Proteas choke again.... SIGH [Archive]

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:30 PM

Sigh, we were cruising, but threw away our wickets.

See the graph below....

http://i.imgur.com/aUa2V.jpg

Almost no-one would call them chokers if they play their hearts out and then lose in the end by giving it their all, but instead they are happily cruising and then COMPLETELY collapse!

ghoti

25-03-2011, 05:38 PM

SA cricket sucks balls :(

Hate supporting them in a world cup. Theyre so useless.

Not only do we lose all the time in World Cups, but we train the other sides to beat us :(

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:41 PM

Our arrogance cost us the game... The only good thing I am hoping to see from this is Graeme Smith's scalp.

A friend made an excellent suggestion, his suggestion was that we should brand Graeme Smith with a huge C on his forehead - Inglorious bastards style.

satanboy

25-03-2011, 05:41 PM

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/kirk-choke-yourself-500x375.jpg

HapticSimian

25-03-2011, 05:41 PM

Where's that graph from?

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:44 PM

Everything was going so well until the 25th.
http://i.imgur.com/3UufU.jpg

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:45 PM

Where's that graph from?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/match/433602.html

ghoti

25-03-2011, 05:46 PM

South Africa has never won in a world cup knock out match.

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:48 PM

South Africa has never won in a world cup knock out match.

Sure they have, how do you think we lost in the semis against Australia in the famous Lance Klusener Allan Donald incident?

HapticSimian

25-03-2011, 05:50 PM

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/match/433602.html

Eh? My graphs on Cricinfo don't look anything like that. :confused:

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:52 PM

Eh? My graphs on Cricinfo don't look anything like that. :confused:

Check under hawkeye

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:54 PM

There goes Faf.... the end is nigh.

Kayoss

25-03-2011, 05:56 PM

Sure they have, how do you think we lost in the semis against Australia in the famous Lance Klusener Allan Donald incident?

there were no QF's back then..

HapticSimian

25-03-2011, 05:56 PM

Check under hawkeye

Ah. The one place I would not think to check for a graph. :rolleyes:

Thanks. :D Found it just in time to see our win likelihood bottom out on 0.

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 05:57 PM

Game set match. Well played NZ

jasweb

25-03-2011, 06:01 PM

OUCH. Ah well... next time... (I will not watch).

Might actually start to watch bowls now.... cricket has lost its touch...

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 06:02 PM

Time for an inglorious bastards style 'C' on Graeme Smith's forehead!

satanboy

25-03-2011, 06:06 PM

Game set match. Well played NZ

that is just it...they didn't play that well...we gave it to them on a silver platter.

Picard

25-03-2011, 06:07 PM

Oh well at least Australia also isn't in it anymore.

Wyzak

25-03-2011, 06:24 PM

that is just it...they didn't play that well...we gave it to them on a silver platter.

They played better than we did.... Credit where credit is due.

Fuma

25-03-2011, 06:35 PM

Bafana Bafana has more chance to win the world cup than the Proteas.
Yawn.

Nimz

25-03-2011, 06:39 PM

sad....

IceDreama

25-03-2011, 07:04 PM

sad....

It all comes down to our management and selectors. No matter how bad our team plays, the same team always gets selected. So it is too be expected that we crash and burn all the time. Only about 6 of our national team are consistent and sadly most of those are bowlers. I've never known national selectors to keep selecting the same middle order batsmen after countless collapses. The warning signs were there but nothing was done about it. So in my humble opinion, it's not the players faults, it's the management of SA cricket as you cannot blame a player who isn't in form and plays badly but keeps getting selected. But yeah, every SA citizen will have an opinion on this poor showing at yet another world cup

hedgehog

25-03-2011, 07:10 PM

Yet again South Africa is able to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

IceDreama

25-03-2011, 07:12 PM

Yet again South Africa is able to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

+1

Well said. lol!

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Nive~k

25-03-2011, 07:21 PM

Proteas Friday funeral.
It hurts, but that's cricket and u gotta be strong to watch.
I'll always look foward to proteas in the future...

BobsLawnService

25-03-2011, 08:26 PM

They played better than we did.... Credit where credit is due.

Yeah, they showed some backbone at about the same time that ours turned to jelly. I don't think that labeling the Proteas as chokers detracts from the Kiwi's performance in any way. Both teams were under the same amount of pressure - they just kept it together when we went to pieces.

griffinbradley

25-03-2011, 08:28 PM

once a choker always a choker. i can't believe the amount of money those guys receive for embarrassing us. good thing my 9 yr old son supports England or his heart would've been broken.

killadoob

25-03-2011, 08:32 PM

They never outplayed us

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/9434651.stm

BobsLawnService

25-03-2011, 08:40 PM

They never outplayed us

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/9434651.stm

I disagree. Vetorri's captaincy was absolutely brilliant compared to Smith's.

Just an example - we had the Kiwis against the ropes in the opening overs thanks to Steyn, so what does Smith do - relieves the pressure by taking Stayn off. Smith went in with a particular gameplan and failed to adapt when we could easily have had them at 40/4. The SA fielders also started looking flat.

The moment Vettori sensed that South Africa were on the back foot he immediately attacked with everything he had. He cranked up the pressure and in the field the Kiwis looked sharp. They were like South African teams in the late 90's and made us work for runs. They gave nothing away. They were incredible with plenty of insane diving saves and a few blinding catches.

When it came to batting the Kiwis were against the ropes at one stage. What did they do? They regrouped, consolidated and stopped taking risks and posted 220 when it didn't even look like 200 was on the cards. That was great thinking.

South Africa lost a few wickets and we imploded completely playing stupid shots and Kallis seemed determined to jog up and down the pitch and was almost run out three or four times.

Also the huge quote in bold on that page : Whenever they lose in the World Cup, everyone always focuses on South Africa's inadequacies. They say you should only take the field when you're 100% fit, but that's not true when you're captain - Daniel Vettori was a mountain for New Zealand today

Grimspoon

25-03-2011, 08:42 PM

My word SA, WTF happened?

If anything comes from this, I hope that idiot Graham Smith gets the chop, I am so sick of people shoving stats at me about how good he is, but the oke never performs?? What a twat.

syntax

25-03-2011, 08:46 PM

killadoob

25-03-2011, 08:55 PM

"South Africa lost a few wickets and we imploded completely playing stupid shots and Kallis seemed determined to jog up and down the pitch and was almost run out three or four times."

So we played stupid shots, tried to run ourselves out but NZ outplayed us? I dunno seems like we contributed big time to our demise as usual. We do it every time so nothing unusual about us imploding and losing from what should be winning positions.

Grimspoon

25-03-2011, 09:00 PM

Smith cannot really be blamed for this though...we have a disgustingly good batting line up..and its shocking that we couldnt get it together and chase down what I thought was a reasonable total.
As a captain i dont think smith did anything wrong, but I would have dropped him anyways.

Any way, on to the RWC!!!!

Nah he can't really be blamed. But I still don't have a clue why he is captain or opening batsman? :wtf:

syntax

25-03-2011, 09:12 PM

Nah he can't really be blamed. But I still don't have a clue why he is captain or opening batsman? :wtf:

Because kallis and AB probably prefer to not open. I think thats the only reason, and we have got no other openers.
Im sad for Amla though...He really does have what it takes i think

stefan9

25-03-2011, 09:21 PM

Jabberwocky

25-03-2011, 09:27 PM

I got excited.. i started watching cricket again fir the first time in 5 years. :cry:

nothing to see.. move along

India ftw now

mercury12

25-03-2011, 09:48 PM

As an Indian really wanted SA to go through. They like the SA quite a bit in India. What a mess up. Hope Kirsten takes over and makes some changes

AfricanTech

25-03-2011, 10:27 PM

Should have played the team that thrashed the Bangi's!

silent_shadow

25-03-2011, 10:28 PM

once a choker always a choker. i can't believe the amount of money those guys receive for embarrassing us. good thing my 9 yr old son supports England or his heart would've been broken.

Less false hope?

Ekstasis

25-03-2011, 10:38 PM

Smith is not to blame. NZ was the better team on the day. What is this choke business? SA was simply out played. Their bowlers produced at the right time and we paid the price.

OomD

25-03-2011, 10:52 PM

The Kiwi's didn't beat us. We lost to them.

How many times more must we choke before they get rid of GS?

NetDude

25-03-2011, 11:03 PM

Our hearts bleed tonight... Hard luck boys!

za1

25-03-2011, 11:22 PM

Smith is not to blame. NZ was the better team on the day. What is this choke business? SA was simply out played. Their bowlers produced at the right time and we paid the price.

smith is always at fault.
wtf was that giraffe playing in a kiwi kit, is that allowed? that 6 that wasn't that was out, would've changed the whole match.

anyhow WD Kiwis, didn't expect tha!!

lilggg

25-03-2011, 11:31 PM

Lol i could have a field day with some of the tweet's of these twits.

AB DeVilliers
Off 2 Bangladesh. How about this for a quote? "I look back not to the achievments of INDIVIDUALS, but of COLLECTIVE ACTION"

But i wont go there.As much as i feel angry i feel sorry for them too.

lilggg

25-03-2011, 11:40 PM

Smith cannot really be blamed for this though...we have a disgustingly good batting line up..and its shocking that we couldnt get it together and chase down what I thought was a reasonable total.
As a captain i dont think smith did anything wrong, but I would have dropped him anyways.

Any way, on to the RWC!!!!

Agreed,everybody is blaming the selectors and captaincy,but there was no problem until we lost this,except against england.This team is good enough to beat anybody,but when it matters we choke.We just can't handle presure,fix that and we can do it.

alloytoo

25-03-2011, 11:48 PM

Well done Danny and the boys, there will be a few happy folks in the office on Monday.

stefan9

26-03-2011, 12:00 AM

Smith is not to blame. NZ was the better team on the day. What is this choke business? SA was simply out played. Their bowlers produced at the right time and we paid the price.

When you are better team man for man but fail to stand up to the pressure when it really matters its a choke. You can try and sugar coat it but facts are facts. SA's record of never having won a knockout game in the wc speaks volumes for our cricket team(especially the batsmen's) mental abilities...

markings

26-03-2011, 08:44 AM

markings

26-03-2011, 08:45 AM

Nah he can't really be blamed. But I still don't have a clue why he is captain or opening batsman? :wtf:
Apperently he has no clue either.

“Your guess is as good as mine,” said poor “Biff” as Mark Nicholas, handling the televised post-match presentation ceremony, asked him for possible reasons for this stark failure.

wise_guy

26-03-2011, 08:56 AM

When you are better team man for man but fail to stand up to the pressure when it really matters its a choke. You can try and sugar coat it but facts are facts. SA's record of never having won a knockout game in the wc speaks volumes for our cricket team(especially the batsmen's) mental abilities...

Totally right dude.It's not like the ball was turning square with uneven bounce.The shot selections was indicitive of the fact that NZ applied pressure and SA crumbled.Unlike India who were in the same position against the Aussies chasing a bigger total but somehow managed to stave of a collapse.
I think is has to do something with a sense of entitlement that makes us arrogant against weaker teams.

markings

26-03-2011, 08:58 AM

You guys do know we also chocked under cronje and pollock?? Smith isn't the reason the chocker mentality is around the squad.

Bowlers did their batsmen can't handle pressure, no bmt in this batting lineup.
And part of it is now being 'blessed with talent' and consider this to be a dilemma, albeit usually sugar coated as 'a good one to have'. This can only create doubt in the players' mind and the expectation that he must perform on a superlative level, leading to his own downfall.

Being blessed with talent should be our normal condition, there should be 10 guys lining up for each position in the team, each one with equal talent.

undesign

26-03-2011, 09:09 AM

When you are better team man for man but fail to stand up to the pressure when it really matters its a choke. You can try and sugar coat it but facts are facts. SA's record of never having won a knockout game in the wc speaks volumes for our cricket team(especially the batsmen's) mental abilities...

Well said.

Damn, when we were 100/2 I chased down to the pub to watch our victory with a few mates...and three beers later we were out. WTF. Haven't felt so depressed since 1999's epic farkup.

Korn1

26-03-2011, 09:11 AM

They just took stupid risks which they never had to do! Im still drunk from last nyt because of this :(

wise_guy

26-03-2011, 09:12 AM

And part of it is now being 'blessed with talent' and consider this to be a dilemma, albeit usually sugar coated as 'a good one to have'. This can only create doubt in the players' mind and the expectation that he must perform on a superlative level, leading to his own downfall.

Being blessed with talent should be our normal condition, there should be 10 guys lining up for each position in the team, each one with equal talent.

Yes and the fact that the likes of Kepler (and other senior players no doubt) already wrote NZ when they posted a paltry 222,instead of treating the game on merit.The same mindset exists in the players where they feel they can sleepwalk(Kallis and Smith)their way to victory.

dal2000

26-03-2011, 09:13 AM

Kallis looked so bored and listless one could have thought that he was sleep walking.

Yeah wtf is with Kallis? He looked like a useless sack of **** on the field staring at the floor all the time. I'm sorry but he's a test player, end of story. Whenever he takes on the ball in odi games who goes out pathetically. The team selection was a ****up, end of story. Messing around moving van wyk to keeper, then removing him from that position. Leaving Boucher out and Albie Morkel out. They deserved to get their asses handed to them with a batting lineup like that.

getafix33

26-03-2011, 10:42 AM

I agree - we missed Boucher and Albie further down the line as our top 5 are notorious for crumbling.

axelblue

26-03-2011, 12:05 PM

We blew one of the best chances we had to win a world cup. This is the most talented team in the history of the proteas. So many talented players together in one team.

waynegohl

27-03-2011, 07:06 PM

zulgin

27-03-2011, 07:26 PM

waynegohl

27-03-2011, 07:47 PM

Corrie is in that position where he doesn't know what to say to be honest, so he makes up a bunch of k@k.....

Faair almal in CSA, even up to the cleaners....

All this "let the nation decide" is k@k to say the least. let us decide on a prison name change, let us decide what team must play cricket, let us decide this and decide that whist the government rip the nation a new ********* whenever they get a chance.

Korn1

27-03-2011, 08:03 PM

Well I must say im pissed off but hey we do have a great team and country :)

OuPiet

27-03-2011, 08:16 PM

the solution is simple - call them SPRINGBOKS - no more choking - lets stop this protea cr@p, call em bokke

OuPiet

27-03-2011, 08:21 PM

after how many years, they always choke, always. kinda reminds me of faulty towers - dont mention the war - dont mention chocking...

its simple - rename them to springboks - no more chocking

Korn1

27-03-2011, 08:23 PM

Ummm dude South Africa can't win everything I mean we are just like any other team,you win or lose thats the reality.

Picard

27-03-2011, 08:24 PM

SA cricket choking???

Please tell us something we don't already know.

Hard Rain

27-03-2011, 08:37 PM

Ummm dude South Africa can't win everything I mean we are just like any other team,you win or lose thats the reality.

It took Australia over a decade to quit their winning habit :p

BobsLawnService

27-03-2011, 08:54 PM

I like the way Corrie says THE NATION must help with the team, what a joke. I remember once when Kallis messed up with something and when the camera was on him he mouthed the words F@#% OFF, well this part of the nation says he must F$%% OFF.

Do we really think they give a damn about THE NATION??

I kind of get what he is saying but the fact is that all the top five or six nations in the world are under the same pressure and they are highly paid professionals who should be mentally strong enough to deal with it.

It also doesn't help when the team is in denial constantly refusing to admit publically that the chokers tag bugs them. I'm no psychologist but isn't it better to admit these problems to yourself and your supporters and then to work through them?

blaaislaai

27-03-2011, 08:55 PM

And theres already a choking thread... http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/321817-Proteas-choke-again....-SIGH

waynegohl

27-03-2011, 09:06 PM

Do people think that by saying that the nation must get involved that will soften our stance towards the dismal performance of the team or the corruption inside our prisons. Try going into a stadium after hours and you will get thrown in the clank, even if the stadium was built with taxpayers money or it/they were part of the nation. These words are cheap talk thats all.

waynegohl

27-03-2011, 09:09 PM

And theres already a choking thread... http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/321817-Proteas-choke-again....-SIGH

with enough threads they can make a rope and hang from it.I mean look at Kallis it was only a matter of time before he ran (well walked in his case) himself out so maybe it's time he and Graham took the walk now.

wise_guy

27-03-2011, 09:11 PM

I kind of get what he is saying but the fact is that all the top five or six nations in the world are under the same pressure and they are highly paid professionals who should be mentally strong enough to deal with it.

It also doesn't help when the team is in denial constantly refusing to admit publically that the chokers tag bugs them. I'm no psychologist but isn't it better to admit these problems to yourself and your supporters and then to work through them?

In the past that chokers tag seemed to hover unfairly above them,but now it will become etched on their foreheads like a badge to be worn with scorn and remorse.
Now only will they finally admit it and we will never see them utter statements like 'we will never choke' or 'we are no longer chokers'.

mercurial

28-03-2011, 08:40 AM

Don't support them anymore! I don't know why people still went to the airport to welcome them back. F**k them. Smith is hopeless and should be dropped. Kallis is a fat POS and should be dropped. Vetgat is so lazy, just stands and daydreams all the time. What has he done in this WC? That middle order is dodgy. In the past, we could bat comfortably all the way down to 11. Now if the middle order fails, it's just a countdown to when we get bowled out. I really had lots of hope for us this time around. I didn't think we would choke again. It's just a sad joke now. SA will never win the cricket world cup. If they couldn't win it by now, they never will. I'm not supporting or watching them anymore. I'd rather support Bangladesh than SA. At least Bangladesh have guts.

mercurial

28-03-2011, 08:49 AM

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/2/chokers.jpg

waynegohl

28-03-2011, 01:01 PM

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/2/chokers.jpg

HA HA HA post of the decade.

AfricanTech

28-03-2011, 01:19 PM

Don't support them anymore! I don't know why people still went to the airport to welcome them back. F**k them. Smith is hopeless and should be dropped. Kallis is a fat POS and should be dropped. Vetgat is so lazy, just stands and daydreams all the time. What has he done in this WC? That middle order is dodgy. In the past, we could bat comfortably all the way down to 11. Now if the middle order fails, it's just a countdown to when we get bowled out. I really had lots of hope for us this time around. I didn't think we would choke again. It's just a sad choke now. SA will never win the cricket world cup. If they couldn't win it by now, they never will. I'm not supporting or watching them anymore. I'd rather support Bangladesh than SA. At least Bangladesh have guts.

There - fixed it for you

mercurial

28-03-2011, 01:31 PM

superskully

28-03-2011, 01:40 PM

The choke starts from the top.
Not choosing a well balanced team by selectors and inexperienced middle order. Choked
Team selection for match - as we have seen against India/Pakistan series, our tail is the longest, so we needed to play 7 batsmen. We did this in every game (except Bangladesh) and they did not want to drop Botha for Ingram. Choked
Panic set in when we batted - it felt like they just wanted to get it over with and that never works. As opposed to the game against Eng, where we tried to defend our way to 170. Really, just go there play play normally, each ball on merit. Chokers

Kompete

28-03-2011, 03:09 PM

SA cricket sucks balls :(

Hate supporting them in a world cup. Theyre so useless.

Not only do we lose all the time in World Cups, but we train the other sides to beat us :(

Fully agree - they are not just uselss, they lack balls...real nuts

When asked about Donald coaching the NZ bowlers, Smith had the audicity to write him off, saying "things has changed a lot since Donald bowled".

WTF did he think Donald as a coach do not adapt with the times and still thinks this is the 90's. Fck Smith - he is as useless a captain as he is a batsman.:mad:

The reast of the team should all be fired from the 1 day sqaud and compete for a righful place - this thing about a "place for life" in the proteas is what makes us so weak mentally.

Damn I'm pissed off :twisted:

greg0205

28-03-2011, 03:45 PM

Someone said in an earlier post that they were just getting back into Cricket after not watching for a couple of years... Well, that was kinda me too.
I was fanatical about the game but pretty much stopped watching after the Hansie saga in '00. I know many people won't agree with me but, as far as I'm concerned, Hansie is still "my" captain (just like Francois will always be and John has become). I was never really convinced of Sean's captaincy and I've never, never liked Graeme, so watching them never felt like watching "my" team... As a result, getting back into cricket was difficult and it took a long, long time but eventually I managed it.
Anyway, five failures in the knock out stages later, especially this one, have officially made a mockery of the work I've put in to reconnect with this team. My clock has been reset to zero... Maybe I'll be watching again in ten years time, who knows, but it sure doesn't feel like it right now... NZ FFS!
Someone else also posted that they felt sorry for the team. Sorry??? I can't do that. These boys earn millions, throwing, catching and hitting a ball. They earn millions, travel the world, have a team of specialists managing most things for them and then they don't do their job when it really counts!! You watch, Smith and Kallis will be selling themselves as public speakers in the next couple of weeks at R50K a pop... What tragedy!
I've never said it before but the time has now come... CHOKERS!

(rant over)