right.

That got me hot under the collar, I don't think that I would really enyjoy taking it from behind, but then again it's not like I have a choice, I can barely get it up unless I use OTO drugs. I'm off to beat my meat now, Lycanthrope your a bad man :D

[Lycanthrope]

Oh well, since this has moved into PD, let's explore the statement: gay people are a curse.

Is homosexuality a disease? No.
Can homosexuals lead normal lives? Yes
Do homosexuals make good parents? Yes (or at least as good as any and with the benefit fairly open mindsets)
Do homosexuals (sometimes) adopt other people's unwanted and/or orphaned children? Yes
Do homosexual love, live and dream like every one else? Yes

Let's further examine this study on Gay Sex vs Straight Sex (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/gay-sex-vs-straight-sex/); the highlights are as follows:
Gay people are not sexually interested in straights.
Gay people aren't promiscuous.

Ergo, stereotypes are incorrect and gay people are more of a benefit than a curse (also taking into account the fact that they don't breed like rabbits).


That got me hot under the collar, I don't think that I would really enyjoy taking it from behind, but then again it's not like I have a choice, I can barely get it up unless I use OTO drugs. I'm off to beat my meat now, Lycanthrope your a bad man :D

OTO drugs?

And you are officially the strangest individual I have ever come across :erm:

[news24]

OTO drugs?

And you are officially the strangest individual I have ever come across :erm:

OTO drugs are really helpfull, I tried Viagra, Cialis and those injection(oops I forgot the product name), I could could get it up and they were too expensive, roughly R100 bucks per pill. OTOs are much cheaper and they work, if you go to Hustler they will cost youn R160 for 4 pills, on Bidorbuy they cost R44 per 4 pills, I normally take two 300mg pills at a time and I stay really hard( not as hard as I would like to be thouigh :() for a day.

[Lycanthrope]

OTO drugs are really helpfull, I tried Viagra, Cialis and those injection(oops I forgot the product name), I could could get it up and they were too expensive, roughly R100 bucks per pill. OTOs are much cheaper and they work, if you go to Hustler they will cost youn R160 for 4 pills, on Bidorbuy they cost R44 per 4 pills, I normally take two 300mg pills at a time and I stay really hard( not as hard as I would like to be thouigh :() for a day.

I Googled OTO drugs and I came up with anything from stuff for ear infections to veterinary medication.

And.. erm... I kind of don't think that's very healthy for you. If you're suffering from impotence then wouldn't taking drugs you can get online (Bidorbuy ffs) be 1) incredibly risky and 2) cause long-term problems?

Methinks the newsly one needs to see a therapist of the intimate persuasion :p

[news24]

I Googled OTO drugs and I came up with anything from stuff for ear infections to veterinary medication.

And.. erm... I kind of don't think that's very healthy for you. If you're suffering from impotence then wouldn't taking drugs you can get online (Bidorbuy ffs) be 1) incredibly risky and 2) cause long-term problems?

Methinks the newsly one needs to see a therapist of the intimate persuasion :p

I'm corrupted for life, I don't think that there is a therapist in the world that can help me, unless the invent a 20 year degree, I'm lost in my own miserable world. Thanks for motivating me, you "homosexuals" are really winning me over.

[TowerGuru]

im going to stop monitoring this thread. its starting to feel like a Troll thread to me. im out

[MickeyD]

OTO drugs are really helpfull, I tried Viagra, Cialis and those injection(oops I forgot the product name), I could could get it up and they were too expensive, roughly R100 bucks per pill. OTOs are much cheaper and they work, if you go to Hustler they will cost youn R160 for 4 pills, on Bidorbuy they cost R44 per 4 pills, I normally take two 300mg pills at a time and I stay really hard( not as hard as I would like to be thouigh :() for a day.
Is this why you destroy all your cars? :twisted:

[Foxie]

In my neck of the woods you see hardly any black males (including security guards) that do NOT wear earrings - the 'cultcha' thing. To be honest, the opinion of security guards at a mall is hardly worth commenting about. As for gays, they bother me as little as religious people do. It's a lifestyle they choose and it is their right which I respect. I do not feel threatened by them and as long as they do not force their opinion and habits on me, the fine by me. But I do know that most white males I know fear going to prison more than the death penalty... Wonder why? ;)

[Wall]

JCSM, I wish you get perma banned. Your hatred and closed mindedness is shocking and pathetic.

[Lycanthrope]

In my neck of the woods you see hardly any black males (including security guards) that do NOT wear earrings - the 'cultcha' thing. To be honest, the opinion of security guards at a mall is hardly worth commenting about. As for gays, they bother me as little as religious people do. It's a lifestyle they choose and it is their right which I respect. I do not feel threatened by them and as long as they do not force their opinion and habits on me, the fine by me. But I do know that most white males I know fear going to prison more than the death penalty... Wonder why? ;)

Compared to religious people and told it's a choice. I'ma kick your butt :p

[Mephisto_Helix]

In my neck of the woods you see hardly any black males (including security guards) that do NOT wear earrings - the 'cultcha' thing. To be honest, the opinion of security guards at a mall is hardly worth commenting about. As for gays, they bother me as little as religious people do. It's a lifestyle they choose and it is their right which I respect. I do not feel threatened by them and as long as they do not force their opinion and habits on me, the fine by me. But I do know that most white males I know fear going to prison more than the death penalty... Wonder why? ;)

Uhm, coz it's rape? Duh :rolleyes:

[seventhson]

JCSM, I wish you get perma banned. Your hatred and closed mindedness is shocking and pathetic.

Oc needs to show him the bending game:p

[Lycanthrope]

Oc needs to show him the bending game:p

Seventh, OC actually has taste and would never stoop so low.

[seventhson]

Seventh, OC actually has taste and would never stoop so low.

But but:( I feel like I have just been shouted at:(

[Lycanthrope]

But but:( I feel like I have just been shouted at:(

Is fine, I know you didn't mean it that way :p I'm just clarifying.

[seventhson]

Is fine, I know you didn't mean it that way :p I'm just clarifying.

You gay guys are actaully bean very nasty to me of late:(

[MickeyD]

You gay guys are actaully bean very nasty to me of late:(
Why not kiss and make up? :whistle:

[Lycanthrope]

You gay guys are actaully bean very nasty to me of late:(

Oh pfff... You just want attention. I thought OC was giving you all the attention you wanted? :D


Why not kiss and make up? :whistle:

Pff... seventh is just jealous because scotty777 "is a misunderstood hotty" (seventh's words) :p

[cpu.]

Just watched an old episode of Chuck. Then I saw this thread and smiled.

Morgan and the gang in Buy More - held hostage by a Fulcrum agent - discussing attack strategy:

Devon (Chuck's brother-in-law-to-be): Describing football moves (using props) on the floor to use in the attack.

Morgan: "Why is everyone always coming from behind. Makes me feel awkward." :D

[D.B.Cooper]

Not all gay people are promiscuous.


I think that would be a more honest statement. Since you're from CT you're probably familiar with the Hothouse. ;)

[Lycanthrope]

I think that would be a more honest statement. Since you're from CT you're probably familiar with the Hot House. ;)

No, not actually. Seems that you are? :)

Anyway, I think that was the point of the study--gay people are no different to straight people as far as promiscuity goes.

[D.B.Cooper]

No, not actually. Seems that you are? :)

Anyway, I think that was the point of the study--gay people are no different to straight people as far as promiscuity goes.

Yes I am, in fact. Bisexual, you see.

The statement you made above, however, somewhat contradict the shena****ns as witnessed here: http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/

I'm pretty sure there is no analogue to that in the hetero world. At least, not on such a scale.

Edit: I suppose you've never been to Bar Code either then?

[JCSM]

No, not actually. Seems that you are? :)

Anyway, I think that was the point of the study--gay people are no different to straight people as far as promiscuity goes.

I actually have to agree with that, can you believe?

[copacetic]

Good grief, now that's an event that would get the Woolworths grannies in a tizz.

[D.B.Cooper]

Good grief, now that's an event that would get the Woolworths grannies in a tizz.

Yep, it really is something else isn't it? In fact, it's a regular sausage-fest, amiright? hehehe

[copacetic]

Yep, it really is something else isn't it? In fact, it's a regular sausage-fest, amiright? hehehe

This is terribly mean of me, but I have to admit, I'd love to teleport JCSM into the middle of it all. :twisted:

[Lycanthrope]

Yes I am, in fact. Bisexual, you see.

The statement you made above, however, somewhat contradict the shena****ns as witnessed here: http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/

I'm pretty sure there is no analogue to that in the hetero world. At least, not on such a scale.

Edit: I suppose you've never been to Bar Code either then?

Nope :) I'm afraid it seems we run in different circles :D

Oh: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/group.php?groupid=141 and http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/group.php?groupid=101
Use 'em, don't use 'em :p


I actually have to agree with that, can you believe?

Apparently miracles do happen.

[Nerhzelok]

^ Heeeeeeeey you're homosexual aren't you?

[Lycanthrope]

roflmao...

Why yes, yes I am :p

[alloytoo]

Gays are a bad influence on innocent children as well........ when my sister in law (lesbian) comes to visit with her "friend", my daughter stays with her grandparents.
I know I will not be able to protect her forever . . . .but while it's in my power I will. I'll make sure while i can that she will not be corrupted, not on my watch!!

Startlingly enough the children of gay couples have about the same chance of turning out gay as the children of straight couples

[Foxie]

Uhm, coz it's rape? Duh :rolleyes:

*shakes his woolly head...*

[D.B.Cooper]

Nope :) I'm afraid it seems we run in different circles :D

Eh, you're no fun. :D You should try Hothouse on a Saturday afternoon though. Not a lot of folks there at that time and it's nice to relax in the upstairs jacuzzi.