Proof that Evolution is a hoax [Archive] - Page 4

copacetic

22-09-2011, 03:57 PM

Edduck calls himself a Christian and spiritual person, the question is aimed at Edduck. For the purposes of the discussion between me and Edduck, the question has no bearing on anybody else.

I presume he gets his spirituality from his Christianity? :confused:

(although spirituality can come from all sorts of places, 'evolutionists' can and are spiritual if they want to be)

Please tell me you understand this.

I don't think we are all as dense as your condescending dribbling suggests you seem to suspect.

h0ll0w

22-09-2011, 04:10 PM

I presume he gets his spirituality from his Christianity? :confused:
Why are to trying to answer a question aimed at Edduck ?

(although spirituality can come from all sorts of places, 'evolutionists' can and are spiritual if they want to be)
If you say so

I don't think we are all as dense as your condescending dribbling suggests you seem to suspect.
Do I detect a chip on your shoulder ?

undesign

22-09-2011, 04:23 PM

Why are to trying to answer a question aimed at Edduck ?

Because it is an open forum. PM Edduck if you want to keep it one on one.

If you say so

Yes, indeed he does.

Do I detect a chip on your shoulder ?

I doubt it. Probably just nauseated by all the stubborn stupid. Threads like these make affirm my view that religion shouldn't just be ignored and let be for the "90% harmless" nature and believers. It should be fought tooth and nail, because of the insidious 10%, poking their noses in every unwanted nook and cranny, spreading their filthy bigotry, lies and divisiveness.

Edduck

22-09-2011, 04:23 PM

Ok sorry I misinterpreted the sigh X 1000 then... What are your perfect correct scientific facts ?
Everthing that was said in this thread about evolution and science

Sad to hear that.
Why should I be sad? I believe it is a perfectly natural way of thinking about Christianity. Why do YOU think it should be taken up literally?

Ok, so which came first the DNA or the Protein ? I have read about some could-have explanations, but nothing solid.
Nobody knows this answer as no one was there to observe it. BUT we do have fossil records which contain proto-bacteria which look very similar to current bacteria. There is no illogical reason to believe that RNA/DNA did not form due to natural chemical and physical forces. Protein on the other hand is an "unnatural" product of a cells biology as it can only be synthesised from template and cannot be produced without life (And I am not referring to small peptides here but complex 3D protein structures, there is a big difference). RNA was most likely to have formed first as certain small RNA molecules with a specific sequence can fold into a very rudimentray enzyme like structure which can then catazlyse a chemical reaction. DNA cannot due this.

How do you suppose evolution can bring about your very own spirituality ?
Spirituality is only an extension of the human consciousness. To me spirituality has co-evolved with humans due to fact that humans biding in groups and "worshipping" a deity have a higher chance of surviving, having offspring and lifting social standards. Do this repeatedly for 50 000 years and the "need" to be spiritual has become an "instinct" just like any animal instinct. We all have this instinct but some tend to go against is due to an understanding between the difference between "religion" and spirituality and the other people just don't care.

A question for everyone here who is so defensive of their "religion": Destroy every man, woman and child on this planet. What happens next? Does every animal just die out eventually because of climate change and their inability to adapt as a species and what happens to religion?

LoneWolf

22-09-2011, 04:34 PM

You realise he said that there's no evidence for the soul right?

He just gave me his view...

Bobbin

22-09-2011, 05:00 PM

copacetic

22-09-2011, 07:13 PM

Why are to trying to answer a question aimed at Edduck ?

Public forum, anything I might say is welcome to a response by anyone else. If you feel things should be different, there is a PM system you are welcome to use. You sure do a lot of moaning, and very little worthwhile engagement...

If you say so

Is it not obvious? Or are you so closed minded that this seems like an unlikely scenario to you?

Do I detect a chip on your shoulder ?

A chip? Don't think so. What you are detecting is a reflection on your condescending and empty nonsense that you tend to **** out on this forum.

noxibox

23-09-2011, 06:45 AM

i want to add a question to the previous one... how can one develop a soul through evolution???
Probably the same way Wolverine developed his remarkable healing abilities.

Eyenstyn

23-09-2011, 07:30 AM

You can't. Evolution is science, science is the observation of the physical.

Souls are part of religion and are apparently not physical. Science therefore has no opinion on souls.

Propose a mechanism on soul development based on the physical observation of the soul and then science will have something to say about that.

Look religious fools just want science to prove their hogwash. It's like they are gambling for the next big set of results. Understanding our world doesn't have to lead down a religious path, it can just be the hunger for knowledge.

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 10:40 AM

Why should I be sad? I believe it is a perfectly natural way of thinking about Christianity. Why do YOU think it should be taken up literally?
What I mean was that I am sad to hear it, how did you manage to understand it any other way ?
Why Literal ? I don't know, that's what I tend to do when I read a guide/manual/story. Using the standard rules of interpretation. If not how could somebody hold me to it ? I could keep shifting the goal posts.

Nobody knows this answer as no one was there to observe it. BUT we do have fossil records which contain proto-bacteria which look very similar to current bacteria. There is no illogical reason to believe that RNA/DNA did not form due to natural chemical and physical forces. Protein on the other hand is an "unnatural" product of a cells biology as it can only be synthesised from template and cannot be produced without life (And I am not referring to small peptides here but complex 3D protein structures, there is a big difference). RNA was most likely to have formed first as certain small RNA molecules with a specific sequence can fold into a very rudimentray enzyme like structure which can then catazlyse a chemical reaction. DNA cannot due this.
Does the above fall into the "perfect correct scientific fact" category ?

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 10:58 AM

Is it not obvious? Or are you so closed minded that this seems like an unlikely scenario to you?
Undirected natural processes creating something non-physical ? You tell me.

I know you choose not to believe in it, so are going to say it doesn't exist, but Edduck must, if he wants to call himself a true Biblical Christian.

porchrat

23-09-2011, 11:05 AM

Undirected natural processes creating something non-physical ? You tell me.
Yup. Narrow minded. In your mind there is only one type of evolution. I'd love to know what exactly you think all those Christians that accept evolution think it is if this is how you see it. You must be a very confused individual.

I know you choose not to believe in it, so are going to say it doesn't exist, but Edduck must, if he wants to call himself a true Biblical Christian.
ROFL TrueChristian™

What a muppet.

Geriatrix

23-09-2011, 11:17 AM

Undirected natural processes creating something non-physical ? You tell me.

I know you choose not to believe in it, so are going to say it doesn't exist, but Edduck must, if he wants to call himself a true Biblical Christian.
I can't speak for Edduck per say but I suspect he thinks that evolution was set up by God. ie evolution is a natural process set in motion by God to allow for the eventual development of a brain capable of processing and comprehending the needed data(religion ect).

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 11:20 AM

Yup. Narrow minded. In your mind there is only one type of evolution. I'd love to know what exactly you think all those Christians that accept evolution think it is if this is how you see it. You must be a very confused individual.

ROFL TrueChristian™

What a muppet.

Oh snap, you had me figured out all along didn't you !

Just remember porchrat : you stand for nothing, so you fall for everything.

porchrat

23-09-2011, 11:33 AM

Oh snap, you had me figured out all along didn't you !
I didn't know you were one of those despicable human beings that tries to dictate to others what does and doesn't constitute a TrueChristian™. So no. I always assume the best of people (that they're tolerant, open minded, non-judgemental etc.) when I start off with them.

Just remember porchrat : you stand for nothing, so you fall for everything.
If I stand for nothing how could I have fallen for anything let alone everything? :confused:

That makes no sense.

copacetic

23-09-2011, 11:34 AM

Undirected natural processes creating something non-physical ? You tell me.

What are you on about? We were talking about atheism and spirituality... Here's a nice quote:

Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the the presence of great art or music or literature, or of acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr.

The notion that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.

I know you choose not to believe in it, so are going to say it doesn't exist, but Edduck must, if he wants to call himself a true Biblical Christian.

Not entirely sure what you are referring to here.

In any case, it's incredibly condescending that you parade about dictating to other Christians how they should think.

porchrat

23-09-2011, 11:38 AM

What are you on about? We were talking about atheism and spirituality... Here's a nice quote:
LOL hollow pwned again.

Not entirely sure what you are referring to here.

In any case, it's incredibly condescending that you parade about dictating to other Christians how they should think.
Well that is what being a TrueChristian™ is all about.

dudewotevr

23-09-2011, 11:45 AM

Lol h0ll0w, what a muppet! :P

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 11:47 AM

In any case, it's incredibly condescending that you parade about dictating to other Christians how they should think.

So by that logic a rugby player telling another rugby player that he is not allowed to enter the ruck from the side is incredibly condescending ?

You as a non-Christian are telling me there cannot be any rules in Christianity ? Not talking about rules people make up, rules that come from the Bible.

Gotta get your head out of cloud cuckoo land boys.

porchrat

23-09-2011, 11:50 AM

So by that logic a rugby player telling another rugby player that he is not allowed to enter the ruck from the side is incredibly condescending ?
Rugby is a game with set known rules. Religion isn't. Sorry not "by that logic" at all I'm afraid. Silly muppet.

You as a non-Christian are telling me there cannot be any rules in Christianity ?
There could be but you as a mortal shouldn't be claiming to understand those rules in their totality because that would be rather arrogant. You'd be saying you understand completely the will and mind of God.

Not talking about rules people make up, rules that come from the Bible.
Which are open to interpretation... hence the myriad of denominations out there.

You also can't ignore the possibility of God visiting people in their personal capacity to reveal something specific to them. Heck I'm sure you too would claim that God has visited you personally which led to your current belief so claiming it can't happen to others and during it something else could be revealed is rather arrogant.

Gotta get your head out of cloud cuckoo land boys.
Agreed you definitely do. Hop off that pedestal and join us down here on Earth.

porn$tar

23-09-2011, 11:51 AM

You as a non-Christian are telling me there cannot be any rules in Christianity ? Not talking about rules people make up, rules that come from the Bible.

So, when did you attend your last stoning?

copacetic

23-09-2011, 11:53 AM

So by that logic a rugby player telling another rugby player that he is not allowed to enter the ruck from the side is incredibly condescending?p

Rugby, unlike religion, has very clear and specific rules.

You as a non-Christian are telling me there cannot be any rules in Christianity ? Not talking about rules people make up, rules that come from the Bible.

Where did I say there cannot be rules in Christianity? :confused:

Your attitude that your interpretation is correct, and any Christian that disagrees with your interpretation is incorrect, coupled with your tone of delivery, is what makes it condescending.

Gotta get your head out of cloud cuckoo land boys.

I'll take that with a pinch of salt.

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 12:10 PM

Rugby, unlike religion, has very clear and specific rules.
Not talking about religion, talking about Christianity, and the rules are very clear. There are some things you can take out of context and twist around, but there are basic principles and tenets that you cannot get around.

Your attitude that your interpretation is correct, and any Christian that disagrees with your interpretation is incorrect, coupled with your tone of delivery, is what makes it condescending.
I said nothing about my own interpretation, I was pointing to what is written in the Bible.

Geriatrix

23-09-2011, 12:17 PM

So, when did you attend your last stoning?
Or refused to eat pork or prawns.

Elimentals

23-09-2011, 12:26 PM

So by that logic a rugby player telling another rugby player that he is not allowed to enter the ruck from the side is incredibly condescending ?

You as a non-Christian are telling me there cannot be any rules in Christianity ? Not talking about rules people make up, rules that come from the Bible.

Gotta get your head out of cloud cuckoo land boys.

Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. And why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

Oh wait as a TrueChristian™ you get to decide what rules you follow and what ones you dont.

Bobbin

23-09-2011, 12:36 PM

I suppose Aborigines were also one of Noah's sons :/

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 12:53 PM

Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. And why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

Oh wait as a TrueChristian™ you get to decide what rules you follow and what ones you dont.

You quote scripture that is not applicable. I did not judge anybody. I will never say that I don't do anything wrong, but once again, in the very basic matter at hand, I follow what is written in the Bible.

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 01:05 PM

I didn't know you were one of those despicable human beings that tries to dictate to others what does and doesn't constitute a TrueChristian™. So no. I always assume the best of people (that they're tolerant, open minded, non-judgemental etc.) when I start off with them.
Through everything you have typed here, it has become apparent to me that your knowledge of the intricacies of Christianity is extremely limited, so the next time you decide to share your verdict on me and my doings, keep in mind that it will not matter in the slightest.

Just remember porchrat : you stand for nothing, so you fall for everything.

If I stand for nothing how could I have fallen for anything let alone everything? :confused:

That makes no sense.
I suggest you google the meaning of that figure of speech, or just on metaphors in general you seem to have a very poor grasp on it, and this particular one is quite fitting to yourself.

porchrat

23-09-2011, 01:09 PM

Not talking about religion, talking about Christianity, and the rules are very clear.
I hate to be the one to tell you this but Christianity is a religion. So actually we are talking about religion.

There are some things you can take out of context and twist around, but there are basic principles and tenets that you cannot get around.
Oh I guess all those denominations must be a figment of my imagination then.

I said nothing about my own interpretation, I was pointing to what is written in the Bible.
No you're talking about your literal interpretation of what is in the bible. BIG HUGE MASSIVE difference.

Elimentals

23-09-2011, 01:13 PM

You quote scripture that is not applicable. I did not judge anybody. I will never say that I don't do anything wrong, but once again, in the very basic matter at hand, I follow what is written in the Bible.

Telling someone they doing something wrong is judging them, for who are you to know what is wrong or right? Sorry sir, you where in fact judging him. In fact you doing it to everyone :)

judge (jj) v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es

1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
2. a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn.
c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.

v.intr.

1. To form an opinion or evaluation.
2. To act or decide as a judge.

porchrat

23-09-2011, 01:15 PM

Through everything you have typed here, it has become apparent to me that your knowledge of the intricacies of Christianity is extremely limited, so the next time you decide to share your verdict on me and my doings, keep in mind that it will not matter in the slightest.
My knowledge of Christianity is far from complete. Which is why I don't attempt to dictate who is and who isn't a Christian.

I suggest you google the meaning of that figure of speech, or just on metaphors in general you seem to have a very poor grasp on it, and this particular one is quite fitting to yourself.
Trie googling it and there seem to be many numbers of interpretations of this particular figure of speech. Why don't you explain how you understand it and I will see for myself whether or not it applies to me.

It seems that you're saying that I have no principles for which I stand and I am therefore easily swayed by outside influences. If this is what you're saying where do you get the idea that I have no principles for which I stand for?

copacetic

23-09-2011, 01:23 PM

Not talking about religion, talking about Christianity, and the rules are very clear. There are some things you can take out of context and twist around, but there are basic principles and tenets that you cannot get around.

Christianity is a religion, last time I checked. :confused:

I'd agree there are basic tenets and principles to adhere to, but if they lead you to think, for example, that the earth is a couple thousand years old, or that apes and humans do not have a common ancestor, then you are mistaken.

I said nothing about my own interpretation, I was pointing to what is written in the Bible.

If you are criticising another Christian's understanding of the bible, then by definition you are both using a personal interpretation.

Geriatrix

23-09-2011, 01:24 PM

This thread is LOL

h0ll0w

23-09-2011, 01:33 PM

Telling someone they doing something wrong is judging them, for who are you to know what is wrong or right? Sorry sir, you where in fact judging him. In fact you doing it to everyone :)

So according to you one Christian is not allowed to try and help his fellow Christian, when he has gone astray ?

No no, if I wanted to judge someone, I would state that he will go to hell for what he may or may not have done. *That* is not my place. I can tell him he is on the wrong path, and then of course the logical thing for him to do would be to demand of me to support my allegations from the Bible.

porn$tar

23-09-2011, 01:41 PM

This thread is LOL

Muppet is even LOLer

Elimentals

23-09-2011, 01:45 PM

So according to you one Christian is not allowed to try and help his fellow Christian, when he has gone astray ?

No no, if I wanted to judge someone, I would state that he will go to hell for what he may or may not have done. *That* is not my place. I can tell him he is on the wrong path, and then of course the logical thing for him to do would be to demand of me to support my allegations from the Bible.

Like I said typical christian, follow rules as you see fit, or change it so it fits your view.

No you can not tell someone they doing something wrong in the same way the preacher can not go to you and tell you your belief in god is wrong. He can only preach and you decide if/how you follow his preaching.

Telling someone there believe is fraud, is one and the same as saying you are going to hell.

But I must admit we going way off topic here so this will be my last post in here on this matter.

porn$tar

23-09-2011, 01:47 PM

So according to you one Christian is not allowed to try and help his fellow Christian, when he has gone astray ?

When two christians each believe that the other is "doing it wrong" and they themselves are the only ones "doing it right", that's not helping each other.

I can tell him he is on the wrong path, and then of course the logical thing for him to do would be to demand of me to support my allegations from the Bible.

And he will have his own interpretation of the "right path". So you both just end up going around in circles. There is no common denomination for this very reason.

Naks

23-09-2011, 01:57 PM

I follow what is written in the Bible.

I very much doubt that, if you did you would most likely be in prison...

porn$tar

23-09-2011, 02:01 PM

I very much doubt that, if you did you would most likely be in prison...

Or a mental institution, which would explain a lot.

porchrat

23-09-2011, 02:12 PM

Or a mental institution, which would explain a lot.
Do they have the interwebz in the wackey shack?

Naks

23-09-2011, 02:15 PM

Do they have the interwebz in the wackey shack?

Yep, virtual interwebz. Streams directly into your brainz from some undetectable & unquantifiable ethereal origin :whistle:

porn$tar

23-09-2011, 02:16 PM

Do they have the interwebz in the wackey shack?

I hope so, I'd hate to think that some of the stuff I read here is posted by free-rangers.

alloytoo

24-09-2011, 05:52 AM

So according to you one Christian is not allowed to try and help his fellow Christian, when he has gone astray ?

Matthew 7:5 would seem to apply here.

STS

24-09-2011, 08:50 AM

Matthew 7:5 would seem to apply here.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

there, i even quoted it for you.

isn't it funny that more than half the world finds certain christians obnoxious?

Ekstasis

24-09-2011, 09:26 AM

Matthew 7:5 would seem to apply here.True, one should look at oneself as well, but also....

Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Rom 15:4
Col 3:16

Ekstasis

24-09-2011, 09:37 AM

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

there, i even quoted it for you.

isn't it funny that more than half the world finds certain christians obnoxious? Since we're on Bible verses, what does the Bible say about those like yourself. Kindly replace the words "they" etc. with your own name.

1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

copacetic

24-09-2011, 09:42 AM

From evolution to bible verses.

:confused:

Ekstasis

24-09-2011, 09:46 AM

From evolution to bible verses.

:confused:Can you believe? These threads always ends up with Christianity. Never Islam, Hinduism etc..../sigh
Why people bring the religion into it all the time I don't know, but when they do I'll see it as an opportunity.

copacetic

24-09-2011, 09:59 AM

Can you believe? These threads always ends up with Christianity. Never Islam, Hinduism etc..../sigh
Why people bring the religion into it all the time I don't know, but when they do I'll see it as an opportunity.

Well, to be fair, the first post was by a Christian, linking from a site called http://www.jesus-is-savior.com. :p

Eyenstyn

24-09-2011, 10:28 AM

Through everything you have typed here, it has become apparent to me that your knowledge of the intricacies of Christianity is extremely limited, so the next time you decide to share your verdict on me and my doings, keep in mind that it will not matter in the slightest.

You see the problem here is that you are trying to speak for all Christians when you are actually speaking for yourself. Some believe that devil is in the details - your so called intricacies - are radical Christian beliefs, some don't. The complexity here and the problem with christianity as a religion specifically, is that they try to sell a religion that is simple but hide these so called intricacies to not deter people from joining. This is a bit 2 face and hypocritical in my opinion.

Ekstasis

24-09-2011, 11:22 AM

Well, to be fair, the first post was by a Christian, linking from a site called http://www.jesus-is-savior.com. :pDidn't see that.....:o.

porchrat

24-09-2011, 11:59 AM

Can you believe? These threads always ends up with Christianity. Never Islam, Hinduism etc..../sigh
Why people bring the religion into it all the time I don't know, but when they do I'll see it as an opportunity.
This tends to happen when people use their religion as the basis for rejecting evolution.

Oh and of course the troll that started this whole mess off was a Christian fundie nutjob.

alloytoo

24-09-2011, 01:11 PM

True, one should look at oneself as well, but also....

Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Ooh look.

In context it appears to apply to Heretics.

Heb 3:12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.

Rom 15:4

Inspirational <> literal.

Col 3:16

You seem to be failing on the wisely part.

STS

24-09-2011, 01:14 PM

Since we're on Bible verses, what does the Bible say about those like yourself. Kindly replace the words "they" etc. with your own name.

1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

i don't care about the Bible in the same way you don't care about the Koran ;) you have about as much evidence for both in my opinion, and while i don't care what you believe, thinking your 'personal experience unsupported by facts' is better than someone else's personal experience, is hilarious ;)

Ekstasis

24-09-2011, 05:51 PM

i don't care about the Bible in the same way you don't care about the Koran ;) you have about as much evidence for both in my opinion, and while i don't care what you believe, thinking your 'personal experience unsupported by facts' is better than someone else's personal experience, is hilarious ;)So why did you quote the Bible in the first place? Quite silly on your part. I don't think I've ever quoted the Koran.
Also, my personal experience is exactly what it is - I don't HAVE to try and prove it to you. This was between me and God not between you and God. That time will surely come for you....guaranteed!

copacetic

24-09-2011, 05:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsnVMjG4lk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XHbRGiQccM

Defenders of pseudoscience scornfully reject scientific methodology and gleefully ignore evidence on purpose, and their leaders even admit this openly and publicly; Because they actually preach not only that we should make positive proclamations of complete conviction even without the slightest indication, but also that we should automatically reject –without consideration- everything we ever find that doesn’t fit into their pre-conceived bias.

undesign

24-09-2011, 08:16 PM

Ekstasis

24-09-2011, 08:23 PM

Three strikes and you're out. Second arrogant guarantee this week...Allah is not amused.Yes I'm quite confident with these guarantees, I admit.

copacetic

25-09-2011, 03:11 AM

http://i.imgur.com/tKKyk.jpg

http://evogeneao.com/images/Evo_large.gif

STS

25-09-2011, 06:05 AM

So why did you quote the Bible in the first place? Quite silly on your part. I don't think I've ever quoted the Koran.
Also, my personal experience is exactly what it is - I don't HAVE to try and prove it to you. This was between me and God not between you and God. That time will surely come for you....guaranteed!

so i'm not allowed to use the bible unless i'm a christian? Why bother giving us verses at all then? I know what the bible says, i used to be VERY anti-religion and i have read it.

but you're telling us 90 percent of the world is evil and going to get ****ed up by your god with, guess what - you personal experience between you and god. Muslims are not allowed to have personal experiences, roman catholics are not allowed to have personal experiences, but YOU are allowed to, and to be a judgemental knob about it too with no proof whatsoever.

no meeting is ever going to happen, sorry to burst your bubble ;)

Ekstasis

25-09-2011, 07:56 AM

so i'm not allowed to use the bible unless i'm a christian? Why bother giving us verses at all then? I know what the bible says, i used to be VERY anti-religion and i have read it.

but you're telling us 90 percent of the world is evil and going to get ****ed up by your god with, guess what - you personal experience between you and god. Muslims are not allowed to have personal experiences, roman catholics are not allowed to have personal experiences, but YOU are allowed to, and to be a judgemental knob about it too with no proof whatsoever.

no meeting is ever going to happen, sorry to burst your bubble ;) I shall resist.:)

Deezil

25-09-2011, 08:23 AM

50 reasons I reject evolution (http://bobbie-the-jean.deviantart.com/journal/23586617/?moodonly=1#comments)

:)

Apologies if this has been posted before ... I just didn't feel like scrolling through 82 pages

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alloytoo

25-09-2011, 08:28 AM

50 reasons I reject evolution (http://bobbie-the-jean.deviantart.com/journal/23586617/?moodonly=1#comments)

:)

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Classic

Elimentals

25-09-2011, 09:28 AM

50 reasons I reject evolution (http://bobbie-the-jean.deviantart.com/journal/23586617/?moodonly=1#comments)

:)

Thank you, you made my day.... esp with

20.) Because my mom dropped me on my head when I was a baby.

21.) Multiple times.

22.) On purpose.

Oh, now I have to get the dam coffee out of my nose....

Self note: Drinking coffee and reading the link is dangerous to my health.

Edit: Wow its pretty much sums up the entire thread. As all the points where mentioned

STS

25-09-2011, 10:48 AM

I shall resist.:)

Hard to resist when your foot is in your mouth :p

undesign

25-09-2011, 11:09 AM

porn$tar

25-09-2011, 01:13 PM

http://i.imgur.com/tKKyk.jpg

http://evogeneao.com/images/Evo_large.gif

50 reasons I reject evolution (http://bobbie-the-jean.deviantart.com/journal/23586617/?moodonly=1#comments)

Beautiful, just beautiful.

copacetic

25-09-2011, 01:24 PM

Beautiful, just beautiful.

Sadly, it will be completely ignored by those who most need to understand it.

Bobbin

25-09-2011, 08:29 PM

Are these stickied? They should be stickied, both of them :)

h0ll0w

26-09-2011, 10:03 AM

Hard to resist when your foot is in your mouth :p

Let's discuss evolution and why it is a crock of **** with an aspiring porn director.

Yes, that sounds like a good idea.

porchrat

26-09-2011, 10:08 AM

Let's discuss evolution and why it is a crock of **** with an aspiring porn director.

Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
Really? This is what you're stooping to?

What the hell is wrong with you? Leave the personal lives of people out of totally unrelated conversations.

Elimentals

26-09-2011, 10:12 AM

Let's discuss evolution and why it is a crock of **** with an aspiring porn director.

Yes, that sounds like a good idea.

Actually I would rather talk about evolution to a Porn director than a religious nut job :)

Must say this vid came to mind now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k

porn$tar

26-09-2011, 10:14 AM

Really? This is what you're stooping to?

What the hell is wrong with you? Leave the personal lives of people out of totally unrelated conversations.

That's what they do when they've got nothing else left.

copacetic

26-09-2011, 10:31 AM

Let's discuss evolution and why it is a crock of **** with an aspiring porn director.

Yes, that sounds like a good idea.

Aaah, completely irrelevant personal insults.

Good on you.

Geriatrix

26-09-2011, 10:33 AM

Actually I would rather talk about evolution to a Porn director than a religious nut job :)

Must say this vid came to mind now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k
Bi-winning!

h0ll0w

26-09-2011, 10:52 AM

Aaah, completely irrelevant personal insults.

Good on you.

Why is it an insult ? I am not going to consult a truck driver if I want to service a Boeing engine, did I insult the truck driver now ?

Why are you people so insecure ?

Elimentals

26-09-2011, 11:01 AM

Why is it an insult ? I am not going to consult a truck driver if I want to service a Boeing engine, did I insult the truck driver now ?

Why are you people so insecure ?

Because we know you made it out to be an insult is its known for religious people to frown upon people in said profession. Also the fact that you been discussing evolution with other people on here without ever revering to their occupations tells me this is not truck driver vs Boeing type off comment.

porn$tar

26-09-2011, 11:01 AM

I am not going to consult a truck driver if I want to service a Boeing engine, did I insult the truck driver now ?

Yet you claim to know more about evolution than 90% of the world's scientific community. The irony is deafening.

Mineer

26-09-2011, 11:07 AM

Why is it an insult ? I am not going to consult a truck driver if I want to service a Boeing engine, did I insult the truck driver now ?

Why are you people so insecure ?

but you insinuated just because he is a truck driver he is a dumb and knows nothing of boeing engines

copacetic

26-09-2011, 11:10 AM

*backtracking blather*

Either you have great difficulty expressing yourself as you intend, because the vast majority of your posts come across as condescending, often rude, and largely without any substance at all, or you are in fact, as your posts portray.

Either way, you have my condolences.

porchrat

26-09-2011, 11:10 AM

Why is it an insult ? I am not going to consult a truck driver if I want to service a Boeing engine, did I insult the truck driver now ?

Why are you people so insecure ?
The problem is whether you're asking a truck driver or a medical doctor about servicing that Boeing's engine you're still a plumber so what difference does his being as unqualified as you make?

but you insinuated just because he is a truck driver he is a dumb and knows nothing of boeing engines
This is also important to note. I agree with this.

The irony is that exactly the same thing could be said of hollow himself so everything he tries to say now about this works just as well against him too and if he refuses to acknowledge that then he is a hypocrite or grievously illogical.

He seems to say that it is pointless to discuss evolution with a truck driver. Well he is by that logic a plumber why should any of us bother to discuss it with him?

I repeat: His personal life has nothing to do with this conversation hollow. Admit this and move on or bow out of this self-admitted pointless discussion now.

STS

26-09-2011, 07:33 PM

Really? This is what you're stooping to?

What the hell is wrong with you? Leave the personal lives of people out of totally unrelated conversations.

i don't mind, but thank you :D

STS

26-09-2011, 07:37 PM

Let's discuss evolution and why it is a crock of **** with an aspiring porn director.

Yes, that sounds like a good idea.

i know i'm "full of sin" and not open minded to your bible and God, but i wasn't debating evolution or asking you to model or buy porn mags from me. i know a lot about evolution, but i was leaving it to the people who are more knowledgeable and patient than me.

what i WAS arguing is the irony between having a subjective experience and being anal about this subjective experience, but nobody ELSE being allowed a subjective experience or him even willing to admit that with ALL the subjective experiences out there, his can't be the only right one. he may as well be obsessed with what is the "right" or best colour.