My telephone pole distance from Telkom pole [Archive] - Broadband & ADSL Forums

arf9999

20-05-2006, 07:48 PM

I work for Telkom? uhhh...ok... sure. The inside of your head must be an interesting place. Although I use a nick on this forum, my real identity is no great secret, and if you were such a good googler as you make out, you could probably figure out my real name and even my real employer.

I really shouldn't get dragged into your neuroses, but here goes:
1. It is not illegal to import non-ICASA approved equipment. It may be illegal to use them, and to be honest if you are not connecting your DSLAM to the PSTN (i.e Telkom or SNO), and it doesn't broadcast on Radio frequencies controlled by ICASA, I don't even think that is the case.
2. ICASA type approval is a process where the product itself is tested to ensure that it conforms to local regulations. I could easily get a DSLAM unit type-approved (it costs about R4000, and requires the submission of some documents and a two week wait), but it still will not make it legal for me to set up my own network. Do you understand? ICASA can approve the product but not the usage? It is a big concept but if you sleep on it I'm sure you will grasp it.
3. AFAIK what is illegal, until such time as someone clarifies the mess that we have as Telecomms regulation, is setting up your own network that crosses property boundaries and roads without the relevant license. It is now unclear whether a VANS license is sufficient, or whether only the licensed telecomms companies (Telkom,Sentech, MTN, Vodacom etc.) (and evidently local govt. under a special dispensation) can do this.

For your info: I am not trying to protect anyone from your crusade. I am trying to protect some of the less knowlegable people on this forum from your ignorance, and frankly, your stupidity. You continue to argue legal points, technical details, regulations and engineering concepts that you plainly do not understand.

Pointing the finger at RoDent, daffy because they are involved in the industry is a bit weak. The reason that they know what they are talking about is BECAUSE they are involved in the industry. They are not ridiculing your ideas because they have something to lose, but rather because your conspiracy theories are juvenile and your technical ideas are stupid.

damian24

20-05-2006, 09:48 PM

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Good heavens captainwifi, not legal to sell no type-approved equipment to the public. Visit your favourite Incredible connection, buy a duxbury (err. billion ISDN termal) at there ripoff price, now find the little icasa sticker there, it's a wonder that icasa or (shudder) Telkom hasn't put them out of business.

Hmmm, visit your favourite reseller, and buy one of the no-name brands there, now try and find the icasa sticker there... thaught so...

Theres nothing illegal about sell the damn things, just plugging them into the PSTN that's an issue.

Using your fence to run a DSLAM...

has anyone spoken to this guy about VPI/VCI, ATM, BRAS... a DSLAM is essentially an ATM convertor but who the hell cares about this when you can run VDSL over you fence (there are other configs but they're all designed to hook into some uplink, I'm sure you've recently launched a satellite to care care of that hiccup)...

Hell, why not forget about drilling holes in the roads and just hook neighbours up fence to fence... it seems a hell of a lot more efficient than the way the rest of the world does it with FTTC/FTTH and copper for the last few metres.

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arf9999

21-05-2006, 01:50 AM

I give up...

damian24

21-05-2006, 01:05 PM

Ditto...

skydog

21-05-2006, 07:21 PM

I'm calling the men in white coats

captainwifi

25-05-2006, 10:25 AM

DSLAM is Point-to-Multipoint device
A DSLAM is a Point-to-Multipoint device. It can be thought of as a massive SwiTch. It has a Gibabit Ethernet port to transmit the ADSL modem
data connectet to it's ports. DSLAM sizes vary between eight and 200 ports. The eight port uses RJ-45 telephone jack connectors. The larger port sizes use a Telco-50 connector cable. Each port connects to a single ADSL modem.

Functioning as a switch and router, it receives the ADSL modem data on a port and streams this data via the Ethernet gigabit link that physically plugs into the DSLAM itself unto the Internet or local network.

The DSLAM can multicast a movie to all the ADSL modems at the same time. An eight-port DSLAM can stream eight different movies and at the
same time the ADSL modems can upload data unto the DSLAM to be routed unto the Internet or local network via the DSLAM's Gigabit Ethernet port.
This allows for See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_play_%28telecommunications%29
The DSLAM has QOS and bandwidth control in increments of 32k, allowing bandwidth management to each ADSL modem.

It overcomes the distance limitation of 100m over copper wire that limits Ethernet usage. Via the ATM protocol a DSLAM downloads/uploads it's
data to the ADSL modem connected to one of it's ports at a distance of over '''5km'''. The ATM protocol uses fixed packet widths. The Ethernet protocol uses variable data rates. As the distance of a wire increases, its resitance increases hence the the need for the ATM protocol.

Upload speed from an ADSL modem to it's DSLAM port: 1meg ~ 1.6km
Download speeds from a single DSLAM port to it's ADSL modem:
*25meg at 1000 feet
*24meg at 2000 feet
*23meg at 3000 feet
*22meg at 4000 feet
*21meg at 5000 feet
*19meg at 6000 feet
*16meg at 7000 feet

As the distance of the ADSL modem from the DSLAM increases the throughput will drop. At any distance where the speed becomes unacceptable
, connect an Fiber/Ethernet module to the ADSL modem's ethernet port. The ADSL could be seen as an ATM to Ethernet protocol converter. All switches, hubs, routers and bridges uses the Ethernet protocol.

A DSLAM is a viable alternative to many Fiber deployments, it allows people to build their own private telephone exchanges via telephone poles and underground cabling in the exact same manner that a Telco builds their exchanges. The mini-Dslam uses 10 way terminiation Krono-bloks to connect the modems to the Dslam.

Wikipedia article on DSLAMs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_subscriber_line_access_multiplexer article on Wikipedia confuses A DSLAM with a telephone
exchange. See the discussion page on Wikipedia for notes in this.
Digital subscriber line access multiplexer can also rephrased as: ADSL modems router The word 'Multiplex' slightly obscures the fact that the Ethernet Gigabit upload port at the back of the dslam Routes the ADSL modems connected to its ATM protocol ports(switch) over any network via the Ethernet protocol. So a Dslam should be visualized as a massive switch connected to a Router. The stuff about the CO,Telephone firms confuses this. A Dslam is merely a device used by telcos to build a telephone exchange. A more accurate description is to view a Dslam as forming a huge LAN. These large DSLAM LANs link into a WAN and viewing a Telephone company as a WAN operator. In the intro of the article zero reference should be made to Telephone exchanges or companies or telco because a Dslam just like a Router, Hub, Bridge and Switch has got nothing to do with Telcos.

A Router connected to a Switch can also be described as 'multiplexing' the Switch's data via it'sGigabit Ethernet port unto a network.As far as a Router and Dslam is concerned their Gigabit Ethernet ports 'multiplexes' or 'routes' their data via the Ethernet protocol unto a computer network that also uses the Ethernet protocol. This has got nothing to do with Telco backbones, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serving_Area_Interface and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_loop_carrier. Backbones and SAI can also be formed using Ethernet based Routers and Switches but because of the distance limitation of 100m over copper with Ethernet, Telcos use Dslams.

Thus a Dslam is an ATM protocol based switch. Where a 'normal' switch is an Ethernet based switch. A Dslam ATM port interfaces via an ADSL modem to an Ethernet device, where a switch interfaces directly via the Ethernet protocol to an Ethernet device. Upto eight Dslams can be daisy chained, Dslam1 connects via one of it's ATM ports to Dslams2's ATM port. These two Dslams then communicate via the ATM protocol.

The word subscriber confuses the role of a DSLAM even further. Human beings subscribe to a certain world view. A DSLAM and a network switch are not subscribing to anything, they are interfacing via a communications protocol either Ethernet or ATM to another device using the same protocol
Pricing of DSLAMS
*Retail price for eight-port mini-DSLAM - '''$540''' : http://www.versatek.com/products/vx1000md.html
*ADSL2+ modems: $29
*Versatek sales Engineer: Mr.Hui - USA '''Tel: 909-591-8891 ext122'''

DSLAM range extenders
http://www.phylogy.com/content/Specifications.aspx
# Increase xDSL Speeds by up to 4X
# Increase Service Area by 3X
These are resold by http://www.charlesindustries.com/main/telecom.html They have wiring racks, signall conditioners ect for telephone exchanges.

VDSL Ethernet bridges
An even simpler solution would be to connect eight users to a switch. The switch connects to a VDSL/Ethernet bridge
http://www.versatek.us/products/html/veb150-buy.html. They retail for $85 and achieve 10meg in both directions over TwistedPari upto 3000feet with a
range of 7500feet on reduced throughput. This will reduce fiber usage and costs considerably.

Analogue Video and DSLAM combined
Connect an analogue camera to a VideoBalun. The balun transmitter converts the analogue signal to digital and transmits the video data a distance of 1km over twisted pair copper to the receiver balun which converts it back to analogue. These analogue signals are connected to http://wwww.kodicom.com capture cards installed inside http://wwww.zoneminder.com boxes. The Zoneminder box connects to the DsLam besides it via it's Ethernet port. The DsLam streams the captured video to the ADSL modems.

25 twisted pair cable bundle for under-roof use: R9/m. Place this cable inside a UV LDPE shield from exposure when suspending from telephone poles.
Underground cable R19/m(25 twisted pairs inside)are placed inside a PVC pipe which makes it more expensive then telephone pole connected wires.
Falcon electronics 021 448 2402 are cable suppliers.

http://www.asterisk.org besides the DSLAM
Even people who don't know how to switch on a PC and just want's to use their existing analogue phone will save costs. The wires suspended from our telephone poles connects to an Asterix box where the call is converted to VOIP and unto a stable Diginet line. Using Icasa's VOIP allocated numbers a person will receive an incoming Telkom landline call from anywhere unto their existing analogue phone. The POTS splitter functionality of the Dslam allows simultaneous Adsl data and voice calls.

From each Adsl modem a parabolic is connected to link distant clients to one massive Dslam'd network. A fixed wired network allows parabolic Wi-fi repeaters on each telephone pole - avoiding cross channel interference.

Dslam suppliers in South-Africa
www.communiverse.co.za
Address:
A24 Sanlam Business Park
cnr Koeberg & Racecourse Rd
Milnerton
7441
Tel: +27 21 555 1024
Fax: +27 21 555 1029
leon@communiverse.co.za

telkomsuig

25-05-2006, 02:43 PM

Get BEE partner and I am sure your plan will be kosher :). My maid is available for your consortium...

captainwifi

26-05-2006, 05:21 PM

Get BEE partner and I am sure your plan will be kosher :). My maid is available for your consortium...

It's much easier to secretly sneek in low latency Telkom data into a distributed fixed wired network. We could for example shoot a 5.8ghz parabolic signal into the Dslam network from 5km away via a fronting company with BEE empowerment partner Mr. Mapoena fully responsible. Even if TElkom legal catches him it's not our problem - they can sue him and have the court force him to pay damages of 10c/month for the next three million years.

Telkom can only sue the person who signed the contract, they can't go after everybody in a daisychain like fashion.
(There is very subtle lie repeated by the ISPs that the average person will miss. Datapro will tell you that it is illegal to resell Telkom data without a 'license'. No, this is a factually and legally incorrect statement. It is merely a violation of the terms of the civil contract between Mr.Mapoena and Telkom. Telkom can't lay a criminal charge against Mr. Mapoena only take him to civil court:D

I pray thee ladies and gentleman to not consider Dslams,Wi-fi and Gprs as an end in and of itself but that one must combine these technologies to provide the cheap telecoms services we demand. Dslams alone or wireless alone simply won't work.
Telkom isn't stupid, if our empowerment partner orders a 1meg Diginet line for R60 000/month from them they are going to look for the parabolic on the roof. But with a Dslam you can first tunnel under the road eight houses distant and
from this house wi-fi the data into our network 5km hence. It's extremely difficult to conceal the source of a Telkom uplink using Wi-fi alone. It perhaps is more of hassle to setup a fixed wired network, but what is the point of having a communications network if you can't get the Telkom dataservices you want?

Below is the answer from Telkom regulatory services concerning the
distance that any structure might be from a Telkom pole

You inquired as to the proximity to a Telkom pole that you may construct a your structure without infringing on any Telkom servitude. I have been informed that the main Telkom stipulations are:
- that Telkom has unobstructed access to the pole to place ladders in a secure manner
- should you dig foundations, that any underground cable leaving the pole (depth of about 300 - 400mm) should not be damaged or otherwise interfered with Providing the above conditions are met, there are no fixed distances to be observed.
Should any construction you may be planning require any Telkom infrastructure to be moved, you will need to submit your building plans to Telkom and any costs of moving the Telkom infrastructure will be for your account.

captainwifi

08-06-2006, 02:14 AM

Cable jetting , Horizontal directional drillling(HDD) or Trenchless Technology are combined with telephone poles. Fiber,coaxial or telephone wire and even power cable are jetted down a duct pipe made out of polyethylene or poly-pipe(HDPE). A compressor generating 10bar pressure blows the cable down the duct.

This pipe is buried a certain distance below ground down the lenght of the permiter of the houses. Due to HDPE’s low coefficient of friction, cable can be pulled or blown into HDPE duct over great distances and at fast rates.
www.duraline.com technical brief on HDPE:
http://www.duraline.com/en/html/inproducts/pinpoint.html
http://www.duraline.com/en/html/inproducts/microduct.html
"Silicore® super slick permanent lining creates a pathway for easy fibre optic, power or coaxial placement, eliminating the need for liquid lubricants"

Low density polyethylene pipe are used for microspray and drip irrigation. LDPE are pressure rated upto 4bar. MDPE are pressure rated upto 12bar
http://www.plasticpipe.org/applications/productinfo03_4_1.php
http://www.plasticpipe.org/pdf/pubs/handbook/Table_of_Contents.pdf and
http://www.plasticpipe.org/pdf/pubs/handbook/DuctConduit.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_density_polyethylene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piping
www.didata.co.za should be able to provide more information.

Book on cable jetting and installing optical cables in ducts:
http://www.plumettaz.ch/en/products/optical_fiber/jetting_book.asp
Cable Jetting agent for Plumettaz in SA
021 856 0529
smservices@yebo.co.za
Small size cable jetting machine: R50000
Used for 3mm - 6mm pipes.
Large size cable jetting machine: R220000
Used for 9mm - 17mm pipes.

A visual impression of cable jetting:
http://www.plumettaz.ch/en/products/optical_fiber/jetting_explanation.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microduct_cabling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_jetting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre_optic

Horizontal directional drillling(HDD) OR Trenchless Technology
http://www.constructmyfuture.com/machines-horizontal.html ($47000)
Question: how do you put cable or pipe into place under a busy highway without stopping traffic, or under a river or mountain? Answer: a horizontal directional drill. These bore holes in the ground from one point to another, under the guidance of electronics and, more recently, computerized programs. Once the hole is bored - and it can be up to several miles long - the pipe or cable can be attached to the drill and pulled back. The bore from http://www.straightlinehdd.com/Drills.htm is tracked by http://www.straightlinehdd.com/Locators1.htm
The HDD bore follows the contours down the joint perimeter of the houses as the bore is steared by the operator.
Here is a small HDD for $3800:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vermeer-D6-Directional-Drill-Boring-Machine-Kubota-PWR_W0QQitemZ7627532872QQihZ017QQcategoryZ73120QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Underground piercing tools
http://www.improvedconstructionmethods.com/allied_underground_piercing_tools.htm

GRUNDOSTEER SEEMS TO BE THE SOLUTION
http://www.reeftrenchlesstech.co.za are the agents for TTtechnologies.com (011)828 2397
http://www.reeftrenchlesstech.co.za/Grundodrill(page1).asp
Grundosteer Ground Piercing Tool
http://www.tttechnologies.com/products/gsteer/index.html
http://www.georgiaunderground.com/prod_earth_boring/GRUNDOMAT_tools.html

Easy to operate and effective in the field, the Grundosteer is the world’s first steerable piercing tool. The head is tracked from above ground using a handheld tracking device. The head is 75mm in diameter and can bore upto
60m. HDPE pipe can be installed by using the air hose to pull in the pipe after the bore is completed. The tool does not require any special drilling fluid to work properly. The Grundosteer is ideal for installations where directional drill rigs are impractical.
GRUNDOSTEER: R250 000
Grundopit: R600 000
Grundodrill model 7xl Has rubber tracks: R1,5mil

Corrie Scheepers 083 413 1027 blows a Galvanised wire through the pipe via a parashoot and compressor. He has ripped and tunneled through many roads during a project in Houghton where they connected all the houses via HDPE and installed a CCTV system. A ditch is dug 1m from the wall by hand. A pit is dug where the four walls meet. Into this pit the Grundopit is placed. The Grundopit bores a tunnel under the wall to the adjacent pit on the other side of the wall. After this it bores a tunnel towards the house. Adjacent the house a drilbox is installed from which the house connects to the backbone running down the perimeter. Contact him at splender@mweb.co.za for further info.

Or plant telephone poles and suspend a 40mm LDPE pipe(R2.70/m) from it. Insert a 25core twisted_pair with white sheathing that is 10mm in diameter(R10.78/m from Falcon elec). Via the galavanised wire inside the LDPE an additional 25core cable
can be pulled through at a later date, without having to gain physical access to every persons backyard.
Telkom gets their UV protected cable from African telephone cables renamed to Circuit Braker Industries.
Tel (012) 012 381 1400. The cable is known as Aerial Selfsupport Cable. Attie Spangenberg is the technical specialist.

Hammerheadmole Ground Piercing Tool
http://www.hammerheadmole.com
http://www.trenchless.co.za
Ditch Witch Trencher:
Trenching is the solution to use over open space with no structures above ground. R65 Ditch Witch trencher w/ 6 way blade & 4x4 ($6000)
http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5019690&guid=B6BD92F267574CD7895051D351CDA3EC

QUESTION: What about the houses that won't allow me to tunnel or dig a ditch down their perimeter?
Use www.straightlinehdd.com or http://www.tttechnologies.com/products/gsteer/index.html to bypass this house by drilling under the council road infront of his driveway. And relax council won't do anything about it as I have explained in another thread. Or just sting the wire across the road and clamp it to councils pole to pole and back to the house adjacent to yours as a
temp measure until you can cut the road infront of the house not wishing to stop crime.

We are being ripped-off by Telkom. R500 000 for www.straightlinehdd.com HDD is peanuts compared to what we are being scammed out of every month. Forming a company and pooling our resources is possible..... Or alternativly hire the equipment from
http://www.reeftrenchlesstech.co.za

Each resident is in direct communication with every other house as far as the network extends. When you press your panic button, every single house will know you are in distress instantly relayed over the Dslam network - in essence a mini www.eblockwatch.co.za network. Eblockwatch uses cellphones which weren't really designed to be used as a panic button. To send panic signals, panic buttons must be used , sending a signal in the 433mhz band to a receiver connected to the serial port of the PC - onnected to the ADSL modem.

To win the war on the insurgency we need to engage in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Centric_Warfare - where each soldier is in 24hour contact with his fellow soldier. Eblockwatch is an example of this - using 900mhz cell networks. The same concept can be extended to fixed wired Dslams - creating thousands of decentralised mini-Eblockwatch networks - using a different medium and different user interface. Each Adsl modem can see every single camera connected to the Dslam. Both the platoon commander of a regional network and his marines thus have access to every camera in a region creating:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situational_awareness

The platoon commander has the cell number of the SAPS member and will coordinate the SAPS response to an insurgent attack. Andrei Snyman(eblockwatch) has direct access to the relevent SAPS officials and eblockwatch decides on the priority to accord a distress situation.

Combining Fiber with Dslams and CCTV:
The fiber and analogue twisted pair copper(for CCTV) are inserted in the HDPE. Above ground are the the Adsl modem copper wire suspended from telephone poles. The DSLAM, functioning as a switch collects the ADSL modems data connected to it via twisted pair copper wire and multiplexes these data via the Gigabit link that physically plugs into the DSLAM itself, unto the secret Telkom uplink. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLAM
Even if the telephone lines are cut CCTV connectivity won't be lost. The potential of having the fiber cut above ground is perhaps to great of a risk, thus it must be placed inside the HDPE. Additional fiber can be added to the backbone as needed. This backbone can branch out into multiple backbones creating a vast see of interconnected houses. Telkom basically builds their exchanges in this manner. Every block of houses shares a 48 even 200 port Dslam, with these Dslams connected to one of multiple fiber backbones that traverses the length of the country.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY SCHEME AND TELKOM'S network is that Telkom has the legal right to plant a pole in your garden and make Billions. I am merely asking for permission to plant an additional pole that will be shared by everybody - what difference will it make to your life? Telephone poles are the backbone of enabeling realtime decentralised voice,video and data communication. The ultimate goal of convergence is to achieve Voice, Video and Data anytime, anywhere virtually for free.

savage

08-06-2006, 06:45 AM

This message is hidden because captainwifi is on your ignore list. :D Say what?

telkomsuig

08-06-2006, 10:18 AM

This message is hidden because captainwifi is on your ignore list. :D Say what?

I quite enjoy his posts lol

captainwifi

08-06-2006, 08:06 PM

Let's focus on pure analogue video transmission over a distance of 1km. www.eaglecctv.co.za sells a Twisted Pair Video Converter Kit Model E-TPT-BNC/E-TPR-BNC. The transmitter converts the analogue signal to digital, transmits it over 1km to the receiver which converts it back to analogue. To cover a block of houses 1km in length(four streets) would need around 14 cameras and 200m Infra-red Led modules. The details on the leds are posted elsewhere in another thread I started. All these analogue signals are brought back to a central control room with four www.zoneminder.com PC's. Each PC has a 4-port KMC-4400R Kodicom capture card - details on Zoneminder's wiki. www.anko-tech.com asks $50 per KMC-4400r card. It has four BT878 chips and works under Linux and Windows. The pico card is only $12/card and connects four cameras unto one BT878 chip, providing a frame rate of 2/s.

Manual on setting up a DSLAM: Subnetting, NAT, QOS:
http://www.versatek.com/products/manuals/vx1000-UseGuide-v11.pdf

The Adsl2+ Dslam can stream 24meg on a single port, or 24cameras images (Mpeg-4) can be streamed per port.
Thus every person with an Adsl modem can access all the camera streams centralised at the Zoneminder PC's - creating
situational awareness. You simply can't do this with a Linksys WRT54g AP. By daisy-chaining Dslams cheap copper can be used to extend the streams instead of using Fiber - it depends on various factors.

The larger the CCD sensor the better the spectral response or the better image resolution is achieved. 1/2'' CCD coupled with an Infra-red laser can detect motion at 800m. 1/3'' provides a good trade-off between cost and performance. 1/4'', 1/3'' and 1/2'' are sizes used for nightvision. The lux value must be at least 0.01lux for long distance vision.
http://www.expandore.com/product/Sony/Colour%20Block%20Camera/XC_ST50.htm
http://www.alarms-r-us.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=45483
Alarms-r-us sells the http://www.wateccameras.net CCD camera. Watec cameras are used in Astronomy.
WAT-902h2 lux -> 0.0001, WAT-525ex lux -> 0.003
South African distributo of Watec
Scientific Alert , 011 476 5718, [ 0.0003 Lux camera R2440] , [0.08 lux R570,00]

Nightvision for CCD are usually done in the 820-880nm spectrum. A cluster of high power www.roithner-laser.com diodes(820nm) will glow like red dragon eyes which are not allowed besides the road since it will look a red robot. For street surveillance 940nm must be used which is completely invisable to the human eye. The diodes are more expensive and the spectral response of the CCD must sensitive in the 940nm region. To prevent headlights from blinding the camera a IR filter lens is attached or a peak white inversion camera is used. Discriminating between a human walking down the street and a car driving past is possible. See www.zoneminder.com wiki for details on this.

www.baxall.com sells a camera with an A/D converter on every pixel of the CCD sensor. The camera is usually used to attenuate sharp light overloading the CCD sensor. http://www.reditron.co.za will be able to provide more info on the Baxall range. www.axis.com ethernet camera's CCD sensor are not suitable for nightvision applications. A high end mini-itx connected to a KMC-4400r or Pico capture card should be used and the mini-itx ethernet port connected to the network. http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu are used by Zoneminder to stream Jpeg images over the network. In this way
an Axis ethernet camera functionality is simulated. For a high current(2A, 12v) long range IR camera like the E-558(eaglecctv) use a standard PC power supply. Bridge the Green and Black contacts on the ATX connector to power it up.

Twisted pair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair cable is 40c/m. Camera 1/2'' CCD and lens +-R2000, Leds +-
R2000 ,KMC-4400r datacapture card R380.
Assuming 44 houses boxed in between four roads on a 1km distance.
The whole project will cost: +- R100 000.
R100 000/44 = R2272/house.
A combination of trenching, telephone poles, Horizontal directional
drilling HDD and Underground Piercing Tools will have to be used. Having to digitise the video signal at the source will be cost prohibitive.

By adding 44 few extra strands of twisted pair the houses connects their Adsl modems to the Dslam - linked to the secret Telkom uplink:) Four adajcent Dslams in close proximity (30m from each other) can be bridged under the road using fiber creating a network of 176 houses. These 176 can now bridged using 5.8ghz parabolic to the adjacent cluster of 176 houses. Combining Dslams with 5.8ghz parabolics a formidable negotiating powerblock can formed against Telkom.

Now go to council and make a proposal, and frame the whole thing in terms of community CCTV. Establishing a council/community partnership and taking out a lone.The R100000 could be repaid in two years if everybody signs a debit order between R110-R150. We should have a national emergency Marshall plan where government, council, communities and IT people come together and import camera's, Kodicom datacapture cards and motherboards in a massive nationwide effort to turn the tide against crime.

The exact same twisted pair used for the analogue cameras can be used for connecting Adsl modems to the Dslam. Thus CCTV is a wonderful ruse to use as a means of secretly sneaking in a stable Telkom Diginet line.:D

DC-drive Zoom lenses must be used on all the cameras. RS-485 on a single twisted pair controls all the zoom lenses from the central location. Install PIR, Infrared beams and electromagnetic detectors for vehicles at the street entrences. As a person walking enters a street the PIR,beams will alert the base enabling the zoom lens to focus in on him from over 200m in pitch black darkness using the low lux Watec cameras and Roithner Leds. The idea is to have the zoom lense cycle through it's range and scan for motion for set periods. Combining PIR, beams and vehicle detectors with motion detection secures a street more than just motion detection alone. Watec doesn't have an inbuilt Infrared filter lens. Attach a small steppermotor, Atmel controler chip, ambient light detector to automatically position the filter infront of the lens so that vehicle headlights can be filtered out.

Every 100m an Infra-red perimeter beam should be placed. See http://www.inhep.co.za Ideally an Electromagnetic vehicle detector should also be placed every 100m to discriminate between a human and vehicle. Doppler radar and laser speed detection devices determines the speed of a vehicle driving down a street. Should a vehicle have a radar jamming device, manual verification will be done by the operator. Attach a RFID tag to each street resident's vehicle so that the operator can only focus on vehicles of interest. A RFID vehicle tag reader is installed at the entrances and exits of the street. It is the same sort of thing used by Tollgates to allow cars to pay without stopping.

Slice the street into multiple zones
Three cameras should be trained down the length of the street. One to monitor only the tar road and the other two to monitor the pavements. Motion detection works best the narrower the zone is to be monitored. Multiple cameras can be spanned adjacent to each other, thus slicing up the road into as many sections as desired. Plant two poles on the pavement and suspend the camers at a certain height across the road. It is critical that nobody's privacy is invaded with such a setup, with each resident able to see each camera output this will be ensured.

Missile tracking technology
In the academic journals of computer science and Image processing research on object tracking have been published. The technology is so advanced that
a single camera can track multiple objects. So for instance a human not keeping his course strait down the road will trigger an alert. If only the government would spend a few million to om C++ programmers and mathematicians to incorporate this technology into the opensource Zoneminder platform...sigh...
CSIR has a Neural Network system that can discern between a human and animal. Motion detected images can be further processed using AI and
Neural Nets as described in the Journals. The trick is in convincing the public and the ANC to cooperate and employ fulltime image processing software
engineers to incorporate all this into open source software.

Protecting the CCTV camera against sabotage
PIR detectors are protected from having the heat sensing unit spray painted with black paint by
using a short range Ultra-Sonic detector to detect any attempt as masking the PIR. It is known in the
trade as PIR anti-masking. Clamp such an Ultra-Sonic detector against the camera to determine if a thief
spray paints the camera. This is especially useful if the camera is not in motion detection mode.

skydog

08-06-2006, 09:56 PM

I quite enjoy his posts lol
:eek:
i dont have time to read the drivel
/me looks at above post :rolleyes:

-toady-

09-06-2006, 07:21 PM

*The transmitter converts the analogue signal to digital, transmits it over 1km to the receiver which converts it back to analogue. To cover a block of houses 1km in length(four streets) would need around 14 cameras and 200m Infra-red Led modules. The details on the leds are posted elsewhere in another thread I started. All these analogue signals are brought back to a central control room with four www.zoneminder.com PC's *

Well, i think he is some sort of weird genius quite frankly.

CacklinTard
__________
Sherwood CPF Sector 3:D

arf9999

10-06-2006, 10:15 AM

idiot savant (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+idiot+savant&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official) maybe? I'm not so sure about the savant bit

captainwifi

15-06-2006, 01:27 PM

And all of this is 100% legal according to p.15 of the ECA because our
network is Non-profit which means we are allowed to collect money so as to
cover the costs. The word 'may' of p.15 reflected in the grammatical context of the phrase 'may or must' of p.12 therefore means all network topologies like that of Que Incident spanning multiple kilometers are legal until Icasa decides otherwise. Icasa won't declare Que Incident's surveillance network illegal and thus our investment in our own 'CCTV ruse network' is also safe.
(Que Incident's network is discussed in another thread)

We are being played for the fool by Telkom,www.itweb.co.za ,Telecoms lawyers, Isps and the security companies as they desperatly try to prevent us from forming our own surveillance networks. Each house pays his R300 a month then each presses his panic button, the palooka security arrives by which time the insurgent ran away... a never ending farce.

These sheisters knew full well that act.96/ECA are unconsitutional as far as John Welch is concerned, since he is the only person that could establish a precedent which he will never do.

For example a few years ago Telkom ordered Icasa to tackle www.uninet.co.za Icasa dragged some hapless policeman along to take a statement. Even if Uninet's lawyer www.nicciferguson.co.za had written on the charge sheet:"John Welch is bang vir die boere", nothing would have happend since you can't force the NPA to establishing a precedent and thus forcing the NPA to become the enforcement stooge of Telkom who is nothing but a legal firm with a Dslam on it's roof.

The NPA is in a difficult position in the sense that they can't exactly
take out full page advertisements explaining that half the stuff
published in the Government gazette is a load of unconstitutional elephant
snot.

The unwarranted threats published in gazette now induces a psycosis of
fear that is paralysing our society and preventing people from even discussing the options available to them.

It's because of the independance of the NPA that Leon Wessels can't force
all of us to either pay the compliance lawyers R1850 or sing 'Baba Greensheep' every morning.

Form a neihbourhood comitee and try your best to explain to them that our
joint perimeters don't have Dr.Manto perched on it clutching a bag of Benny Hinn gold dust!

Back to telephone poles
Problems are solved by discussing it. The phsycological effect of people actually talking to one another will at least be a start at stopping crime in your street. The network could be dirt cheap at first. Initiate the network with just
enough twisted pair wires for the analogue cameras - no Dslams. Just four cameras perhaps to cover the 300m to the left and 300m to the right of your home and a few telephone poles.

Stream only the Zoneminder motion triggered images over a www.datapro.co.za 1gig local bandwidth line to a security company during the night to conserve bandwidth. Just get something going: It will expand as you demonstrate the sheer
brilliance of building your own telephone exchange. Yes, yes I know wireless can cover such an area - but now you are missing my point. Telephone poles enables the creation of a massive SWITCH which can easily expand to any size by just planting an additional pole. Its not subject to RF interference, Fresnel zone or fake SSIDs and has virtually unlimited bandwidth for triple-play services. Don't use cat5 from your roof to link to the adjacent house. Plant two telephone poles,it is more hassle but at least it's a start.

-toady-

15-06-2006, 06:53 PM

ok I stand by what I said previously: a weird GENIUS!!! Hysterical and had me fallin about thank you Captain :D

CacklinToad
__________
Does Ben Need a Bath?

*RAMCO - Durban's Own Path to True Enlightenment*
*Dr. Raven Naidoo of Radian - Much the same for Capetown *

BradDC

15-06-2006, 08:32 PM

captainwifi >> stupid question... why on earth are you using copper and not fiber optic?

3gmac

15-06-2006, 09:34 PM

Zyxel 8-port mini-Dslam: R6645 including chassi. Additional 8-port is R5000

So for 16 ports you are looking at +- R730 / port. This is actually very cheap. Even assuming Telkom buys better quality than Zyxel the price would not be much more(if not less) as they would buy at bulk price, so how on earth can they jusify the R270 - R680 monthly line rental cost???? It's not that I have been ignorant regarding this rip off in the past but I really did think that it cost them more than this to set up ADSL infrastructure. I know there would be other costs like linking the DSLAMS into the backbone but t I do not see how this would so radicly push up there costs. :mad: :mad: :mad:

bullfrog

15-06-2006, 10:18 PM

skydog

15-06-2006, 11:23 PM

Ok didn't read through the whole thread, but i think it might be a good idea. There is a guy here in my town who runs his own wireless network from 17 uncapped adsl connections. He seems to be running quite a successful business. If cptwifi is successful and could later some how make it more legal, he could make quite a large network. So if he really thinks that he can manage it and make the internet a bit cheaper, then I say go for it.

I don't think one person on this forum is against cheaper internet. however they do not see people that troll these forums saying the same thing over and over again with very little sense but simply googling for links and posting absolute $h1t3. He says that it is so easy to dig up roads and he has all the peoples names and numbers... he must stop filling this forum with garbage.

why didn't you read the whole thread :rolleyes:

Debbie

16-06-2006, 12:13 AM

I don't know whether this is viable or not, and I don't really understand much of what is being proposed here. Maybe captainwifi's plan is viable, maybe it is not.

Either way, I just want to point out to you captainwifi that I'm almost certain you are going to need an EIA process. Don't take this lightly or think that the environmental laws are never enforced in SA. THEY ARE. I know of a number of people who have lost, literally, many millions of Rands for failing to get the thumbs-up following an EIA/SIA conducted post-structure set-up.

AFAIK, council approval does not automatically imply compliance with the Enviro laws. Do not rely on what council may tell you. Rather check the laws yourself. I am under the impression that you are aware of this already, I just wanted to point it out to you in case you are not aware.

You're not my exactly favourite person on the forums, but nevertheless I wish you good luck and support any attempt to give Telkom the finger.

captainwifi

16-06-2006, 01:19 AM

Kom ek vertel gou vir almal n storie:
A couple of years ago Bless Bridges was singing in that beautiful tenor voice
of his to a couple of boere tannies when suddenly one of them piped up
:"Ek wil nou my soentjie he want ek het nog nooit een gekry nie..."
Poor Bless didn't know what to do. He had the same look on his face that
Noleen had when Piet and his lifetime partner Koos phoned in during a
live broadcast... Bless had no choice but to oblige as tannie Schuster gave him a 'soentjie'.

My detractors are like that tannie - kicking up a huge fuss, but not actually
adressing my arguments like for example p.15 of the ECA in any specific detail. Some of you should develop your abstract thinking skills before posting!

And debbie2 mam actually no, that speedcop who asked the baby how does one spell 'Sasol' doesn't have to do an Environmental Impact Assesment before cutting the road for a speedtrap.

Debbie

16-06-2006, 01:37 AM

And debbie2 mam actually no, that speedcop who asked the baby how does one spell 'Sasol' doesn't have to do an Environmental Impact Assesment before cutting the road for a speedtrap.

Ag whatever. I have a degree in the subject but hey, you're right.

arf9999

16-06-2006, 10:15 AM

K

Some of you should develop your abstract thinking skills before posting!

LOL!! :D

"Abstract" is just the issue. Can we request some practical thinking in return?

edit: Sorry, I was laughing so much that I prematurely posted. What I meant to say is that the cap'n is welcome to his abstract thoughts, but does he really need to share them? Sometimes those little voices in your head should just stay there.

captainwifi

19-06-2006, 09:48 PM

....... make it more legal.....
Bullfrog I think you are missing my point slightly.

En ek dink die beste manier om te verduidelik wat ek bedoel is om julle
almal nog n storie te vertel:

A few years ago I was near Acornhoek seemingly the only lonesome umhlungu
in a radius of 20km. It was a slowe day. I had a few bananas left in
my scoro-scoro and went to buy the paper. There was no Beeld only the latest edition of A Zombi Stole My Baby. As I sat and read about the fearsome creatures stalking South Africa an enourmous advertisement of Omo with a picture of a women grimacing like a constipated mule:"Bright like new, Bright like you" beamed down on me. As I reflect back on this I wonder by myself if Saatchi & Saatchi would ever be able to convice Helen Zille to grimace like a horse while clutching a jar of Estee Lauder- 'Lyk weer soos n jong bokkie wonder room'- and plant a 5x3 meter board of her infront of the dames of Featherbrook.

Did you know that you can pitch a board outside your home with the
slogan:"Dr.Raath anti-Aids Kokstadpadda-toor-poeier. Apply
three times daily to your foefenjol and put the spring back into your step!"?

Now Tony Leon want's to know why John Welch won't prosecute a person for advertising false and misleading medical information. Because if he prosecutes anybody and establishes a precedent he would have to prosecute tannie Manto - which he would not dream of doing.

telkomsuig

20-06-2006, 08:21 AM

Bullfrog I think you are missing my point slightly.

En ek dink die beste manier om te verduidelik wat ek bedoel is om julle
almal nog n storie te vertel:

A few years ago I was near Acornhoek seemingly the only lonesome umhlungu
in a radius of 20km. It was a slowe day. I had a few bananas left in
my scoro-scoro and went to buy the paper. There was no Beeld only the latest edition of A Zombi Stole My Baby. As I sat and read about the fearsome creatures stalking South Africa an enourmous advertisement of Omo with a picture of a women grimacing like a constipated mule:"Bright like new, Bright like you" beamed down on me. As I reflect back on this I wonder by myself if Saatchi & Saatchi would ever be able to convice Helen Zille to grimace like a horse while clutching a jar of Estee Lauder- 'Lyk weer soos n jong bokkie wonder room'- and plant a 5x3 meter board of her infront of the dames of Featherbrook.

Did you know that you can pitch a board outside your home with the
slogan:"Dr.Raath anti-Aids Kokstadpadda-toor-poeier. Apply
three times daily to your foefenjol and put the spring back into your step!"?

Now Tony Leon want's to know why John Welch won't prosecute a person for advertising false and misleading medical information. Because if he prosecutes anybody and establishes a precedent he would have to prosecute tannie Manto - which he would not dream of doing.

So what you are saying is you can put up a board in your front yard... advertising anti - aids cures and use the same board as a a Wifi repeater...

savage

21-06-2006, 08:33 AM

Heh. Taking a certain person off ignore and reading his posts makes for some good entertainment early in the morning when you battle to wake up :)

cptwifi... Why not just run a fence made out of fiber optics? :P Just imagine all the bandwidth u can get... ;)

captainwifi

26-06-2006, 02:10 PM

Telephone poles allows rapid rollout of a network but need not be permanent. Like Corrie Scheepers did in Houghton the poles can be gradually replaced underground for the houses that wish to do so.

These networks will finally connect to the Pretoria Digital hub backbone.
The Metro police and council will monitor our streets and thus crime prevention will revert back to the government. One could even forsee Metro police responding to situations in the Eastern suburbs.

Its easy to complain about crime, but why don't you calm down a bit and consider what I am posting here? The police has centralised the crime statistics and are not shareing this information with us, thus we can't help them in responding to shifting crime patterns. One of the reasons are because of the acrimony between the public and the central government and thus we have a breakdown in communication.

And since everybody is fighting fit instead of trying to achieve situational
awareness we are just sinking further into the abyss of crime.
The least we can do is to establish our lines of communication between one another and with local council. They in turn being semi-government will be able to engage central-government.

The central-government will now be able to evaluate the technical specifications. How many MP's for example know that www.wateccameras.com canwork on starlight and cover a vast area for nighttime surveillance? The more people are conversent with the detailed technical information in setting up decentralised surveillance systems the more likely the government would take an active role in procuring this equipment and negotiating a better price.

Ultimately the idea is to have the central government pinch off a few billions
form their capital expenditure program and actually give every single
street a camera. But this can only happen if enough people with direct access to Pres. Mbeki comprehends the technical and social aspects involved.

-toady-

26-06-2006, 06:52 PM

*The Metro police and council will monitor our streets and thus crime prevention will revert back to the government. One could even forsee Metro police responding to situations in the Eastern suburbs.*

Hokay u are one scary dude - But why do u assume it will be the Metro police monitoring our streets? Tis a fait accompli (spellin?) down my way already. Otherwise totally spot on ! U win $60000000000000000 and three weeks in sunny Madeira :D

CacklinToad
__________
A Project Test Survivor

*RAMCO - Durban's Own Path to True Enlightenment*:eek:
Dr Raven Naidoo - Pretty much the same for Cape Town :eek:

-toady-

27-06-2006, 06:35 AM

But I say a fait accompli as our streetlights (NOT telephone poles) were attended to early in 2004. The superintendent of ALL power for Durban, himself, spent at least 20 minutes on our verge assuring me that the new devices were a Highly Technical Computerised Anti-Theft device. However, on querying the efficacy of this system later (2 large white boxes angled to face our house with sensor lights clearly showing) No less than 5 vehicles arrived to remove these boxes and I was told then that they were dummies - which they werent. The guy who opened them tried to block my view but I clearly saw some sort of lens/eye and loads of coloured wires.
We have suffered several power cuts involving only my DroneMasters property and ours and been informed that we SHARE a fuse with my DroneMaster, and we have sensors directed at our house on every available lightpole :D
This presumably because i consider myself a whistle-blower to the corruption rife in our neighbourhood?
To those of you who may have heard that 'even her own husband says she is crackers' I would LOVE to know how and where you got this information? True tho it may be - an honest (unlikely) answer to this question should reveal the extent of the invasive nature of these devices.
I would suggest that it is certainly not just this Toads privacy that is being so blatantly compromised but rather, a large section of our neighbourhood as well. Nuttier than a fruitcake? Hokay - if you say so.
I know squat about fibre optic cable apart from what I read here and have come to the conclusion that a vast amount of money has been spent in our neighbourhood over the past 2 years.
The ongoing smear campaign has been ably assisted by my inability to articulate even the simplest of things and an innate stupidity of mammoth proportions.
I have schooled myself to be amused and flattered by all this negative attention as opposed to self-destructing and am the better for it.
One question here - Does the fact that you wear a fancy title mean that your credibility goes unquestioned? It certainly would appear to be the case.:D

CacklinTard
__________
The Toad That Walks By Itself and unashamedly believes that Good will ultimately triumph.

*RAMCO - Durban's Own Path to True Enlightenment*
Dr. Raven Naidoo - Pretty much the same for Cape Town.

captainwifi

28-06-2006, 07:18 PM

By building decentralised horizontally integrated networks in a region we can elect a representative that will liase with Charles Kuun directly, who in turn will consult with Amos Masondo who in turn will engage the central government. And thus we achieve vertical and horizontal integration -
we communicate. We can't all phone Charles Kuun or Pres. Thabo directly.
What on earth are they supposed to do about your crime problem in anycase, if you are to useless to engage the person next door?

UNDERGROUND BUNKER:
The situation is geting so out of hand with the insurgents jumping through
the roofs of houses that I propose building an underground bunker with a 5cm thick steel door than can only be openend via hydrolics. So even if they use a blowtorch it will take them a while to get to you. The perimeter cameras will pick them up in the garden giving you enough time to head for the bunker and call for backup. Yes, yes I know this is outrageous but do you have any better ideas?:o

My issue with Isps are that they are making their problem our problem. They can only have a viable business model with a centralised datanetwork as they
basically sell us air. Anybody can build a telephone network: Dslams, cheap
fiber and Linux now makes this a reality. A block of a 1000 houses interconnected forms a decentralised communications network and are horizontally integrated. Such a network can now link to the crime hotspots say for example the offramps in JHB via Locust mesh etc. A horizontal network will have a snowball effect as more people join the network and provide services.

With the SNO we are again going to have massive duplication of services.
The Telkom fiber link between Pretoria and Jhb has virtually infinite bandwidth
why must we have yet another fiber link? Why don't the SNO and Telkom share this link? Consumers are told the whole time that we will now have 'competition' .In other words the SNO will sell us air slighty cheaper than Telkom will.

Instead of keeping it topsecret tell everybody where you have tunneled
under the road so we can share that fiber link. Using VPN and encryption
data can be kept confidential. By cooperating we lower the cost of doing
business for everybody.

Horizontal integration is not taking place because the public has no
refrence frame in which to evaluate the technical factors I am describing here. And having www.itweb.co.za specifically censor stories on communities like Houghton building their own telephone exchanges doesn't make my task any easier.

The only thing pulling this country's economy through at the moment is China's demand for commodities. We have got to achieve horizontal and vertical integration before the commodity cycle ends so that our economy can be geared towards IT, tourism and the call centre business.

South-Africa is not the only country with problems. France's youth ultimate
dream apparantly is to enter the civil service because then "you have a job
for life." They are angry, bitter and throwing tantrums like a five year old.
Russias young men are brutalised, their country so mired in corruption that
even Nigeria looks better by comparison.

Even if all you do is provide bemused permission for that extra telephone pole in your garden(not contributing a cent) then at least we can start with the horizontal integration and decentralised networking of our country.

MMS gateway servers:
I have been in discussion with a South-African company who has a MMS
gateway server. My idea is to GPRS/ADsl the captured image from www.zoneminder.com to their gateway server which in turn will MMS the image to the relevent cellphone. Thus you will know when somebody is in your garden before he knocks down the wall with a 10kg hammer as is starting to happen now in this lovely country of ours. They think it is an excellent idea and have given me the technical details on interfacing with their server. Now to just rap it all up into a python class. Anybody willing to help?

skydog

28-06-2006, 10:39 PM

Yes, yes I know this is outrageous but do you have any better ideas?:o

Yes... wake up and live in the real world

Anybody can build a telephone network: Dslams, cheap
fiber and Linux now makes this a reality.

if anyone can build one then why have you not done so.... cheap fiber... pfft more like cheap talk

Anybody willing to help?

I am... I'm doing something instead of post garbage... well some of the time.
I am helping build a community wireless network for use by all.

what you doing?

rsachoc

29-06-2006, 07:29 AM

Well, of all the rubbish that CaptainWifi talks, this statement
With the SNO we are again going to have massive duplication of services.
The Telkom fiber link between Pretoria and Jhb has virtually infinite bandwidth
why must we have yet another fiber link? Why don't the SNO and Telkom share this link? Consumers are told the whole time that we will now have 'competition' .In other words the SNO will sell us air slighty cheaper than Telkom will. actually makes sense...

Other than that, what do French and Russian youths have to do with anything?

damian24

11-07-2006, 09:01 PM

Well, of all the rubbish that CaptainWifi talks, this statement actually makes sense...

Other than that, what do French and Russian youths have to do with anything?

Actually I think CaptainWifi is still smoking socks, Jhb/Pretoria was only 655Mbps last time I checked, that's about 40 times less than what a single hosting provider in the states has (www.theplanet.com) with 28gb/s total bandwidth.

infinite... my left foot...

D

rsachoc

12-07-2006, 08:49 AM

OK OK so maybe not infinite, but theres alot :-)

damian24

12-07-2006, 11:10 AM

OK OK so maybe not infinite, but theres alot :-)

Actually methinks it's already more than 50% utilised if I recall some of my discussions with the SAIX guys a while back.

They're laying blame squarley on the ADSL door step here, this is sort of believable as 655 1mb users d/ling could saturate JHB/Pretoria... oh... so that's why they're capping <g>....

D

captainwifi

17-07-2006, 01:49 PM

Aerial self support cable also known as figure eight cable can be obtained
from CAble feeder systems 011 452 1684.
10 pair -> R11,20 copper
20 pair -> R18,20 copper
30 pair -> R24,95 copper

Louis knows a few ex-Telkom employees that will be able to plant the poles
and suspend the cables. He has frame modules, L-brackets, Earth rods,
backframes and the Telkom manual on planting and earthing telephone
poles.

captainwifi

18-07-2006, 11:13 AM

Instead of planting an additional pole simply use the existing pole in your garden, the one that Telkom is getting an eternal recurring income stream from. The pole that cost them R30 to plant 20 years ago.

Let's keep the costs way down. Pull 8 twisted pairs through a 15mm LDPE and clamp it to a galvanised wire to suspend it from pole to pole. And only use the wire (at first) for CCTV, this gives us the moral edge against the evil Telkom who doesn't want people to protect themselves with CCTV crossing boundaries.

There is not much Telkom can do about it. They can't sue you for 'damages' since we are not damaging their infrastructure. We are merely implementing
the spirit of Ubuntu you know, we are shareing the infrastructure.
Different way of doing it
Six adjacent houses(H1-H6) have a Zoneminder box installed each with four cameras securing their perimeter.(24cameras)
H1,H2..H6 connects it's CCTV data and Internet data to a switch besides it's Zoneminder box. This switch intefaces with a Fiber/Ethernet module. Dualmode Fiber is run for a short distance to the ServingAreaInterface or telecommunications cabinet. Fiber eliminates the lightning problem from H1 to the ServingAreaInterface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serving_Area_Interface Copper though can be used if buried below ground using a walk-behind VibratoryPlow. At the SAI another Fiber/Ethernet module interfaces with an eight-port switch. This switch plugs into the Gigabit interface of ''Dslam1''. Dslam1,switch and routers are housed inside the SAI.

H1-H6 video streams out via one Dslam1 port over a single TwistedPair suspended from Telkom's Telephone pole to the
next DsLam2, 400m away. Dslam2 receives Dslam1 data on it's port via an ADSL modem. Dslam1 has ports available and can
receive Internet/video data from Dslam2. By adding an additional TwistedPair two-way high bandwidth communication is possible and either Dslam can function as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_office. Two Dslams linked in this way are protected with lightning surge protectors.
H7-H12 connects to ''Dslam2''. Upto eight Dslams can be daisy chained.

Instead of tunneling under the joint perimeter of H1,H2,H3 and H4, bore a hole through the wall and install a galvanised pipe through
which the fiber or copper is pulled to connect to the SAI or telecommunications cabinet.

The boxed in houses to the East of H1,H2,H4..H12 can connect via TwistedPair and an ADSL modem to either Dslam2 or Dslam1 open ports
by cutting a thin slit through the tar road using the same machine a Traffic officer uses. These machines are avaible for R300/day
from http://www.talisman.co.za. The blade is 4mm in diameter.

TARMAN 012 542 2380 informs me that Multiple slits can be cut into the road using these machines and thus multiple ADLS modems can transmit over the road.

VDSL bridge - no DSLAM
Connect six houses to a normal switch. The switch connects to a VDSL/Ethernet bridge as described on p1 of this thread. These six houses connect
via CAT-5 Ethernet to the switch. The cat-5 cable is buried below ground with a walk-behind vibratory plow and hole bored through the wall at the
joint perimeters. The cat-5 cable is inserted into LDPE poly -pipe 20mm(R1,80/m) and sealed at the ends with silicon and glue. Wholesale CAT-5 cable
are available to CCs for R1,80/m. The single AWG26 twisted pair wire is clamped to to Telkom's pole and the data streamed over 1km to the CO VDSL bridge.
Or one could even insert the AWG26 into a 15mm LDPE and just run it ON-TOP of the joint perimeter wall of everybody as a temporary measure.[

Once they have tasted the power of true broadband local loop communications , they might then start planting their own poles or HDD under their driveway for a more permanent setup. This is probably the most cost effective way of just getting the project of the ground.

Absolute community control of CCTV
The operators themselves will have a camera trained on them so that anybody with an ADSL modem can watch the control room. Each resident's CCTV data will be encrypted on a PC locked behind a metal enclosure that is itself watched by a camera 24hours a day. You would be able to delete your property's video footage by simply sending an SMS to the control room PC.

MeshNetworking can't scale beyond a few users
and thus is not a viable solution for high bandwidht CCTV. A limited hybrid network combining MeshNetworking and DsLam is possible but should only be used as a temporary measure to facilitate the rollout of the community telephone exchange. The mesh network can get it's DHCP leases from any ADSL modem connected to a DsLam. The focus should be to extend the DsLam network and not multiple 2.4ghz spectrum polluting antennas all over the place.

CHUBB SECURITY VIDEO SURVEILANCE ROOM:
By advertising to the criminals that every house is connected via a Dslam and proving that the residents are streaming their perimeters to a central base, the criminals would avoid such a block of houses. H50 with a logo: CHUBB SECURITY VIDEO SURVEILANCE ROOM fitted with 20monitors and an armed guard will get the message accross. Even the houses that don't have a single camera around their perimeter will benefit since the insurgents won't know which house is camera free. If only these residents will allow those few extra strands of copper cabletied to their Telkom poles .... It won't even cost them a cent - I could actually save their lives....sigh....:rolleyes:

You achieve very little by placing four cameras around your perimeter with the insurgents knowing that nobody is watching those cameras: It is a waste of money and time. They know that with Telkoms available bandwidth you
can't possibly stream those footage on a continual basis.

Establishing a fixed wired copper connection between houses is the only way crime will be stopped. This concept must be marketed and patiently explained to people that are not technically inclined. It is so easy to solve the residential crime problem - especially in streets that have low volume traffic. All it takes is just a little bit of Lateral Thinking , cameras and a few DSLAMS.

You will really have to think of innovative ways to convince people to allow that extra pole in their garden. Explain to your bemused, dazed, 'Ek-bang-hom-baas-Icasa', baffled neighbour suffering from the Stockholm effect that even if he has no interest in getting rid of Telkom he should allow that extra pole so that when he is away on holiday he can rent four cameras and a Zoneminder box from a security firm. Explain patiently (don't get exited) that it is not Icasa who has to go for trauma counciling: It is his raped wife.

With the copper wires suspended from the community TelephonePole over his property it is just a matter of clipping in the Zoneminder box to the nearest DSLAM. Every single motion will logged on a database at the control room 100 houses hence manned by CHUBB security.

You can sign a contract with CHUBB that they are responsible for any breakins if the MySql database proves via WaterMarked timestamped images that somebody did jump over the wall at 2am and the guards failed to respond. A community TelephoneExchange allows residents and insurance companies to hold security firms more accountable for break-ins then without an exchange.

telkomsuig

18-07-2006, 02:46 PM

wouldn't it be easier just to tunnel under public roads?

skydog

18-07-2006, 03:03 PM

wouldn't it be easier just to tunnel under public roads?

or dig up the road and put fiber with DSLAMs

telkomsuig

18-07-2006, 03:06 PM

thought the captian has been doing this for a while allready....

skydog

19-07-2006, 06:16 AM

thought the captian has been doing this for a while allready....

I have been looking for the google videos and pictures :rolleyes:

daffy

19-07-2006, 04:01 PM

thought the captian has been doing this for a while allready....
He's been telling people about it for a while. Actually.. he'd been forcing it down our throats. Hijacking threads, creating new ones all over the forum.

We have yet to see any proof that he's actually done anything. And I doubt he ever will.

captainwifi

19-07-2006, 07:23 PM

There seems to be some confusion concerning this road cutting business.
The person I listed on this thread Corrie Scheepers (083 413 1027)companie' name is Planar Construction. You are more than welcome to bring your video camera along and tape him cutting his next road without council permission.

A project he recently finished was linking two banks branches in JHB
CBD 15m underground a total distance of 100m. To get the full background
to this thread you should read this thread.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=29635

Start a page 1, it's actually rather amusing. At the time though
the 'getting permission' issue was my main concern. I didn't know about Trenchless technology or much about anything else concerning fixed wired communication.

captainwifi

19-07-2006, 07:43 PM

wouldn't it be easier just to tunnel under public roads?

Yes, but it is much more expensive. If you cut the road and council skims the road
after 10 years, you will have to lay your cables all over. If you tunnel no roadworks
will ever disturb the wires. It's all about the cost benefit trade-off.

And ofcourse the cheapest option is planting two poles and suspending wires.

Lord Anubis

20-07-2006, 05:30 AM

Can someone please move this to OT as its mostly cr@p. I have never read so much nonsensical "tryin to sound TECHNO" drivel in my life before and obviously has little to do with this subsection of the forum, hense should be in a trashcan or in OT.

skydog

20-07-2006, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by telkomsuig
wouldn't it be easier just to tunnel under public roads?

Yes, but it is much more expensive. If you cut the road and council skims the road
after 10 years, you will have to lay your cables all over. If you tunnel no roadworks
will ever disturb the wires. It's all about the cost benefit trade-off.

And ofcourse the cheapest option is planting two poles and suspending wires.

:rolleyes:
We onto the telephone pole idea

damian24

24-07-2006, 11:11 AM

This thread just won't die... :eek:

captainwifi

20-08-2006, 08:10 PM

www.flexopower.com (011) 465 0022 sells a personal video display goggle that weighs 300g as described in Popular mechanics p.45 Aug. 2006 edition.
The i-Theatre(R2000) has an RCA jack that accepts analogue video.
Place a Watec camera/Roithner LED/laser on your head and you have a nightvision
system who's power depends on the size of your battery pack. Strap a www.mini-itx.com pc board on a guard and using GPRS you can see instantly what he sees.

You will also need a DC-DC converter as explained here:
http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Infrared_Leds%2C_Cameras%2C_DC-DC_converters_etc

www.eaglecctv.co.za will be able to provide more info on the setup as described. They sell a HUD unit that straps unto the head that are used by Boeing technicians The laser I am refering to is an Infrared-Laser or Infra-red LEDS (less distance). The lasers though are very expensive and for most purposes the LEDs should suffice.

In tests Eaglecctv did they took a 1/2'' inch CCD camera (Watec's are double the sensitivity) and connected it to a 1200mm Lens. Using a 840nm Infra-red laser they
were able to see Unisa from Voortrekker Monument at night. A picture of the laser can be found at Roithner's website as posted in this thread. A 940nm laser/LED provides complete covert surveillance. The Watec's spectral response in the 940nm range is the highest. The Watec cam weighs only 300 grams and won't strain the neck. An alternative is to use Image Intensifiers. The marines in Iraq use 4th generation which America doesn't allow be exported. Only second generation's are available in SA but these form a green mush image and needs a bright red LED which defeats the covert aspect. Their range are not even close to a Watec capturing an 940nm illuminated object.

Secure perimeter using GPRS/GPS/PIR :
Attach a GPRS/GPS module and PIR (passive infrared) module to a rod that can be placed anywhere around a perimeter. The guard places multiple units around a large perimeter. On detecting a person the modules GPRS the gps coordinates to the base and to the guard for further action. The rods with it's modules must be removed before the employees arrive the next morning. The guard himself is tracked via gps.

Secure perimeter using Wi-fi video modules/GPS/PIR, copper and video baluns:
Dig a ditch around a perimeter, insert twisted pair into 15mm LDPE and lay it underground. Plant drill-boxes that will house a 2.4ghz Wi-fi video receiver
(sold by www.miro.co.za) that connects to the copper backbone at multiple points around the perimeter. The Miro 2.4ghz video modules converts the camera analogue
signal to 2.4ghz transmits it to the drillbox which converts it back to analogue. The Eaglecctv video baluns takes this analogue video signal and transmits a distance of 1km overt the under ground twisted pair to the central www.zoneminder.com box. One Zoneminder box with a Spectra Linux Bttv chipset can detect motion on eight analogue cameras. The 2.4ghz analogue video transmitter clamped to a tripod or rod uses little power and can be moved around the perimeter by the guard or placed at covert locations as long as it has LOS to the 2.4ghz video receiver at the drillbox. The back of the 2.4ghz analogue video transmitter is protected by a PIR. On could even place a servo
on the tripod to rotate the analogue camera 360 degrees looking in the direction of a PIR being triggered. For example clamp three PIR to a tripod with the camera on top
and ofcourse the www.miro.co.za 2.4ghz video transmitter.

Thermal imaging cameras
The money spent by a block of say 500 houses on security and inflated telecom costs is a staggering amount that could be used to purchase a vehicle fitted with a thermal imaging camera in addition to the Watecs and Dslams. Thermal imaging cameras prices have come down considerably and can be used to drive past insurgents and scan them for hidden fire-arms. Coordinating the financing of cameras, vehicles can only efficiently be done if all 500 houses have a 24hour Intranet and
Internet connection that is virtually for free. In other words you emulate http://mybroadband.co.za on a mini-scale with people that all have a common goal in mind: To stop crime. Just like this forum enables one to rapidly share ideas , so will your mini-Intranet discussion forum get the ball rolling.
Security measures in SA are largely reactive instead of preventative. There was a story recently in the paper about a person who had been robbed at his house with a security guard present. Because our gun laws are so draconian , guards are very reluctant to shoot first. Our security companies have also been deeply infiltrated by organised crime and many of the house robberies are due to the information given to the crime syndicates by security guards. There are anecdotal evidence that the houses in a street who are not linked via a panic button to a security firm are targeted specifically by the insurgents because the firms are telling them which houses are'nt paying the monthly
blackmail. That guard posted infront your house 24hours is the person best able to provide the terrorists with the ppropriate time to strike the adjacent houses.

Presently to get anything organised one has to physically walk from house to house and get each person's number. Then you have to contact each person individually through the Vodacom/Telkom centralised network. Getting the funding in this manner for a patrol vehicle and Thermal imaging camera is a daunting task. E-mail as a communications medium has been compromised through spam and thus people are reluctant to give their e-mail address. Some residences have a 24hour guard at a cost of R36000/year. If that person could change his thinking and rather spend that money on telephone poles, Watecs and Dslams - protecting everybody a change for the better will result. The difficulty is in persuading people to allow that extra pole - convincing them that they are not as useless as they think they are.

daffy

21-08-2006, 09:08 AM

What does this have to do with telephone poles?

Ryder_JHB

22-08-2006, 09:57 AM

daffy

22-08-2006, 10:01 AM

We're going to hold the world ransom.. with security guards, with "lazers" on their heads.
mwuhaha *chew pinky finger*

Ryder_JHB

22-08-2006, 10:06 AM

Forget about tunneling under the road! We can have squads of LazerGuards© using their Lazer beams to make the holes instantly and accurately.

telkomsuig

22-08-2006, 02:05 PM

It is used to tunnel at night when Icasa is asleep :)

captainwifi

31-08-2006, 07:56 PM

If you then so desire lets legally resell commercial data over Telephone poles within the parameters of p.15 of the ECA - using a license: A VANS LICENSE.

A company like www.uninet.co.za is legally using their Vans to resell Internet data.The fact that they are using a wireless medium makes no difference. They can also use telephone poles crossing private property with the permission of the owners. Neither the medium(copper,fiber,wi-fi) nor 'boundaries' is the issue at p.15 of the the ECA but wether such data is for commercial gain - which needs a license. (This ofcourse is unconstitutional but that is a different topic) Taking many previous court cases it is clear that an existing right given under a present law can't be revoked at a later stage - it would be unconstitutional. Vans license legal status is a bit murky at the moment(Icasa must hold deliberations to finalise their status) but the general consensus seems to be that they can resell commercial data over their own or shared networks without Icasa being able to confiscate such networks.

If Icasa can't physically rip down Uninets towers then it doesn't really matter wether such a network is 100% kosher with Telkom's officials at Icasa or not. Uninet
and other Vans's have established themselves now as a powerblock, they can't just be wished away by the Elephant consortium. And thus I propose using Vans license holders as a Trojan Horse to establish Telephone poles for commercial purposes. [As explained http://myadsl.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=48324&page=2 telephone poles for
non-profit purposes are 100% legal]. We thus duplicate Uninet's existing setup using fixed wires instead of wireless. Uninet obviously won't fall for this ruse since they must have control of the network in order to have a viable business model. We just need to find a license holder that we could pay an amount or come to some sort of agreement with.

Ofcourse a Vans's knows that the stupid public will start wising up after the third payment and then it's payment's no more. In contrast to Telkom though they can't suspend the service - it's on our private property and it remains our poles. Councils all over the country are using wireless to stream camera data and in the process destroying our 2.4ghz spectrum. If we provide the telephone poles - council will provide the cameras.

There are infact +- 102 Telecoms firms in South-Africa:
Telkom and the SNO: Legal right to plant poles on your property WITHOUT your
permission.
100 VANS license holders: Legal right to plant poles(for commercial) on your
property WITH your permission.

Why has nobody pointed this out yet?

There is an implicit chain of reasoning and assumptions being made by IT publications like www.itweb.co.za , www.sacm.co.za that we have to question. It's not what they are saying, its what they are specifically sensoring in their publications: M-web , Telkom and Telecoms lawyers have conspired against the public in a frantic effort to prevent them from establishing themselves as the de-facto TNO. www.sacm.co.za had a nice article on mesh with a link to www.meshdynamics.com. They failed
to mention that if you connect 100 houses in a row you have multiple highsites to connect Wi-fi to. There seems to be some sort of mental block in the SA IT publication world when it comes to combining Dslams with Wi-fi. Who www.itweb.co.za are intimidating you?

As a lobby group the ISP's are getting the public to ask the wrong question: When will Telkom provide us with cheap broadband? No, the question to ask is: When will the public get so fedup with this endless charade of Ivy, Telkom, Icasa, engaging in verbal shadow boxing that we form our own telephone exchanges, linking to satellites - forcing Telkom to lower costs? Instead of planting poles the ISP's want all of us to join them in doing the choo-choo-train like Mathews Posa had the AHI doing a few years ago...(who says Boertjies don't have rhythm hey!) It's a stated ANC policy objective to CCTV every street. They have the money to do this, but can't get involved in helping people plant poles in their gardens. We must bypass this entrenced powerblock of ICASA/Telkom/Isp's/Chubb security and directly cooperate with government by providing them with the poles. In private we have the full backing of Mbeki and Local council. The Cathedral and the Bazaar was an essay instrumental in championing Opensource and Linux to the wider world. The author got society to change their thinking when it came to software. I am trying you to get you to change your thinking in how we approach the number one crises facing this country: Crime. It is a problem that will be solved INDIRECTLY via people breaking down the imaginary boundaries that seperates them from their neighbours. It is a process where we will drive down the cost of communications to virtually nothing and thus indirectly solve the crime problem.

Rapport 10 Sept 2006 'Slim planne vir nettoegang kan koste sny':
"...So kan huishoudings n enkele landlyn-internetpunt via draadlose tegnologie aan hul bure beskikbaar stel... Die konsensus onder komiteelede was dat dit nie teen bestaande
regulasies is nie. " This was the view of Esther Dyson an advisor to Pres. Thabo on IT. Note how the alternative of using stable private telephone poles to cross boundaries wasn't even mentioned in the Rapport article.
http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/internet/2006/0609051120.asp?S=Broadband&A=BRO&O=FRGN has the full article and the statements by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Dyson. I have been banned from commenting at www.itweb.co.za so allow me to comment here on some the statements, premises,
assumptions, deception and fogs of confusion.

arf9999

31-08-2006, 08:48 PM

...it never ends...

captainwifi

05-10-2006, 01:38 PM

Aerial self-support cable's max distance is 50m. With wirerope it is realistic on a cost bases to suspend WireRope at a distance of 100m.

The ideal solution ofcourse is to use a computerised HDD (Trenchless Horizontal directional drill) that cost R1,2mil to purchase and simply tunnel under everybody's driveway 80cm deep after first mapping out sewage pypes using ground penetrating radar. It can be rented though but at R300/m is simply to expensive. Setting up a Non-profit company to which we contribute the R1,2mil would be a better solution but probably impossible to convince South-AFricans to consider. We could then rent out this machine on a cost basis alone. And R1,2mil is for brand new one, second hand would be cheap
From each residents pavement a tunnel is drilled under his perimeter wall to the wall of his house where the drillbox is installed. On Ebay used HDD are available for $17000. HDD online http://item-specifics.ebay.com/97125-0-1.html

http://www.ditchwitch.com/dwcom/Category/CategoryView/11 The power and enhanced hydraulic systems of the JT921 enables it to drill faster than any other HDD machine in its class. The JT921 is a Fiber-to-the-Home contractor’s dream.
Soil displacement bore (lots of pictures): http://www.nodig-construction.com/index.cfm?menuID=56&object_ID=7

The agents for DitchWitch in SA can be contacted at (011) 306 0700

Rod Pushers
http://www.ditchwitch.com/dwcom/Equipment/ProductFullSpecView/161
Ditch Witch rod pushers are compact, economical, powerful and easily transportable solutions for long-distance trenchless installation of pipe, interduct, conduit and cable. Bore with directional control to 200 feet (61 m) or more with the P40; 500 feet (152 m) or more with the P80.
On Ebay used P40 rod pusher are $850

Piercing Tool
Used Ditchwitch Piercing tools go for around $3000 on www.ebay.com. They weight between 20 and 40kg.
The PT20, PT30 and PT40 will provide a low cost method of installing utility service lines under sidewalks, driveways, streets or other areas in which larger traditional trenching methods aren't feasible. Ditch Witch Piercing Tools perform short- to medium-range compaction boring projects, pipe ramming and pushing, and pipe pulling. http://www.ditchwitch.com/dwcom/Equipment/ProductFullSpecView/143

Combine plowing with HDD
Using a vibratory plow a ditch is dug from driveway to driveway. And the HDD is used to drill only under the driveway. This is a cost effective solution if the HDD has to be hired at R250/m. Ampvar PTY ltd - Neil Botes (082 807 5800) at ampvar@mweb.co.za will provide more info.

Trencher
Walk-behind Trencher: http://www.americanaugers.com/www/docs/181.266
Mechanical Trencher: http://www.americanaugers.com/www/docs/112
The vibratory plow won't lay 50mm thick pipes. For large pipes a Trencher must be use. Neil Botes charges R20/m for it.

Vibratory plow
http://www.findguru.com/ProductInfo~Productid~158824~ProductName~Vibratory-Plow.html
"...The blade cuts a narrow slit with knife-edge precision and hence the ground does not look like the one which has been plowed over. Actually, the slit disappears as the plow machine and the tractor runs over the plowed region."
Here are a few pictures: http://www.americanaugers.com/www/docs/113 Notice how the cable is held in the front on a roll.

Nice picture of an operator on a HDD: http://www.americanaugers.com/www/docs/183.235
Now gentlemen take a long hard look at that 'umlungu' sitting on that yellow 'americanaugers.com' HDD machine with rubber tracks.
That machine is the solution to our crime and Telkom problem If somehow we can convince people to take their monthly payment to the
ISPs and and security company bloodsuckers and rather invest it in a machine that will belong to all of us in a non-profit company we will make South-Africa a better place. BL Construction who imports the DitchWitch, a gentlemen by the name of Paul Kruger informed me that the operational costs are extremely low on the HDD. It is basically just the drillbit that needs replacement. And in our application we will only drill straight line 1m below surface which won't stress the rods very much.

Building a telephone exchange using a Trencher, Vibratory plow and Piercing tool

A 1km backbone is formed down the joint perimeter of H1,H3. The backbone is only on one side of the houses. At the junction of H1,H2,H3 and H4 they get connected to the backbone via a walk-behind VibratoryPlow laying a LDPE irrigation poly-pipe.

A walk-behind trencher cuts a trench(tren1) parallel to the wall of H1 and H3 to a depth of 75cm. The trench is cut from wall to wall with a thin slit trenching blade. To be able to lower a DingoDrill to tunnel under the walls a crocodile trenching blade is used to widen the trench slightly for a distance of 1m from the wall.

At the junction of H3,H4 a DingoDrill is inserted to tunnel under the wall a distance of 60cm in order to insert a 1m PVC pipe. Medium density poly-pyie(MDPE-see CableJettingAndPipes) are joined to the PVC pipe. At sections where there are large trees HDPE must be inserted to protect the cabling against roots.

An alternative to using a hydrolic drill is a piercingtool.. The piercingtool is clamped to a four-wheel trolley and lowered into the trench and pierces a 70cm long tunnel under the wall. Using a DingoDrill or piercing tool obviates the need to use a pit-launched drill like a Rodpusher, Grundosteer or other type of soil-displacement-mole.

The LDPE run to each house connects to a drillbox against the wall. A hole is drilled through the wall through which the LDPE TwistedPair or fiber is pulled, connecting the house to the backbone. The diameter of the MDPE will dictate how much cabling can be pulled through the pipe under the perimeters.

Technical aspects
This was the most difficult for me to crack. The telephone pole idea seems to be going nowhere. HDD and Trenching blades came to the rescue of this thread. Even the ISPs will have to admit it. With the trencher a slit is cut right upto the driveway. Into this slit the HDD drillbit/rod is inserted and tunneld under the driveway.
This seems to be the solution:
http://www.dingo.ws/html/att/borer.htm
It shouldn't be to difficult to construct your own drilling rod assembly copying
the dingo design. Look at the picture and will note that it is basically just a Hydrolic motor that is turned by having hydrolic fluid pumped into it,
turning the drill rod. They Hydrolic motor and pump industry in SA should be able to help us.

ANDREI 082 569 9154 Nelspruit uses HDD machines to drill under pavements. He told me that he recently did a project in Sandton where they Trenched
upto the driveway a depth of 600mm. He tunneld under the medical doctor's driveway using his HDD and the project had social accpetance
People just don't want their driveway damaged but cutting through the lawn on their pavement is accepted - since the benefits are so tremendous.

Social aspects:
BL construction latest project was to link a whole street of houses via the pavement in Stellenbosch using Trenching and HDD as I have just described. For obvious reasons he won't tell me exactly where. He said that the Stellenbosh residents who refused to have their pavements lifted for underground cabling had absolutely no problem with the HDD and Trenching machine - It found immediate and widespread social acceptance Just look at those big balloon like wheels of the vibratory plow that spreads the weight over a wide area. These machines were specifically designed so as not to wreck a garden or pavement. The Telephone pole idea will only find limited acceptance. It can be used as a temporary measure though until we scrape together R200 000 to import a used HDD from Ebay. (Any of you expats in America please help us with this)

Legal aspects
See: http://www.tinyurl.com/6kcq2x
From a legal perspective you never gave permission for somebody to tunnel under your driveway!. The pavement belongs to council. So the contractor simply did it without permission!. Legally you are absolved from all blame. Cape , Pretoria, JHB council has a Telephone network license. They can legally
run copper under pavements. Icasa can't touch council cables, thus our cables are safe. See how brilliant this is?

daffy

05-10-2006, 01:44 PM

Holy crap. Where do you come up with this swill?

Ryder_JHB

05-10-2006, 03:37 PM

Weskoppies Hospital: (012) 319-9500

captainwifi

09-10-2006, 11:21 AM

There are no bandwidth caps on the Intelsat VSAT system. They are based in Germany and openly mock Telkom and it's pet poodle Icasa. James has no fear of Icasa and says that there is nothing Icasa can do to stop the fearless http://www.blueskysat.com - (011) 432 0075 from openly and defiantly selling us UNCAPPED two-way satellite links in open violation of the ECA with specifically forbids it.

http://www.blueskysat.com

* $565 -> 256k
* $1480 -> 512k
* $38000 -> 4meg link
* $56000 -> 1Gig link
* Ku band equipment -> $1690
* C-band equipment -> $6000

Weather has no effect on the C-band, but does influence the Ku band. For both bands the pricing is the same.

If 500 houses at R800 each connects via DSLAM to a 1000Meg Uncapped Satellite link, they in turn can clamp 3 parabolics to their Telephone poles and houses and resell for commercial gain in violation of the ECA to other residents. Thus they will create 1500 parabolic high-sites which can't easily be targeted by Icasa.

This scheme will only work via a DSLAM/Wireless combination. Each ADSL modem hands out a DHCP lease to the AP connected to it. The DSLAM
allocates the bandwidth to each ADSL modem ensureing QoS. A huge tower on top of a mountain reselling 1000megs of International bandwidth will probably
be shutdown by M-web, Datapro, Telkom and Icasa in a week. In anycase it will create way to much spectrum pollution... We need to cut down
on the usage of 2.4ghz equipment so as to preserve our spectrum.

RICA and Film and Publication Amendment Bill

http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2006/0611241037.asp?A=2010&S=2010&O=FPIN
"...The Rica legislation is of greater concern, Silber noted. As it stands at the moment, everyone using a fixed-line or Internet service in this country – regardless if it is Internet service to a home, or from a hotspot or wireless – should be registered as a customer by the relevant Internet service provider, he explained. This includes providing a photocopy of an ID certified by a Commissioner of Oaths, plus proof of address before that service is switched on."

"... The Rica legislation is of greater concern, Silber noted. As it stands at the moment, everyone using a fixed-line or Internet service in this country – regardless if it is Internet service to a home, or from a hotspot or wireless – should be registered as a customer by the relevant Internet service provider, he explained. This includes providing a photocopy of an ID certified by a Commissioner of Oaths, plus proof of address before that service is switched on."

Are'nt you glad Mr. Silbert that the Legislative is seperate from the Executive?

These two laws violate our constitution. Why don't ICT lawyer Michael Silber simply phone Vusi Pikoli and ask him when exactly will he prosecute the first person to establish a precedent? What is it that these compliance lawyers just don't understand? What is really going on here is that M-Web can't just ignore the RICA act like Joe Soap can. It will have huge financial implications for M-Web. So now M-Web is frantic that the public don't find out about this because everybody else will ignore the RICA act with financial consequinces for M-web. Money is involved. The lawyers are'nt concerned about you personally, they are concerned about the effect RICA will have on their paying customers like M-web.

"...“This is hugely problematic because we are trying to create an unwired, or wireless, connectivity cloud for World Cup 2010 where people will be able to communicate with loved ones, to submit comment, to write in their blogs, both inside and outside the stadium." Exactly why Vusi won't establish a precedent because the Scorpions are hunting down real criminals not trying to ban free speach like the ANC is trying to do by using RICA as a ruse to accomplish this. If it is "... hugely problematic" to Silbert then perhaps it is ".... hugely problematic to Pikoli" who isn't some sort of brutal Robocop trying to enforce the fantasy world the ANC envisions for South Africa. Please Mr. Silbert don't make M-web's problem our problem. Our SateLlite provider don't care what I do with the data, they laugh at RICA.

Cost of satellite equipment represents a barrier to entry into Naspers domain

Naspers owns Multichoice. The satellite provider who challenged the Broadcasting Act hacked the Naspers box to stream their data, thus forcing Naspers to subsidise their data content. This provider did not have the capital expenditure costs Naspers had to go through. In the same way using Telephone poles will leverage the existing communications media you have: PC, ADSL modem and a network switch. Only the cost of a TwistedPair really will be the major expense for open streets to become the next Naspers. What these articles about http:/www.itweb.co.za really come down is imagine Airbus keeps on telling stranded passangers about the wiring problem of Airbus. So what? Who cares? If Airbus can't get us airborne then Boeing will do the job. What is going on now in South-Africa is that we are at the stage where we keep on being told what is the problem and why we just can't get airborne: ECA, RICA. And since Naspers controls virtually all the media outlets they can keep on playing the public for the fool. For us the cost of local Telkom bandwidth to stream multi-media content represents an insurmountable obstacle. What Naspers don't want is for this obsticle to be removed for the public via their telephone poles but not for Naspers who as a commercial entity must have some sort of gatekeeper of information either Telkom or Icasa. In the present restricted environment Naspers is making it's money, that is as long as it remains restricted for everybody - which is why Telephone poles is such a threat.

Telephone Poles enables you to be the next Google
http://www.google.com are leveraging at very low cost the billions of dollars spent by Telco's to stream media content to users.
This is why Google's share price is $500. The Telco's have reduced to simply being a 'water pipe'. The real money is content provision.
Now in South-Africa Telkom and Naspers are ofrcourse dualing it out to establish who will harness this very lucrative business. One can't simply
pop a satellite in the sky because the cost of the equipment is a barrier to entry. That is the public will be reluctant to spend money yet again on
another complicated decoding box.

The ECA tries to address these issues ofcourse. You need to understand the whole background and what is at stake here. This explains why the Vansies
around here are going ballistic over my posts - they simply can't rebut my arguments.

Controling peoples thoughts and minds
The media do expose wrong doing in the ANC but since the bulk of ANC supporters are illiterate it really has little impact on the ANC, since it won't influence their supporters.
IN America the blogging phenomena has led to altered voting patterns due to the high literacy rate and people being able to get the information that CNN is censoring. Thus bloggers are able to change peoples thinking.
Such bloggers would only through high bandwidth multi-media be able to capture the imagination of semi-literate people. And since they are semi-literate they don't really have a reference frame in which to evaluate such information. The bulk of ANC supporters won't really know the difference between a parody and utter absurd banality which could have a severe impact on the ANC.
Even with a literate audiance engaging in parody could backfire if there is no substance to your message.
Presently the thought control channels are firmly in the grip of Naspers and Telkom. The severe danger to the ANC of somebody making Thabo dressed in a Buck Rogers suit have jig with a donkey and streaming this via an OnionServer inside Mamelodi is presently remote.

captainwifi

10-12-2006, 11:19 PM

s Facial recognition, number plates and biometric vehicle identification
http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/FacialRecognition
A crook hitting a shop captured on the business owner PC must be uploaded in realtime to a national database along the lines of the restaurant initiative. www.restaurant.org.za RASA. They stream facial recognition via a satellite to a central database that analyses the pictures of their patrons.

A camera mounted on a community telephone pole on the pavement can also link into the restaurant and SAPS database instantly identifying wanted suspects or ex-cons.

Why should such facial recognition technology http://www.i-cube.co.za/ only be limited to Restaurants? With the virtual unlimited bandwidth available from a fiber and DsLam telephone network the faces of every single person entering a street will be streamed to a central computer which has this expensive facial recognition software. From the central PC unlimited numbers of streets can be now scanned in quite neighbourhoods.

Ryder_JHB

11-12-2006, 09:45 AM

but if a tree falls in a forest, and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Thats what I wanna know!

daffy

11-12-2006, 05:18 PM

I...
I just dont have the words..

*asides to Ryder* What do you think captainwifi would do if I told him I had 5 DSLAM's on my desk?

Datura

11-12-2006, 05:23 PM

he would keep posting!

daffy

11-12-2006, 05:34 PM

The process of integrating Apache, VDSL ,DSLAM, CCTV and telephone poles is a highly technical enterprise. The linux BT878 chipset don't allow for the high framerates that Windows based capture cards have. There are applications where a high frame rate is necessary and thus there would be no other choice but to use Windows. The trick is in combining Windows and Linux for a cost effective solution. For this you need a networking expert not a CCTV expert.

I call bull**** on this one.
the BT878 chipset, is just that.. its a chipset. Its OS independant.

One such application where only Windows is viable is biometric vehicle and number plate recognition. The orientation of the camera relative to the vehicle will influence the rate at which the vehicle must be captured. The software in anycase at present is only Windows based. For a Linux solution a much higher frame rate capture would be needed. I am not aware of any Linux solution at present. If only one Windows software package can be used at a physical location scanning multiple video streams from hundreds of roads ...

Strange... my PVR is Linux based... I get great quality (full frame rate) recordings out of it...

Without the telephone poles Facial recognition, number plates and biometric vehicle identification will just be a dream.

Planting the telephone poles is the least of your worries.

captainwifi

11-12-2006, 09:45 PM

NextTube Green diged pipe used by Telkom

Trenching firm I spoke to today informs me to use CableFlex from NextTube. . It is a green ridged pipe, the exact same pipe Telkom uses. They come in lengths of 6m with clamps. The inside have a wax like substance to enable wires to be pulled through. The person told me that his trencher(R7/m) is set at a certain depth upto 30cm wide and the trench dug upto 60cm or deeper. At the joint perimeter wall it is a simple process to make a tunnel by hand or a CoreDrill for the pipe under the wall foundation. There is no need for any pneumatic tool.

Next Tube Cable Flex pipe:
011 708 1659
110mm diameter R17,78/m
75mm diameter R11,87
50mm diameter R11,87
NextTube 9 ampere rd. Kaia-sands
===============
Cost analysis of underground ducting at the joint perimeter wall

Burying the CableFlex underground will result in a completely invisible
Telephone network done in a professional manner - just like Telkom.
25 houses x 50m = 1km on one side. Thus 50 houses per 1km road. The CentralOffice is in the centre and the furtherst distance is 500m from the CO. The CentralOffice is in the centre of the street which minimizes the total cabling costs for the street. The total cost of the wireing must be split by 50 houses. The further a node is from the CO the more expensive it becomes to connect that node.

Four houses share one node.
Node1 450 m from CO
Node2 350 m
Node3 250 m
Node4 150 m
Node5 50 m
=======
1250m

There are 10 nodes in 1km thus 2500m . Each houses has two TwistedPair and thus eight TwistedPair connects to a node. Thus 20km of total wireing needed to connect 50 houses to a CO. One TwistedPair is for the ADSL modem. The other wire is for the Versatek VDSL bridge. The VDSL bridge will stream CctvCameras data inside the perimeter of a house to the CO.

Wireing costs:
R11000 Green CableFlex 75mm.
R3000 Trenching (Community should purchase their own walk-behind Trencher)
R11000 Twistedpair 20000 x 0.55c/m
R1400 Riser pipes
R1000 Polypipe laid by vibratory plow (Vibratory plow should be imported by community)
R2000 Drillboxes against wall R40/box
=======
R29400 Wireing and ducting alone

Eight port DSLAM at $500 is $62,50/port per CPE ADSL modem. Thus R438,00/house. Total DSLAM cost per 50 houses = R21900

R21900 DSLAM
R29400 Wireing
======
R51300 DSLAM and Wireing will provide 24meg downstream and 1.6meg upstream per house to the CentralOffice.

Over a three year period the line rental from Telkom = R5400. R5400 is enough money to gradually purchase an additional $85 Versatek VDSL bridge, ZoneMinder box, CctvCameras and Fiber optic cable to connect to the CentralOffice accross the road to the next CentralOffice. The CO will become the street ISP.

Financial cost per home
Lets presume a 1km street gets a lone for R55000 at 20% for 30years. If each house only pays back the interest his debit order is only R20 for life!
Building a telephone exchange costs R55000 via underground ducting as explained. Assuming 45 homes per 1km street the cost per home is R1220. Compare non-recuring R1220 to the eternal line rental of R150 alone to get a perspective on just how stupid Telkom must take the average South African to be.
This R1220 includes the cost of 6 DsLam and two TwistedPair wires per home. Two TwistedPair allows for an ADSL modem and VDSL bridge to stream Internet and Cctv data independant of each other. The most important factor is to get the cableing in. Once the cableing has been done the rest is easy.

Establish your own bondmarket
Borrow the R55000 from the bank at say 20% interest. Make everybody sign a debit order for 12months at R115/month and within two weeks you will have a 24meg local loop connection and a substantial reduction in your Telkom Internet fees!
Presently we are being scammed out of an unspeakable R100billion/year. Lets create our own Telephone network bondmarket. Streets building their own exchanges are profiled in terms of their risk and other factors. Financing houses and Charted Accountants will be able to work out a structured financial package that should enable streets to setup their Telephone exchanges.

For example one house could decide to pay back his R1220 capital amount over 30years at R20/month. The other house decides to pay it back within a year. It all depends on the individual home-owner how he will finance the non-recuring amount of R1220.
Residents in Waterkloof, Hatfield in Pretoria and Bishopscourt in the Cape could combine their efforts and negotiate a financing package.

Getting a bargain
If you actually work out what it costs to build an underground exchange (R20/month for life) then these posts about getting 3gig data for R150/month
via Tswane Wireless project - just shows that one is still being ripped-off. A Bargain is a relative concept. And you can't evaluate what
a bargain is if you don't have all the facts. If only South-Africans would attempt to think for themselves.....sigh.....

In summary
It's simply unbelievable that for R20/month for eternity you can get 34Meg down(DSLAM + VDSL bridge) and 12.6Meg upstream on two
Twisted Pair wires local loop. Telkom expects you to pay R150/month for eternity for nothing and then additional money must be paid
for crippled bandwidth. Convergence is a word the media has been brandishing about. They are ofcourse merely repeating what somebody else told them, they
are not really trying to analysize what it entails within the constraints of the Social, Technical, Legal and Financial facets.

Convergence represents a goal which society is striving to achieve.
And achieving a goal always implies overcoming some sort of obsticle or constraint. The four constraints preventing Convergence is not just limited to South-Africa but is a global phenomena. Every single human being is somehow prevented from achieving Convergence by these four constraints.
The difficutly is that the public can't even articulate the problem in terms of the constraints and therefore is in no position to attempt to present a solution. Since you can't solve a problem you can't define. Convergence must involve the linking of clusters or islands of "Converged" communities. Converged communities will be able to bring down the cost of international bandwidth through their combined purchasing power.

I am presenting a bottom-up decentralised convergence process, while the media is talking about a top-down centralised convergence process.
And this convergence magic will happen if I can somehow convince you to rather pay R20/month instead of R150/month for the rest of your life.

Dappermuis network: A debt of R1250 at 20% for eternity
Telkom network: A debt of R9000 at 20% for eternity

What makes this eternal Telkom debt of R9000 worse is that the fool paying R150/m on it doesn't get to actually own the DSLAM and cabling infrastructure that can be bought for R9000 nor be able to leverage the 34meg down and 12meg upstream bandwidth capacity on the local loop copper.

panic button:
Lets take the R300/month you pay for armed response. This represents an eternal debt of R18000. Thus your eternal debt is R27000 at 20%. And what do you get for this R27000? - a "panic button" and no bandwidth! And the best part is,is that if press the "panic button" the guard waits 30min to arrive because if he shoots the robber he will go jail. For R27000 x 42houses in a street = R1,134Million! Do you know how much fiber, DSLAMs, Watec camera's and Infrared night illumination devices you can buy for that amount of money?

Tswane Council fiber expense was R18million:
There are 40000 houses in Pretoria. At R1250/house = R55million to provide each house with 46meg capacity. Each CO is linked via Fiber. The first step is to link 6 streets CentralOffice with single-mode fiber for a 1km distance. Thus 256houses in a 1x1km block. Each CO has a CWDM allowing 16 DsLam to be linked on an 8-core fiber(could me more). The priority is getting 1x1km zones established. Once a zone has it's bandwidth it can purchase a patrol bakkie with 4 Bullmastifs and Thermal imaging camera. The dogs will provide back-up to the SAPS and security guards. 40000/256 = 156. Thus Pretoria will have 156 zones each with it's own coordinator. A 13square km area is divided up into +-156 one square km zones. These 156 zones will gradually interconnect via fiber to eventually cover the whole of Pretoria. These 156 coordinators have the direct cell number of an SAPS captain and will coordinate an appropriate response with the SAPS. You won't ever have to phone the police directly - you phone a coordinator instead. Once the 46megs bandwidth is available to each house people will channel their "pannic button" money into Zoneminder boxes. Once the police van is in range of a 2.4ghz mesh tower he will see instantly via the DHCP lease from the ADSL modem what this ZoneMinder box sees.

Business model of the VANSIES:
So lets say a Vansie charges a montly "line rental" of R50. Via the awsome powers of deception, smokescreens and delusion - http://www.itweb.co.za - they will make you believe that you are getting a "bargain". And since the public has no idea what it costs to build an exchange they will all have that look on their faces that Francious du Toit has when he gets a surprise visit from Madiba magic. Naspers an Afrikaner powerhouse via "Die Beeld" creates the illusion that they actually 'care about Afrikaners', they tell these awfull stories about people being killed on their frontpage etc.. What they fail to tell their readers is that Naspers can lend the money in a trail-run to say Waterkloof and actually prevent Afrikaners from being killed.

daffy

11-12-2006, 09:55 PM

Cute.. I made it angry.
I'd ignore you too.. but the crap you spew is just too amusing...

gugalanna

13-12-2006, 02:32 PM

And the end result after all this digging, tunnelling, trenching, poling and god knows what else would be that we have a truly 3rd world African Telco infrastructure. What an achievement, I can just see it know in all its resplendent glory.

Prometheus

23-12-2006, 01:11 AM

Is this still going on? Give it a rest already, PLEEEEZE. Close this thread.

captainwifi

26-12-2006, 08:20 PM

I will now explain how mesh networking will be merged with DSLAM and go into some detailed meshnetworking commands of http://www.locustworld.com such as actually getting two meshboxes to mesh with one another.

Benchmark the cost of bandwidth:
Average througput from 1gig satelli te is 500megabit/s or 62.5megbyte/s throuput. To provide 128kbit/sec to each user at the same time would limit 500meg/s to 3900 users. Connect 40 houses via a TelephoneNetworkRollout. Each house is a MeshNetworking highsite. A mesh can extend upto 20km via three nodes. Each node can conservativly handle 30 users. Thus we have 3x30x40 = 3600 users. Ten such DsLam clusters will cover the entire
Pretoria in a MeshNetwork. From these 40 houses, residents in a radius
of 20km will be covered. By combining MeshNetworking with DSLAM
we will essentially setup hundreds of towers establishing a cellular network. Because Mesh can handle VOIP calls and I have the documentation for making VOIP work. The larger the DsLam cluster the more mesh towers can be establihed. A DSLAM cluster could be any size.

If each downstream node connects say 10 houses via DSLAM then they in turn form ten highsites. The downstream nodes won't make a profit on the bandwidth since they don't own the Satellite connection.

The more DSLAMs you install the more potential MeshNetworking highsites you have the less spectrum pollution exists and cross-channel interference is eliminated. Cross-channel-interference is a constraint on providing 360degree coverage from a single highsite and on repeater nodes.

3600 uers designate 40 houses as a DSLAM cluster. They build the exchange for free and in return these 40 houses
resell R400 000 1gig link for R800 000 to these 3600 users. So each house makes a profit of +-R10000. The more houses
connect the more potential they have of becoming a mini-Telkom. A DSLAM/Mesh cluster is R1250 + R2000(meshbox)=R3250.
Thus 3600 will each pay R37 to establish such a network. The downstream nodes though will have to finance their own
equipment. We are trying to convince 40 houses as to why on earth they should allow a Telephonenetwork
through their garden. Building the network for free and paying each house R10 000/month should be enough convincing.
Each of these 3600-3900 users pay R200/month for a 24hour 128kbit/s uncapped International link. 128k should be
enough to watch http://www.youtube.com. 128kbits/s = 41gigs(bytes) per month.
Each of these 3600 users can resell and communicate with everybody else and establish their own DSLAM clusters.

Technical Details on setting up a Meshbox:
A meshbox is either a Gateway or a Repeater. Plug one box via it's ethernet cable into an Internet connection. This box is the gateway and can be assigned a Staticip. From the gateway make certain you can surf the web. Issue "getandverify" or "leachtest" command. The second box is the repeater. Allow 5min for the repeater to mesh, it will check into WiaNa etc..
1. Do the boxes see each other if you run "sigspy"? Sigspy will report the signal strength between boxes, must be larger Than 7db. See SignalToNoise
2. Do the boxes see each other if you run '''IwList wlan0 scan''' and does Netstumbler report on any other wi-fi about?
3. Have they blocked each other (entries in /proc/aodv/blocked)?
4. '''reporter''' command reports on the Channel and Frequency settings. (Doesn't work yet with Atheros chipset only Senao)
5. what does cat /proc/aodv/monitor say?
6. Have you set both boxes to default?
7. All nodes on same mesh must be on same ESSID For example channel 1 and ssid = Locustworld, then wait for boxes to mesh.
8. After they mesh edit the wiana.settings file and change the settings to channel6 and to your chosen SSID. See WiaNa for ''wiana.settings''
9. Boxes that mesh can be controled via RemoteManagement.
10. Wired CaptivePortal on the gateway node: ''Disabled''
11. Change the setting on the 'firewalling menu' '''same node clients firewalled''' to yes. See SubNet/SubnetMask

Claiming a node
1. ssh into the node
2. Type "remotemanagement" to get an initially check in.
3. Type "wianaregister" and it will ask for the email address of Wiana account.

NAT,Subnet, Hostmapping, Portmapping, tickets, Staticip, VPN, Wormholes, tunnels, nodes, p2p,nodeblocking, booting, bridge, captive portal and about 150 other topics contained in 7megs of texfiles is discussed. All of this
carefully documented.

For example you need to know that a node must give out the subnet address of 255.255.255.0. Setting on the firewalling menu same node clients firewalled to yes. The 255.255.255.0 subnet for that node will be restored. And about a 100 other nuances concerning mesh such as that there is a fragmentation issue with some satellite systems and that this is resolved with the command ifconfig eth0 mtu 580 Where 580 may be vary.
This must be added to the /etc/init.d/rc.local file.

Can I get the documentation:?
Ofcourse you can but first you are going to plant some telephone poles! At least 10 houses must be connected and you will fax the address through to Icasa Legal department as posted on the other thread and upload the video to http://www.youtube.com. In addition these 10 houses will share an Internet connection etc. No half-hearted attempts. If you could have an Icasa monster perched on one of the poles dressed in that fruitcake outfit of the old Spar advertisement it would really convince me that you are actually serious about getting the Mesh documentation and making a difference to South-Africa.

Preventing Spectrum pollution
With this documentation a person trying to establish a 40km link using power amplifiers will be showed to use the command "iwconfig eth0 txpower auto" and using repeaters nodes will be able to link his Jhb and Pretoria offices for an effective througput of 1meg. There would be no need to be confrontational with spectrum polluters. Simply give them the documentation and ask a house or two to act as a repeater node. By turning everybody into mesh experts we will salvage our 2.4ghz spectrum from destruction.

Difference between mesh and Linksys WRT-54G
The Locust mesh uses the AODV (Ad-hoc open distance vector) routing protocol. It is so difficult to implement that Locust is one of few who has
actually managed to get an AD-hoc routing protocol to work. Ad-hoc allows repeater nodes. You can't repeat WRT-54G signals over a mountain without
decemating the latency and throughput. Technically you can't refer to an normal AP as a Mesh Network. Commercial mesh products start at R21000.
With my documentation you can build one for free. Now get those telephone poles in!

Wireless on every roof compared to DSLAM
Connecting 42 houses via DsLam in a 1km street in a TelephoneNetworkRollout works out to +-R1350 per home. This provides each house with a 46meg local loop capacity or 1900megs total per street. Connecting these 42 houses to a single 5.8ghz AccessPoint is more efficient financially and technically then providing each roof with a R2000 MeshNetworking setup. Each roof should only install MeshNetworking if the whole street becomes a Distributed Mesh Highsite.
42 houses connecting to a single 802.11b AccessPoint are severly restricted in their local loop bandwidth. It is far more efficient to hard wire every home to the next via underground ducting and use 802.11a to bring in an Internet signal.

In conclusion:
If it cost council R18million to build a fiber network it will probably workout to R45million for our community fiber network. Thus for R55 + R45million all 40000 houses in Pretoria will be able to communicate with each other, SAPS and local council. This works out to R2500 per house. South-Africa will become an economic powerhousse and society will be normalised as the vast security apparatus of the state will be become preventative rather than being reactive.
The ANC would love to help us do all of this tomorrow(well at least Manual and Erwin) but because of the Constitution there is absolutely nothing they can do. Our enemies the Newsmedia, security companies, Telecoms lawyers,ANC fatcats, Vansies is now keaping South-Africa's entire economic and social development hostage. (And no Telkom is not the enemy they simply do what they are told to do by the ANC).

Not just Naspers but Absa ,Nedcor and the JSE will be impacted
A decentralised network will enable Pretoria to setup a parallal or virtual economy. You pay R2000 into a community account. The local Spar uses a biometric device and bills you R178,00. This transaction doesn't go through Nedcor but via an encrypted VPN connection to a secured PC. Only at the end of the month does Spar receive a single transfer of cash from the community account. They save on transaction costs and your costs will be this sinlge tranfer of money. Presently Nedcor is making a fortune by levying charges on every single transaction. It will also impact the JSE and allow us to setup our own Futures exchange. Futures is a derivative contract based on an underlying commodity. All I need to go short Naspers is somebody anywhere in the world who want's to go long and a means of secure payment. By setting up our own cyberspace bank this become a reality outside the ambit of the JSE and Financial Services Board.

Because everybody will be able to video stream to anybody else you will have rapid integration of services. Presently ten houses in one road all
have Telkom ADSL but they don't know about each other and thus data integration services between themselves is impossible. In essense we create a parallel Internet. We could allow the Google company to provide everybody with a service or anybody else for that matter, since nobody will in effect control the network.

daffy

26-12-2006, 10:45 PM

I can see who got a calculator for christmas..

Once again captain... how about doing something? instead of ranting about it. Its all well and good in theory, but its a completely different story in practice.

captainwifi

20-01-2007, 11:17 AM

Vehicle security
www.datadotsecurity.com or www.datadot.co.za sprays thousands of micro dots on the vehicle. With a http://www.donthijackme.co.za sticker on the bumper the thief can determine if the vehicle does have micro dots or not by looking up the registration number on the website. This database should be available in a text file for easy downloading. Thus crime syndicates can keep local copies on their PCs. Everything is done so that the crime syndicates can know exactly which vehicles have tracking devices. This is why hardly any http://www.escom.co.za and http://www.telkom.co.za bakkies gets hijacked. The syndicates knows that every single vehicle of theirs has a tracking device.

From http://www.datadot.co.za website "...Cellphones, DVD players, Office Equipment, Personal Computers, Digital Cameras, Quad Bikes, Jet Ski’s and other personal valuables are marked with ?DataDots and linked to the exclusive Micro Asset Tracking database. Each unique pin number is registered on the Micro Asset Tracking SA National database. Client details are linked to each individual pin number. " Car rental companies have datadotted their complete fleet. The criminals are convinced that these vehicles are datadotted and thus hardly any of their vehicles get hijacked.

My view is that this database should not be exclusive but freely available to the criminals and public. For example there was a story in the newspaper about a taxi being hijacked. About 500m from the spot where they took the vehicle they noticed it was datadotted. They stopped the taxi and abandoned it. But the driver had a gun pressed against his head. Had he been able to convince the hijackers that he the vehicle was datadotted they would not have hijaced him to begin with in the first place. And the same logic can be extended to residences.

Bluffing won't work but will only get you killed. Like the sticker on the back of cars:"Protected by satellite". Nobody believes it. No, the crook must be able to phone in your number plate to the syndicate who will cross-check the number on their local copy of vehicles downloaded from http://www.donthijack.co.za. This website integrity must be beyond dispute. A person must be able to prove to http://www.donthijack.co.za that they do indeed have a subscription with http://www.netstar.co.za or a Gps and Gprs tracking system. See EmbeddedPc and GpsAndGprs. In the same way that http://www.telkom.co.za and http://www.escom.co.za don't have to bluff - everybody is convinced their vehicles are being tracked in realtime. I have discussed integrating GPRS, GPS with an embedded Pc at length elsewhere. PLACE A STICKER ON YOUR CAR - donthijackme.co.za -
With this sticker and your number plate a hijacker can quickly find out what
tracking device you have - and rather go and hijack somebody else.

Using WindowsAutomation (http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/) software extract the GPS coordinates of every single street from the http://shop.veza.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=VT05S or http://www.veza.co.za GPS road software package. And then prove to http://www.donthijackme.co.za that you do indeed have an embedded PC with every single street and it's GPS coordinates and that the EmbeddedPc at your base and in your car is comparing your route in realtime by having the car GPRS your coordinates every three minutes to the base. Customising the software to your driving routine is trivial. For example there are certain roads where you would never stop, or robots where you would never open your door. Or driving away at 2am.

If the door does open an alert is sent in realtime to your base. Now imagine if you could convince the crime syndicates that your vehicle has such a system onboard. Don't you think they will go and hijack somebody else? And there is nothing "hitechish" or "sophisticated" about what I am describing - just a bog standard ?MySql database, Python, EmbeddedPc, GPRS modem, ?DcDcConverter, GPS and http://www.netstar.co.za radio transponder backup system. It is trivially easy to implement.

Contractors in dangerous areas:
If you are contractor and your vehicles has to enter township or squatter areas, you are virtually guarenteed to get hijacked at some point in time. Replace the dashboard with Lexar ?BulletProofGlass. A vibration sensor detects any attempt at smashing through the glass to get to the the http://www.netstar.co.za tracking device and ?GrpsAndGps modem. Ideally one should use stainless steel. But placing electronics inside a steelbox creates what is known as a FarradayCage. It blocks all electromagnetic signals from entering or leaving the box. The other problem is that GSM uses Spread sprectrum frequency hopping which can easily be jammed with a jamming device. Connect the http://www.roundsolutions.com modem patented jamming detection relay to the panic button of the http://www.netstar.co.za radio device. Which is why only http://www.netstar.co.za should be used as a tracking company because as part of the Altech group only they have the most radio towers using secret frequencies. I am not pushing Netstar as a company merely stating a fact. If the last known GPS coordinates are known to Netstar it makes it much more likely to find your vehicle using their radio triangulation - they know at least where to start looking.

Suggestion to FNB and Johan Rupert:
Here we have a company and individual having a heart attack over the da crime problem. And so they launch on their merry ANC bashing campain as usual with this forum and the rest of SA getting all worked up. But you know Mr. Rupert has the funds to actually buy out http://www.roundsolutions.com and mass produce these devices for virtually nothing in China. Or perhaps a better idea why don't Mr.Rupert and FNB ask MTN and Vodacom to provide us with the latitude,longitude of every single Cell tower. GPS doesn't work everywhere and thus GSM triangulation needs to be done to determine the position of a car. MTN refuses to give me this data but they shout the loudest about crime. Put your money where your mouths are corporate South-Africa or shut-up! Vehicle tracking is big business and lots of money. I am trying to implement standardised solutions that any Auto-electrician can install at prices that will close down all the vehicle tracking companies except http://www.netstar.co.za. No the real reason Mr.Rupert and FNB are wasting South-Africa's time by not specifically focusing on my telephone pole solution is because they don't want to completely torpedo Telkom it would harm their media interests and their clients with media interests. And lets face it - people are stupid - explaining to stupid people that they must completely change their mindset is something that might
take to much intellectual effort even on the part of the CEO of FNB to comprehend. And he has to be smart guy to run FNB. The IP protocol is going to transform communications as we know it and absolutely everything is beign done by Rupert, Naspers, Icasa, Telkom,Ngoyama to prevent this convergence process from happening outside a centralised licensed channel like Telkom.

Doing thigs out of vengence and anger only leads to mistakes:
As Pallo Jordan put it so eloquently a few years ago: "Telkom sits on the stilts of Gautengs whites". And another few inflamatory statements like this and Jordan was posted to Japan as far away from Tuynhuis as possible. Mbeki should have calmly engaged the IT and RF engineering world to find solutions for rural areas. Why for example was Transnet, Escom and Telkom's fiber networks not merged? One possible reason was the manegerial chaos at Transnet. Only with the managerial skill of Maria Ramos has Transnet finally begun to make structural reforms. Out of anger Mbeki engaged in secret deals with SBC communications leading to a fallout with Jay Naidoo. To no avail Trevor Manual protested the "data not crossing boundaries" issue of Act.96. There was no open discussions, no engagement with the public - nothing.

Instead out of anger Mbeki decreed that Telkom and Waterkloof must sink an unspeakalbe R100billion down a copper theft blackhole. If Mbeki had rather engaged all stakeholders the IT people might have explained to him that things like Wi-Fi and unknown advances in GSM, Wimax(not known back then) will revolutionise communications. Instead he wanted every single shack to have a phone line, while these people developmental goals were basically food and not communicating abstract ideas on forums. One of Mbeki's advisors are on of these extreme loony left American cranks that have these theory that every thing that went wrong in Africa is 100% the fault of the colonizers. Even Desmond Tutu said that something seriously has gone wrong in the black community: They blame everything on Apartheid. This FNB thing is just adding to the racial polarisation in this country and it is so unnescesary. The trouble with FNB, Rupert is that they are not willing to sacrifice their own self interests in solving our crime problem. Read this book by George Gilder "How Infinite Bandwidth will Revolutionize Our World." http://www.amazon.com/TELECOSM-Infinite-Bandwidth-Revolutionize-World/dp/0684809303

See this link http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Sasecurity that has pictures and costs on building a hybrid Telephone, MeshNetworking exchange.
Everything written in this thread is reproduced there in more detail in wiki format under the FDL license or Free document license. Anybody can edit
this wiki or leave comments in the discussion page. It is part of the WikiMedia foundation that owns http://www.wikipedia.org

rsachoc

20-01-2007, 03:02 PM

Indoor Petsafe PIR are destroyed if the sun shines on the sensor directly. Place it on a small ?StepperMotor and timer that keeps the passive to the back of the sun. Outdoor petsafe passives are R1200 compared to R150 for indoor petsafe PIR. They have a max range of 10m. Spacing them at 5m around a house would on average work out to 40 PIR devices at a cost of R6000. The cabling is laid via a walk-behind VibratoryPlow.

Outdoor passives are the ideal solution but it is to expensive to completely cover a perimeter with them.

Everyday Practical Electronics, April 2002 has an article: Pic Controlled Intruder Alarm that can be adapted to any amount of passives. The whole circuit interfaces via RS-422 and RS-232 with a Python program that can SMS you which passive was triggered from a http://www.roundsolutions.com GPRS module. Connect the passive to a ?CctvCamera which takes a snapshot sends it to a MMS gateway server and a few seconds afterwords you receive a picture of the robber before he enters your house on your cellphone.

One can only wonder why Chubb owned by the NYSE listed Tyco group a $100billion conglomorate is refusing to provide their clients with a MMS gateway server ...... It makes you think doesn't it? Why don't you phone http://www.chubb.co.za and ask them? Chubb are you people really serious in wanting to really, really solve the crime problem ....?

The alarm systems from http://www.inhep.co.za is a user interface disaster. I just want a serial port on the alarm panel so a script can configure it. Inhep for some unbelievable reason thinks that I have to learn some sort of button pushing programming language. No, all I need is a text file named alarm.conf stored under /etc and a Python script that reads it and a Sqlite database that logs every trigger from the passive, it's that simple. But apparantly not to Inhep and most other alarm manufacturers trying their utmost to annoy their customers. It is better to simply have your own built.

The designing and PCB making is trivial to do. Any person reasonably competent in Atmel and PIC chips will be able to adapt the article to my specifications.

I'm speechless...

ToxicBunny

20-01-2007, 04:02 PM

You aren't the only one..... *mouth drops to floor*....

Prometheus

20-01-2007, 05:25 PM

rsachoc

15-02-2007, 09:03 PM

We have the "passive" support of Alec Erwin, Trevor Manual,
Thabo Mbeki and local councils.

Thabo's on my side? Excellent, good to know he'll stick up for me if I start digging up my road.

Prometheus

16-02-2007, 12:12 AM

Now it's PLC. Can anybody say GTS? Come on Captain, show us something. :rolleyes:

daffy

16-02-2007, 03:01 PM

Crispy toasted captainwifi.
Coming to a substation near you..

captainwifi

25-02-2007, 11:32 AM

In terms of our law a person or institution like the http://www.fsb.co.za , http://www.icasa.org.za and http://www.bac.co.za can launch a private prosecution They first need to get permission though from Vusi Pikoli and John Welch the directors of prosecution at http://www.npa.gov.za

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3698283 reports that the FSB and BAC have been given PERMISSION by the http://www.npa.gov.za to criminally prosecute Alexander Forbes and other individuals who asset stripped R900mil. A retired prosecutor is being paid by the FSB to ruthlessly gun for these people in a criminal court of law.

Now why don't http://www.icasa.org.za and its master http://www.telkom.co.za settle this issue concerning fiber,copper,data and wi-fi crossing the road illegally as p.110 and p.28 of the ECA clearly states. The ECA clearly states that Act.96 is still in full force, nothing has changed other than Icasa has now full powers over private estates as well. Why don't Icasa and Telkom launch a private prosecution??!!! Is the reason perhaps this has not happened http://www.buys.co.za and http://www.nicciferguson.co.za that the http://www.npa.gov.za have told Telkom and Icasa to get lost?

And come to think about it why don't all you lawyers go and ask Vusi permission to prosecute somebody for some or other compliance law. Just think how much money you will make!

captainwifi

05-03-2007, 08:13 PM

Finally got the information we need.
http://www.mainnet-plc.com contact is Ari Geva at 082 417 5661.
The Head-end-unit costs R60000 and provides 8megs to about 60 houses.
The powerline wall adaptor that you plug into your wall power socket costs R1500. So for approximately R2500 capital outlay/house every 60 houses will get an enternal localloop bandwidth between them of 8megs.

The powerline wall sockets can be purchased from anybody. I am at a lost as to why it should cost R1500.

He says installing the PLC on the Pretoria power grid is a piece of cake that takes an hour or two and no lines need to be cut. They will install if for us and have various "agreements" with Tswane council electricians. He told me not to tell anybody but for a few cases of beer you can just install the thing anywhere you want, Pretoria council electricity workers will "understand". He laughed when I asked him about Icasa and Telkoms views on this and agreed with me that Icasa is one huge useless joke that can't do anything to stop this technology.

The HEU must be owned by everybody on the street level. You can't style yourself as the next Telkom since the power grid doesn't belong to you,it belongs to all and a fair transparant way of buying and reselling bandwidth at cost must be agreed apon.

PLC works out to about double the price of a http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DsLam telephone network.

It is supprisingly difficult to get the relevant information on PLC. It seems that present PLC deployments in the USA and Europe results in an effecitve 2meg/house. Some technical data lists the HEU as being able to provide 200megs and not 8megs.

The only academic book I could find is this one:
http://www.vmhsales.com/books_5906858.html
http://www.amazon.com/Broadband-Powerline-Communications-Network-Design/dp/0470857412/sr=1-1/qid=1172083708/ref=sr_1_1/102-6238393-6797724?ie=UTF8&s=books

Cutting Tar road instead of tunneling under it
from http://www.duraline.com/flash.htm
* Micro trenching done on Asphalt/Concrete road by Hydraulic wheel saw (Diamond cutting)
* Trench Size 12mm Wide X 150 mm Deep
* Duct size 10/5.5 mm
* Duct wall thickness 2.25 mm
* Installation Direct bury (1 to 4 nos)
* Avoid most of the protective materials as in case of DBC
* After installation blow the micro cable
* All the advantages of Micro technology available

After cuttng the trench through the tar road a 10mm foamstrip is inserted. Upto 5 microducts are stacked ontop of each other, allowing a total of 12 fibers to cross the road. On top of the ducts a 10mm rubber cord is placed, then a 20mm steel spacer are inserted. This prevents the asphalt sealant from melting the microducts(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microduct_cabling)

Link all the CentralOffice PLC or DSLAM exchanges via fiber as shown in the picture here http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TelephoneNetworkRollout,
http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/HybridMeshAndTelephone and http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/IntegrateBlackCommunities
RUn the fiber across the roads linking each CO for a distance of 2km. By connecting say 1000 houses, they in turn will be able to provide via a 1000 http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/MeshNetworking highsites the entire Pretoria with an Internet signal. With http://www.datapro.co.za providing us with VOIP services we all be able to abandon our Telkom lines for ever. You will never deal with Telkom directly again. The South-African agent for www.duraline.com can be reached at 021 856 0529

savage

05-03-2007, 08:56 PM

The Head-end-unit costs R60000 and provides 8megs to about 60 houses. The powerline wall adaptor that you plug into your wall power socket costs R1500. So for approximately R2500 capital outlay/house every 60 houses will get an enternal localloop bandwidth between them of 8megs.

Brilliant. Let's do some math quickly, I mean... You DID think about this right?

8MB/s between 60 Houses, means a whopping 133kb/s each. At today's prices, you sell say a UNLIMITED 128kb connection at R500PM.

500PM * 60 Houses (PROVIDED you manage to sell 60 connections, PROVIDED everyone pays you), means R30,000PM. Great, you can pay half of your equipment off in two months, but, why would people buy 128kb connections @ R500PM, when they can get DSL, Sentech, iBurst, HPDSA, etc etc etc.

A 8MB/s connection to the Internet, will cost you WAY more than R30K PM as well, let's say you go for a 50% contention ratio (eeeuuuw, now we, your customers get 64kb/s), you still require 4MB/s. Now, we're down to a pathetically slow service, at a extremely high price, and you, STILL don't make money because even a 4MB/s connection to the Internet, will cost you a arm and a leg :D Or, do you plan to use Telkom 4MB DSL Lines for your source of bandwidth to the Internet?

Dream on wifi... There's good humour in your posts...

Prometheus

06-03-2007, 01:59 AM

Someone's been smoking some GTS. :D

captainwifi

25-04-2007, 07:54 PM

The most efficient way it seems of combining fiber with DsLam is for eight houses to share one fiber pair. A fiber-copper converter converts the fiber ethernet signal to copper ethernet. This ethernet signal interfaces with either a vanilla switch or DsLam. Thus in contrast to a normal telco setup, all the DsLam won't be at the CentralOffice or main Internet feed distribution point. Every block of either 8 or 12 houses will be responsable for the upkeep of their own DsLam. The CentralOffice will house fiber-copper converters for each CPE fiber-copper converter. MIcroDuct conduit are inserted inside 32mm. HDPE(R4/m) or 40mm HDPE(R6/m). Telkom inserts HDPE(32mm) inside 110mm CableFlex riged pipe allowing them to pull through additional HDPE as needed. The cablejetting machine blows fiber pairs into the microducts. Micorducts itself can be pulled or blown into the HDPE pipe. Upto 72 fiber pairs can be jetted down a single miroduct. If costs are a contraint then bury the HDPE directly down the joint perimeter wall, instead of first inserting it inside CableFlex. Three microducts will fit into a 32mm
HDPE pipe for a total fiber count of 216. This allows for 108 bidirectional links or 868 ADSL modems(8 houses per fiber pair) on a single 32mm HDPE fiber backbone. The network can gradually scale with extra microduct cablejetted as the need arises. There are many local manufacturing plants of smooth walled HDPE pipe, specifically made for fiber. The microduct are not manufactured in South Africa and will have to be imported from
http://www.duraline.com Microduct manufacturer.
http://www.carlon.com Microduct manufacturer.
http://www.pipeflo.co.za HDPE
http://www.nextube.co.za Plastic manholes and HDPE
http://www.arncocorp.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microduct_cabling
http://www.maxcellinnerduct.com/
http://www.innerducthdpe.com/
http://www.pirelli.com
http://www.innerducthdpe.com/microduct.htm
http://www.fibertelcontractors.com/
Those orange tubes you see local council working with besides the road. That is microduct.
http://www.innerducthdpe.com resells the http://www.carlon.com microduct brand.
8/10mm - 10Us cents per foot or about R2,10/meter. Weight is 1.7pounds/100feet. (prices for US alone, contact Carlon for exports)
Minimum quantity is a 13000ft roll.
10/12mm - 14Us cents and also allows pulling of fiber through the duct.
12/16mm - 20Us cents

Microfiber manufacturers in South Africa
SA manufacturere of blown fiber that is jetted into the microduct is: ADC KRONE 011 466 3333 http://www.inala.co.za/inala_distribution_adckrone_about.htm You must deal through one of their distributors. The retail price for 12 microfibers is R11,57.
R4,00/m - 2pair blown fiber
R5,50/m - 4pair
R7,00/m - 8pair
R11.60/m - 12pair blown fiber
The next size is 24, 48 and 72 pair. As the number of pairs increase the costs per meter decreases. Their technical specialist Jaco will be able to advise on blowing fiber through the microducts via a cablejetting machine. Fiber pigtails and splicing costs will have to added.
Roughly the costs for eight houses shareing a fiber pair are:
R6300 - R6300 - VDSL 16-port http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Dslam at $900
R2000 - Fiber/copper converters at CentralOffice and CPE
R1000 - Two fiber pairs
R1000 - HDPE pipe
R200 - Labour for http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TrenchingEquipment
R600 - Twistedpair telephone wire the last 100m from the DSLAM to each ADSL modem
R1200 - LDPE pipe to http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VibratoryPlow
????? - Pigtails and other fiber accesories ?
R60 - MicroDuct. At R2,10/meter microduct seems to be the least of the expenses
R500 - http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DrillBoxes
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R11060 or eight houses or R1400/home

Further cost reductions are possible by simply cabletying your own twistedpair copper(60c/m) directly unto Telkoms poles from the VDSL DSLAM distribution point that feeds the eight surrounding houses. This copper run from the DSLAM won't exceed 150m at the extremeties. It leaves one speechless as to the extent that Telkom is scamming us out of our money with their "line rentals" alone. PLC broadband over powerlines are about 3x times more expensive than a fiber/DSLAM deployment. I got one of these emails from E-blockwatch about a program that CarteBlanch wants to run about the "victims of crime". So here we go again with yet another SA bashing program where the message is basically: South Africa is doomed - we are all going to die! But there is one thing this Carte Blanch program won't mention and that is combining CCTVcameras, Television over Internet and http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/NetworkCentricWarfare because CartBlanch/Mweb/Naspers alliance don't really care what happens to you as long as you don't become the next CarteBlanch via the IP protocol over fiber and DSLAM. Your own community telephone and broadcasting exchange is the forbidden subject in the newsmedia and IT world, has anybody actually noticed this? I say broadcasting exchange because the process of convergence means that a telehone network is now essentially a television broadcasting network.

Cost analysis on 1km street to just get the cabling in
Initial cost analysis to establish a fiber pair for every eight homes, 500m to the left and right of the CentralOffice on red cylinders of http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TelephoneNetworkRollout
R7000 - 8 microfibers at R7/m, R3500 + R3500
R4000 - HDPE direct burial ducting at R4/m
R2500 - Microduct
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13500 or R330/home

Should one decide to provide every 4th house with a fiber pair the costs are R460/home. Linking the CentralOffices to next Centraloffice is a distance differential on average or 50m. The tarroad is crossed using http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DirectBuriedDuct The first thing to do is to get the fibers terminated at every 4th or 8th home. Then gradually as funds become available install the CCTVcameras, DSLAMs and fiber/copper converters. Getting the fibers in and somehow convincing people to stop watching programs about what a disaster South Africa is and rather allow the HDPE to be laid on their property is the priority. Once those fibers are in the rest is a piece of cake, DSLAMs and CCTV will just miraculously start appearing everywhere - and all it takes to enable this is a measly once-off contribution of R330 - "panic button" - money.Verstaan julle mense .....sigh....? If one can just somehow convince every person to fund the R300 - R500 once-off amount for the cabling. The cabling is the crises. Which came first the CCTV cameras or the cabling? Nobody is putting up CCTV cameras because there is no cabling. And neither is anybody laying cabling because there is no CCTV cameras. What I am trying to convince you of doing is to just get the cabling in, the CCTV and DSLAMs will follow.

UV treated microduct allows for aerial suspension
The simplest solution remains your very own telephone pole besides Telkom's pole. Fiber is light and the microtube can be suspended at intervals of 90m.
It is a simple matter to blow fiber into the microducts as needed. One would only have to get access to a persons yard once to plant the pole and never again. If the fiber becomes unusable it is pulled out and new fiber blown in with a cable jetting machine. Suspend the twistedpair(60c/m wholesale) from poles at a max distance of 50m. Copper is so expensive that one should purchase rolls of twistedpair and insert it into LDPE pipe yourself, instead of purchasing figure-8 cable. The LDPE must be fileld with water absorbent jell as explained by http://www.ospmag.com. The technical jargon for building telephone exchanges is Outside Plant or OSP.

VDSL Dslam and copper alone on Telephone poles
Assume 40 houses in a street of 1km With the CO in the centre of the street. The houses to the left and right will each use 6km of twisted pair each or 12km total for the whole street. VDSL2+ [[DsLam]] provides 50megs up/down per port upto 650m, which negates the need for fiber on such short runs on a cost/bandwidth basis.
Cabeling costs alone:
R5500 - 11km twisted pair
R2000 - 1km LDPE figure 8-cable
R3000 - 20 telephone poles and cross members
R1000 - Pole cable securing mechanism
R400 - 10 Junction boxes
R500 - CO distribution point for [[DsLam]]
R1000 - Water absorbent jel ?
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13500 Or R340,00 per home

DSLAM equipment:
$900 - 16-Port [[DsLam]] or $56/port or R400/port
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R16000 for 40 homes. Total cost (R16000 + R13500 = R29500) or R750/home

Users will either use their existing ADSL modem or have to purchase a new VDSL modem. A VDSL [[DsLam]] is backwards compatable with all ADSL modems, right down to the first ADSL [[DsLam]]. And ofcourse not a single ADSL retailer in South Africa will have VDSL modems in stock, since Telkom will never even use VDSL. Their ADSL2+ upgrade will be the last. And thus don't be amazed when you phone a PC retailer and he holds himself stupid concerning VDSL. It simply makes no sense to use FTTH for each house. Fiber should only be used to link all the [[CentralOffices]] across the road by either tunneling under it or using DirectBuriedDuct.

captainwifi

29-04-2007, 02:20 PM

The Vansies are clamouring Icasa to give them permission to lay fiber in council sewage pipes. Well that will ofcourse never happen, which means that we have council pipes all to ourselves. We will be able to pull out fiber through it without anybody else poking around there. How exactly this is done I don't know. They actually use robots in Japan and Canada to lay fiber in sewege systems, but it is ofcourse so expensive that it won't be a viable option.
http://www3.jetro.go.jp/ttppoas/anken/0001018000/1018947_e.html See this video showing how the robot bores holes into sewege pipes and clamps the fiber optic cable to the concrete pipe. http://www.ca-botics.com/cabotics2.rm What I want to know is why must the cables be clamped to the top of the pipe, why can't it just lay on the bottom after being pulled through?

Patrol vehicles, thermal imaging cameras and UAVs
Let me talk about UAVs, Thermal Imaging cameras and PatrolVehicles and how this will be a direct outflow you spending R400 to lay that HDPE pipe in your garden. In specific order:
1) CABLING - get the copper in, it will only cost your R400!
2) DSLAM - give everybody Internet, VOIP, Television and gaming which lays the foundation for CCTV and essentially subsidises the CCTV.
3) Install Meshnetworking boxes for wireless VOIP/video/data in the streets.
4) Install the CCTV cameras. Voice,security,broadcasting and data now converges over the Dslam.
5) Setup own security service via a FrontingCompany.
6) Get a PatrolVehicle
7) Purchase a http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/ThermalImagingCameras for $4500. The http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/PatrolVehicle and Thermal camera scans the insurgent for firearms once the CCTV picks him up in the street and takes his picture which is sent via MeshNetworking to the nearest DSLAM modem. His face is sent to a central SAPS database and Restaurant association database that implements facial recognition. These seemingly remote databases will then combine their efforts to identify terrorists. In other words terrorists who have robbed Restaurants and shops would avoid walking in your street since their face will instantly be recognised by the SAPS and Restaurant association database.
8) Deploy http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/UnmannedAerialVehicles via http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/FrontingCompany
"...The Los Angeles Police Department is operating a Sky Seer to monitor crime within the city. That UAV has an built-in global positioning system and can stay airborne for 70 minutes, flying at 48 kilometers per hour. Each unit costs $25,000-$30,000."
"...Unmanned Ariel Vehicle (UAV) is all set to be deployed in eastern Maharashtra to trace the movements of Naxals, a senior police official of Anti-Naxalite Operation (ANO) said today."
"....Japan is one of the few countries where civilian use of UAVs flourish due to accomodative legislation. They make extensive use of model helicopters in applying insecticide to crops. For example a helicopter would be able to spray macadamia trees in Africa.
http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/global/industrial/sky/solution/index.html

And all of this magic will happen once you decide to pinch of R400 and lay that cabling. The R300/month "panic button" money is a form of extortion and blackmail. The security companies collaborate and tell the crookes which houses are not paying their monthly blackmail. It is essentiall a bouncer protection racket. We the house owners must implement control of our streets, not faceless security officials who don't really want to solve the crime problem. Even if you don't contribute a single cent other than paying for the HDPE/copper/fiber across your stretch of garden, you would at least enable the other residents to implement this CCTV,voice,video and data convergence process. Nextime somebody looks like a dog who realises his onwner has died, then explain to that person that Rome was'nt built in a day. That the solution is going to cost each of us R400 - its that simple. This initiating step - copper wire - will set in motion a series of events that will solve our crime and Telkom problem.

Youtube and audio chanels
The audio streams of the Internet radio channels that a community listens to will be captured once and converted to MP3 format. And embedded device connected to the ADSL modem receives the TCP/IP stream and a person will select for a radion station by either pushing a button on the devide or using the TV remote control. http://www.lirc.org is an example of this. There are people who don't even know how to switch on a computer. And this seems to be sole reason why they can't listen to radio stations on the Internet. You don't have understand transistor electronics to use your FM radio - you just push a button. So why can't the same be done for radio over the TCP/IP protocol? Lets take Youtube for example. Do Google with the word "Bach" to get every single Bach video from Youtube. Download it only once using a batch script and archive in on a harddrive in MP4 format. All the PC illetrate individual has to do now is push another button and his Linux box which
will display in numerical order all the Bach video available at present from Youtube and stored on the community street ISP. It will mark in blue those that he has listened to and the rest in red. He pushes one button to listen only to those that he has not seen yet, another to watch them all again
etc... You get my point.....

All the satellite channels, SABC channels and FM/AM/MW radio channels that don't have copyright are captured in realtime and streamed out on demand using the video on demand functionality of the DSLAM to each ADSL modem. The CO will have say have 12 physical analogue radios and feed the audio into capture cards. Using VOIP over MeshNetworking each user will receive his particular radio station over the IP protocol. Many more broadcasting stations can provide you with their content because your community street bandwidth is http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/UnlimitedBandwidth. And it goes without saying that Radio Jacaranda( I have a feeling it is probably Naspers) and its owners would'nt want this to happen because they now have to compete with essentially zero cost broadcasters leverageing the unlimited bandwidth of a local street http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DsLam. The user interface to listen to any of these audio and video streams are considerably simplified. A linux PC gets the DHCP lease from the ADSL modem and is configured with a serial port cnnected to a micro with say 40 buttons each marked with the specific radio or video channel you want to watch. You don't have to be a mechanical engineer to start your engine: You simply twist the key.

If there are 40 houses in a street, then one house captures SABC1, the other house SABC2 etc. Each of these houses uploads their realtime stream to the CO via their VDSL2+ modem. The CO in turn rebroadcasts all these channels to each PC. It should be obvious that you can't do this with MeshNetworking alone - it simply does'nt have the bandwidth. This sort of thing is what closed estates can do at the moment. They in turn can then rebroadcast via mesh to distant premises. And thus Telkom/Icasa/Naspers/Itweb and ISPA are in a conspiracy to shut down the internal networks of closed estates like http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/BlairAtholl Telkom ofcourse want's to position themselves now as the next SABC. They are upgrading their network and their whole future business model and revenue stream depends on you not planting that telephone pole. http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/MeshNetworking isn't really such a big threat to Telkom due to the bandwidth constraints. By having agreements with the copyright holders of motion pictures the CentralOffice will be able to stream pay-as-you-go video to the respective ADSL modem. This is exactly what http://www.atec.co.za are doing inside closed estates, which explains why Icasa want's to ban fiber/copper inside estates via that botched article in Itweb http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2006/0612081030.asp?S=Legal%20View&A=LEG&O=FRGN
"....According to the EC Act, individuals or companies that wish to own internal telecoms networks, such as those found in multi-dwelling residential properties, need PTN licences to operate." Which as factually incorrect because p.28 and p.110 of the ECA makes it clear that Icasa must first make a formal ruling on closed estates and that all provisions of Act.96 remains in full force, which means no data is allowed to cross boundaries. What Icasa now wants to do is ban data inside boundaries. They have not done so yet since they have not made any formal announcements.

In conclusion
If one tries to build a fully fledged voice,data and video exchange the total cost will seem so overwhelming that the project will just never get of the ground. Viewing the convergence process as a phased gradual step by step system implemented within the financial constraints of the relevent streets,then progess will be made. And that initiating step is just the cabling, which itself can be done gradually as funds become available. This allows the whole South-Africa to focus
their negative energies on a concrete realistic positive solution: An initiating solution that will cost each home R400. Security such as CCTV is presented as though it needs some sort of seperate network - it does'nt. By integrating a network so that entertainment, VOIP share the same infrastructure the costs of a security system for a community is dramatically reduced. Regretably Naspers and the entire useless backwards IT world is engaging in a form of mindcontrol.

skydog

29-04-2007, 03:10 PM

captain-wifi have you met or are you the alter ego of Iliyan?

captainwifi

05-05-2007, 08:42 AM

The solution is obvious, there is no need to plant yet another pole or trench. Simply clamp the 12km twistedpair/LDPE unto the existing Telkom pole! The wireing will only cost the 40 houses in the 1km street R7000. If you add the http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DsLam at R400/per port/ ADSL modem then within one week you can have your very own telephone exchange for R23000 or R575/home. And there is absolutely nothing Telkom can do about it since their wires are not damaged in any way, we are merely shareing their pole. I hope Datapro that this post of mine concerning this issue will be the inspiration for Telkom to now finally interface with your VOIP system.

The moment you can get the VOIP thing working then the whole South Africa can suspending their Telkom accounts and use Telkoms poles to establish their DSLAM exchanges. And we just play hardball with Telkom:REFUSE THAT TECHIE ENTRY UNTO YOUR PROPERTY. All Telkom can do is get a
court order, which would be ridiculous. They can rant and threaten, but if everybody simply refuses to ever,ever allow a Telkom techie near their pole then there is absolutely nothing Telkom can do about it. Telkom is in no position to get involved in a huge confrontation with private home owners.
Your number is up Telkom, your number is up my friend ..... So please the next person around here who want's to start ranting against Telkom about the cost of bandwidth, I ask: Why don't you spend a once off R575 to establish your own telephone exchange then? Why don't you make a plan, you know actually attempt to think for yourself in life or are to stupid for that?

daffy

05-05-2007, 12:16 PM

captainwifi

05-05-2007, 02:18 PM

captainwifi. You seem to have forgotten one little problem. International bandwidth. Well, there are tons of problems with your rantings, but this one should keep you busy for a while, and hopefully, quiet

Daffy by all means tell me why this won't work "...tons of problems" does'ntexactly say anything. You must state your objections in terms of
the http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/LegalPerspective, SOCIAL, TECHNIAL and FINANCIAL. Which of these four factors do you consider makes what I am posting here unfeasable?

The number one crises facing every single South-African is: SECURING YOUR PERIMETER. The scope of this crises is so huge that even our president Mr.Mbeki is importing a wall that will cost R90million. And thus securing a perimeter using all the technologies available such as http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/RS485, DSLAM,CCTV needs an integrated approach that must be evaluated within the Legal, finanancial, technical and social constraints. Social is my biggest headache because I must somehow convince unbelievably stupid umlunghus to for once forget about Smuts-"Ek-soek-tjelt"-Ngoyama's cashflow problem and rather focus on protecting their families. The black people I have asked to clamp wires have absolutely no problem with it and therefore I think to break down the social barriers one should start this project in Soweto.

Their response have been extremely enthusiastic. They don't care in the least what Telkom will say or anybody else: THEY ARE FEARLESS. After all they had to violate laws under NP rule that landed many of them in jail. To them the only requirement is what will it cost me and what are the benefits. Its just laughable how whites concern themselves with laws that black people are just absolutely oblivious to its criminal penalties. This unlimitedbandwith will enable us to engage local council in a NON-CONFRONTATIONAL WAY. Council will install smart metering devices to read the water and electricity from each home using the IP protocol and VPN tunnels from our DSLAM network interfacing with the fiber Servingareainterface that one of their employees forgot to close and we just happened to find this smurfie inside holding the fiber pigtail.

Presently we are entertained with the specticale of ex-DA Tony Leon blowing smoke and Nkqula breathing fire in parliament - solving nothing. By finanally solving the crime problem and integrating our IT systems from private homes, to council, to government we will have such an inflow of capital that the ANC will be able to expand the black middleclass using affirmative action, but there will also be some sort of economic future for South-Africa's whites. And all of this will happen my dear umhlungu if you would only stop your trash talk around the braai on Saturday and clamp that twistedpair to your telkom pole - its that simple.

CLOSED estates like Dainfern are not safe anymore:
The crime gangs have infiltrated closed estates. The crook buys or rents a house and smuggles in his chums via the boot of his car. I have come to the conclusion that it is actually the safest on a farm or smallholding. You mark out three 2m strips seperated by one meter each for a total width of an eight meter perimeter around your farmhouse. These strips are populated at a spacing of 30cm in a matrix configuration with Bougenvillas. On a 1hectar premise it works out to about 18000 bougenvillas. The actuall plant propagation is very simple. Find a bougenvilla bush and cut cutlings. The cutlings are planted
directly into the its respective position where it will root. If you presently live in an estate then buy a smallholding and first secure the perimeter in this way. It will take about two years to have something decent that nobody will be able to through. For added security I would suggest a few Zoneminder boxes, outdoor passives and lasers. Not infrared beams but actuall lasers. And if you have the funds there are 10ghz radar systems available. Planting the bougenvillas at a 1m spacing won't work, the crookes simply slash through it after poisening the dogs. It might look like you are living inside of a red X-mas box but nobody will get
to you. You will enter the premise via double gates and http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/BulletProofGlass pickup. As explained under http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VehicleSecurity the gates can only open after pressing the http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/RadioModems button and having visual confirmation from the guard remotely opening the gate via Meshnetworking. This helps a lot if perhaps the crook gets hold of the Radiomodem combination or mangages to confiscate it from you.

Use an electric model helicopter to airlift the short section of wire across the property of people who refuse you entry. Do this at 2am in the morning using http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VideoGoggles, http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/InfraRedLeds to provide nightvision. The electric helicopter provides about 4min of power which should be enought to silently lay the short section of twisted pair across to the next Telkom pole.

You could also build a robot using the designs given under ROBOTICS to silently clamp this wire unto Telkoms pole. Lets say a two-wheeled robot that is suspended from a Telkom wire pulling itself along to the next pole where it is manually disengaged. Or use archery to shoot a string to the next pole. Fasten a target ontop of the other Telkom pole. Shoot the arrow into the target and pull the TwistedPair over the property.

MY best SCHEME YET: TRAIN A MONKEY Yes, I am serious - don't laugh ok. Seriously , just train a monkey and have him silently drag this short section
of wire. The DATAPRO manager doesn't even have to know about it.

VERY IMPORTANT: Before you engage in any these schemes, you must tell
a) Pretoria Council Charles Kuun head of Tswane digital hub about it.
b) Local police station commander. Show him a video on your laptop.
c) Local Security company so they don't wind up shooting you at 2am.

If lets say the manager at M-web want's to press charges against you because you jumped over his wall and clamped your wires to Telkom's pole, then the SAPS will just chase him away, because the SAPS will actually support people trying to make their work easier. The police routinely refuses
people to press charges, which is why they must know who you are and what on earth you are trying to achieve. What I actually suggest you do if do climb over your neighbours wall to clamp wire to Telkom's pole is put on a red nose and have somebody videotape you, so that you can prove to the
SAPS that you did'nt poisen the dogs or anything else. And then go and tell the police about what you have done and even show them the video, so that if that petty neighbour of yours goes to press charges the police will just chase him away. It is critical that you get your story to the police first which is why I suggest you tell them about all your schemes first.

What I can't understand is why Telkom refuses to provide Soweto with DSLAMs. It only costs R400/port. Why don't Telkom tell these Soweto people then to purchase their own DSLAMs and clamp it to the existing Telkom pole in on their property. I believe Telkom is actually making a loss on their Soweto operations as in the rest of the country. Its basically just the fools in Waterkloof and Hatfield keeping Telkom afloat. If Telkom is in no position to provide Soweto with DSLAM bandwidth then Soweto should simply annex the poles in their garden and never allow Telkom near it again. Burn a few tires, throw some rocks and lets start a DSLAM revolution in this country - our DSLAM revolution. I can assure you that if only somebody would demonstrate the technology to them that this is exactly what they will do. And from there the revolution can spread to effluent suburbs on who stilts Telkom presently rests. I believe the latest scheme of the
ANC was to give black areas Underserviced Area licenses or (USA). I have a better idea and that is to actually train these people in splicing copper and installing DSLAMs using the "Boer-maak-n-plan" license.

Short-circuit Icasa's ruling on M-Net opentime:
With our DSLAM telephone network we will broadcast M-Net opentime or anytime for that matter directly unto your I-pod using the Locustworld PRO version of MeshNetworking. We do this the way P2P was done. You simply do it and then you negotiate with M-Net, which I believe is owned by Naspers. It also allows advertisers to market their products and services without having the censorship of the ASA. It gives the freedom to create parodies, to mock , lampoon and to do comparative advertising listing the strenght of their products and weeknesses of their competitors. Complete freedom of speech leaving the ISPs behind to "empower" and implement meaningless surveilance equipment for the National intelligence agency NIA.

Ryder_JHB

05-05-2007, 02:27 PM

omg

regardtv

05-05-2007, 02:30 PM

It would appear that some people have been placing their 1W amps next to their beds at night - brainfried....

rsachoc

05-05-2007, 05:44 PM

MY best SCHEME YET: TRAIN A MONKEY Yes, I am serious - don't laugh ok. Seriously , just train a monkey and have him silently drag this short section
of wire. The DATAPRO manager doesn't even have to know about it.

VERY IMPORTANT: Before you engage in any these schemes, you must tell
a) Pretoria Council Charles Kuun head of Tswane digital hub about it.
b) Local police station commander. Show him a video on your laptop.
c) Local Security company so they don't wind up shooting you at 2am.

Thanks for the best laugh all year captain.

I think the security company personnel wouldn't be able to shoot you cause they would be on the floor laughing

Can you imagine the conversation?

Me: hi there
Station commander: yeesss, how may i help you?
Me: i just wanted to let you know, I borrowed a monkey from a mate of mine, and am now going to use him to string a wire across to the next telephone pole.
Station commander: eish
Me: eish?
Station commander: <click>

You'll get locked up for insanity.

Prometheus

05-05-2007, 06:54 PM

Daffy by all means tell me why this won't work "...tons of problems" does'ntexactly say anything. You must state your objections in terms of
the http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/LegalPerspective, SOCIAL, TECHNIAL and FINANCIAL. Which of these four factors do you consider makes what I am posting here unfeasable?
Financial.

captainwifi

05-05-2007, 07:21 PM

Thanks for the best laugh all year captain.

I think what they use to get from one point to another is a mechanical winch system that you pull a rope through which then propels it from one pole to another. And Prometheus I have read your other posts, you are a PC techie yourself and can't possibly tell me you don't have a once off R800 amount to get rid of your Telkom account?

Away on holiday
Ten adjacent families goes away on holiday. Rent VDSL2+ DSLAM, modems, [[CctvCameras]] and [[ZoneMinder]] boxes. Secure the perimeter around each house with the [[CctvCameras]]. Cabletie [[TwistedPair]] to Telkom's poles and get ONE guard to watch all ten properties from any temporary or permanent guardhouse. The idea of the security companies would ofcourse be to have each house get his own 24hour guard - what the Naspers/Chubb/Telkom/Icasa/Ispa alliance fondly refers to in http://www.beeld.co.za as Job Creation.

Stack IR beams around farmhouse
Every 50m ten IR modules are placed. The range of IR without PWModulated mosfets driving a high powered LED(expensive) is about 50m. This allows a 1hectar farmhouse to be covered by 80 IR modules. With 80 IR modules there will probably be a monkey or chicken triggering a beam about once a night. Place a [[CctvCameras]] on each corner for a total of four cameras. On any of the beams being triggered the camera will focus on the point and send a JPEG snapshot using Hamachi to anywhere in the world. The bandwidth requirements will be so low that even a cellphone will suffice. Lets say we have 50 participating farms, then they could pay a security firm in India or China to manually inspect 50 JPEG images per day. Just one security guard should suffice. For added redundancy multiple independant security guards can inspect the JPEG snapshots making human error virtually impossible.

Having a beam triggered every night is not acceptable if the farmer must visually inspect himself what happened. By having say three independant operators in India respond to a JPEG from 50 farms every night will suffice and make it impossible to breach a perimeter without the farmer not being alerted. It goes without saying that one should try and avoid local criminal infiltrated security companies. All that will happen is that the hapless guard will have his house burned down or thrown from a train if he fails to cooperate with the underworld. Outsourcing the whole operation to China and India where a Chinese security guard in Guandong province is less like to conspire to have you killed for your cellphone will solve this problem. As an added security measure the specific guard should not even be told who's perimeter or even in what country it is it being watched..... use your imagination. The more independant security guards responded to an IR infraction the less likely human error will lead to a perimeter breach.

Thus far we have covered the outer perimeter. Any number or IR modules is not stacked as close as possible around the farmhouse itself. I simply can't see how any crook will manage to get past 200 beams. It is impossible to interfere with an IR module without it triggering an alert. In contrast there are many ways of bypassing a PIR. Its fatal drawback is the fact that it only works on heat. I won't go into further details. All these modules are linked via http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/RS485. RS485 is a critical technology for perimeter security without which this a project won't work.

Import Infrared module components
Source the infrared module components directly from the factory in China. Minimum order quantities will range between 1000 and 10000. These are capacitors, resistors, 555 oscilatorors, IR reciever and transmitter. There are many designs for IR transmitters. http://www.velleman.com have kits than one would be able to copy. This will allow us to build these modules at R20 a module. Compare this at R400 for an http://www.inhep.co.za module. Roitherner(follow the IR link) shows a PDF of a parabolic reflector lens to focus the IR light. Contract a Chinese manufacturer to produce smaller versions which will increase the distance of a n IR beam. Mosfets and PWM for higher current could probably take a IR high power diode installed inside a parabolic reflector upto a 100m. One would need to do a cost/distance benefit analysis. It will cost less to use manual labour to solder the components than automated assembly of the IR modules.

Protect crops
The same concept extends to protecting crops. Stack 5 beams every 50m around crops after first laying underground ducting via http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TelephoneNetworkRollout for the http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DrillBoxes. Securing a 100x100m block of macadamias will cost R1600 for the infrared modules alone. Combining http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/CctvCameras and http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/InfraredLeds is an extremely cost efficient way to implement perimeter security. Motion detection alone is not practicle on extended perimeters.

Stay at home security using PIR and IR Stating the problem
There are four family members. If any one of them are in a particular room then the PIR or IR beams alert must not be sent to the base PC by the embedded [[AtmelMicro]] monitoring the IR and PIR.

Fit each person with a RF defice lets say a RFID tag. On etering a room the RFID reader indicates to the [[AtmelMicro]] that a known person has entered the room. The micro in turn won't signal to the base computer that the PIR or IR beam has been triggered. The embedded micro allows a certain delay for the RFID reader to identify the person walking through the door. Any other way of indicating via a RF signal that the person triggering the PIR inside a room is a known person: AM, Zigbee transmitters, transponders, FM, Bluetooth?

Create IR beamed cage around streets
Place InfraRedLeds every 10m on either side of the road. This is a crude way of determining the speed of a vehicle if nobody else triggers a beam. On an IR event a Watec CctvCameras with a zoom lense focuses on the point of interest. It is not realistic to cover a street of length 1km with a single camera on ZoneMinder motion detection alone. Stack 10 InfraRedLeds adjacent to each street light, boxing in the tar road. Should a person stay within the bounds of the streetlights no perimeter breach signal will be triggered. His approximate speed and position will be determined by the perpendicular beams crossing the road. This setup allows for less operators to man the cameras and for less CctvCameras to be deployed. The IRmodules are connected to a RS485/["RS485"] circuit. The RS485 TwistedPair are clamped to http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/UseTelkomsPoles

www.polarrose.com facial recognition
Send your face via CCD camera and GPRS to you PC, where the Polarrose API will authenticate the driver behind the wheel.

Prometheus

05-05-2007, 07:28 PM

captainwifi

09-06-2007, 08:35 AM

Combine wireless with DSLAM
We have looked at the option of giveing each house a VDSL modem. But I think the best way to implement this is shareing one VDSL2+ modem between eight homes and making extensive use of http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/LinksysWrt54g to create mini hotspots down a copper backbone with TwistedPair on http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/UseTelkomsPoles.

Lets presume there are 40 houses boxed in between two tar roads shareing one [[CentralOffice]] - red cylinder on http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TelephoneNetworkRollout. By combining wireless with [[DsLam]], 40 homes on the one side of the road and 40 on the other side for a total of 80 shares a single 12port VDSL2+ http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DsLam. Eight homes will share one VDSL2+ modem via wireless [[LinksysWrt54g]] http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/LinksysWrt54g or http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/MeshNetworking using the http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/WiaNa interface. There are over 150 wiki pages on MeshNetworking at Scratchpad.

Designate ten homes, thus we only need 10 [[TwistedPair]] which is clamped to Telkoms poles - http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/UseTelkomsPoles. Any of the four homes on the joint perimeter as marked by the magenta circles (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TelephoneNetworkRollout) will be the mini Wi-Fi hotspot. The surrounding four homes and four homes accross the street for a total of eight connects on this short distance to the hotspot. The Wi-Fi hotspot connects as many AP as needed around the designated home. These APs connects to a switch via cat-5, which connects to a router and the router interfaces with the VDSL2+ modem providing these eight homes with 50meg up and down.

Financial
* Cheap pirated $25 LinksysWRT54G from http://www.starnetwifi.com to a mini-hotspot: 100 x $25 = $2500
* Antennna, pigtails connects etc 100 x ? = lets just say R30000
* One 12 port VDSL2+ http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DsLam: $1200
* Ten VDSL2+ modems: $200 x 10 = $2000
* 10 [[TwistedPair]]: R0,55 x 10 = R5.5 or R2750 to the left, right of [[CentralOffice]] = R5500
* switch x 10: R4000
* router x 10:
* Cat-5 cable ?
* UV resistant pipe?
* Ballpark estimate around $5700 + R5500 + R4000 + R30000 = R76084. Or about R1000 per home.
This figure can be considerably reduced if the four houses on the joint perimeter(magenta circles) connects cat-5 cable via http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VibratoryPlow to a switch at the VDSL2+ modem instead of wireless or just suspends it from Telkom's pole. From a technical,spectrum and financial perspective the wireless should only be used to bridge the road to the four houses on the opposite side.

Using short range 802.11g wireless eight homes shares 50megs up/down from the VDSL2+ modem. This will enable http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/CctvCameras, http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TelevisionOverInternet and other high bandwidth intensive applications that a wireless network on itself will never be able to handle. Creating wireless hotspots every 100m on a fixedline backbone is the proper way to leverage wireless as this allows the network to scale upto any size as each [[CentralOffice]] gets linked via http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DirectBuriedDuct and protects our spectrum.

Even estate agents will tell you that private community fixedwired connections boosts the property value. And wireless? Nothing, zero - it has no effect on property value. The critical factor is convincing your brainwashed neighbours to allow those 10 [[TwistedPair]] wires clamped to Telkoms pole - the rest is a piece of cake. You could even initially finance the [[TwistedPair]] all by yourself. Most people won't have a problem with you actually clamping wires to Telkom's poles accross their yard as long as they don't have to pay for it. And then ofcourse upload these pole clamping expeditions unto http://www.youtube.co.za with the full address just to call Telkoms bluff.

Then we can all sit back and await the response - now that will be interesting! And as stated the best place to pull this stunt is in Soweto: The http://www.npa.gov.za can't have one set of criminal laws for black people and another for whites!. It will also carry the political backing of the ANC(well at least some in the ANC) because black people are now simply cut-off from ADSL bandwidth.

We just need to get a street or two going. There actually are some of you that have clamped at least cat-5 cable to Telkom's pole going to your neighbour.:) Now don't be chicken man upload that video for us! Just think what an inspiration you will be to the IT world:You will go down in South-African IT history as the person that actually managed to rally a nation convincing them to establish themselves as the defacto TNO. All it takes is just one posted Youtube video. If Telkom ignores it we post another and another. Telkom's legal department blows a gasget, to bad black aren't afraid of Telkom. Its only whites who gets themselves worked up over empty idle threats.

They just like the rest of South-Africa don't know what technical steps to implement. There are some very effluent neighbourhoods in Soweto for whom a once of R1000 is peanuts. Using the AODV functionality of http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/MeshNetworking we will bring Telkom ADSL to a single point and not like http://www.wapa.org.za muck-up the spectrum by placing longdistance parabolics on each person's roof - only one roof!

Do you seriously think the courts is going to give Telkom injunctions to invade thousands of private properties to take down our wires? It is just amazing to me what powers of propaganda the mass media in South-Africa has. They keep on saying the same the same mindnumbing thing over and over again: Telkom is useless. Which is like stating over and over the sun shines to hot - why don't you build a shelter then. And it is not Telkom that is useless it is the ANC who expects Waterkloof to finance the copper extraction business in KatsonderDraai. Nothing is going to change in this country unless you http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/UseTelkomsPoles. Have you any idea in just what a strong position we really are: The poles are on our private property and Telkom can't just kick down our gates. If we like one man refuse them entry there is nothing they can do about it.

A much better scheme
http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/PolyPipeOnPerimeters describes with a picture how you clamp LDPE polypipe with the Twistedpair unto the joint wall of the four houses, there is really no need to dig ditches or suspend wires from Telkoms poles.

Prometheus

09-06-2007, 08:02 PM

Should I laugh or cry? :D

DanH

09-06-2007, 10:15 PM

Dude, don't you want to draw some diagrams too, to illustrate your ideas to us better. Maybe some topographical network layouts, displaying where you want to use fiber, copper, wireless etc and where the DSLAMs will be situated as well as security cameras and the wireless links as well.

Will be cool to see your master plan layout.

Dan

Keep up the good work :D

skydog

11-06-2007, 12:57 PM

Ryder_JHB

11-06-2007, 07:02 PM

Page 8 so far... :rolleyes:

captainwifi

12-06-2007, 12:20 PM

Dude, don't you want to draw some diagrams too, to illustrate your ideas to us better.

http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/CombineWirelessWithDslam
Combine wireless with DSLAM
See http://images.wikia.com/scratchpad/images/a/a8/Networkdiagrm.png for high resolution picture.

Wireless hotspot creation with eight homes
* Share one VDSL2+ modem between eight homes (a,b,c,d,e,f,g and h)
* Node1 house(a) has two http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/LinksysWrt54g. The remaining seven connects via [[LinksysWrt54g]] via patch antennas.
* House(a) North-side and South-side gets a [[LinksysWrt54g]] each.
* The North-side and South-sidewrt54g AP connects via a switch and router to the VDSL2+ modem which hands out a DHCP lease.
* Pirate [[LinksysWrt54g]] are imported at bulk for $10 each from http://www.starnetwifi.com order a 100 units.
* We produce our own patch antennas using CNC machines at R60 each.
* Pigtails, BNC connectors are imported for virtually nothing from China.
* Setting up an eight home Wi-fi hotspot around house(a), Node1 will cost R200 each or R1600.
* a,b,c,d bridges the street via wireless to e,f,g and h where node1 is located.

Fixed wires and DSLAM
* The magenta circles indicates the nodes seperated by 100m each.
* Each node has a VDSL2+ modem connected via [[TwistedPair]] to the CO or red cylinder in the middle of the street.
* The 500m stretch of nodes1-5 on the left connects to the CO and the nodes6-10 connects via [[TwistedPair]]
* 1km of ten twistedpair is R5/m or R5000
* The length of the street is 1km with each yard 50m in lenght for a total of 80 homes in the green and blue blocks.
* The next CO is in the pink block of homes.
* This setup means only every second block Block-A(green) and the pink block needs to create ten nodes of [[TwistedPair]].
* The cheapest way of creating nodes is http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/PolyPipeOnPerimeters.
* [[PolyPipeOnPerimeters]] need not be permanent and can be gradually replaced with underground ducting or telephonepoles.
* The CO scales to any size and connects via microduct and fiber.
* Every 100m or evey node a [[ZoneMinder]] box can be placed which interfaces via cat-5 to the switch at the node.

Total costs
* 1km twistedpair = R5000
* Wireless link per home R200x80 = R16000
* VDSL2+ http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DsLam $1200 = R9000
* Ten VDSL2+ modems at R1200 x 10 = R12000
* Or R525/home

'''For about R600 each of 80 homes gets a 12meg, stable, localloop link.'''

Making money out of this:
Let a businessman lay out the R42000 capital for 80 homes. Allow him a 100% profit and let every house sign a debit order for R120. After one year the debit order expires and the businessman has recouped his capital and made a profit. The Wi-fi gear and cableing installation will be completed by the businessman within a month. With the 80 homes now shareing a 1000meg local loop bandwidth everybody suspends their Telkom accounts and uses their "line rental" money for the debit order. International bandwidth is a seperate expense but will be significantly cheaper due to the combined purchasing power of 80 homes. If only http://www.datapro.co.za will get this voip thing going it will allow the entire South Africa to suspend their Telkom accounts. Telkoms inflated costs represents a huge oppertunity for entrepeneurs out there to engage communities and convince them to rather channel their eternal "line rental" expense for only one year into their own telephone exchange. Over a four year period the "line rental" scam amounts to over R4400 with accumulated interest compared to the extra R600 obligation for a year. I say R600 because you must deduct the line rental you would have paid from the debit order of say R130 to give you R50 that is your effective additional monthly obligation. The scope of the ANC/Telkom enrichment fraud becomes worse as one researches just what communications equipment you can actually buy with the "line rental" money alone.

Motivate your community telephone network to your neighbour by telling him that if he only pays R50 a month more than his present line rental for a year he will get all the benefits of 80 homes working together and save R3000 in "line rentals" money over a three year period or R15000 over a 10 year period.

Leveraging Mybroadband.co.za as a content platform: mybroadband.co.za represents a brandname that can be integrated into these [[UnlimitedBandwidth]] networks. Lets take for example generating realtime traffic reports. Your embeddedpc marks your GPS location and then using speech recognition software you file a traffic report which appears in realtime on the "Traffice section" of mybroadband.co.za. I know its not there yet but the scope of www.mybroadband.co.za allows for these sorts of user generated content. The difficulty is the user interface and getting
people to install [[EmbeddedPc]] in their vehicles. By creating our own highbandwidth it would allow these communities to integrate with
mybroadband.co.za on the high bandwidth level, where you would stream realtime video clips and verything else that can be done with highbandwidth.

Presently mybroadband.co.za is limited in its scope and content growth due to the bandwidth contstraints. As people become more tech savvy they are
demanding a simplified user inteface and a way of interacting with other users without having to phone Telkom and be told to "click on my computer".
It is easier for the local street ISP webmaster to simply walk over to your home and install a dedicated Linux box geared towards providing multimedia content and integrating non-technical users with a community platform such as mybroadband than for M-web support staff to actually physically
drive over to you. And while your local ISP webmaster is there he will also tell you about installing an [[EmbeddedPc]] in your car. Our own community telephone network allows the techgeeks to implement these simplified PC interfaces.

http://www.wiana.org is the a way of avoiding conflicts between wireless [[MeshNetworking]] IPs and the fiber Internet. In the same way we create an internal wiana on our [[UnlimitedBandwidth]] network that will allow mybroadband.co.za to host two seperate servers at the same time, with all posts coordinated by the CO proxy server. The slow internet version which we all see at the moment will have a highbandwidth logo indicating content available on the synchronised proxy servers installed at each relevant street ISP. So in other words if you click on .mybroadband.co.za in you browser you
will get a local cached copy with far more multimedia content yet be able to interact with the low bandwidth users in the rest of the country.

PC's are hopelessly to complicated at the moment from a user interface perspective which has a direct impact on content portals such as mybroadband.co.za. We have tech geeks hacking embeddedpc's with python
and serial interfaces but they can't make their hacking mainstream and help leverage the PC as a multimedia, voip and security platform. And which came first the chicken or the egg? Which came first [[UnlimitedBandwidth]] local loop bandwidth and Radio/MP3/MP4/Youtube proxy servers or the [[EmbeddedPc]] integrating South Africans around a community portal at the turn of a dial and not the push of a mouse button?

Ryder_JHB

12-06-2007, 01:41 PM

Who will install the stuff? Leprechauns?

Moederloos

12-06-2007, 01:43 PM

Who will install the stuff? Leprechauns?

Dwarves. Leprechauns like rainbows - dwarves are the tunnel diggers.
:D

Ryder_JHB

12-06-2007, 01:44 PM

oh yeah.... silly me!

Prometheus

12-06-2007, 05:34 PM

When do we train a mole?
:D

arf9999

12-06-2007, 10:52 PM

Are you a Christian?

Paul says that he who fails to provide for his family has abandoned the faith - he is worse than an unbeliever. You have a God given duty to protect your family. Your fear of the Lord Jesus Christ must transcend your fear of the Icasa/Telkom terror alliance. God does'nt expect you to obey every hairbrained law of the land, he expects you not to commit violance against the government and to protect your family. This duty to protect your family transcends all other man made laws. And it is your specific duty as a Christian to at least allow your neighbourhood to UseTelkomsPoles or PolyPipeOnPerimeters via a TelephoneNetworkRollout on your property. Source (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Sasecurity)

Well there you have it: J#sus says you should mix DSLAMS with wireless and tunnel under roads. hallelujah. amen

Prometheus

13-06-2007, 11:47 PM

I have to agree that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. No I am not afraid to break stupid laws for the betterment of society but I can't see how this would work. So come up with a good business plan and market research to show that it could work (which any investor, even with venture capital) would ask.

There's a much better chance that you can launch a satellite for 100m and sell the access off to 100,000 users for R300/month and make up the cost in 4 months.

-toady-

14-06-2007, 06:02 PM

[QUOTE=Prometheus: No I am not afraid to break stupid laws for the betterment of society .[/QUOTE]

toady:sick:

captainwifi

22-06-2007, 11:44 AM

No I am not afraid to break stupid laws for the betterment of society

Recently the architect of the Telkom gemors Jay Naidoo admitted on the World Economic Forum that the policy of forcing whites to pay for telephone poles in black areas was a disaster. The Vansies,Naspers, Telkom,Icasa, DOC and Neotel were scheming to have South Africa's last state controlled fiber infrastructure sold to Neotel which would have eternally doomed South Africa to a bandwidth abyss.

Alec Erwin stepped in and salvaged the Transnet fiber backbone from the Vansie/Neotel/Telkom/DOC/Icasa self-enrichment cabal. He obviously did this on the instructions of Mbeki himself. Ultimately Mbeki runs the country. He instated Vusi Pikoli as head of the http://www.npa.gov.za imagine if he had made Manto head of the NPA. The http://www.npa.gov.za has the power the bring South-Africa's economy, telecoms and farming communities to a standstill. They can have all the farmers prosecuted for having alien species,
shutdown Iscor tomorrow for pollution because the laws are there. But then ofcourse Thabo Mbeki will shutdown the Scorpions. Mbeki can't just pick-up the phone and hand Vusi Pikoli's orders for the day. No, Mbeki is allowing the NPA to do their work and prevent the complete collapse of law and order in this country in an INDEPENDANT manner. This is the checks and balances that F.W.de Klerk, Brussles and the Yanks told the ANC to sign. After about four years it finally dawned on the ANC that the umhlungus in Europe is not going to allow them to turn South Africa into another Zambia since without South African minerals the world economy would not have been able to grow at the rate we are seeing and it would have destablised China who must reform a state controlled economy without imploding like Russia has.

And thus before I get to carried away now my point is that it doesn't matter what the ECA says: Mbeki has decided that we must all lay our own fiber cables. Alec Erwin has now repeatedly stated that we must build our own networks in obvious violation of the ECA just one of hundreds of laws the NPA
wouldn't dream of enforcing. Alec Erwin is stateing this on the authority of Thabo Mbeki, he can't say stuff like this on his own authority.

The whole idea with giving Telkom exclusivity was to provide the black areas with telephon lines. The lines were installed and then either cut by Telkom or stolen. The ANC realised that the government must fork out the billions to roll out copper and fiber to underserviced areas not expect Waterkloof to finance it.During this exclusivity period an entire entrenced industry arosed compelete with "Telecoms lawyer" and "Vans license pedlers" with the assumption that they will for eternity by crafting their own laws like the ECA, lying in http://www.itweb.co.za ,scaring and intimidating, even Pretoria council like they did after I phoned council be able to stall a political decision by Mbeki himself. Naspers might be able to tell lies about the ECA but Naspers can't tell Mbeki what to do. This whole Infraco process is a political issue and if the president of South Africa tells you to lay your copper and fiber then like Alec Erwin asked in exasperation:" why is nobody then doing it?" With South-Africa's president now openly stateing that we must lay our own fiber council is turning a blind eye to people cutting and tunneling under their roads.

Herman and Icasa manager at Bloemfontein told me the other day on the phone:"Ons het n probleem met mense wat onder die pad tonnel om fiber deur te trek. Telkom rapporteer dit aan ons maar daar is niks wat ons omtrent dit kan doen nie." Well then he has a problem with Thabo Mbeki himself. Herman why don't you phone Vusi and tell about your problem, remember like when you Icasa/Naspers/Vansie chaps tried to sneak into the ECA that you can have a hotline to the http://www.npa.gov.za, to bad Vusi got wind of this and had that clause removed. Now what does that tell us? :D

Get unto Pretoria council fiber backbone
We must somehow get hold of the networking diagrams of the Twsane fiber network and the nodes. Then just break open the box and install your fiber switch
connecting Hatfield to the CBD. It would be nice if somebody could upload the diagrams to http://www.esnips.com and post a link here. One can only wonder how much longer Pretoria council will ignore Mbeki's and Erwin's express desire for us to hijack the Pretoria council fiber network....sigh....

Prometheus

25-06-2007, 12:49 AM

And thus before I get to carried away now my point is that it doesn't matter what the ECA says: Mbeki has decided that we must all lay our own fiber cables. Alec Erwin has now repeatedly stated that we must build our own networks in obvious violation of the ECA just one of hundreds of laws the NPA
wouldn't dream of enforcing. Alec Erwin is stateing this on the authority of Thabo Mbeki, he can't say stuff like this on his own authority.
My point is that I would do it if it would work. But so far you haven't shown me anything to show that it would. We did a complete business plan in school and these random posts of yours doesn't even come close to that much less a professional business plan. If you want anyone to take you seriously you must have your facts straight and not use trained monkeys and what have you.

Get your facts straight first. What equipment do you need? How much does it cost? Where will you get your bandwidth from? How will you dig the tunnels? I know there's tunnel digging equipment but what will it cost people that dig tunnels? You can't just say connect 40 houses to a dslam, can you actually get enough of them to sign-up to make it feasible at least?

You have the plan but you haven't shown any market research to back it up in a reasonable coherent fashion. Until then even someone with venture capital to spend will not listen to you. That's all I have to say. :)

DanH

25-06-2007, 09:58 AM

Get the man a business plan template.

captainwifi

13-07-2007, 01:01 PM

captainwifi. You seem to have forgotten one little problem. International bandwidth.

Assumptions, assumptions what is your premise with your statement? Your premise is that we need all content stored on international servers in Realtime! No, we don't. http://www.blairatholl.co.za residents clicks on a Youtube video, the proxy server at the CO captures the click and contacts a PC with an ADSL connection in the USA where the video is downloaded. Every two days DHL arrives with a BlueRay DVD containing the audio and video content that any number of users requested scattered throughout South-Africa. The more users on their own telephone exchange the less DVD's have to be distributed. The street ISP will stream the DVD content with the DSLAM exchange, instead of each person haveing to receive a DVD.

Controling the last-mile means that 90% of International downloads will take
place in the USA itself, since nobody can provide a Youtube download cheaper that Verizon in the USA can. And most people would find a two-day delay to watch a video acceptable if their bandwidth bill is R500 less per month. The webmaster builds up a profile of each resident and will actually be able to track down videos that fits each users profile. The webmaster becomes a broadcasting program and content director in essence.

This process can become so transparent that a resident won't even have to search for videos himself anymore the content that the street ISP broadcasting director downloaded for him in the USA would be interesting enough to watch. Controlling the last mile means the establishment of litte SABC broadcasting networks that can all cooperate and share their video content. These street ISP broadcasting networks in turn will be able to distribute copyrighted material by working out a licensing agreement and subscription package for the residents. The copyright holders will have no choice, either license the content or have pirated.

It becomes crystal clear why we have this vast conspiracy to prevent communities from building their own exchan\ges and why the entrenched ISP industry are trying to shutdown http://www.blairatholl.co.za and
http://www.verresig.co.za network. Because once these closed estates starts implementing this idea of mine the rest of South-Africa will see just what benefits can be achieved by building a DSLAM network for the small amount of R1000.

Lets get practical
Setup a webpage http://www.sayoutubemirror.co.za. Install a PHP script on your PC that captures all your clicks to video.google and youtube and uploads this to http://www.sayoutubemirror.co.za. The owner of the site in turn downloads the videos for you in the USA and charges you a massivly reduced subscription rate. Depending on your budget you can receive your delayed videos either every two days or every month on DVD in the post or by courier. If you have your own community DSLAM exchange then obviously you would be able to receive your content every two days via DHL. If your are on dialup in Katsonderdraai then you will get your DVD at the end of the month through the post. This also solves
Telkom's bandwidth congestion problem. Telkom has been tjanking that we are downloading "to much" from international sites, this way we completely eliminate Telkoml. This is an acceptable compromise to spending R2000/month for 60Gigs of television streaming over a scrappy ADSL line.

Ryder_JHB

13-07-2007, 01:10 PM

....err..... so I click on a link, and wait two days for the file to arrive by courier! You are a genius! This will surely change the face of the internet as we know it!

Edit: /me pops the bubbly, and unwraps the streamers

rsachoc

13-07-2007, 03:18 PM

So its like what we used to do 8 years ago? Progress is wonderful, this Internet things sucks!

Prometheus

26-07-2007, 05:00 PM

Only in South Africa can this be...

captainwifi

07-08-2007, 10:13 AM

The 3.5ghz spectrum doesn't belong to Telkom and the ANC stooges enriching themselves out of Telkom. 3.5ghz and air molecules belongs to God Almighty. In other words I have a moral and ethical right to use the Wimax spectrum. We can all use the air to communicate, what is not ethical is to shout. I read on this forum that Wimax is going nowhere because of cyber squatting. The trouble with Wimax is that unlike Wi-fi the slightest interference and the hardware cuts back the signal - it can't tolerate interference. And since our laws are a joke the Wi-fi companies have simply decided to use Wimax and that's that. For Icasa to prosecute they would have to catch the installer with the basestation. There is nothing Icasa can do against somebody with a Wimax CPE.

So I propose we setup fronting companies to implement Wimax ourselves. I simply don't think that we should tolerate Telkom's ridiculous 3gig cap nonsense over Wimax. Nothing is going to change in this country and we as the end-users should only work with pirate Wimax providers that can prove they are not interfering with other Wimax stations in the 3.5ghz spectrum. The end-user will never be prosecuted since our fronting company with somebody fresh out of jail installed the the Wimax receivers. They can only gun for the installer. If they take him down we get somebody else out of jail - no problem. The fact is that Wimax is being used illegally and there is nothing Icasa can do about it - the police are swinging in the trees. We should just amongst ourselves force the pirate Wimax providers to subscribe to some code of spectrum conduct or 3.5ghz will soon be wrecked just like 2.4ghz. An even better idea would o fcourse be for Icasa to provide anybody who applies for a license with a license. Then we as consumers would be able to work with Icasa by refusing to subscribe to unlicensed providers. But since Icasa is controlled by Telkom I doubt that will happen. We basically need a constitutional amendment to get rid off Icasa. The danger with this is, is that once you start tinkering with the constitution the ANC could next mandate a longdrop besides every house in Dainfern - Dan Roodt will have a heart attack.

Withing the next 4 years Wimax CPEs will cost virtually nothing and the base stations around R10000. The Wimax chipset can be be programmed to use any frequency from 700mhz to 10ghz. We could have our own Wimax base stations manufactured and then workout some sort of scheme where we all cooperate to using any frequency 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 4ghz etc without permission via our wonderful fronting companies. We need to explore all options and the cooperative deployment of Wimax - illegally - seems to be the solution. Mbeki's hands are tied by the constitution(a good thing by the way). It is now up to us to leverage the Wimax technology. And this will be a Godly righteous thing to do. We just need to start talking about doing it and doing it in a structured non-spectrum polluting way. The spectrum belongs to God n
ot to Smuts Ngoyama.

Build own Wimax basestations
We can manufacture our own Wimax basestations somewhere in China. This will be in violation of whatever patents - but so what? Who cares. I am not bothered by patents only to get the the Wimax base stations. The actuall hardware is not that expensive, since we won't be paying anybody "licensing fees" we will get the base stations at cost price. Just get the job done, we simply can't have another 10years of Telkom 3gig caps.

Combine Wimax with UAVs A UAV can be used as a highsite to repeat radio signals as explained here http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/UnmannedAerialVehicles

Install either a Mpeg-4 or Mpeg-2 decoding board in the UAV, which interfaces with the Wimax CPE. A small patch antenna inside the UAV is directed to the Wimax base station using some PID control loop, similar to what they use in aligning a UAV antenna with a satellite. This will allow a UAV to transmit digital signals over 40km to the base since it has LOS. The UAV gets the GPS signal form the cash-in-transit vehicle and keeps the camera trained on it in real-time. Thousands of UAVs could be deployed like this across South Africa protecting banks, shopping malls, farms and residential areas. If the Los Angeles police department can use UAVs then why can't the SAPS? Israel recently developed an in-air refueling UAV. Another solution is to use the 1.2ghz video frequency as explained under http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/RadioModems and install hundreds of bases stations across Gauteng with patch antenna's aimed into the sky to get a signal from the UAV analogue video transmitter flying at 250meters. One could probably use 2.4ghz http://rangevideo.com/ 1watt transmitters with a range of 10km, but this needs to be discussed with the Wi-fi community since omni analogue 2.4ghz signals trashes 2.4ghz digital signals. Converting 1.2 or 2.4ghz analogue to digital can be done but the digital circuit adds weight. Analogue video transmission is presently the preferred way to provide a real-time video signal but with limited range. Use a 1.2ghz or 2.4ghz patch antenna inside the UAV and keep it aligned with the base patch antenna via a PID control loop. The analogue 1.2ghz signal are converted on the ground by a PC capture card to Mpeg-4 and streamed via Wi-fi, Wimax and ADSL to the control centre

renwy@gdtex.com from http://www.starnetwifi.com can manurfacture an AP with minimum order quantity of 100. The Wimax design shouldn't be that complicated to pirate or whatever needs to be done to get it on say 3.1ghz - an unallocated frequency.

Build own Senao Wi-fi cards on any frequency
Starnetwifi can also make pirate Senao PCI cards that can use any frequency. Or build a 2.4ghz to say 1ghz downconverter. The drawback to this extra
stage will be the added latency. We can start using the entire radio spectrum for Wi-Fi.

Merging Wimax with DSLAM, Dainfern, Blairatholl and Featherbrook
Finally the Wimax technology exists to link all these closed estates via their own custom illegal Wimax frequency which will enable them to buy and resell international satellite bandwidth. I am beginning to understand why the vested interests are so worked up over this http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/DsLam
post of mine. The DSLAMs is not the issue it is the combination of DSLAM and Wimax that strikes terror into their hearts. Because the Wimax doesn't need LOS on short distances and the base stations and CPE modems can be hidden and easily removed before the Icasa goon squad arrives since any house on the
DSLAM network can be used for the CPE Wimax modem and base station. Linking the DSLAM networks only needs say one illegal 2.8ghz parabolic antenna and not an omni which Icasa would easily be able to locate. Using the repeater functionality of Wimax one can create a telephone network over a 50x50km area and even larger. Then each DSLAM-community in turn redistributes the signal via Wi-Fi creating a de-facto TNO. But the DSLAM fixed wired network is the enabeling step that makes such a TNO possible.

Link your JHB and Pretoria offices Your MeshNetworking link interfaces with the Wimax base station on the legal frequency of 2.4 or 5.8ghz. Your fronting company in turn links Pretoria and Jhb on lets say the illegal 2.0ghz frequency via Wimax from where it in turn links via mesh to your Pretoria office. Supply meets demand. All you need is somebody you can pay to house the base station on his property and if Icasa confronts him than that is his problem. Icasa needs the actual device as evidence for a prosecution. This problem is potentially addressed using a ?WeatherBalloon. On detecting a perimeter breach at the hosting site a gas canister is triggered inflating the balloon and flying away into the air with the base station. Such a scheme could be physically very dangerous if done near a built up area. The base station is retrieved via its GPS and RadioModems signal.

This is why [[MeshNetworking]] is so important since it uses the AODV(Ad-hoc open distance vector) routing protocol to transmit over extended distances where normal Wi-Fi can't reach, allowing the base station to be hosted away from built-up areas. Or one could use a UAV or some RC controlled airplane to fly away with the base station - anything to make certain that Icasa can't physically get hold of the illegal Wimax device. This is South-Africa one of the few places where you would able to get away with a scheme like this. It would though look rather odd to see this UAV stuck against a high-site tower. Icasa can only get a court order for one physical premise. As Hermann from Icasa Bloemfontein explained to me this is in terms of our constitution. So if the RC chopper airlifts the Wimax base station to the adjacent building Icasa would have to get a court order for that building before entering. Come to think of it this is probably a great way for a criminal to remove incriminating evidence from his property should there be some raid by the SAPS - what do you lawyers say?