SANDF Military Veterans Registration

[Crabby]

Hi all

Anyone know anything about registration for military veterans from the SANDF.

Apparently there was a discussion about it on Radio Algoa that I missed and I can't find out any info about it.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Picard]

Veterans?!

Bwawawawa!

[waynegohl]

Saw something in the paper a few days ago

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/magazines_001-2.jpg

Some of us did 2 yrs service.

[MickeyD]

Saw something in the paper a few days ago
Some of us did 2 yrs service.
Plus a good few years of "camps"!!

[waynegohl]

Place a good few years of "camps"!!

did not do camps myself but did my 2 yr stint.

[Ol' Mean Bastid]

shouldn't it read the former SADF?

[MickeyD]

shouldn't it read the former SADF?
100% correct.

Pre-1994 = SADF.

[Crabby]

From what I understand, the governement has decided to give MK veterans a pension stipend. The DA raised a stink about it and now all ex MK or SADF members are allowed to register.

As a ex troopie for 6 years - a lump sum payout sounds nice.

[greg0205]

I would presume this applies to permanent force members only... Not so sure there's enough "pension" money to go around for every national serviceman...

[Wimhotep]

Any one have more info regarding "pensions" for servicemen who did only 2 years prior to 1994 ??

[MickeyD]

http://www.parliament.gov.za/live/commonrepository/Processed/20110127/317616_1.pdf

‘‘military veteran’’ means any South African citizen who—
(a) rendered military service to any of the military organisations, statutory and non-statutory, which were involved on all sides of South Africa’s Liberation War from 1960 to 1994;
(b) served in the Union Defence Force before 1961; or
(c) became a member of the new South African National Defence Force after 1994, and has completed his or her military training and no longer performs military service, and has not been dishonourably discharged from that military organisation or force;




BTW: even the New Age are saying this Military Veteran's Bill is a total mess!!! http://www.thenewage.co.za/12067-1007-53-Makwetla_must_take_responsibility_for_Military_Vet s_Bill_DA

[Wimhotep]

Does that mean i am entitled to a pension even if I was only a normal "troopie" and did not join permanent force ?

[MickeyD]

Does that mean i am entitled to a pension even if I was only a normal "troopie" and did not join permanent force ?
Yes, BUT you will have to undergo a "means" test.

[Wimhotep]

Where or who do i contact regarding this, any idea ?

[MickeyD]

Where or who do i contact regarding this, any idea ?

http://www.milmod.co.za/

[Wimhotep]

thanks for the input , much appreciated

[MickeyD]

thanks for the input , much appreciated
Believe me, I also have a vested interest in this!!
From what I have read, there is a big mess up with the registration process. I'm going to contact my old unit in PE (Prince Alfred's Guard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Alfred's_Guard) and ask what is happening.

[2old4this]

Will I get paid - as a volunteer?

[Christine Hyman]

Hi there. Were you able to find out something more about the registration process as I it seems that one can not go in any website of theirs to get the necessary forms.

Thanx
Christine

[Palimino]

Plus a good few years of "camps"!!

And parades. They were much more relaxed about long hair provided you did not flaunt it (I had a short-hair wig).

[McSack]

Looks like a whole lot more wasted time and effort than it's worth

[Jase]

I never thought of myself as a veteran! :p

[kukiinistad]

contact the chairman of the military veterens organisation of sa chairman@cmvo.org
there's currently a petition for the Bill not to be amended to exclude certain previous sandf members
i'm sure he'll be able to answer all questions

[cornishrex_rules]

http://www.milmod.co.za/

MickeyD this web page is blank, is it correct?

[Jase]

Correct; with the words "CUMA ISENG" in the middle of the page at the top (which google translates from indonesian as 'Just for Fun')

[peanut]

READ HERE http://sadf.info/Scam%20Pension%20Notice.html

[MickeyD]

READ HERE http://sadf.info/Scam%20Pension%20Notice.html
Thanks

[MickeyD]

MickeyD this web page is blank, is it correct?
Worked backed then, but I see that even if you follow the "ministry" link here: http://www.dod.mil.za/ that it bombs out!!!

[Trevor Kolbie]

I have registered but have moved and have a new contact number, is there any place where you can update your personal and contact details?

[waynegohl]

I got a phone call from a friend this morning telling me to look into this because he was told about it yesterday from someone else. I did not realize at the time we already had a thread on the forum about this and I did not ask him if the guy who told him had signed up but he did mention R2000.00 a month and a once off payment of R65 000.00.

[MickeyD]

Hi folks, update via my unit: http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/cmvo-military-veterans-registration-559.aspx

Form: http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/images/MIL%20VET%20REG%20FORM%20UPDATABLEG7_distributed.p df

[KalMaverick]

Can anyone tell me what this is about?

My dad asked me to find out as the neighbour told him about it, should he register or what?

[waynegohl]

I was just looking for the thread.

Ok they were on Morning Live this morning and according to the dude we have to personally go it to register and anyone who was in the service BEFORE 1994 can apply for benefits.

I was looking for more info online this morning but the guy said we have until the 13th of this month which is next week.

I have just found my army ID card.

[ponder]

Three people I know went to go register last week Thur/Fri.

[waynegohl]

Three people I know went to go register last week Thur/Fri.

Do you know what all was involved, I want to phone the base tomorrow to see what they need and hours I can go register.

[ponder]

Do you know what all was involved, I want to phone the base tomorrow to see what they need and hours I can go register.

They just went there with their ID books and their details were confirmed. Just like the army they got told 'f*kk*l' and left with no info except that they will now be registered. For what they are still none the wiser :D

[waynegohl]

They just went there with their ID books and their details were confirmed. Just like the army they got told 'f*kk*l' and left with no info except that they will now be registered. For what they are still none the wiser :D

It's on a "need to know basis", and we DON'T need to know it seems.

[Freshy-ZN]

I too hears a rumour and ignored it due to lack of verifiable info. Then my cousin phoned me to say he knows 3 people who went to register and that he would be going the next day. I asked him to let me know. He calle dme back to say he had been to the old Drill Hall in Old Fort Road, Durban and there were tables and people manning them. Apparently they took your details down and thats about all.

Based on his info I am going to go have a look for myself on Monday. I find it amazing that there is no official information!

[waynegohl]

It would be interesting to hear what happens after you register. Do we register then NOTHING???

[Freshy-ZN]

Well if this whole thing is true then I cant see how they can hold us to a deadline that isnt exactly being made known.

[waynegohl]

Well if this whole thing is true then I cant see how they can hold us to a deadline that isnt exactly being made known.

They keeping it on the DL because they don't want too many pale faces applying.

[Nicodeamus]

My father served 12 years in the military and hasn't received a single cent from them since he left. I would appreciate it if anyone can give me any info on where about to go for it.

[waynegohl]

Guys there is an advert about it on tv tonight on the sabc channels I am trying to get the info but guys keep a look out for it and post it please. Just saw it during the show The Mentalist.

[abzo]

Snip

Can't believe no one said anything. You military guys really are disciplined! :wtf:

[waynegohl]

This is a bit like Public Participation. The Powers That Be, take out adverts in local newspapers asking for Public Participation on a certain issue but they place the advert amongst the comics section or somewhere amongst the classified section so it's easily overlooked. When the poo hits the fan because Joe Soap and Joe Moor cry foul as they were not consulted, TPTB turn around and say "but we advertised it in the local bulletins, and it's not our fault people don't read the paper".

maybe this is a similar issue and they have 1 tv advert (which I saw WITHOUT my glasses on), and a guy on Morning Live 2 days ago right before cut off time.

[MickeyD]

Can't believe no one said anything. You military guys really are disciplined! :wtf:
Here was my reply - fill in form and send it online via the inserted hyperlink.


Hi folks, update via my unit: http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/cmvo-military-veterans-registration-559.aspx

Form: http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/images/MIL%20VET%20REG%20FORM%20UPDATABLEG7_distributed.p df

[waynegohl]

Here was my reply - fill in form and send it online via the inserted hyperlink.

MickeyD, The guy on Morning Live 2 days ago said that the online forms are not allowed and that we have to personally go to the units to fill out the info.

[MickeyD]

MickeyD, The guy on Morning Live 2 days ago said that the online forms are not allowed and that we have to personally go to the units to fill out the info.
I'll follow up as to the success of my old application....

[waynegohl]

I'll follow up as to the success of my old application....

I am also trying to get info my side I sent a message to Leeanne Manas from Morning Live but have had no reply.

[ToxicBunny]

I must get some more info on this for my old man and my uncle actually.

[abzo]

Here was my reply - fill in form and send it online via the inserted hyperlink.

I meant about her surname :p

[dualmeister]

So if I like served in the Free State and Pretoria, I can register at say Wingfield?

[waynegohl]

So if I like served in the Free State and Pretoria, I can register at say Wingfield?

I want to phone Wingfield as that is where we left from and maybe go Monday morning if I can.

[dualmeister]

For sure. They owe me something for taking away 18 months of my life :erm:

[MickeyD]

For sure. They owe me something for taking away 18 months of my life :erm:
2 years + about 12 months for camps....

I'm registering more as a "silent protest".

[BTTB]

Plus a good few years of "camps"!!
I am going to forward this to my older brother who was 6SAI Infantry as a National Serviceman in Grahamstown, who after basics spent the rest of his two years on the border.
Afterwards he became part of the Dukes which is part of RWP who called him up every year for camps, marches and just about any time they needed someone, for the maximum amount of days permissible by law at the time. They got him for every single day, with not even one to spare. I forget now, but after the initial two years, camps comprised a 10 or 12 year full cycle broken down into one and three month camps every two years. This did not include the odd one day march down Adderley Street. My brother was even in Zimbabwe in 1980 when they had their elections. They really messed his family life around, not to mention his career.

I am sure he would he a suitable candidate, I just don't think he would be interested.

[MickeyD]

I am going to forward this to my older brother who was 6SAI Infantry as a National Serviceman in Grahamstown, who after basics spent the rest of his two years on the border.
Afterwards he became part of the Dukes which is part of RWP who called him up every year for camps, marches and just about any time they needed someone, for the maximum amount of days permissible by law at the time. They got him for every single day, with not even one to spare. I forget now, but after the initial two years, camps comprised a 10 or 12 year full cycle broken down into one and three month camps every two years. This did not include the odd one day march down Adderley Street. My brother was even in Zimbabwe in 1980 when they had their elections. They really messed his family life around, not to mention his career.

I am sure he would he a suitable candidate, I just don't think he would be interested.
They left me alone after 1991... and it was very frustrating as you struggled to get out of being called up for a camp. It really stuffed my career around, just as I was starting to climb the ladder.

[dualmeister]

I just ignored being called up for the camps.

[waynegohl]

Tried getting hold of Fort Ikapa in Goodwood and either number does not work or just rings. honed 1023 and they have same number then gave me another number and that was 2 Military Hospital.

[Ghost02]

Does this mean all the guys that served there two years will receive some rebate?

[BTTB]

They left me alone after 1991... and it was very frustrating as you struggled to get out of being called up for a camp. It really stuffed my career around, just as I was starting to climb the ladder.
I did my National Service in 1987/8 and was called up for camps, but managed to get it deferred as I was working for myself at the time and after a couple of years the papers stopped coming. It did stuff up my career I was doing at the time for the reason I was away doing my 2 years when the industry I went into was going through transformation and if you had not had performed, you did not get the licences. Long story, but we all were affected it seems, but none more like my brother.

Just felt so sorry for my brother who was older than myself and went to the army straight after school around 1976. I studied further after School so my call up only started in 1987, funnily enough at the peak of the border war, but also near its end.
After 2 years of National Service and 10 or 12 (cannot remember now) of camps they did not even give my brother a stripe. I suppose they needed someone (troepies) to do their dirty work for them.

Sorry for detracting off topic a bit, but I just want to recall one experience I had when doing my two years.
The latter part of the two years I did at Youngsfield and what got my goat was the unnecessary call up of citizen force members over the December period to come and do guard duty at the camp so that the permanent force members could enjoy their Christmas holidays.
In actual fact this was illegal from what I understand, as a certain quantity of members had to be on duty all year round and the PF members were supposed to take their leave in a staggered fashion and not all at once to balance the numbers.
It was for this reason I lost a lot of respect for the PF members, dragging citizen force members away from their Christmas to increase the unit strength so they could have a nice Christmas holiday, when it was their career and they should be doing it actually.

Oh well, all in the past now.

[waynegohl]

Well it seems they don't want us to sign up for benefits. I know they are flighting the contact details on the SABC channels but I have only seen it once and never got the details. My daughter got a name last night but the number is not working and the last 3 digits we might have wrong. There was mention of Ikapa (old Wingfield base) so I phone and that number in the book and from telkom does not work so I phoned another branch on the premises and got through to another number and he said no they don't do registration there and I must phone the Castle in Cape Town. I phone the Castle and the Sgt there tells me that the numbers he has also does not work and I must email some organization which I have just done.

Let's see what happens now.

[BigAl-sa]

I'll avoid putting my name on any list even though I did more than my fair share. The conspiracy theory in the back of my mind keeps muttering about a "war crimes" register...

[waynegohl]

I'll avoid putting my name on any list even though I did more than my fair share. The conspiracy theory in the back of my mind keeps muttering about a "war crimes" register...

My daughter says they they getting our names on the list because:

1) We are going to war with someone.
2) We getting ready for Dec 21 2012.

[Hemi300c]

I'll avoid putting my name on any list even though I did more than my fair share. The conspiracy theory in the back of my mind keeps muttering about a "war crimes" register...

They cannot do anything if you were a national serviceman as you were acting under orders. They tried this with me during the truth and reconciliation hearings and I didn't even have to go for some things that were done during contacts.

[Crabby]

Anyone know where to look in Cape Town ? I did my 6 years with 6SAI and EP Med command but moved to CT since.

Still trying to find out information on this.

[MickeyD]

Port Elizabeth: Just received confirmation that we can sign up at Prince Alfred's Guard Drill Hall in Central (opposite the old Grand Hotel).

[waynegohl]

Anyone know where to look in Cape Town ? I did my 6 years with 6SAI and EP Med command but moved to CT since.

Still trying to find out information on this.

The guy on TV said Ikapa Base but they know nothing and sent me to the Castle, The Castle no nothing and say the cell number for Tommy van Zyl does not work so gave this email address admin@cmvo.org.

[Crabby]

The guy on TV said Ikapa Base but they know nothing and sent me to the Castle, The Castle no nothing and say the cell number for Tommy van Zyl does not work so gave this email address admin@cmvo.org.

Went looking for Ikapa and found this link - http://westcapenews.com/?p=4510

Says last day for registration at Ikapa was 17th June.

Phoned AMHU Eastern Cape and they are but clueless.

[waynegohl]

Went looking for Ikapa and found this link - http://westcapenews.com/?p=4510

Says last day for registration at Ikapa was 17th June.

Phoned AMHU Eastern Cape and they are but clueless.

The registration advert on tv is still been flighted and according to the guy on morning live in last week they are still registering and the closing date is 13 July 2012. If they closed in June why do they still interview the chap and why only put adverts on tv now. I have never seen an advert on tv at all and according to the pages flying around on the web, they been looking for sign ups since 20111, something smells like fishy paste here.

[grantza]

CAPE TOWN

A number of people have had problems with registration or getting decent info on what to do & where to go.

I have 2 staff members who wish to register. In an attempt to assist i called the various numbers & contacts as advertised with no luck. The castle do not answer calls & one is unable to contact iKapa (goodwood) military base. Nor was i able to get through to a single other advertised number.
In frustration i took a drive to the castle to find out what i could.

So here is the lowdown.
If you are in cape town you can go to the castle itself, room 20 from 9am tomorrow morning. Take id document, force number & proof of address.

[Elimentals]

Intresting bump... thread started when I was out of the country.

6 years PF for me, but something(Little voice) tells me I should just walk on past, maybe its because this process negates what we did when we left. Was in Sysops.

[A Non Blonde]

http://http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/cmvo-military-veterans-registration.aspx (http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/cmvo-military-veterans-registration.aspx)

Perhaps of interest to some.

[MickeyD]

http://http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/cmvo-military-veterans-registration.aspx (http://www.saarmourassociation.co.za/cmvo-military-veterans-registration.aspx)

Perhaps of interest to some.

I am a member and have posted the link, however we may not use the online form as per the hyperlink at the foot of that page. You must physically go to a base and register.

[dualmeister]

CAPE TOWN

A number of people have had problems with registration or getting decent info on what to do & where to go.

I have 2 staff members who wish to register. In an attempt to assist i called the various numbers & contacts as advertised with no luck. The castle do not answer calls & one is unable to contact iKapa (goodwood) military base. Nor was i able to get through to a single other advertised number.
In frustration i took a drive to the castle to find out what i could.

So here is the lowdown.
If you are in cape town you can go to the castle itself, room 20 from 9am tomorrow morning. Take id document, force number & proof of address.

Thanks. No way I have my force number. Im sure the ID no will do ... ?

[A Non Blonde]

I am a member and have posted the link, however we may not use the online form as per the hyperlink at the foot of that page. You must physically go to a base and register.

Whoops my bad, will teach me not to page hop:whistle: - apologies and thank you for the correction. :)

[ponder]

Thanks. No way I have my force number. Im sure the ID no will do ... ?

Yes it will do but take your ID book with.

[waynegohl]

CAPE TOWN

A number of people have had problems with registration or getting decent info on what to do & where to go.

I have 2 staff members who wish to register. In an attempt to assist i called the various numbers & contacts as advertised with no luck. The castle do not answer calls & one is unable to contact iKapa (goodwood) military base. Nor was i able to get through to a single other advertised number.
In frustration i took a drive to the castle to find out what i could.

So here is the lowdown.
If you are in cape town you can go to the castle itself, room 20 from 9am tomorrow morning. Take id document, force number & proof of address.

I phoned the Castle and they new nothing about it and gave me the email address.

I will go tomorrow then with a bus or taxi and see.

[grantza]

I phoned the Castle and they new nothing about it and gave me the email address.

I will go tomorrow then with a bus or taxi and see.

amazed you made contact!!
But as i said, i went to the castle in person late this afternoon and the sgt i spoke to was quite specific about room 20 at the castle itself from 9am tomorrow.

He seemed pretty sure of what he was saying.

[waynegohl]

amazed you made contact!!
But as i said, i went to the castle in person late this afternoon and the sgt i spoke to was quite specific about room 20 at the castle itself from 9am tomorrow.

He seemed pretty sure of what he was saying.

Check my other posts on how I was shunted from pillar to post. I spoke to Sgt Mbala or something and even he said the numbers that were given out did not work and I must email but I will go tomorrow and see.

[Freshy-ZN]

There was a segment on SAFM tonight but I only caught the last minute or two where the guy from the Veterans Ministry was giving a list of bases around the country where you should go. Anybody catch this interview?

[MickeyD]

Thanks. No way I have my force number. Im sure the ID no will do ... ?
I can also confirm (via an employee who went through the process) that most people could not remember their force number and only used their ID books.

[egenis]

I can still remember my force number... but do I want them to remember me?

Where in jhb can we register? Also what benefit do we exactly get out of this? Somehow get the feeling it is intended more for the "comrades" than anything else.

[MickeyD]

Somehow get the feeling it is intended more for the "comrades" than anything else.
Fully agree...

[waynegohl]

It does seem like a half hearted attempt to get people to sign up and I have always wondered if they really want the white ex troops to get on a Benefits roster.

[Crabby]

Am I correct in thinking the only 'benifit' is that if needed we could goto a military hospital?

I'd rather go to a shambolic state hospital.

[waynegohl]

Rock up in town at 8am and sit on the wall at the parade. I see people heading to The Castle and you can see they going to register. About 8.30 I follow a guy in and we head off to room 20. The line runs from inside the building to the outside and might be about 100 people give or take 20 or 30. 9 am rocks up and no one is in sight and door is locked. 10 am rocks up and door is locked and no one in sight. All this time the line has got longer with another 100 or more people there. Two guys rock up with a copier/printer to find the door lock so try to contact the woman and she don't answer. About 10:30 of so we get called out of the building to the car park only to be told THEY NOT REGISTERING us there and we must go to Ikapa from the 16th to the 27th of this month because the people involved are in the Southern and Northern Cape or some nonsense.

Now a few people say they will be money payouts and others say no there is not and they will determine if you qualify for benefits like hospital plans or some nonsense. The Sgt or whoever he was said we must bring our documents with which includes copies of ID's and school reports and business papers etc yet other people who did go to register and were turned away or something from other units showed us papers asking for ID and proof of residence and that's about all.


People are talking about going to the papers about what happened today and the whole run around that is happening.

[waynegohl]

There is a podcast on Cape Talk on the registration process but I don't know how to post it here.

[Thugscub]

Normal hurry up and wait. Money has been stolen by some govt. bastid. So let's dream on.

[Crabby]

There is a podcast on Cape Talk on the registration process but I don't know how to post it here.

Right click where it says download and copy the shortcut. Paste it here.

[MickeyD]

Right click where it says download and copy the shortcut. Paste it here.

http://www.capetalk.co.za/podcast/podcasts.asp

http://www.pod567.co.za/podcast/bestofjohn/20120711TommyVanZyl.mp3

[Freshy-ZN]

The queue at Lords Ground in Durban is hectic this morning.

[waynegohl]

Right click where it says download and copy the shortcut. Paste it here.

I did that but saw MickeyD had just posted above mine so I deleted mine.

Thanks man.

[Ol' Mean Bastid]

based on what I heard on Cape Talk last night I'm not even going to bother

[rush]

I now live in the UK so looks like I luck out

I tried submitting the online form and got this as a response:

The Chairman of the Council of Military Veterans' Organisation of South Africa thanks you for your email.

Due to the huge volume of registration enquiries it will take awhile to respond as we are all volunteers trying to assist you.

All contact forms will be captured and then sent to the Department of Military Veterans for the next registration phase. You do not have to go and register.

The cut off dates mentioned are only due to the fact that the Reserve Force members will be withdrawn at the end of July. Registration will continue for years to come.

Please note there is no R30,000 payout, this is just a rumour.

Should you be interested in receiving a weekly veteran newsletter please send an email to godfrey@ninefoxtrot.org.

Should you wish to join a military veteran organisation you can send an email to nationalpresident@salegion.org

Thank you.


I can remember my force number and my rifle number without even having to think about it.

Om keur!
Nog 'n keur!
Doen dit weer!
Sommer weer!

[Scrappie]

I went today to register for the veterans pension. I went to the nearest military base, asked to see the personnel officer abnd she gave me the forms to be filled in. She even helped me to fill it in. All i had to do was go to my bank and get the bank stamp to verify my banking details. I went back to the base and gave her my forms and went home. She told me that everythiong is going to the HQ in Pretoria for finalizing. I was also told that the cut off date has been moved to 31 July 2012.

[Crabby]

Interesting podcast, thanks Mickey and Wayne.

So Fort Okapa from 16th to the 27th July OH for registration, website for registration is invaild and shouldn't be used.

Sounds like a waste of time unless you're you're really broke on your arse and desperate.

[A Non Blonde]

Sounds like a waste of time unless you're you're really broke on your arse and desperate.

A bit off topic however also beware of possible tax implications - in the event of a monetary benefit by means of a 'monthly pension' it could well mean carrying a tax liability on assessment. I assume that the amount will be basic and probably below the tax threshold - this will result in NIL tax being deducted at source (from the pension)

The 'pension' will however be added to other income on assessment...so, if one is in the 40% tax bracket the end result will be an effective 40% tax on the pension.

One hopes that, if a monthly monetary benefit results, all qualifying individuals will be properly informed of possible tax implications.

[Scrappie]

I went to register this morning and had no problems. I went to my nearest military base and asked to see the personnel officer. She gave me a form to fill in and said i must attach a certified copy of my ID and driver's licence.Then i had to take the form to my bank to fill in my banking details and stamp the form. I took the form back to the base and that was that. The cut off date is extended until the 31st of July. I assume that any military office or base with a personnel officer will do the trick. I don't klow about all the stories people are telling, I'm sharing my experiences with others to help you get something for nothing.

[TirNaNog]

maybe this is a similar issue and they have 1 tv advert (which I saw WITHOUT my glasses on), and a guy on Morning Live 2 days ago right before cut off time.

This made me lol :)
Picturing Wayne squinting to see a military ad... I bet you would have denied ever doing that in future if you were asked as a troepie.

[waynegohl]

This made me lol :)
Picturing Wayne squinting to see a military ad... I bet you would have denied ever doing that in future if you were asked as a troepie.

I need to first put of the tv then take of my glasses not the other way round.

It was worse back in the late 80's and I was not even wearing glasses. I was classified G4 K4 but did afkak a few times but caught on stuff that you wont believe.

[TirNaNog]

Sorry for detracting off topic a bit, but I just want to recall one experience I had when doing my two years.
The latter part of the two years I did at Youngsfield and what got my goat was the unnecessary call up of citizen force members over the December period to come and do guard duty at the camp so that the permanent force members could enjoy their Christmas holidays.
In actual fact this was illegal from what I understand, as a certain quantity of members had to be on duty all year round and the PF members were supposed to take their leave in a staggered fashion and not all at once to balance the numbers.
It was for this reason I lost a lot of respect for the PF members, dragging citizen force members away from their Christmas to increase the unit strength so they could have a nice Christmas holiday, when it was their career and they should be doing it actually.

Oh well, all in the past now.

It was exactly that attitude by the PF that inspired terms such as 'military fools'

[TirNaNog]

I need to first put of the tv then take of my glasses not the other way round.

It was worse back in the late 80's and I was not even wearing glasses. I was classified G4 K4 but did afkak a few times but caught on stuff that you wont believe.

I'd love to hear being an ex Wingfield troepie myself lol. Actually I did training at Wingfield and was finally stationed in Simonstown.

*EDIT* Who else can't shake the notion that they just want to know where you are hiding so they can call you up to a camp? :p

[waynegohl]

I'd love to hear being an ex Wingfield troepie myself lol. Actually I did training at Wingfield and was finally stationed in Simonstown.

I did 6 months in Kimberly then the rest of the 2 years at 11STD in Wynberg just below the Hospital.

edit: sorry MickeyD.

[egenis]

... they just want to know where you are hiding so they can call you up to a camp? :p

Or a peace keeping mission in deep dark Africa...

[TirNaNog]

Sounds like a waste of time unless you're you're really broke on your arse and desperate.

This process AFAIK is to register and be on the database and NOT to apply for benefits. From how I understood the podcast, there is another process still to come where you can apply for benefits. Now I would normally agree and say yes - it's only worth it if you are broke etc, but there may be some people even here who are fine today but unemployed next year. I'd say register now anyway.

That said, the guy interviewed didn't make me very confident with:

"John... you're quite right... we must understand that there's (sic) veterens out there that is (sic) destitute and obviously we would like to assist people like that, John, but as soon as you are in a position where you are self sufficient... there will be no benefit for you as such, John.
...well obviously, as I said, there is a process which the application will go through... and if it's a person who deserves it, they will receive it John"

My gut feel is I would rather any money owning me go to someone who is destitute, but on the flipside, if I find myself without work in a years time, I would not say no to any assistance.

[Ol' Mean Bastid]

also remember that government pensions are really small, as I mentioned yesterday, I'm not going to bother...

this makes for some interesting reading as well

http://www.polity.org.za/article/the-military-veterans-act-of-2011-promising-more-than-can-be-delivered-2012-05-22

[waynegohl]

If this was done last year I could have shares in SANRAL now and eToll.

[MickeyD]

I did 6 years in Kimberly then the rest of the 2 years at 11STD in Wynberg just below the Hospital.

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[waynegohl]

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ha ha ha it was a long 6 months, sorry I edited it.

[TirNaNog]

Blixem... those basic training days seemed to take forever lol

[waynegohl]

Blixem... those basic training days seemed to take forever lol

fark me I missed mummy.

[waynegohl]

Just heard that a guy went to register 3 weeks ago and showed them he lost a finger in the war so they told him he be getting a once off payment of R11 000.00 but I am not sure how true it is as he has not been paid yet and will keep on with him to hear if it is true.

[dualmeister]

11STD's in Wynberg just below the Hospital

Is that where the hookers used to hand out :p

[waynegohl]

Is that where the hookers used to hand out :p

What can I say, maybe that's why we were posted to the camp near the hospital.

[wily me]

Military vets: Registration deadline extended
Military veterans have until July 31 to register and benefit from R1,6 billion made available to those who have served the country.


http://www.looklocal.co.za/looklocal/content/en/polokwane/polokwane-news-general?oid=5872270&sn=Detail&pid=4730438&Military-vets--Registration-deadline-extended

[waynegohl]

Someone somewhere is counting on people not registering for some reason. This so called registration drive is one massive joke. Why do some sites online give you an online form and others say no it is illegal? Why do some people walking around at the Castle on Wednesday morning have a 1 page form when there is a rumour going round that you need other forms and your underpants size? There seems to be a database with names on and you/they need to see if you FIRSTLY are on the database and SECONDLY if you qualify for benefits but the way they are doing this exercise is just confusing the matter more.

[A Non Blonde]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26765%3aminister-must-account-for-military-veterans-database-registration-chaos&catid=111%3asa-defence&Itemid=242


Opposition Democratic Alliance (DA) Shadow Deputy Minister of Defence and Military Veterans Shahid Esau says defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula will have to answer to Parliament for a shambolic military veterans registration drive and the confusion it has caused among affected members of the South African public.

“Today is the deadline for the completion of the military veterans registration process initiated by the Department of Military Veterans. Military veterans need to be registered in order to be able to later apply for benefits, subject to a poverty means test.

“On a visit yesterday to one of the registration points, Fort iKapa in Goodwood, I discovered that registration at that site had been closed on June 17. This is almost a full month before the deadline for registration. I was also informed that registration would be opening again from July 16-27. This information has not been distributed by the Department and has served to create further confusion for military veterans and their families,” Esau said.

“It seems that similar problems have been experienced at registration points across the country.”

This process has been characterised by a range of problems, including a lack of a clear public awareness campaign. “Apart from the television campaign, there has been little else done to provide military veterans with information,” Esau says. There has also been a complete lack of communication from the department, as well as the listed contact personnel, when veterans tried to contact it for information and no steps were taken, such as the establishment of a centralised call centre, to manage the large number of queries from members of the public;
confusion regarding the information military veterans had to supply at registration points in order to register.

“Members of the public who tried to register have reported that they were asked for their force numbers - however, members of the liberation forces (MK, APLA and AZAPO) were never issued a force number, so would have been unable to register. The department has described this registration process as a “staggered approach”, and has said that there will be more registration dates. However, Parliament needs to investigate how the Minister could have allowed this process to be so poorly handled, and why her department failed repeatedly to provide military veterans and their families with the basic information they required.”

The Department aims to register or re-register around 55 000 military veterans. Reports indicate that only 20 000 names have been captured since the process began, Esau says. This number includes the first phase of registration from earlier this year.

Esau says the department at the end of May called on all those listed on the military veterans’ database to register or re-register. “This includes all those who served in the statutory and liberation forces as well as their dependents. Those who had not registered during the previous integration process in 1994 were also asked to register,” Esau said.

“Poor advertising on behalf of government and a lack of clear explanations as to the purpose of this registration process have led to confusion and frustration for many military veterans. Many veterans are under the impression that they will be receiving benefits after they have completed this registration, but this is not the case. The department [of Military Veterans] has yet to clarify how benefits will be rolled out and the means test which will be used to determine who will qualify for benefits.

“The department was supposed to establish provincial offices by the end of June. This process has not been completed and would have gone a long way toward assisting the military veterans with the correct information,” Esau said.

“The poor management of this process by the department has incubated serious misinformation and a number of scams in which vulnerable individuals are being exploited. Consequently, many veterans have either failed to register or have the false expectation that registration will necessarily result in benefits being received.

Defence department (DoD) spokesman Siphiwe Dlamini last week said veterans wishing to register should report to their nearest military base where they will be assisted. Veterans of all colours and backgrounds can eventually qualify for the benefits. The benefits may include housing, health care, access to public transport, job placements, business support, burial support, honour or memorialisation, education and skills development amongst others, according to the Military Veterans Bill passed by Parliament last year.

The aim of the law and benefits is to assist destitute veterans, Beeld warned, adding that registration did not imply veterans necessarily qualified for any benefits. A means test will be used to determine whether the veteran applying is working or has an income. His or her assets will also be considered.

Dlamini further told the paper the precise nature and scope of the benefits veterans will receive, as well as the regulations in terms of which payments will be made has not yet been promulgated. Veterans can phone 012 671 1015 for help.

Ntime Skhosana, speaking for Deputy Minister of Defence and Military Veterans Thabang Makwetla on Friday afternoon said Esau’s characterisation of the registration process as chaotic “is grossly exaggerated, misleading and most unfortunate because it stands in stark contrast to the overwhelming response we continue to receive from the community of military veterans across the country.

“The recent call by the Democratic Alliance is therefore not borne out of objective considerations but just a misguided political urge to cause misplaced panic and unnecessary confusion,” Skhosana said.

“Firstly, the [deputy Minister] has always maintained since the pilot project started last year in November, that the registration and update of demographic profiles of former soldiers is an open ended process that will be on going until the Department of Military Veterans has uploaded and reached all qualifying military veterans. The process will continue for as long as there are veterans or their next of kin who want to register, verify and update their biographical data.

“We urge the military veterans community to register as there will be no military veterans who will access benefits without due registration,” he added.

“We furthermore call upon the military veterans community not to despair but to continue to register in various areas as stipulated in media advertisement. The department has, as part of the original plan, adopted a comprehensive but flexible registration process that will never be considered closed until every military veteran in the country is fully registered. Part of the plan includes the establishment of a call centre to ease communication challenges that arise as the process unfolds.”

[waynegohl]

I am sure there are M.O.T.H. halls in various cities and or towns where people could have signed up if civilian staff are the ones signing people up. How can these people say there is no chaos when the units have no idea what is happening and they send you here and there?

[Waaib]

Is there a place I can find out where my father should go to register? He lives in Randburg, JHB.

[waynegohl]

Is there a place I can find out where my father should go to register? He lives in Randburg, JHB.

Good day,

Please contact the following numbers for more information:

012 671 1155 /
012 671 2623 /
012 671 1015 /
083 778 0843 /
076 402 8951

Department of Military Veterans
Director-General Mr Tshepe Motumi
Tel 012 671 1212
Fax 012 671 1108
tsepe.motumi@dod.mil.za


Try these numbers. I got this in an email from the people involved.

[TirNaNog]

The Department aims to register or re-register around 55 000 military veterans. Reports indicate that only 20 000 names have been captured since the process began, Esau says. This number includes the first phase of registration from earlier this year.Seriously? Only 20k registered? That seems crazy.

http://www.looklocal.co.za/looklocal/content/en/polokwane/polokwane-news-general?oid=5872270&sn=Detail&pid=4730438&Military-vets--Registration-deadline-extended

Military veterans have until July 31 to register at the Ladanna base and benefit from R1,6 billion made available to war veterans who served the country.
Alternatively, they can also phone (012) 671 1155/2623, 083 778 0843 or 076 402 8951.

Veterans having trouble registering at the bases must make contact with their provincial coordinators to look at alternatives.

A payout system based on a sliding scale will be used in this first come first serve exercise.

Benefits will also be in place for veterans who might be self sufficient but need assistance at a later stage of their lives.

In cases where it relates to injuries and consequences of their term of service in the "old" army, the benefit can be applied to future medical needs and care.

Registration documentation includes identification, proof of highest qualification, proof of income or employment, conveyancing of property and death certificates where a deceased veteran's family sought compensation must be brought with.

Registration can be done between 08:00 and 16:00.HUH? What makes them think it's first come first serve? I thought it was related to the level of poverty you are living in...

[waynegohl]

I wonder who the first groups were to sign up? I heard that MK were in an uproar about benefits so maybe it's just academic that they ask all the old SADF members to sign up to avoid a stink.

[TirNaNog]

It's hard not to think that tbh... my problem with this whole thing is... are they going to publish their method of assessing means?

[waynegohl]

I want to hear from this guy who said he was going to be paid out his R11 000.00 then I will believe it. If we do sign up and nothing comes of it there will be a massive outcry

[wily me]

Is there a place I can find out where my father should go to register? He lives in Randburg, JHB.

We successfully registered at the military establishment near the east gate shopping mall in Langermann Dr. From the Bruma Lake robots turn towards the East Gate Mall in Allum Rd, first right in Cumberland Rd, left in Royal oak Rd, down to the T-junction with Lagermann Dr, turn right past the Church of Scientology just past Greys Ter rd. on the left side of the rd. Street view shows a reddish brick wall and there is a big gate with a yellow notice. There is where you can register.

Coordinates google map -26.188913, 28.110556



https://maps.google.co.za/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=www+eastgate+shopping+centre&fb=1&gl=za&hq=www+eastgate+shopping+centre&hnear=0x1e9514db568fc68f:0x3d3b6239af95540f,Kempto n+Park&cid=0,0,580038397799457203&ei=3gIAUIyGC8aShgfezKWWCA&sqi=2&ved=0CHsQ_BIwBA&oi=local_group

[Kwerty]

Hi all,

I've skimmed through the last 3 pages and didn't see it so I'll post it here.

I was speaking to my dad and his friend last night, and his friend mentioned the method for asessing wheather you'd get a payout of not. He said that you'd only get compensation if you earn less than ~R22000 per annum. He said something about it being the "mean" method. I don't know where he got this information from but both of them were in the special forces for years so I would assume they still have contacts that are in the military.

I don't have any "proof" to back this up but that's what he said.

[waynegohl]

A lady waiting with someone in the line at the Castle on Wednesday also said there will be a MEANS test.

[TirNaNog]

A lady waiting with someone in the line at the Castle on Wednesday also said there will be a MEANS test.

Yes, they assess your means. Those who are poorer (less means) will be given a greater chunk of the fund AFAIK. I don't think 'mean' was intended in the statistical sense.

[wily me]

Yes, they assess your means. Those who are poorer (less means) will be given a greater chunk of the fund AFAIK. I don't think 'mean' was intended in the statistical sense.

All in all another way to screw the white man veterans over. That seems to be very clear. Only the brainless can have these wonderful schemes.

[TirNaNog]

All in all another way to screw the white man veterans over. That seems to be very clear. Only the brainless can have these wonderful schemes.

Well if they're assessing people's means fairly, then it doesn't matter if you're white or black really... it seems this isn't money that has been paid in by veterans in their working days, but a separate fund. That said, if not for the DA's outcry, this would likely have only been for ex MK etc, which is ridiculous.

[BTTB]

I think my brother (see earlier posts) should actually register?

There must be thousands like him that as National Serviceman served up 4+ years of their life, 2 full time and 2 over a period of 10/12 years, that may have suffering emotional scars, physical injuries or diseases as a result. Not to mention having their family life and careers messed around.
I wonder how many employees in the workplace were overlooked because the employers knew that they would have to forfeit a staff member to the SADF every year for either a one or two month period, not to mention the normal sick leave and annual leave due. It must have been quite a thing being an employer of these men, knowing that in real terms you may only see your employee for 9 months out of 12 of the year taking into account a 2 month camp plus sick and annual leave. In my business I doubt I would want to employ such a person or even promote them? There were laws in this regard, but none the less, it must have had repercussions?

I think the only people that are going to qualify are ex "MK" veterans who aren't currently employed. My brother for instance works overseas in the oil industry bringing Dollars home to SA.

[MickeyD]

<snip>
My brother for instance works overseas in the oil industry bringing Dollars home to SA.
News24 is your brother? :eek:




:D

[Ol' Mean Bastid]

I still don't see the point of getting all hot and bothered under the collar about this...

Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon hoping they will get something out of the process, I did my 2 years + some camps, it was a long time ago, I've moved on and had some counselling in the process to get over some of my *****.

Quite frankly I have no desire to go out and register, I don't see the point...

I know there are other guys out there that are less fortunate than me and by all means go ahead and see if you can get something, but from my perspective if you don't have a major problem or disability then why bother?

[BTTB]

I still don't see the point of getting all hot and bothered under the collar about this...

Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon hoping they will get something out of the process, I did my 2 years + some camps, it was a long time ago, I've moved on and had some counselling in the process to get over some of my *****.

Quite frankly I have no desire to go out and register, I don't see the point...

I know there are other guys out there that are less fortunate than me and by all means go ahead and see if you can get something, but from my perspective if you don't have a major problem or disability then why bother?
Good post.
I wont be registering.

[BTTB]

My brothers response when I forwarded him the registration link via email. :D
He was a National Serviceman.


Nah. They had my ass for 13 years. I would just as well they kiss my
*** for a R100 pension. More trouble than its worth. My regiment
already tried to get us back by similar means. They do however owe me a
Cup for " Sharpshooter" of the year 1984.
!!! But they can have that also.

[raind33r]

AFAIK it's only for the no-choice crowd e.g. national service.
PF people are out.

[waynegohl]

Fort iKapa was less then 5 mins, the walk took longer. All they needed was Military number, ID number and name and contact details.

[BTTB]

Fort iKapa was less then 5 mins, the walk took longer. All they needed was Military number, ID number and name and contact details.
Hi Wayne.
Glad you got sorted. What service did you have with the SADF?

[waynegohl]

Hi Wayne.
Glad you got sorted. What service did you have with the SADF?

Morning squire.

Well now we have to wait for THAT CALL, so must keep my phone charged at all times.

Not sure what service you referring too but I did my 2 years for the country dishing out slop to the units.

[BTTB]

Morning squire.

Well now we have to wait for THAT CALL, so must keep my phone charged at all times.

Not sure what service you referring too but I did my 2 years for the country dishing out slop to the units.
A Cookie then? :-)

[waynegohl]

A Cookie then? :-)

Was trained as a storeman/clerk in Diskobolos for 6 months in the middle to late 80's then for the rest of the 2 years at 11 Stores Transport Depot in Wynberg (not Sexually Transmitted Diseases as someone mentioned). We were that last intake to do our 2 year stint and the new recruits did 1 year after us. We dished out the rations to all the units in the Western Cape and held the cars for the big wigs like Magnus Malan (now that was a nice bullet proof car and it sounded like it was vacuum sealed when I was in it).

[BTTB]

Sorry, lol, I took the "dishing out slop" part as you being a Cook, not that all cooks dished out slop, but one heard stories, although the food we got was fine, better than I anticipated or was told we would get as National Serviceman.

It would be interesting to hear if you "qualify" for anything Wayne, keep us posted. For my brother's part he obviously couldn't be bothered as he is earning lots of Dollars overseas and possibly has an axe to grind with his former unit by his tone, but he did give up 13 years of service, which in my opinion was more than the average person did back in the day and there are probably thousands like him who gave up a lot for this country.

[waynegohl]

Sorry, lol, I took the "dishing out slop" part as you being a Cook, not that all cooks dished out slop, but one heard stories, although the food we got was fine, better than I anticipated or was told we would get as National Serviceman.

It would be interesting to hear if you "qualify" for anything Wayne, keep us posted. For my brother's part he obviously couldn't be bothered as he is earning lots of Dollars overseas and possibly has an axe to grind with his former unit by his tone, but he did give up 13 years of service, which in my opinion was more than the average person did back in the day and there are probably thousands like him who gave up a lot for this country.

HA HA HA, we issued the rations as I said but you can bet in my year and a half in the unit the food was Grade A meat and likewise all the other stuff because I worked with all of it and smokkeled here and there too. I wanted to go to sign up so I could give feedback here on the thread and should I be awoken one night with the promises of thousands (I'm not greedy) you can bet I will let you guys now.

The only time I cooked was when we made egg burgers in the butchery for staff members and in the guard room I used to make banana snackwiches (don't ask where we got the ingredients).

I caught on lots of "poo" during my 2 years.

[waynegohl]

I hear the same email auto response is being sent out from chairman@cmvo.org, has anyone heard anything from these guys?

[Max001]

Not one word more...

[waynegohl]

Not one word more...

they bought coffins with our money.

[grantza]

If i recall, one of the benefits was free medical.
I know 1 Mil hospital in pretoria was not bad. Wonder what wynberg in cape town is like.

[waynegohl]

Then they using our money to keep Madiba alive.

[wikk3d88]

Then they using our money to keep Madiba alive.

A healthcare privilege extended to all former presidents. Yet you object?

[waynegohl]

A healthcare privilege extended to all former presidents. Yet you object?

blah blah blah, if it was any other high ranking person within the Government, I would have said the same.