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[HaZrD]

Taken from www.hellkom.co.za: (Thursday 24 November 2005) <- at the time/date of posting, still on the main page (just scroll down a bit...)

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""I are Rikus! The guy who are knowing what are good for YOU! And everyone els in dis kountrie as a matter of fact being!"

Sigh. Telkom, this time in the form of a formidable looking fellow branded Rikus Matthyser (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/226997-Rikus-Matthyser) or something of similar ilk, is saying that R60 per gigabyte is good value for money and that we should be happy. *cough* ..."...

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OK, I understand that people are upset with Telkom's pricing... I do however think that there are better ways to tackle the problem than defaming a person inside of Telkom who was employed to do a job.

Attacking the company is one thing, but attacking people inside the company is a completely different matter.

I think it's disgusting, childish, stupid and irresponsible.

This is the kind of derogatory CRAP that Telkom employees have to put up with and quite frankly I don't blame Telkom for doing what they currently do, due to misfits and morons that post crap like this!!

With posts such as these, do you HONESTLY think that Telkom should even BOTHER to listen to the end user!?

[Moederloos]

Yes, Telkom SHOULD bother. The posts of one individual (great and fantastic may he be :D ) does not redeem Telkom's behaviour in any way.

[HaZrD]

If your PERSON was attacked because the COMPANY you work for decided to do something - what impression would it create in your mind of the attacker?

Yes, I agree that per GB billing is NOT a good model as it shafts the end user (see post in General ADSL) made by me.

NO, I don't agree that it's just ONE individual - Telkom has had numerous employees attacked, and quite frankly, if I owned Telkom, I'd retaliate. There is *NO* need to climb into someones character "just cuz i'm upset with Telkom"

[mccrack]

Hmmmm .....

Let's rather be nice.

Kill them with kindness as the saying goes ;)

@HaZrd

It's his mentality that is the problem, and apparently this is the mentality that runs through Telkom.

[HaZrD]

NO, we don't have to be "nice" - we can take legal/govermental etc. action - we can fight this in court, we can strike etc.etc.

What we don't want is people attacking PERSONS just because they work for a company we don't agree with...

[mccrack]

Those "persons" accepted those jobs in Telkom and they are up for public scrutiny. Especially if they spew out carp to the media.

Not buying your argument.

[HaZrD]

I agree they accepted the job with all it entails as part of the company.

They did not accept the personal antagonism aimed at them in PERSON however.

It's like saying because you're a priest in the Catholic church, you condone the abuse of alterboys - except in reverse.

As a company representative, you can be made open to slander aimed at the company - this does NOT give anyone the right to attack you as a person!

[lewstherin]

Any major Telkom official needs to realise they WILL be the target of satire...if not because of the crap they themselves speak, then because of the garbage that their employer spews.

Rickus qualified for personal satire based on the crap he himself spewed in recent weeks.

[HaZrD]

Satire is one thing - climbing into someone's character is another. You'd swear people would see that thin little line that was crossed....

[lewstherin]

Telkom crossed the line a long time ago when it decided to abandon the people of this country for $$$.
Any official of Telkom that openly supports this strategy of wholesale economic rape deserves every bit of criticism they receive.
Rickus is such an official, and he deserves far worse than some light sterotyping...if its such a big deal for you HaZrd, take Hellkom to court.
I'm sure MaD is itching to beat down another ludicrous challenge to his freedom of speech and satire.

[Cujo]

Did he wear a jean pant ;)

[MaD]

I think it's disgusting, childish, stupid and irresponsible.Why thank you! *beam*
As mccrack said, its the mentality, it's backward, and hence so is the caption.

Thanks for visiting!

[supersunbird]

Rikus Matthyser, head of marketing for TelkomInternet, emphatically denied the pay-per-usage model would dramatically increase costs.

AND

However, Matthyser insists ordinary consumers will not be negatively affected. He says 96% of Telkom's customer base use an average of 1.4GB, and 4% use very high amounts of gigabytes.

My 3GB was HARDcapped on the 25th when it reached 3GB, so I dont fall in 4% "abusers" side, but in the 1.4GB average, and it affected me negatively, so he is a BIG FAT LIAR, and we can mock his sorry behind all be want!!!

And if I didnt have a account to borrow, I'd have had to buy another Gig or 3 at R100 per gig, thus a dramatic (33%) increase in my costs. Yet ANOTHER lie from him, why cant we mock liars?

[sunsoffun]

HaZrD is your real name - Rikus Matthyser?

[Daaru]

He's not attacking the guy's character, he's calling him a moron for supporting a retarded billing system, he didn't say Rikus is a moron and left it there, he's saying Rikus must a a moron BECAUSE "[he]...is saying that R60 per gigabyte is good value for money ...". Maybe this could have been specified a bit better, but we get the just.

[Sneeky]

HaZrD is your real name - Rikus Matthyser?
ROFL
I read that on Hellkom over a week ago and I still laugh at it, cause it beats crying every time having to listen to the cr@p that the Telkom drones puke out every time they get challenged.
I honestly don’t know how these people live with themselves, and I still wonder if Vapi didn’t bugger off because of all the flak he was taking for the press releases he was making.

Theres a saying that the people are ‘as responsible’ for their governments actions as the government themselves, cause they the people voted them in power.
I see no reason why this should not also apply to employees of a company that knowingly talk **** because the 'company' says so, although they know its bull.
I feel no rousing need to be nice to people that rob me blind every month.
Well done Hellkom

[Daaru]

BTW:
[QUOTE=supersunbird]However, Matthyser insists ordinary consumers will not be negatively affected. He says 96% of Telkom's customer base use an average of 1.4GB, and 4% use very high amounts of gigabytes. [QUOTE]

Like apartheid, Just because the average user is strapped by a 3GB cap and opts to only use 1.4GBs doesn't make it right.

Do you know the amount of information that other people in other countries get to deal with? we're limited and this holds us back, it prevents us from developing to a thier level. Knowledge is power., limit information, you limit knowledge, limit knowledge and you limit power, do you think that Dictators will grant internet access openly as 1st world countries do or limit it like telkom is doing?

[arf9999]

I must say that I understand what HaZrD is saying, and it isn't very nice to be personal in your attacks on Telkom. But f#ck it, Rikus asked for it with the most moronic statements possible. It's one thing to have to toe the company line, it is something completely different when you spout lies and misinformation.

BTW HaZrD, I have a vowel for you.;)

[vbtechie]

Ad hominem attacks are always an indication that your argument lacks merit. In this case, attacking Telkom for their underhand way of bypassing price regulation and backing down on their deal with certain ISPs has merit.

So, then the personal attack indicates a lack of thought on the part of the attacker.

I think we should be accurate in our claims, use correct spelling and grammar, and continue to attack Telkom on every legal and moral issue but remain polite and refrain from personal attacks and libel.

This is an important issue for the good of our country, not a forum for vulgarians.

[JStrike]

vbtechie : I agree wholeheartedly

[MaD]

Ah well there's always one or two people who will be upset. Tough tekkie ou pel.

[sunsoffun]

There are two way you can break news to the public.... the normal way, and then the Telkom way.

So many lies have come out of those peoples mouths that work for that company, and I'm sorry but if a person does not have personal etiquette then he deserve a remark thrown his way every once in a while. If my company had to tell me lie to the public like that, I would have a bit of backbone and tell them exactly what to do with themselves.

That is what makes Telkom, Telkom. A simple example that this type of attitude runs through the whole company would be when I ordered ADSL. I like many other people got the usually story... no ports available, when you know that this person is lying to your face... its almost like its company policy.

Just my thoughts on the matter

[Nick333]

I agree they accepted the job with all it entails as part of the company.

They did not accept the personal antagonism aimed at them in PERSON however.

It's like saying because you're a priest in the Catholic church, you condone the abuse of alterboys - except in reverse.

As a company representative, you can be made open to slander aimed at the company - this does NOT give anyone the right to attack you as a person!

If a priest in the Catholic church openly defended the abuse of alterboys then i would think that he has opened himself up to personel attacks and abuse.

PS: *(&^ Rikus hes an *(&hole.

[Peter_J]

vbtechie eruditely ( er.. the Latin bit! ) said:


Ad hominem attacks are always an indication that your argument lacks merit.

I do take the point, but:

- Corporations are made of people. Some corporations have visible spokespersons. Some corporations employ pawpaws. Sometimes these are the same. It is the people who create the policies. Rikus de Prikus ( Peter_J also can speak Latin! ) is "TelkomInternet head of marketing" allegedly. As such he should have a clue about what his customers want, and should be fighting for those customers within the Telkom hierarchy, to satisfy said customers, thereby making money, being a good capitalist etc etc. Telkom's constant habit of themselves deciding what is good for the customer is just like the Nat apartheid government deciding what was good for the black man. Telkom only get away with it because it is legislated.

- If you were going to attack the Nazis, Adolf would have ( personally ) been a good place to start. Or is Rikus merely "following orders"?

- Subjecting ( real ) people to ridicule is pretty effective, especially when they take a "leadership" role and make decisions that affect us all. Go look for websites about "The Sayings of George W Bush". Ridicule can be very subversive. Want to try any of Manto's olive-oil-and-lemon-juice diet? In our state-of-adsl in SA we need all the subversion we can get! ( But no violence please! )

- SOME people just wear "Kick Me" signs on their backs. ;)

All of this IMHO. Peter_J does not want another of those flame wars that are getting increasingly popular on these forums ( or would that be "fora"? ).

PS the arguments have so many merits, but it helps sometimes to take a different angle.

[daevor]

I think we should be accurate in our claims,

Please can you tell me where on Hellkom an inaccurate statement is made? I'm sure MaD will be only too happy to fix it.



use correct spelling and grammar,

Hellkom was *poking fun* at the Rickus dude for being an @rsehole, of which the incorrect grammar was integral to... jeez, if this needs to be explained to you then you're probably never going to understand it.



and continue to attack Telkom on every legal and moral issue

We're all with you on this one!



but remain polite

Ok: Ricky old boy, with all due respect, you're a f___ing @rsehole.
Do you think that's maybe a bit too polite, or is the politeness pitched at the correct level? :rolleyes:



and refrain from personal attacks and libel.

Sorry. Can't accomodate you here: when someone's an @rsehole, s/he must expect to be called such.



This is an important issue for the good of our country,

Absolutely!



not a forum for vulgarians.

Yeah, HaZrD, I hope you listening (reading). :p
In any case, the original alleged vulgurous message was posted on hellkom.co.za, not mybroadband.co.za, so I'm not sure what you talking about.. :confused:

Regards,
D

[VJB 449]

'Rikus de Prikus' LOL!! Well said!

Go Hellkom!!

[crbuys]

Hi all,

This debate is really not about Telkom or Hellkom or whether employees should be thrown with tomatoes because of what their employers do.

It is about freedom of speech.

Online discussion boards that allow anonymous posts (like MyADSL) are the high water mark of free expression. Recent court judgments protect the anonymous nature of online speech and even allow so-called complaint sites (e.g. Hellkom and Neverflysaa.com).

Sure, freedom of expression is not absolute. But its borders are clear - defamation, hate speech and child porn are the borders. That is where freedom of speech starts to infringe on another's dignity.

Nothing and nobody who tries to limit our online freedoms should get away with it.

With freedom comes responsibility. Those that abuse free speech rights by crossing the line, do a disfavour to us all.

Regards,

[TheREV]

It's like saying because you're a priest in the Catholic church, you condone the abuse of alterboys - except in reverse.


Mmmm. you mean the alterboys (sic) can now abuse the Catholic priests?:p

[MaD]

With freedom comes responsibility. Those that abuse free speech rights by crossing the line, do a disfavour to us all.I agree.

[antowan]

There is *NO* need to climb into someones character "just cuz i'm upset with Telkom"

Out of what do you think this company exists? Machines? If you come out in public as a representative of Telkom to say dumb things you must expect people to be a little disgruntled. What Rikus said was dumb! Period. Full stop. Exclamation mark.

Decisions at Telkom aren't made by bricks and mortar but by people. The same goes for government. There is a certain line you cross when you come out to speak to the public and put what is in your head into the public domain. You open it up to public scrutiny. Yes some people do go overboard with the retorts at some of the VERY laughable things Telkom employees say but I understand where it is coming from.

The truth is that the corporate culture in Telkom is totally corrupted and vile! I am sure there are very good people working there who are just doing their jobs, but when that job entails hurting my country, myself and people around me then I get worked up something terrible! Telkom can count its lucky stars that there haven't been any riots yet! It is coming believe me. At some point the poorest of the poor are going to dismantle that company brick by brick if Telkom doesn't catch a wakeup soon! VERY SOON!

Dumb statements by Telkom reps are bound to be slated and IMO "good job!" to the people who do slate these sometimes amazingly stupid remarks!

I do however also urge people to keep it smart and keep it civil.

And to the Telkom decision makers, please stop telling your customers what they need and instead give us what we want for a change. We bloody well know what we need thank you VERY much!

[HaZrD]

Ahh man - after reading all of this I have only the following to say...

If Telkom comes out and makes a statement that we don't agree upon (such as "the country's ADSL users WANT a price increase", then yes, by all means, attack the statement any way you can - because it's untrue - but attack the STATEMENT.

Why attack the person who made the statement !? that's like shooting the delivery boy who gave you the wrong pizza, instead of taking action against the company who took the order, or the department that made the pizza incorrectly.

With all of this "we hate Telkom" talk, it seems the people on this forum will stop at nothing to gain some time in the spotlight (that's all it really is - "I make a statement that p's Telkom off, they get upset and try to sue me, I get my mugshot on Carte Blanche")

It's the wrong angle people - the WRONG ANGLE!

Attack what was said - not the person who had the job of saying it!

[HaZrD]

And to the Telkom decision makers, please stop telling your customers what they need and instead give us what we want for a change. We bloody well know what we need thank you VERY much!

I could not agree more!

[HaZrD]

And to the Telkom decision makers, please stop telling your customers what they need and instead give us what we want for a change. We bloody well know what we need thank you VERY much!

In fact, I agree so much that we post it twice :)

If anyone from Telkom is reading this - all the gripes, b!tches and moaning pretty much boils down to this one quote... (the other gripes that aren't included in this, boils down to pricing - but then again, you know this!!!)

[MaD]

Why attack the person who made the statement !? that's like shooting the delivery boy who gave you the wrong pizza, instead of taking action against the company who took the order, or the department that made the pizza incorrectly.No no no noooooo your scenario is all wrong! The delivery boy doesn't decide that one pizza fits all and that the price is 5 times higher than anywhere else in the world. He also isn't the head of pizza marketing and says that people only ever eat 3 slices because they're too scared to eat all 8 because they will have to buy another pizza.

I fail to see the issue here, people are talked about often here on MyADSL yet you keep quiet then, but when a tongue-in-cheek post is put up on Hellkom you lose your marbles and throw your toys. Why the sensitivity?

It wasn't an attack on Rikus - you would know what an attack is trust me, that's nothing compared to the colourful words which were thrown around here when writing those comments.

[Kropotkin]

Ad hominem attacks are always an indication that your argument lacks merit. In this case, attacking Telkom for their underhand way of bypassing price regulation and backing down on their deal with certain ISPs has merit.Your use of the (much overused) phrase "ad hominem" is wrong.

An ad hominem argument goes like this: You say the argument of your opponent is flawed because he is a moron \ a*shole \ *****nut.

In this case an argument was made by Mr Matthyser and because of his perceived bad argument he was called a moron. So it is not an ad hominem attack on his argument.

A true ad hominen could go something like this: Rikus Matthyser is a moron and therefore any statement he makes is wrong.

[Daaru]

Why attack the person who made the statement !? that's like shooting the delivery boy who gave you the wrong pizza, instead of taking action against the company who took the order, or the department that made the pizza incorrectly.


I see your arguement, but I have to go with MaD here, Rikus not only is the delivery boy, but as the head of marketing, he's the guy that decides on the pizza. He chooses to have a different pizza delivered to your order as in his opinion you'll 'like' the other one more.

Any Delivery guy that MAKES and DELIVERS a pizza different to the one I ordered will not get paid, and if this was a food monopoly and this pizza was my only source of food and I had to pay else I wouldn't get any more food deliveries; he will get crapped on, big chunky ones.


A true ad hominen could go something like this: Rikus Matthyser is a moron and therefore any statement he makes is wrong.

After thinking about this and in light of recent comments would prove that ad hominen holds true: "Rikus Matthyser IS a moron and therefore any statement he makes is wrong".

[Kropotkin]

After thinking about this and in light of recent comments would prove that ad hominen holds true: "Rikus Matthyser IS a moron and therefore any statement he makes is wrong".Hehe, true, but unfortunately it's not a valid form of argument :p

[craigsa]

Maybe by defaming and insulting these idiots at Telkom they will listen as they don't listen to anything else.

[st3ve]

yeah and we could post him on hotornot.com to see if he's an ugly SOB too!

I'm capped again (even though I haven't hit my abusage for the month) but I did manage to find this on Telkom's website:


Recognising Excellent Performance

The main aim of Telkom's reward and recognition programme is to recognize and reward those employees who display exceptional behaviour - those employees who do much more than what is expected of them by increasing customer satisfaction and company performance

It's you isn't it HaZrd, you're looking to get a noddy badge aren't you?

[Moederloos]

by increasing customer satisfaction and company performance

Since both are measured in price, these would be mutually exclusive.

[antowan]

Not if the prices came down and more customers came on board. Moederloos.

There are very advanced pricing models that make much more financial sense to a company, even a monopoly. People are forgetting that Telkom is not in the business of manufacturing cars. We should ask ourselves why they then price their service at a monthly fee equal to that of an installment on a small car. It is simply insane!

If the prices came down more customers would come on board which, if managed correctly could keep Telkom's revenue up. They don't because they are acting like the old style monopolies. No new thinking is coming into the company that isn't benefitial to them managing their monopoly 1st.

The government should wake up! YES MINISTER I AM TALKING TO YOU MADAM!

Deregulate the industry, allow fair and open access to the telecoms market and then see how Telkom starts waking up! Not one SNO! We need as many as the market itselfs decides to handle. Prices will come down in a flash and you will allow this economy to jump into overdrive.

But customers satisfaction and company performance can go hand in hand if a competative environment is attained.

In the meantime though Moderloos is right. As long as Telkom is protected by the government, the longer the two will be mutually exclusive...

[antowan]

The following question is a serious one. Am I the only person who thinks the minister has gotten some very shoddy communist training and is leaning heavily on the doctrine of "government controll is better than the free market"?

I seriously get the impression she got some very bad training somewhere that is now stuck in her mind and she is completely convinced what she is doing (by not allowing the rapid deregulation of the telecoms market) is right and that she should not be worried at all...

[WynandB]

If someone works for Telkom they're endorsing Telkom's actions as a company!

If someone was a civil servant in Nazi Germany, you would almost certainly agree that such a person was culpable.

Telkom's employees, as well as their investors are supporting a company that they know is essentially stealing from the public.

Telkom's employees can minimise public abuse by doing the following:
1. Saying nothing to support Telkom (this is a realistic option).
2. Criticise Telkom (this is probably not in the best interest of the employees).

And Hazard - Telkom WILL listen to the end user regardless of how much (deserved) abuse is hurled at them. This is the price they're paying for the unfair abuse to which they subject us and for a monopoly which does NOT have our blessing.

There is NOTHING that Telkom can do right in the public eyes except to file for bankruptcy. It's as simple as that.

[Daaru]

@antowan, IMHO, she is a communist or a control-freak or both. I believe this due to her views against free market.

[Kropotkin]

Hey, stop knocking the communists or I'll have to go into diatribe mode :D

[ShaunSA]

Quote of the Day :D


It's you isn't it HaZrd, you're looking to get a noddy badge aren't you?

[Moederloos]

I seriously get the impression she got some very bad training somewhere that is now stuck in her mind


In her what?

[HaZrD]

It's you isn't it HaZrd, you're looking to get a noddy badge aren't you?

Let's put it this way - when i started with this whole ISP thing, I got so upset with Telkom, that I ended up phoning Mr. Clark himself and complaining about the service - i think that p'd him off so much that 3 days later i had a whole Telkom fleet installing a single 64k diginet... (i phoned him late friday morning, they pitched monday morning)...

That was my first impression of Telkom - can't get anything solved for more than 2 months AFTER their original installation date which was already 2 months after the first fax went in - only way out : phone management directly.

I don't think it's just a Telkom problem - ADT/SAA/Kulula/Pick 'n Pay home shopping/Multichoice/Spur (who never seems to get my order straight) the list just goes on and on and on - it's a "proud to be apathetic" south african issue - suppose we need to start somewhere, and Telkom seems to be that start (post-previous-goverment of course)

It's sad to think we live in a country where crime is joked about openly on the media, the police say that the safety of mall goers are not up to them, the 2IC of the government is labeled a fraudster/rapist, the restuarants and bars don't understand "only 3 blocks of ice please" and either burn or undercook my meat, the country's main airline strikes for days to cripple the tourist industry, and to top it all off, the bank spells my name wrong after giving them a copy of my ID book and SARS still hasn't sent me any paperwork for the past financial year!!!

The only way to get service in this country is by phoning up management directly (escalation doesn't work) - now you might say, but I don't have Papi's number - remember EasyInfo!? - anyways... instead of phoning the help desk, why not phone management directly, or even better, organise a march with all the disgruntled people to TTN/TTS/NBSC/NNOC whatever, and hand-deliver each complaint....

(i still like the idea of a end-user telecoms strike... but then again, we tried that with cellphone prices and i think a total of 4 people went on strike - so actually the companies turn around and go "see, it's only a small group who don't like the prices, we'll keep them the same until there's mass movements")

ok - nuff complaining... the way to tackle this problem is to actually DO something about it - not by climbing into someones character. And this has been my point all along.

[HaZrD]

And Hazard - Telkom WILL listen to the end user regardless of how much (deserved) abuse is hurled at them. This is the price they're paying for the unfair abuse to which they subject us and for a monopoly which does NOT have our blessing.

There is NOTHING that Telkom can do right in the public eyes except to file for bankruptcy. It's as simple as that.

OK, HOW will Telkom listen? Correct me if i'm wrong, but everyone is complaining about the fact that Telkom is not listening - so HOW will this happen? By us badgering them? I think not. Read my previous post - Telkom will listen when MASSES amounts of people say the same thing - to their faces in UNITY!!! i wouldn't listen to a bunch of people who just complain and then attack my employees - i'd ignore the hell out of them and probably end up doing the opposite of what they want.

As for Telkom going bankrupt - not smart - they have way too much infrastructure to just waste on closing their doors - we need to engage them en mass and change things!!

Did nobody learn anything from the movement a few years ago? The only way we can do this is if we unite - not by slander and making derogatory comments!

[WynandB]

HaZrD, I'm not sure I understand your arguments. Masses of people ARE saying to Telscum in one deafening chorus: "YOUR SERVICE IS BAD AND YOUR PRICES ARE UNACCEPTABLY HIGH. LOWER YOUR PRICES TO INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED LEVELS AND PROVIDE SOME DECENT SERVICE".

What are Hellkom.co.za and MyBroadband.co.za other than unified efforts? What more do you want? Short of staging a coup, we cannot do anything.

The laws in this country are changing slowly but surely and there will be a time when Telscum will be punished for its thievery. That is why they have no choice but to start listening.

They don't have the luxury of ignoring us. They're forced on us. They know they deserve the abuse that is hurled at them. They are damaging the economy to the degree that it is harming everyone.

As for attacking employees - Rikus is a buffoon not because he works for Telscum (although there is a case to be made that all Telscum employees are to a degree corrupt, since if they weren't, they would not have applied for work at Telscum), but because he made a truly idiotic and Orwellian statement. He was trying to convince us that R60/gig is a good deal.

Oh and for bankruptcy, fortunately most of the infrastructure doesn't REALLY belong to Telscum, because it was paid for with tax money. There would be no problem selling the infrastructure to real companies.

There was no slander - Rikus really is a moron. He could have kept his mouth shut and then nobody would have called him the moron that he has obviously shown himself to be.

[MaD]

the way to tackle this problem is to actually DO something about it - not by climbing into someones character.Who did that? I surely didn't, don't even know the man.

[Ivork]

If a person talks a load of sh*t and blatant lies, regardless of who he is or what company he works for, I will take no objection into anyone climbing into that persons character - which obviously isn't worth much to begin with in any event!

[st3ve]

If a person talks a load of sh*t and blatant lies, regardless of who he is or what company he works for, I will take no objection into anyone climbing into that persons character - which obviously isn't worth much to begin with in any event!

zackly

[HaZrD]

HaZrD, I'm not sure I understand your arguments. Masses of people ARE saying to Telscum in one deafening chorus: "YOUR SERVICE IS BAD AND YOUR PRICES ARE UNACCEPTABLY HIGH. LOWER YOUR PRICES TO INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED LEVELS AND PROVIDE SOME DECENT SERVICE".

What are Hellkom.co.za and MyBroadband.co.za other than unified efforts? What more do you want? Short of staging a coup, we cannot do anything.


I can't help look at the movements in the past (we need to learn somewhere), where people walked the streets and went to parlaiment buildings and spoke to the powers that be - funny - things changed!

We're using the tools that Telkom gave us (and paying for it) to do what!? Set up a few blogs on the net that will by some miracle sort the problem out? We really have learned NOTHING from the past.

Maybe it's time we DID stage a coup or at least organise a legal end-user strike where each of us take our Telkom bills and march up to the monopoly and hand over 15,000 of them to Papi... THAT is unity...

Writing anonymous blurbs on BBS-like interfaces is like farting in the wind or drinking 10 litres of petrol just to p*ss on their campfire! It has the same effect as a flea climbing an elephants leg with the intent of rape! One flea here, one flea there, no fleas EVERYWHERE...

Now... if 15,000 fleas pitched up at the elephants doorstep all at the same time.... different story...

[HaZrD]

He was trying to convince us that R60/gig is a good deal.


Here is another issue you don't seem to grasp... You want the R60/GB lowered... HUH!? WTF!? Even if they make it R30/GB you're STILL going to lose out - due to usage based billing...

Rather fight for a flat fee than a Per GB fee!!

Am I the only sane person here!? Could some financial wizards and/or economists please tell me what's wrong with a flat fee model? (for the end-user that is... I know flat models don't work well for companies).

[HaZrD]

If a person talks a load of sh*t and blatant lies, regardless of who he is or what company he works for, I will take no objection into anyone climbing into that persons character - which obviously isn't worth much to begin with in any event!

Attack the ISSUE - in other words : rip apart what was SAID - don't rip the person apart!!!

Anyone ever have debates at their educational institutes?

[antowan]

Here is another issue you don't seem to grasp... You want the R60/GB lowered... HUH!? WTF!? Even if they make it R30/GB you're STILL going to lose out - due to usage based billing...

Rather fight for a flat fee than a Per GB fee!!



If there was competition in SA we wouldn't have to fight for jack nothing! Companies would impliment it and people would flock to them away from Telkom. Telkom would be forced to wake up and do something even better for the consumer to lure them back and so it goes...

BUT GOVERNMENT IS TOO FLAKY to do anything to boost competition. Telkom is to wrapped in the Billions it makes to care about their fellow men and women in this country.

OUR ONLY HOPE IS PROPER COMPETITION BUT WE ARE CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD PLACE!!!!

The people who are aware of how Telkom is shafting South Africans are unfortunately the informed and educated at the moment. This is changing quickly and when it does those protests will happen with all the force in the world if Telkom doesn't wake up soon...

Perhaps that is governments aim. Perhaps government doesn't want the poor and the ignorant informed and educated... :(

Informed and educated people complain more, see?

[bekdik]

He's not attacking the guy's character, he's calling him a moron for supporting a retarded billing system, he didn't say Rikus is a moron and left it there, he's saying Rikus must a a moron BECAUSE "[he]...is saying that R60 per gigabyte is good value for money ...". Maybe this could have been specified a bit better, but we get the just.

Rikus is a moron. Oops, I almost have said arsehole.

[The_Librarian]

In his book "A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" Solzhenitzyn wrote "A man who is warm, cannot understand a man who is cold".

Maybe it is time for Rikus and company to experience what we are struggling with, so that they can understand why we are complaining so much.