Cricket: Proteas tour of New Zealand - 2012

[MickeyD]

Fixtures:

February 2012
17 - T20I - Westpac Stadium, Wellington (08:00)
19 - T20I - Eden Park, Auckland (08:00)
22 - T20I - Seddon Park, Hamilton (08:00)
25 - ODI - Westpac Stadium, Wellington (03:00)
29 - ODI - McLean Park, Napier (03:00)

March 2012
03 - ODI - Eden Park, Auckland (03:00)
07 - 1st Test - University Oval, Dunedin (23:30)
15 - 2nd Test - Seddon Park, Hamilton (23:30)
23 - 3rd Test - Basin Reserve, Wellington (23:30)

TOURING GROUPS

Proteas’ Test squad:

Graeme Smith (Cape Cobras, captain), AB de Villiers (Titans, vice-captain), Hashim Amla (Dolphins), Mark Boucher (Cape Cobras), Marchant de Lange (Titans), JP Duminy (Cape Cobras), Imran Tahir (Dolphins), Jacques Kallis (Cape Cobras), Morne Morkel (Titans), Alviro Petersen (Highveld Lions), Robin Peterson (Cape Cobras), Vernon Philander (Cape Cobras), Jacques Rudolph (Titans), Dale Steyn (Cape Cobras), Lonwabo Tsotsobe (Warriors)

Proteas’ ODI squad:

AB de Villiers (Titans, captain), Hashim Amla (Dolphins, vice-captain), Johan Botha (Warriors), JP Duminy (Cape Cobras), Faf du Plessis (Titans), Jacques Kallis (Cape Cobras), Albie Morkel (Titans), Morne Morkel (Titans), Justin Ontong (Cape Cobras), Wayne Parnell (Warriors), Robin Peterson (Cape Cobras), Graeme Smith (Cape Cobras), Dale Steyn (Cape Cobras), Lonwabo Tsotsobe (Warriors)

Proteas’ T20 squad:

AB de Villiers (Titans, captain), Hashim Amla (Dolphins, vice-captain), Johan Botha (Warriors), Marchant de Lange (Titans), JP Duminy (Cape Cobras), Colin Ingram (Warriors), Richard Levi (Cape Cobras), Albie Morkel (Titans), Morne Morkel (Titans), Justin Ontong (Cape Cobras), Wayne Parnell (Warriors), Robin Peterson (Cape Cobras), Rusty Theron (Warriors), Lonwabo Tsotsobe (Warriors)

[mercurial]

Those times in the brackets, are those our times or NZ?

[Pegasus]

I'm thinking we may get a hiding in the tests.
NZ are a decent side and they have some good bowlers these days.

[MickeyD]

Those times in the brackets, are those our times or NZ?
Our time...

[mercurial]

Our time...

Thanks MD :)

[BrokenLink]

Those times in the brackets, are those our times or NZ?

Doubt they will start playing a game there at 3am ;)

[MickeyD]

Doubt they will start playing a game there at 3am ;)
/pondered offering a facepalm but rooiwyn is making me mellow :p

[Zyzzyva]

rofl

[Peon]

Watching the boys yesterday I got the sense they were wimps. Got no kahunas between their legs. Albeit Hansie was as crooked, he had guts and always seemed a giant among men.

I appreciate Graeme Smith is a nice guy and tries hard, its time to drop him. He creates like a aura around him and the team and im not sure if its counter-productive.

Your thoughts fellas?

[MickeyD]

Watching the boys yesterday I got the sense they were wimps. Got no kahunas between their legs. Albeit Hansie was as crooked, he had guts and always seemed a giant among men.

I appreciate Graeme Smith is a nice guy and tries hard, its time to drop him. He creates like a aura around him and the team and im not sure if its counter-productive.

Your thoughts fellas?
Will comment once the squad is announced...

[Wall]

I expect a series win and some new faces, also think we may experiment a bit

[mercurial]

Doubt they will start playing a game there at 3am ;)


/pondered offering a facepalm but rooiwyn is making me mellow :p

OMG. How did I not see that? :eek: :o Was an honest mistake. No trolling, I promise :o

[Rosaudio]

Guess i'll only be watching the T20's

[Eskimos]

Going to be an interesting tour, surely we have to wipe the floor with NZ though. One of the weakest teams on the international circuit. I'm hoping we will experiment with a new test wk but pretty sure we won't. I don't expect any experimentation with the test squad, its a pretty solid one and we need to push through with consistent selection.

We might try to swap things through with the ODIs and T20s. Hate the fact that there are 3 t20s. Would prefer a single T20 and a 5 match ODI series.


Those times in the brackets, are those our times or NZ?

lol

[Haldex]

Watching the boys yesterday I got the sense they were wimps. Got no kahunas between their legs. Albeit Hansie was as crooked, he had guts and always seemed a giant among men.

I appreciate Graeme Smith is a nice guy and tries hard, its time to drop him. He creates like a aura around him and the team and im not sure if its counter-productive.

Your thoughts fellas?

They won't drop him, he will play in NZ and England.

[Devill]

I'm thinking we may get a hiding in the tests.
NZ are a decent side and they have some good bowlers these days.

I highly doubt it. We should win the series but as was shown by sri lanka in the second test, SA is still a bit unstable sometimes.


Watching the boys yesterday I got the sense they were wimps. Got no kahunas between their legs. Albeit Hansie was as crooked, he had guts and always seemed a giant among men.

I appreciate Graeme Smith is a nice guy and tries hard, its time to drop him. He creates like a aura around him and the team and im not sure if its counter-productive.

Your thoughts fellas?

I think in the test arena guys like Steyn, Kallis, Amla and AB have a never say die attitude. Smith on form is a gaint.


They won't drop him, he will play in NZ and England.

+1. Can not see him being dropped before the end of the series against Engeland.

[McT]

I appreciate Graeme Smith is a nice guy and tries hard, its time to drop him. He creates like a aura around him and the team and im not sure if its counter-productive.

Your thoughts fellas?

Smith stays. He's done enough to retain his position. That said, it would be an idea to go with somebody else in the T20's.

[Devill]

Smith stays. He's done enough to retain his position. That said, it would be an idea to go with somebody else in the T20's.

I am hoping they take Levi or Ingram as opener :)

Else open with Amla and Kallis.

[McT]

I am hoping they take Levi or Ingram as opener :)

Else open with Amla and Kallis.

100% agree. Time to innovate and look to the future. Easier to do this in T20's.

[Devill]

100% agree. Time to innovate and look to the future. Easier to do this in T20's.

Also I believe in T20 you should have no more than three bowlers, the rest should be batting all rounders that can give you those last 8 overs between them.

[DrYes]

I like the NZ format of 3 pro 20, 3 od's and 3 tests.
they should have done the same with Aussie tour.

[SinghDude]

T 20 will always be a lottery.


Have you guys heard that the Aussies have an uncapped T20 captain ? Apparently the guy is the next best thing since sliced bread..... yet his stats suck :erm:


bailey something.......

[DrYes]

no search results for bailey something.

[Devill]

no search results for bailey something.

http://www.iewy.com/40489-bailey-is-new-australia-t20-captain-hogg-recalled.html


The Cricket Australia National Selection Panel (NSP) has today announced a 14-man squad for the two-match Twenty20 International series against India.

The two-match series will be played between Australia and India, with the first taking place at Sydney Olympic Park on 1 February, 2012.

George Bailey has been named the new Australian T20 captain.
The Australian squad is:
George Bailey (c) Melbourne Stars 29
David Warner (vc) Sydney Thunder 25
Travis Birt Hobart Hurricans 30
Dan Christian Brisbane Heat 28
Xavier Doherty Hobart Hurricanes 29
James Faulkner Melbourne Stars 21
Aaron Finch Melbourne Renegades 25
Brad Hogg Perth Scorchers 40
David Hussey Melbourne Stars 34
Brett Lee Sydney Sixers 35
Mitchell Marsh Perth Scorchers 20
Shaun Marsh Perth Scorchers 28
Clint McKay Melbourne Stars 28
Matthew Wade Melbourne Stars 24


Commenting on the squad, National Selector John Inverarity said: “Australia’s T20 Team has been ranked a disappointing 6th in World Rankings. It is considered that the team needs refreshment and a number of changes have been made.

“The NSP has been discussing this T20 squad for about six weeks and has unanimously decided on the squad, the captain and the vice-captain. The selectors consider this to be a very well balanced T20 squad and look forward to the team acquitting itself very well.

Here is his profile: http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/4451.html

Nothing special imo.....

[SinghDude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bailey_%28cricketer%29

[DrYes]

and in other news....
de Kock ton leads SA to title


In a surprisingly one-sided match, South Africa Under-19s beat Pakistan Under-19s comprehensively in Paarl, and won the tri-nation tournament that also involved Zimbabwe Under-19s. Pakistan had been the best team in the league phase, winning five of their six games and beating South Africa twice. But in the final they failed collectively: the bowlers conceded more than they had in any of the previous games, and the batsmen sunk to their lowest total of the tournament.

South Africa's strong total was built almost exclusively by Quinton de Kock , who scored 146 off 148 balls, his second century of the tournament. de Kock lost partners at regular intervals but found someone to stick with him in Diego Rosier. The two put together 113 runs for the fifth wicket, and though there was a flurry of wickets towards the end, South Africa set Pakistan an imposing 276 to win. Mohammad Nawaz finished as the second-highest wicket-taker in the tournament after taking 4 for 59.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/550517.html

I've been banging on about this guy as a future replacement for Boucher.Opener,WK and Captain, averages over 60 in FCC.
Take him to NZ for crying out loud before he joins the pommies.

[SinghDude]

and in other news....
de Kock ton leads SA to title



http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/550517.html

I've been banging on about this guy as a future replacement for Boucher.Opener,WK and Captain, averages over 60 in FCC.
Take him to NZ for crying out loud before he joins the pommies.


How much FC has he played ? Whats his stats like ?

[Haldex]

and in other news....
de Kock ton leads SA to title



http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/550517.html

I've been banging on about this guy as a future replacement for Boucher.Opener,WK and Captain, averages over 60 in FCC.
Take him to NZ for crying out loud before he joins the pommies.

Lol hes too young, only when hes 25 he might make the side lol.
Btw, whats our youngest capped player?

[Mike Hoxbig]

If we win 2-1 we lose a ranking point.
If we win 2-0 we don't gain or lose anything.
If we win 3-0 we gain 2 points.

So 2-0 is the minimum we need to get.

[DrYes]

How much FC has he played ? Whats his stats like ?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/379143.html

[DrYes]

Lol hes too young, only when hes 25 he might make the side lol.
Btw, whats our youngest capped player?

Nonsense.If you want to produce great players give them at least a taste of int cricket from a young age.Beyond 25 they start to doubt whether they'll ever make the side.Career killer.
I think Faf is the youngest.

[Devill]

Lol hes too young, only when hes 25 he might make the side lol.


If you are good enough you are old enough.

[Haldex]

Nonsense.If you want to produce great players give them at least a taste of int cricket from a young age.Beyond 25 they start to doubt whether they'll ever make the side.Career killer.
I think Faf is the youngest.

I agree, Tendulkar started at 16, Pakistani bolwer at 17.
We never introduce youngsters in our team for some reason.

[R13...]

If we win 2-1 we lose a ranking point.
If we win 2-0 we don't gain or lose anything.
If we win 3-0 we gain 2 points.

So 2-0 is the minimum we need to get.
2-1. SA teams lack that killer instinct.

[Devill]

2-1. SA teams lack that killer instinct.

I think 2-0. I can not see the Kiwis beating us.... Although I thought the same thing when the Sri Lankans stepped up for the second test :o

[McT]

Also I believe in T20 you should have no more than three bowlers, the rest should be batting all rounders that can give you those last 8 overs between them.

I like ;)

[McT]

and in other news....
de Kock ton leads SA to title

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/550517.html

I've been banging on about this guy as a future replacement for Boucher.Opener,WK and Captain, averages over 60 in FCC.
Take him to NZ for crying out loud before he joins the pommies.


If you are good enough you are old enough.

Quinton is definitely the guy we are looking for to take over the gloves from Boucher.

Unless Boucher has an absolute mare in the land of the long white cloud, he'll be playing in England. Selectors are looking for experience for the English tour.

Thereafter I reckon they should go with QdK ;)

[Devill]

Quinton is definitely the guy we are looking for to take over the gloves from Boucher.

Unless Boucher has an absolute mare in the land of the long white cloud, he'll be playing in England. Selectors are looking for experience for the English tour.

Thereafter I reckon they should go with QdK ;)

I am actually in favour of a new keeper starting asap as I am scared that AB's back might not last another 4 years and if it goes just before the next WC and we have to enter the WC with an untested keeper I am not going to be pleased.

[McT]

I am actually in favour of a new keeper starting asap as I am scared that AB's back might not last another 4 years and if it goes just before the next WC and we have to enter the WC with an untested keeper I am not going to be pleased.

I agree that a new keeper would be preferable, but reading selectors comments in the Star today, it seems they're intent on keeping Bouch in test until end of England tests and using AB in ODI's and T20's. I share your worry about AB's back. His batting his worth tons more than having him keep too.

[mercurial]

NZ recently beat AUS in a test match. Don't write them off ;)

[MickeyD]

NZ recently beat AUS in a test match. Don't write them off ;)
Especially not in their own backyard!

[mercurial]

Especially not in their own backyard!

Indeed.

[MickeyD]

Any idea when the SA touring squad will be announced?

[SinghDude]

Aussies are over-rated.

SA will smash NZ.

The big 3 of JK,Amla & Steyn will shine again ;)

[Devill]

I agree that a new keeper would be preferable, but reading selectors comments in the Star today, it seems they're intent on keeping Bouch in test until end of England tests and using AB in ODI's and T20's. I share your worry about AB's back. His batting his worth tons more than having him keep too.

I feel that the extra spot AB affords us while he is keeping is giving the bowlers a let off as now there is 7-8 options of bowlers.

Imo Peterson / Parnell / Botha / M. Morkel / Lobse / Steyn is included they should bowl out their 10 overs. In other words we only need four of them maximum as Duminey / Faf / Kallis can get the other 10-20 overs bowled.

I wonder why the selectors went for Peterson.... prob because he is left handed.

[McT]

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned his average is wee bit better than Botha.

[Devill]

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned his average is wee bit better than Botha.

Botha
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/44149.html

Peterson
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/46750.html

Ah, I see but I doubt it could be that. still think that it had something to do with Robbies being left handed.

[Eskimos]

Ah, I see but I doubt it could be that. still think that it had something to do with Robbies being left handed.

It must be this as its the only logical explanation, although some are saying that Botha being left out if payback for him playing in Australia's T20 competition.

Either way, just the pure International demand of Botha from all T20 competitions should be an indication enough that he should be in the squad. I would like to see them try Tahir out in an ODI in NZ regardless if the pitch assists spin or not and see how he fairs. If he can managed an economy of 4-5 on a unfriendly spin track then surely he should be first pick spinner.

[DrYes]

I wonder why the selectors went for Peterson.... prob because he is left handed.
I was listening to Neil Johnson recently and he said its simply because Peterson takes more wickets than Botha.
He's more attacking.

[DrYes]

Quinton is definitely the guy we are looking for to take over the gloves from Boucher.

Unless Boucher has an absolute mare in the land of the long white cloud, he'll be playing in England. Selectors are looking for experience for the English tour.

Thereafter I reckon they should go with QdK ;)

They should at least take him with to get a feel for the INT setup.If you feel he's too young ,fine,but start grooming him now.
The selectors like leaving things till the last like they did with Philander.

[Devill]

TOURING GROUPS

Test squad: Graeme Smith (capt), AB de Villiers (vc), Hashim Amla, Mark Boucher, Marchant de Lange, JP Duminy, Imran Tahir, Jacques Kallis, Morne Morkel, Alviro Petersen, Robin Peterson, Vernon Philander, Jacques Rudolph, Dale Steyn, Lonwabo Tsotsobe.

ODI squad: AB de Villiers (capt), Hashim Amla (vc), Johan Botha, JP Duminy, Faf du Plessis, Jacques Kallis, Albie Morkel, Morne Morkel, Justin Ontong, Wayne Parnell, Robin Peterson, Graeme Smith, Dale Steyn, Lonwabo Tsotsobe.

Twenty20 squad: AB de Villiers (capt), Hashim Amla (vc), Johan Botha, Marchant de Lange, JP Duminy, Colin Ingram, Richard Levi, Albie Morkel, Morne Morkel, Justin Ontong, Wayne Parnell, Robin Peterson, Rusty Theron, Lonwabo Tsotsobe.

Could this maybe be added to the OP?

[DrYes]

Justin Ontong
:confused:

[Devill]

Justin Ontong
:confused:

My reaction as well but read this:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/current/story/550861.html


Justin Ontong, the Cape Cobras allrounder, has been included in South Africa's squads for the one-day and Twenty20 international series in New Zealand in February. Graeme Smith has been left out of the Twenty20 side, and another Cobras batsman Richard Levi will open with Hashim Amla in the format. JP Duminy was chosen ahead of Ashwell Prince in the Test squad.

Marchant de Lange, who took seven wickets in an innings on Test debut against Sri Lanka, was selected for his first tour and was in the Test and T20 squads. Jacques Kallis and Dale Steyn, were rested for the Twenty20 series.

Ontong hasn't been part of South Africa's squads since the 2009 World Twenty20 in England, where he did not play a game. However, he averaged 72 in this season's 1-Day Cup, South Africa's List A competiton, and 76 in the SuperSport Series, the first-class tournament.

We are always complaining that they do not pick the guys on form..... well now they have.

Must say at first I also thought wtf?!

[Mike Hoxbig]

My reaction as well but read this:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/current/story/550861.html



We are always complaining that they do not pick the guys on form..... well now they have.

Must say at first I also thought wtf?!
I think our perception of Ontong has been tarnished by the whole Percy Sonn incident. No doubt he's in form now, but Percy actually did his reputation more harm by turning him into a token player.

[Devill]

I think our perception of Ontong has been tarnished by the whole Percy Sonn incident. No doubt he's in form now, but Percy actually did his reputation more harm by turning him into a token player.

+1. Like Ntini also said a couple of years ago. "If I am being selected on because of the colour of my skin I would rather not play", or something like that :D

Good to see smith out of the T20, see they are also resting Steyn and Kallis.

[DrYes]

My reaction as well but read this:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/current/story/550861.html



We are always complaining that they do not pick the guys on form..... well now they have.

Must say at first I also thought wtf?!

At 32 Justin can hardly be considered a future player for South Africa especially in the limited overs format.I think its more a case of giving opportunities rather than building for the future.
They should have chosen him long ago ahead of Faf and Ingram.

[DrYes]

So who will it be in the test team?

Rudolph or Duminy?

[Mike Hoxbig]

So who will it be in the test team?

Rudolph or Duminy?

I'd still go with Rudolph, he did pretty well in the last test. Duminy has been given a 2 year run since his debut in Aus, and he didn't do much in that time.

[Devill]

So who will it be in the test team?

Rudolph or Duminy?

Test team IMO should be:

1) Alviro
2) Smith
3) Amla
4) Kallis
5) AB
6) Duminey / Rudolph (if duminey is still not over his short ball issues)
7) Boucher (I would play a young keeper)
8) Tahir
9) Steyn
10) Lobse / Philander (Philander gets the nod imo as he swings it)
11) M Morkel

[Dm7]

10) Lobse / Philander (Philander gets the nod imo as he swings it)


Reckon you'e the only person in the world who would even consider playing Lopsy before Philander given the latter's first few Tests.

[Devill]

Reckon you'e the only person in the world who would even consider playing Lopsy before Philander given the latter's first few Tests.

No doubt Philander has had a great start but it will only be seen if he can become a true great after another test series or two.

LobsY is left handed and that could help with certain strategical elements (think footmarks for tahir etc etc.).

But to be fair the spot should be contested between M Morkel and LobsY, not as I suggested between Philander and LobsY.

[McT]

Agree that the contest is probably between Morkel and Lopsy ;)

[Dm7]

LobsY is left handed and that could help with certain strategical elements (think footmarks for tahir etc etc.).



True, just think he lacks the pace and/or swing to be an attacking bowler at Test level. Having a left-hander is handy (:)) though, and Parnell is dire at the moment.

Wouldn't mind seeing Steyn, Philander, de Lange, Tahir.

[Devill]

Agree that the contest is probably between Morkel and Lopsy ;)

Don't know what I was thinking yesterday :o


True, just think he lacks the pace and/or swing to be an attacking bowler at Test level. Having a left-hander is handy (:)) though, and Parnell is dire at the moment.

Wouldn't mind seeing Steyn, Philander, de Lange, Tahir.

Lol, that does sound good. M Morkel can be so freaking brilliant but he is not shaping as I had hoped :(

I agree on the fact that I would like t see lobsy bowl 10km/h faster, but he actually does get a lot of movement op the pitch if the pitch is a bit helpful.

De lange I will not yet call a success as he was bowling on a SA pitch against a struggling Sri Lankan side, but I will say that he grabbed the chance given to him.

Parnell was marked as the left handed Steyn, but he has really been struggling with his bowling.

the future of SA fast bowling looks a lot rosier than one or two years ago :D

Wonder if there is a up and coming spinner in SA.

[Mike Hoxbig]

LobsY is left handed and that could help with certain strategical elements (think footmarks for tahir etc etc.).

Being a left arm bowler means that he would create rough outside off stump to the right hander. That's only really useful to an off-spinner. Right arm bowlers create the rough for leg spinners.

[Devill]

Being a left arm bowler means that he would create rough outside off stump to the right hander. That's only really useful to an off-spinner. Right arm bowlers create the rough for leg spinners.

Maybe we have a plan against left handers.

Also isn't Tahir known for his googlies? Leggy leggy leggy googly turning sqaure from the rough.

[Dm7]

Wonder if there is a up and coming spinner in SA.

There is that leg-spinner from the Lions, but I know nothing about him - not even his name!

[stefan9]

Don't see any reason why Duminy gets back into the test squad. Has done much at all in the fc he played for the cobras this season while others have been scoring big runs at domestic level. Another case of who you knows mattering more then form...

[Devill]

Don't see any reason why Duminy gets back into the test squad. Has done much at all in the fc he played for the cobras this season while others have been scoring big runs at domestic level. Another case of who you knows mattering more then form...

I would have kept Rudolph at 6 and dropped Prince as he has also not been performing.

Who would you have called up in place of prince?

[stefan9]

I would have kept Rudolph at 6 and dropped Prince as he has also not been performing.

Who would you have called up in place of prince?

My first choice would have been elgar(but he is injured) but all of jj smuts,ingram,faf,bavuma and ontong have had good ss series with the bat.

I would have gone with either ingram or faf.

I agree with dropping prince and keeping rudolph, I don't agree with taking jp as the reserve batsmen since he hasn't earned it.

[Devill]

My first choice would have been elgar(but he is injured) but all of jj smuts,ingram,faf,bavuma and ontong have had good ss series with the bat.

I would have gone with either ingram or faf.

I agree with dropping prince and keeping rudolph, I don't agree with taking jp as the reserve batsmen since he hasn't earned it.

I also think I would take Faf as I think he could mature into a really good middle order test batsman. That and the fact that he can roll the arm over a bit if need be.

[DrYes]

My first choice would have been elgar(but he is injured) but all of jj smuts,ingram,faf,bavuma and ontong have had good ss series with the bat.

I would have gone with either ingram or faf.

I agree with dropping prince and keeping rudolph, I don't agree with taking jp as the reserve batsmen since he hasn't earned it.

Based purely on current form then it appears Ontong is the right choice to be in the squad although i would slot him into the test side in place of JP.
Other form players include Smuts and Cook.

Its ironic that they have persisted with de Lange even though he hasn't done much in FCC this season.

Supersport stats 2011/2012:

most runs (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=6840;type=tournament)
most wickets (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=6838;type=tournament)

[DrYes]

I also think I would take Faf as I think he could mature into a really good middle order test batsman. That and the fact that he can roll the arm over a bit if need be.
I disagree.Elgar needs to slot into that middle order position if Rudolph fails ,not Faf, for the following reasons.
He's younger than Faf
Has had more innings in FCC.
Has a better average.
He's a left hander who bowls left arm spin.

barring injury of course.

[Devill]

I disagree.Elgar needs to slot into that middle order position if Rudolph fails ,not Faf, for the following reasons.
He's younger than Faf
Has had more innings in FCC.
Has a better average.
He's a left hander who bowls left arm spin.

barring injury of course.

I am never too worried about age for test players as imo you can play the game till you are 34-36 if your form holds up.

I really think Faf can become a good to great batsman and his bowling is also a step up from Elgar's.

You do make a very good point as to why we should take Elgar over Faf however.

[Dm7]

Boucher:


“If I am selected to tour England, then I intend to make that my final tour with the national team. After that it will be time for someone else to take over the gloves and for me to focus on the next stage of my life. “

[Devill]

Boucher:

Nice one Boucher.

Good for you to go out with with your head still held high.

[SinghDude]

Boucher's batting and keeping has certainly been getting worse every season. His experience wont count for much in seaming and swinging English conditions. Dropped catches will lose you matches.

[DrYes]

Boucher:

He's just made the selectors job so much more easier.

its time for De kok to step up.

[McT]

He's just made the selectors job so much more easier.

its time for De kok to step up.

I am incredibly sad to hear Boucher will no longer be there, but chuffed to hear he's going on his own terms. Despite guys form with the gloves not being up to his usual high standard, he's a must for the next 2 tours. He's served his country well.

I can only hope that the selectors go with someone young like QDK ;)

[SinghDude]

Anybody's guess if Boucher scores big and is man of the series ... ?

[AirWolf]

Anybody's guess if Boucher scores big and is man of the series ... ?

100/1? :whistle:

[Garson007]

He said final tour, so should be available for a farewell series come summer. Good to however see him finally give in.

Edit: I see we tour Australia before that. Terrible that we've been relegated to side-tour status there...

[Devill]

Can the cricket not be played a week or two earlier :p

[McT]

The black caps have comfortably rolled Zimbabwe twice in a row now :(

[Devill]

The black caps have comfortably rolled Zimbabwe twice in a row now :(

Seems like they have taken a lot from the test that they won against Australia earlier this year. :(

We need to beat them 2-0 damnit!

[DrYes]

The black caps have comfortably rolled Zimbabwe twice in a row now :(
Hardly surprising we shouldnt take Zims performance as gospel on NZ ability.
I'm more concerned about what they did to the Aussies.

[McT]

The black caps have comfortably rolled Zimbabwe twice in a row now :(

Another klap to out northern neighbours. Maybe NZ will develop over confidence.

[Devill]

I am happy that NZ is performing well at the moment. Hopefully this will keep the Proteas from over confidence before the tour.

[McT]

And inspire big collapses by the Black Caps in their over confidence...

[Devill]

And inspire big collapses by the Black Caps in their over confidence...

That would be nice. I do not really see NZs bowling attack as anywhere near ours. If our batsman can not bat them out of the tests and ODIs I will be very dissapointed.

[McT]

Another easy game for NZ ... good for Proteas ... bad for Zim

[Mike Hoxbig]

Thami Tsolekile has been identified as Boucher's replacement.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/553165.html

Not going to get into any political discussions, but at the age of 31 (turning 32) I would have chosen somebody much younger. Guys like AB, Amla, Kallis and even Boucher himself have all started off young and started paying dividends after a few years. International experience forces you to raise your game, and unfortunately I think Thami is the wrong age to start playing test cricket. He'll most likely come good when he's only got a couple of years left in him.

[mercurial]

Thami Tsolekile has been identified as Boucher's replacement.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/553165.html

Not going to get into any political discussions, but at the age of 31 (turning 32) I would have chosen somebody much younger. Guys like AB, Amla, Kallis and even Boucher himself have all started off young and started paying dividends after a few years. International experience forces you to raise your game, and unfortunately I think Thami is the wrong age to start playing test cricket. He'll most likely come good when he's only got a couple of years left in him.

This is a complete joke. There are so many better guys out there that deserved a shot. More racist/stupid quotas coming into play. WTF is wrong with the selection committee? Useless bunch of morons.

[Slab]

Wayyard indeed. Should've even gone for a 20 year old guy.

[Stefanmuller]

With this selection the reason that Morne van Wyk is too old is rendered invalid

[SinghDude]

Some politician must have whispered into the selectors ears' that the team is still not black enough..... and coloureds and indians dont count......:whistle:

[Devill]

Thami Tsolekile has been identified as Boucher's replacement.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/553165.html

Not going to get into any political discussions, but at the age of 31 (turning 32) I would have chosen somebody much younger. Guys like AB, Amla, Kallis and even Boucher himself have all started off young and started paying dividends after a few years. International experience forces you to raise your game, and unfortunately I think Thami is the wrong age to start playing test cricket. He'll most likely come good when he's only got a couple of years left in him.

Tsolikile was given a national contract because Faf and Rudolph was give national contracts. Can you imagen 3 white players getting contracts without a single player of colour getting one?

[Slab]

In other news. Zim 200/2 in 20 overs against the Black Caps. Should be an interesting chase.

[SinghDude]

Zim have been getting better on tour.

They should have played the NZ u19's first ........LOL:D

[mercurial]

In other news. Zim 200/2 in 20 overs against the Black Caps. Should be an interesting chase.

:eek: WTF :eek:

[AirWolf]

NZ still won with 2 balls to spare.

[McT]

NZ still won with 2 balls to spare.

Heartbreak for Zim. So close.

[Slab]

That bloke smashed 20 from 5 to win it for them.

[SinghDude]

Zim dont have any bowlers....

Price is a right 'ol bali now.

[lilggg]

Damn Levi is klapping these bowlers.

South Africans 62/0 (6.0/20 ov) vs. Canterbury

*Richard Levi (rhb) 52 (25balls) 9(4's) 2(6's) 208.00 (SR)

[McT]

Any updates on the score. I cannot access it... :cry:

[Slab]

150 in 20 overs. And they were 6/2. Two to Lopsy.

[Slab]

According to CricSA Lopsy took a hat-trick. 9/3.

[lilggg]

He's got 4 now.

South Africans 150/6 (20/20 ov)

Canterbury 40/6 (10.0/20 ov)

[phoneJunky]

We taking a beating now. Henry hitting 5 sixes.

[Slab]

Score?

[phoneJunky]

Lucky for us, Henry just got out for 42

122/8


MJ Henry c †de Villiers b M Morkel 42 (17b 1x4 5x6) SR: 247.05

Edit: Make that for 9


TG Johnston run out 0 (1b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00

[SinghDude]

who da fuk is Henry ? :erm:

[Eskimos]

Score?

Its on cricinfo btw.

Cantebury 129/9 need 22 runs with 8 balls and 1 wicket remaining

[SinghDude]

Not on mobi site.

[Slab]

who da fuk is Henry ? :erm:

A debutant.

[SinghDude]

A debutant.


:confused:

...and he smashes the bowlers all over the park.

[McT]

Final score anyone? And any other sites for updates other than CricInfo? Couldn't get in there this mourning :(

[Slab]

We won by 20 runs. They were 9 down.

[McT]

We won by 20 runs. They were 9 down.

Thanks Khanya

[Devill]

Hope the rest of the Batting line up wakes up the next time they get a start of 80 after 8.1 overs...... :mad:

[McT]

who da fuk is Henry ? :erm:


A debutant.


:confused:

...and he smashes the bowlers all over the park.

He got lucky? Do worry sometimes about our bowlers getting too easily rattled when a batsman successfully takes them on.

[Devill]

He got lucky? Do worry sometimes about our bowlers getting too easily rattled when a batsman successfully takes them on.

True, but I like how AB rotates his bowlers. I also think that we are using the "batting" all rounders to little in the one day formats.

[McT]

True, but I like how AB rotates his bowlers. I also think that we are using the "batting" all rounders to little in the one day formats.

Could give us a wee more depth to the batting line up... so I'd be happier with that ;)

[SinghDude]

Its fuking frustrating knowing that SA will always have depth in batting.... i remember the likes of Pollock and co coming in at 9, yet the top order will never have a sense of urgency to bat quicker !!!!


There is a fine line between attacking to much and also having enough faith in the mid/lower order to bat well.... but SA's top order tend to be abit on the conservative side at times.

[Slab]

Hope the rest of the Batting line up wakes up the next time they get a start of 80 after 8.1 overs...... :mad:

30-40 runs short.

[DrYes]

Thami Tsolekile has been identified as Boucher's replacement.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/553165.html

Not going to get into any political discussions, but at the age of 31 (turning 32) I would have chosen somebody much younger. Guys like AB, Amla, Kallis and even Boucher himself have all started off young and started paying dividends after a few years. International experience forces you to raise your game, and unfortunately I think Thami is the wrong age to start playing test cricket. He'll most likely come good when he's only got a couple of years left in him.

Hudson
on Tsolikele's selection

"There's definitely intention there for him to play for South Africa in the longer formats. We've showed our hand and said we think he is ready to be a successor,"
"He has always impressed at South Africa A level and he scored runs in England and Sri Lanka. The 58 he scored against the Australians in Potchefstroom at the start of the summer was also important,"

On Ashwell Prince's contract renewal.

"We never want to write people off and the No. 6 position is still open,If Ashwell is playing well it can only benefit South Africa. He has been a great servant of the game and is still in our plans."

on not giving Merchant de Lange a contract:

"If you look at it, it took Vernon [Philander] two full series, against Australia and Sri Lanka, before he was offered a contract. We can't always relate contracts to who we will play going forward because selection decisions still have to be made but Marchant is definitely part of the plans."

Andrew Hudson has proven himself to be a worthy janitor for CSA.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Why did Albie bat so low today?

[Devill]

Hudson
on Tsolikele's selection


On Ashwell Prince's contract renewal.


on not giving Merchant de Lange a contract:


Andrew Hudson has proven himself to be a worthy janitor for CSA.

I read somewhere that Tsolikele score in the top 5 for batting averages this season (can't remember if it was in the longer format of the game or the ODIs) so at least some kind of an excuse :o

As to prince .... wtf?

I would also not have given De lange a contract just yet. Maybe next year as he will only be back up of back up imo in the test for the next year.


Why did Albie bat so low today?

Maybe wanted to give the others a go? I wish Albie would bat 3 or 4 in T20, with a license to do the business.

[Mike Hoxbig]

I read somewhere that Tsolikele score in the top 5 for batting averages this season (can't remember if it was in the longer format of the game or the ODIs) so at least some kind of an excuse :o

Mainly due to not outs, don't think he's scored a hundred in a while.

[phoneJunky]

Mainly due to not outs, don't think he's scored a hundred in a while.

If he gets allot of not outs then it just means that he doesn't get enough time to get to a hundred in any case. It shouldn't really matter then. He plays the cards that he is dealt.

[DrYes]

I read somewhere that Tsolikele score in the top 5 for batting averages this season (can't remember if it was in the longer format of the game or the ODIs) so at least some kind of an excuse :o

According to THIS (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=6838;type=tournament) table Tsolikele boasts the highest average but Kuhn,Vilas,Smit and especially Van Wyk have have all scored more runs than him.
What has tipped the decision in his favour tho, is that save for Van wyk all the others have scored only marginally more runs this season.

My major concern is not his ability, but his age, as you have to discount him as a long term option,as Boucher was.

[Devill]

According to THIS (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=6838;type=tournament) table Tsolikele boasts the highest average but Kuhn,Vilas,Smit and especially Van Wyk have have all scored more runs than him.
What has tipped the decision in his favour tho, is that save for Van wyk all the others have scored only marginally more runs this season.

My major concern is not his ability, but his age, as you have to discount him as a long term option,as Boucher was.

lol, I was not saying I agree with CSA, I just said that at least there is some light. I would also have chosen a young keeper and trained him in the next year to replace boucher.

[Eskimos]

Not a fan of Tsolikele getting the nod, his performances are decent but his age and past experiences way heavily against him. The might as well pick Morne, he is only a year older.

I remember reading in The Star that they reckoned Vilas was favourite to replace Boucher and that De Kock was their no. 2 option. Unfortunately CSA don't like to take chances but heres hoping either Tsolikele proves us wrong or he is just there as a temporary option.

[SoTrue]

An average performance by the Proteas. We had them reeling at 39/6, but they went on to score 130. Not good.

[Devill]

Not a fan of Tsolikele getting the nod, his performances are decent but his age and past experiences way heavily against him. The might as well pick Morne, he is only a year older.

I remember reading in The Star that they reckoned Vilas was favourite to replace Boucher and that De Kock was their no. 2 option. Unfortunately CSA don't like to take chances but heres hoping either Tsolikele proves us wrong or he is just there as a temporary option.

I am also hoping that he proves us wrong as that will keep the political monkeys in their cages for a while... Sad that the tag will almost always be given to any player of colour as soon as there is the slightest doubt as to if he was the no. 1 choice :(

[Eskimos]

An average performance by the Proteas. We had them reeling at 39/6, but they went on to score 130. Not good.

Did you watch the game?

Anyway its T20, which a hit and miss game i.e. one guy can play a blinder in a couple of overs and change the game completely. Its nice to start the tour with a victory. Hate the fact that there is 3 T20's, should've just been 1 and 5 ODI's.

[DrYes]

Unfortunately CSA don't like to take chances but heres hoping either Tsolikele proves us wrong or he is just there as a temporary option.

You're saying they going for a safer option in Tsolikele instead of risking unknown quantities like Vilas and De Kok.
I would hardly call his selection as 'safe' as he's overall stats are hardly anything to write home about.

[Eskimos]

You're saying they going for a safer option in Tsolikele instead of risking unknown quantities like Vilas and De Kok.
I would hardly call his selection as 'safe' as he's overall stats are hardly anything to write home about.

By safe, I mean't someone who has been on the domestic scene a long time and has experience in all forms and levels of the game.

[permanentmarker]

Errrghhhh Tsolikele is a bit old to be a successor.

And by a bit, I mean WAY too old.

[Haldex]

Bleh, anyones better than Boucher.

[MickeyD]

Errrghhhh Tsolikele is a bit old to be a successor.

And by a bit, I mean WAY too old.
I fully agree with you.

[McT]

Errrghhhh Tsolikele is a bit old to be a successor.

And by a bit, I mean WAY too old.

Investing in the future is the only way. No disrespect to Tsolikele, but he is on the wrong side of being developed to be the player taking the gloves for the next few years (or longer).

I also get the impression that little or nothing has been done to identify, develop and mentor young players (of all races) to be the next generation of players. So now they're either to scared to go with potentially adventurous choices or they have no idea who to go with, and are now plugging gaps.

This could be potentially quite soul-destroying for Thami if they go with him for a season and then drop him like a wet rag.

[Slab]

Only one day to go! Alright.

[Devill]

Only one day to go! Alright.

Woohoo.... I wish we had a 5 test series though :(

[AirWolf]

Any idea if SABC will be showing any of these (even delayed)?

[MickeyD]

Any idea if SABC will be showing any of these (even delayed)?
Seriously doubt it.

[Mike Hoxbig]

The NZ time zone suck ass! The T20 is ok because it starts at 08:00, but the ODIs start at 03:00 and tests at 23:30! :(

[Devill]

O well..... PVR it will be at my mates house :D

[DrYes]

Investing in the future is the only way. No disrespect to Tsolikele, but he is on the wrong side of being developed to be the player taking the gloves for the next few years (or longer).

I also get the impression that little or nothing has been done to identify, develop and mentor young players (of all races) to be the next generation of players. So now they're either to scared to go with potentially adventurous choices or they have no idea who to go with, and are now plugging gaps.

This could be potentially quite soul-destroying for Thami if they go with him for a season and then drop him like a wet rag.

Agreed.The older the player the more urgent the need to drop him if he performs less than adequately.There's no second chances so the pressure on him must be enormous.

[DrYes]

By safe, I mean't someone who has been on the domestic scene a long time and has experience in all forms and levels of the game.

I doubt he has experienced much at Test or ODI level.

[SinghDude]

Maybe Hudson and co are trying to take a leaf out the Aussie coaching manual......

Hussey started international cricket when he was " old "..... and is still playing well despite him reaching a pensionable age :D

The likes of Gilchrist, Hayden, Hussey etc all started late.


IMHO Thami just aint good enough..... he failed miserably last time out and was found out at international level. This will destroy him as a person when he finds out he is not good enough to cut it.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Thami is no Gilchrist :/

[SinghDude]

There is only one Gilchrist.

[stefan9]

Thami in is for political reasons. Not talking just about the "targets/qouta" issue. His dad and uncle have business connections to uncle Gerald...

Hopefully sanity prevails soon and we get a competent keeper.

[DrYes]

Maybe Hudson and co are trying to take a leaf out the Aussie coaching manual......

Hussey started international cricket when he was " old "..... and is still playing well despite him reaching a pensionable age :D

The likes of Gilchrist, Hayden, Hussey etc all started late.


IMHO Thami just aint good enough..... he failed miserably last time out and was found out at international level. This will destroy him as a person when he finds out he is not good enough to cut it.

not at all.Hussey was a master at provincial level, Hayden was in his early 20's when he first started playing for the Aussies and Gili, well what more can be said about him.

[McT]

Any idea if SABC will be showing any of these (even delayed)?

SABC usually only show local games. It would be great for the game locally if they do show it, even if they only show the shorter format.

[Gunner182]

I personally can't wait for this series to start. I just want to shut those loud mouth New Zealand commentators up! For weeks they were going on about how fantastic the team was, when they were playing against Zimbabwe! Not victories to boast about anyway.

[Wall]

does anyone know if the match will be broadcast on Radio 2000?

[Slab]

does anyone know if the match will be broadcast on Radio 2000?

No. They usually do locally.

[Slab]

All those on MTN and have R15/week to spare, head over to www.mtnplay.co.za follow the DSTV link, stream the match. Decent quality on a 7" tablet of mine as well.

www.crictime.com
www.webcric.com

For overseas audio commentary on Android download the application TuneIn Radio, and search the cricketing section.

Otherwise follow on www.cricinfo.com

[McT]

9 hours...

[AfricanTech]

9 hours...

and counting...

[Stefanmuller]

The global time difference on this tour is crap...when will the test start?

[Slab]

The global time difference on this tour is crap...when will the test start?

Refer to page 1.

[McT]

and counting...

We are minutes away, I'm such in the office and our internet connection is down :mad: :cry:

[phoneJunky]

We are minutes away, I'm such in the office and our internet connection is down :mad: :cry:

Just check on this thread on your phone. I am sure we will keep posting the scores and the highlights.

[Wall]

NZ WON THE TOSS AND DECIDED TO BOWL FIRST. SOUTH AFRICA REMAIN UNCHANGED

[Wall]

The match is on radio 2000

[phoneJunky]

Mills to Amla, OUT
HM Amla run out 19 (15b 2x4 1x6) SR: 126.66

Amla out

[Wall]

Amla. Out

[Slab]

Oh gawd.

[phoneJunky]

4.2
NL McCullum to Ingram, OUT
CA Ingram st †BB McCullum b NL McCullum 0 (2b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00

34/2

[Zyraz]

Ingram Idiot doesnt even try to get back .... Out for http://cs.wellesley.edu/~rds/rds04/projects/DuckFarm/duck1.gif
If he actually tried to get back , he would have been back comfortably.


Levi showing good intent.

[Zyraz]

Levi out
38/3

[phoneJunky]

5.6
Southee to Levi, OUT
RE Levi c Bracewell b Southee 13 (12b 1x4 1x6) SR: 108.33

Going downhill now

[Slab]

Wonders who will redeem us now. Brandon will klap all these runs by himself in quickfire mode. At least AB is there.

[phoneJunky]

AB is battin uncharacteristically slow. Hopes he can steady this with JP.

Just as I say that


8.6
Hira to de Villiers, OUT
AB de Villiers c Guptill b Hira 8 (17b 0x4 0x6) SR: 47.05

[lilggg]

When have we ever been good against spin? We always lose when the majority of bowling is spin.

[Slab]

Duminy is a test and one day player.

[Slab]

No boundary for 50 balls and counting.

[phoneJunky]

Duminy is a test and one day player.

Duminy's strike rate is higher than AB's. Maybe not as entertaining to watch, but he is a hoarder of runs, and I will take that now. Cause it looks like every one else is failing.

[Xmailer9]

we are hopless at the t20 game.

[lilggg]

We look like schoolboys against spin.

[lilggg]

Lol, the bryce lawrence of cricket.

[phoneJunky]

Looks like we are going to struggle to make it to 120...

[Slab]

2 sixes!

[Slab]

Another six! Make that a 6 hat-trick!

[Slab]

4 sixes in a frikking row! Wow! Where has Ontong been?

[Xmailer9]

that was beautiful to watch :D

[SinghDude]

4 sixes in a frikking row! Wow! Where has Ontong been?

Getting experience at provincial level :D

[DrYes]

OMG!!!
what did Ontong just do.

[Devill]

Getting experience at provincial level :D

+1. At first I was shocked to see his name when they anounced the touring side, but then I read his stats this season and I must say I am happy that he is being given a chance.

[Slab]

Just 50 more.

What happened to Radio2000?

[SinghDude]

140 + will be handy.


SA have awesome bowlers :D

[Devill]

140 + will be handy.


SA have awesome bowlers :D

Was hoping for 150 :p:D

Two or three boundries should see us get 150ish.

Edit: 3 dot balls in the second last over...... that is not helping.

[SinghDude]

Stoutee has 3 :twisted:

He is a dangerous bowler..... one to watch out for during the series.

[Slab]

147. Not enough, I say.

[Xmailer9]

don't think so either.

[phoneJunky]

147. Not enough, I say.

147 is better than I thought after we dropped that much early wickets.

[Slab]

Watch McCullum.

[SinghDude]

Mills did well for the Saffers. :love:

[McT]

Great late surge gives us something which can be defended. And our runs came from unlikely sources... nice! :)

[phoneJunky]

I know Lopsy and Morkel are exceptional in this format etc, but I would have a lot more confidence if Steyn was also there with them. I feel we might be a bit to light...

[Devill]

Great late surge gives us something which can be defended. And our runs came from unlikely sources... nice! :)

I take my hat of to Ontong who did not do the typical SA thing and wait till it was too late to try and clear the ropes.

Well done Justin.

[Slab]

Oh Guptill!

[Slab]

Come on boys 50/4.

[Devill]

:( Hoped we could build some pressure in the first 4-5 overs.... o well.

[phoneJunky]

NZ looks like they are in cruising mode now.

[Devill]

Enter M Morkel, the Other brother from the same mother :D

[Slab]

Almost out of the stadium! We are taking a beating.

[lilggg]

Up to botha to win it i guess.

[phoneJunky]

It is looking bad now. Hope this guy is correct:


Graeme: "The problem for NZ is that against a quality bowling attack, they only have 2.5 wickets to lose (Guptill + BMac and bit of Williamson). No one else that SA would fear."

[Slab]

127m 6? That's just crazy. The boundary that direction is 60m. He should've got 12!

[lilggg]

Meh,bring duminy on.

[phoneJunky]

I read on cric info that in T20 the spinners to better than the pacemen, maybe we should consider an all spin attack.

[SinghDude]

T20 is a hit and miss circus.

Real deal will be the ODI's and Tests.

Boys are just acclimatising.:p

[Slab]

Wicket! RustyT!

[SinghDude]

Nicol was doing well....

Guptill should have got out.:erm:

[Devill]

Ginger Ninja!

[phoneJunky]

7.1
Theron to Nicol, OUT, and he strikes straight away! South Africa really needed that, Nicol got underneath a full ball on middle and skied it towards long-on, Amla ran around well from long-on to take a good running catch
RJ Nicol c Amla b Theron 13 (18b 1x4 0x6) SR: 72.22

First one down

[lilggg]

What did i say.

[phoneJunky]

12.2
Duminy to BB McCullum, OUT, bowled 'em! Feet stuck in concrete there, it was outside off and he didn't quite have the room to cut as he bottom edged it into the stumps via pad flap
BB McCullum b Duminy 16 (17b 0x4 0x6) SR: 94.11

Yes you said it.

[lilggg]

Might be too late though.

[R13...]

Would someone update the score with the outs? Radio 2000 borked on my iPhone app:(

[Slab]

115/2. This score was never enough. We neede 160+. But we can't do that with blokes like Duminy.

[Devill]

115/2. This score was never enough. We neede 160+. But we can't do that with blokes like Duminy.

:erm: duminey held the innings together and stopped us from only getting 120.....

Explain how you can blame Duminey for this please?

[SinghDude]

:erm: duminey held the innings together and stopped us from only getting 120.....

Explain how you can blame Duminey for this please?


He got klapped with the ball.

[phoneJunky]

:erm: duminey held the innings together and stopped us from only getting 120.....

Explain how you can blame Duminey for this please?


I would also like to know. We would have been nowhere without Duminy. We really need Kallis back.

[Xmailer9]

:erm: duminey held the innings together and stopped us from only getting 120.....

Explain how you can blame Duminey for this please?

like Kallis he's too slow. at one stage 30 from 31 balls. that's unacceptable in t20.

[Slab]

Boo from the crowd! Still it's their game.

[phoneJunky]

like Kallis he's too slow. at one stage 30 from 31 balls. that's unacceptable in t20.

His strike rate is higher than AB's - should he also be dropped?

[Slab]

like Kallis he's too slow. at one stage 30 from 31 balls. that's unacceptable in t20.

Exactly. If we're cruising at 90 after 10 overs, fine you can relax and let your partner excel. But you can't afford to do 20 off 24 when we're in dire need. Not even an attempt of a big hit.

9 from 7!

[Devill]

He got klapped with the ball.

Is that not the captains call? And what about lobse?


like Kallis he's too slow. at one stage 30 from 31 balls. that's unacceptable in t20.

:erm:

Kallis' strike rate is 120 @ avrg 34....... Now I don't know about you but that is good no matter where you come from.

[SinghDude]

SA seem to have been 10-20 runs short :sick:

[SinghDude]

Kallis is a genius in any form of the game.

[Devill]

Exactly. If we're cruising at 90 after 10 overs, fine you can relax and let your partner excel. But you can't afford to do 20 off 24 when we're in dire need. Not even an attempt of a big hit.

9 from 7!

You are blaming Duminey yet he scored more than Levi and AB at a faster pace......

Yes that seems logical.

[Slab]

Is that not the captains call? And what about lobse?



:erm:

Kallis' strike rate is 120 @ avrg 34....... Now I don't know about you but that is good no matter where you come from.

Kallis is better he emanates intent.

[McT]

Just too few runs in the end :(

[Slab]

You are blaming Duminey yet he scored more than Levi and AB at a faster pace......

Yes that seems logical.

Not necessarily in this particular match.

[McT]

...or can Botha pull off a miracle?

[Slab]

4 from 5. Done and dusted.

[SinghDude]

Was hoping for 150 :p:D

Two or three boundries should see us get 150ish.

Edit: 3 dot balls in the second last over...... that is not helping.

damnit. the 150 + will have been better :twisted:

[Slab]

Botha never pulls off miracles.

[DarkSpectre]

Hahahaha!!! Losers!!!

[phoneJunky]

Game over NZ wins with 4 balls to spare

[Devill]

Not necessarily in this particular match.

:wtf: JPs strike rate is 125.... Please explain to me how that is not good enough.

[McT]

Nope. :(

[Devill]

damnit. the 150 + will have been better :twisted:

Yeah think we were about 15 runs short as was also said on cricinfo :(

O well I really do not measure anything by T20 standards except the fun factor :p

[Slab]

:wtf: JPs strike rate is 125.... Please explain to me how that is not good enough.

20/20 we need a boundary hitter, an ominous guy like David Warner, more than someone who can hit 1's and 2's, yes they're also essential.

I'm just saying he's not a big hitter.