ajak
10-04-2006, 09:31 PM
F#cking animals:mad:
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=qw114462036188B262
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=qw114462036188B262
View Full Version : Children doused with meths during farm attack
nocilah
10-04-2006, 09:36 PM
animals indeed... i can only hope HIV strikes them down because our goverment refuses to do anything constructive against violent crime... ...as usual.
zerofocus
10-04-2006, 10:01 PM
At some stage ppl are going to get po'ed and then the shyte is gonna break the fan!
JStrike
10-04-2006, 10:10 PM
Ajak : You provide us with horrifying stories all week. Can you temper it a bit with some uplifting ones as well?
Farm security is an interesting problem. It has a couple of unique aspects that make it very difficult to solve in modern society. The remote locations of the farms and the size of the farms themselves. Regular policing and even the old commando system no longer work. Even the private sector seems to be at a loss for a solution, as ADT et al have come up with nothing.
It is going to take a pretty innovative (And quite technologically advanced in my opinion) idea to solve this.
Maybe this will be irelevant in the long run, as I think SA should move away from agriculture (And I think we will move away from it soon)
Farm security is an interesting problem. It has a couple of unique aspects that make it very difficult to solve in modern society. The remote locations of the farms and the size of the farms themselves. Regular policing and even the old commando system no longer work. Even the private sector seems to be at a loss for a solution, as ADT et al have come up with nothing.
It is going to take a pretty innovative (And quite technologically advanced in my opinion) idea to solve this.
Maybe this will be irelevant in the long run, as I think SA should move away from agriculture (And I think we will move away from it soon)
nivek
10-04-2006, 10:23 PM
uplifting ones? :P those only come once a quarter, hang in there...
we need to be aware to the suffering and corruption going on in our country.. awareness is the best thing to prevent zimbabwe #2
we need to be aware to the suffering and corruption going on in our country.. awareness is the best thing to prevent zimbabwe #2
JStrike
10-04-2006, 10:32 PM
nivek : Fair enough. But only drawing attention to the bad in also the wrong thing to do
DigitalSoldier
10-04-2006, 10:44 PM
The police etc cant do anything about the farm murders because they dont have any rights for example if the police try and help some1 being atacked by shooting at the atacker and accidently killing him the cop gets charged for murder.
On another note our government should really start doing something about this crime I have heard rumours from people in Europe that are afraid to come to the 2010 World Cup because of the crime here.
On another note our government should really start doing something about this crime I have heard rumours from people in Europe that are afraid to come to the 2010 World Cup because of the crime here.
nocilah
10-04-2006, 10:45 PM
anc lost the vote in cape town - that was a fairly happy news moment
ettubrute
10-04-2006, 10:49 PM
Maybe this will be irelevant in the long run, as I think SA should move away from agriculture (And I think we will move away from it soon)
And what are you going to be eating? Pills? :confused:
Actually, that's the dumbest idea I've seen on this forum in a looong time... and yes, this is a personal attack against stupidity! :mad:
And what are you going to be eating? Pills? :confused:
Actually, that's the dumbest idea I've seen on this forum in a looong time... and yes, this is a personal attack against stupidity! :mad:
JStrike
10-04-2006, 11:03 PM
ettubrute : It is very far from being dumb. Many emerging economies move away from agriculture towards services, etc. There is a school of thought that retaining some agricultural sector helps the transition. Some of the asian tigers did this. Many, many economists think it should be done away with totally. This is very far from a dumb idea.
As to what we would eat. Think about it a bit
As to what we would eat. Think about it a bit
ettubrute
10-04-2006, 11:09 PM
Sorry buddy, but a country with a fertile soil should NEVER abolish agriculture! Rather step it up, and start exporting food to those countries that are too small to afford huge farms...
Thinking about what we would eat? I'm sure you're referring to import of food. IMNSHO that's a crap idea! Imagine if, for some or other reason, the world turns against a country that imports all it's food. One sanction, and the country is wiped out!
Thinking about what we would eat? I'm sure you're referring to import of food. IMNSHO that's a crap idea! Imagine if, for some or other reason, the world turns against a country that imports all it's food. One sanction, and the country is wiped out!
DigitalSoldier
10-04-2006, 11:18 PM
That is a stupid idea. We cant just stop an entire industry cos of crime, crime will still happen in other sectors of the market we have to do something about the crime not try and run away from it by stopping a vital industry
Doges
10-04-2006, 11:37 PM
Farm security is an interesting problem. It has a couple of unique aspects that make it very difficult to solve in modern society. The remote locations of the farms and the size of the farms themselves. Regular policing and even the old commando system no longer work. Even the private sector seems to be at a loss for a solution, as ADT et al have come up with nothing.
The commando system worked better than the police. At least it provided some sort of security
It is going to take a pretty innovative (And quite technologically advanced in my opinion) idea to solve this..
Yeah, maybe something like actually trying to catch the murdering swines? Oh wait, I have an even better idea. Maybe if the police catch them they can put them in jail as well! Now that is a pretty radical and innovative idea!
Maybe this will be irelevant in the long run, as I think SA should move away from agriculture (And I think we will move away from it soon).
Hahaha, you do realize that the milk you use in the morning on your cereal are not manufactured in a factory, but comes from a cow (It is an animal that usually can be found on FARMS, or next to the N1)? O yes, and the Weet Bix you like to scoff down with your milk are not made from various bits of recycled paper, but WHEAT (A plant that's found on FARMS)? O and for that matter, paper is not made from pure air and rain water. They use trees. Also a product of agriculture. Wine, yes you guessed it, a product of agriculture. Beer: made from Barley (A plant), Hops (A plant), water (Wet stuff found in rivers and dams) and yeast (A fungus, same as the stuff that grows on your feet and in your head). Bread: Wheat, yeast and water. Juicy steaks: cattle (Big animals, found on farms and on spitbraais). Chops: com'es from sheep, yes, you guessed it, found also on farms. The stuff you buy at KFC, made mostly from CHICKEN, also something found on farms. Chips: made from plants commonly found on potato farms. And so the list goes on........ SO, you have as primary job creator a farm, THEN you have secondary industries that takes these agricultural products and produces various products (Wineries, canners, etc) which is then sold to the SERVICE INDUSTRY (restaurants, etc). Without Agriculture, no service industry. Verstaan djy?
ettubrute : It is very far from being dumb. Many emerging economies move away from agriculture towards services, etc. There is a school of thought that retaining some agricultural sector helps the transition. Some of the asian tigers did this. Many, many economists think it should be done away with totally. This is very far from a dumb idea.
Aaah, the service industry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_sector)......
Let's see.....
Tourism, without agriculture, no wine tours and no hunting
Restaurants, s#it major problems, no agriculture, no food, no drinks! Scrap this one as well!
Transport, extremely expensive and not sustainable. What a pity we abandoned agriculture as BIODIESEL could have been an option.
The list goes on and on........
Agriculture is an important part of our economy, and a major creator of jobs. It is also SUSTAINABLE. Want to know how SA will fair without agriculture? Visit Ethiopia and Zim.
The commando system worked better than the police. At least it provided some sort of security
It is going to take a pretty innovative (And quite technologically advanced in my opinion) idea to solve this..
Yeah, maybe something like actually trying to catch the murdering swines? Oh wait, I have an even better idea. Maybe if the police catch them they can put them in jail as well! Now that is a pretty radical and innovative idea!
Maybe this will be irelevant in the long run, as I think SA should move away from agriculture (And I think we will move away from it soon).
Hahaha, you do realize that the milk you use in the morning on your cereal are not manufactured in a factory, but comes from a cow (It is an animal that usually can be found on FARMS, or next to the N1)? O yes, and the Weet Bix you like to scoff down with your milk are not made from various bits of recycled paper, but WHEAT (A plant that's found on FARMS)? O and for that matter, paper is not made from pure air and rain water. They use trees. Also a product of agriculture. Wine, yes you guessed it, a product of agriculture. Beer: made from Barley (A plant), Hops (A plant), water (Wet stuff found in rivers and dams) and yeast (A fungus, same as the stuff that grows on your feet and in your head). Bread: Wheat, yeast and water. Juicy steaks: cattle (Big animals, found on farms and on spitbraais). Chops: com'es from sheep, yes, you guessed it, found also on farms. The stuff you buy at KFC, made mostly from CHICKEN, also something found on farms. Chips: made from plants commonly found on potato farms. And so the list goes on........ SO, you have as primary job creator a farm, THEN you have secondary industries that takes these agricultural products and produces various products (Wineries, canners, etc) which is then sold to the SERVICE INDUSTRY (restaurants, etc). Without Agriculture, no service industry. Verstaan djy?
ettubrute : It is very far from being dumb. Many emerging economies move away from agriculture towards services, etc. There is a school of thought that retaining some agricultural sector helps the transition. Some of the asian tigers did this. Many, many economists think it should be done away with totally. This is very far from a dumb idea.
Aaah, the service industry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_sector)......
Let's see.....
Tourism, without agriculture, no wine tours and no hunting
Restaurants, s#it major problems, no agriculture, no food, no drinks! Scrap this one as well!
Transport, extremely expensive and not sustainable. What a pity we abandoned agriculture as BIODIESEL could have been an option.
The list goes on and on........
Agriculture is an important part of our economy, and a major creator of jobs. It is also SUSTAINABLE. Want to know how SA will fair without agriculture? Visit Ethiopia and Zim.
mooK
10-04-2006, 11:41 PM
Limiting the Agricultural industry might have some short-term financial gains but in the long run it puts the whole country in an unfortunate situation.
It's a very unhealthy situation for a country to be in when it has to rely on various other countries to import it's most important commodity.
What happens in developing countries, is the farms become more mechanised and therefore have a lesser requirement for labour so people move into other sectors, i.e. services, and these sectors see growth. The agriculture industry might even become more productive with the use of mechanisation and modern methods.
It's a very unhealthy situation for a country to be in when it has to rely on various other countries to import it's most important commodity.
What happens in developing countries, is the farms become more mechanised and therefore have a lesser requirement for labour so people move into other sectors, i.e. services, and these sectors see growth. The agriculture industry might even become more productive with the use of mechanisation and modern methods.
BrianB
10-04-2006, 11:47 PM
The bastards must burn in hell!
JStrike
11-04-2006, 12:29 AM
Agriculture is not a neccessary sector. It really isn't
ettubrute : As for good soil, if the soil is good enough to produce the needed amounts to not make it worthwhile to put labour and resources into other sectors, then yes. And factor in the actual costs as well as oportunity costs, social costs, etc. And then compare it to what we can get it for by importing. As I said, it is debatable. But it most certainly not a clean cut thing.
As for being totally dependant on imports for something... well, once again it is a debate with two sides. Most economists see it as better to put your efforts into your greatest growth markets and import what you are weak at. Politicians dislike this view however, as it does put you at the mercy of the world. But as I see it, if SA does something for the whole world to place sanctions on us, then we deserve it
Doges : The services industry is already SA largest, and it is expanding rapidly. You chose to look at the smallest industries within it. Yes, the list goes on...Banking, Investment, Insurance (In all its forms), retailing.
These are massive growth industries
ettubrute : As for good soil, if the soil is good enough to produce the needed amounts to not make it worthwhile to put labour and resources into other sectors, then yes. And factor in the actual costs as well as oportunity costs, social costs, etc. And then compare it to what we can get it for by importing. As I said, it is debatable. But it most certainly not a clean cut thing.
As for being totally dependant on imports for something... well, once again it is a debate with two sides. Most economists see it as better to put your efforts into your greatest growth markets and import what you are weak at. Politicians dislike this view however, as it does put you at the mercy of the world. But as I see it, if SA does something for the whole world to place sanctions on us, then we deserve it
Doges : The services industry is already SA largest, and it is expanding rapidly. You chose to look at the smallest industries within it. Yes, the list goes on...Banking, Investment, Insurance (In all its forms), retailing.
These are massive growth industries
JStrike
11-04-2006, 12:30 AM
Doges : Import. Verstaan djy?
ettubrute
11-04-2006, 12:34 AM
Sorry, I'm stopping this debate. Not worth the words typed... can't compete with stupidity ;)
Highflyer_GP
11-04-2006, 12:37 AM
But as I see it, if SA does something for the whole world to place sanctions on us, then we deserve it
the way i see it, the people who voted for the government responsible for having sanctions imposed deserves it. why should those who didnt also be affected?
the way i see it, the people who voted for the government responsible for having sanctions imposed deserves it. why should those who didnt also be affected?
JStrike
11-04-2006, 01:06 AM
Highflyer_GP : Good point actually.
supersunbird
11-04-2006, 05:30 AM
Some people LIKE to farm, so why can't they?
With your reasoning JStrike and if I was president, I would ban your job the moment you were affected by a crime...
Reason being, your job made that your were in a city, where there is a high density of criminals, so it must be a bad job cause it put you in this horrendous situation...
Anycase, I will yet again state my views, its possible to greatly reduce of farm attacks if government had the will to do it. And no, I'm not saying its all governments responsability, but they have a big part to make it happen because they are the primary enabler:
Subsidies for electric fencing around farmstead.
Subsidies for equipment for joining a MARNET (Militęre ARea NETwork) style radio network.
Regular patrols by some kind of paramilitary/police force (focusing on trespassers and suspicious activities).
And there are a gazillion other things the farmer along with the government can do, the farmer cant do it by himself.
With your reasoning JStrike and if I was president, I would ban your job the moment you were affected by a crime...
Reason being, your job made that your were in a city, where there is a high density of criminals, so it must be a bad job cause it put you in this horrendous situation...
Anycase, I will yet again state my views, its possible to greatly reduce of farm attacks if government had the will to do it. And no, I'm not saying its all governments responsability, but they have a big part to make it happen because they are the primary enabler:
Subsidies for electric fencing around farmstead.
Subsidies for equipment for joining a MARNET (Militęre ARea NETwork) style radio network.
Regular patrols by some kind of paramilitary/police force (focusing on trespassers and suspicious activities).
And there are a gazillion other things the farmer along with the government can do, the farmer cant do it by himself.
nivek
11-04-2006, 07:47 AM
Ya.. the commandos were better at protecting farmers than the police, why do you think the ANC did away with them? I guess its alot cheaper to buy a farm from a traumatised family who is willing to sell just to get rid of it
JStrike
11-04-2006, 11:11 AM
supersunbird : Noone said anything about banning people and not allowing them to farm if they wish
I actually like your points. They are things that could *substantially* improve safetly on farms
I actually like your points. They are things that could *substantially* improve safetly on farms
LandyMan
11-04-2006, 11:11 AM
LOL @ Verstaan djy ;)
supersunbird
11-04-2006, 11:23 AM
supersunbird : Noone said anything about banning people and not allowing them to farm if they wish
I actually like your points. They are things that could *substantially* improve safetly on farms
Thanks, well then, if there is no banning, I am happy...
I actually like your points. They are things that could *substantially* improve safetly on farms
Thanks, well then, if there is no banning, I am happy...
ajak
11-04-2006, 11:36 AM
JStrike!YOU TAKE AWAY MY “PAP EN VLEIS” AND I WILL KEEL YOU!:D :D
ettubrute
11-04-2006, 11:37 AM
Ajak! As jy my kielie lag ek my dood! :D
tibby.dude
11-04-2006, 12:07 PM
Ya.. the commandos were better at protecting farmers than the police, why do you think the ANC did away with them?
Some units (not all) consisted of racist thugs and who were a law unto themselves ... there were incidents and complaints.
Unlike the SADF which could be reformed internally i.e no longer treat black people automatically as the enemy the same could not be done with the commando units.
It was easier to disband it completely.
Some units (not all) consisted of racist thugs and who were a law unto themselves ... there were incidents and complaints.
Unlike the SADF which could be reformed internally i.e no longer treat black people automatically as the enemy the same could not be done with the commando units.
It was easier to disband it completely.
Doges
11-04-2006, 01:03 PM
Doges : Import. Verstaan djy?
The agriculture sector is an important earner of foreign exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market). In 2000, agricultural exports resulted in foreign exchange to the value of R14 573 million. Sugar accounted for the largest export value as well as wine, citrus fruit, grapes, preserved fruits and nuts.
Agricultural exports accounted for 7% of the total SA exports in 2000 (7% in 2001 and 8% in 2002)
Although the country represents approximately 6% of the total population and 4% of the total surface area of the African continent, it nevertheless produces a significant proportion of the total agricultural production of the African continent.
Primary agriculture also contributes about 2,6% to the gross domestic product (GDP) of South Africa and almost 9% of formal employment. However, there are strong backward and forward linkages into the economy, so that the agro-industrial sector is estimated to comprise 15% of GDP.
I also don't think this figure includes any revenue generated from agri-tourism. So, agriculture contributes a significant amount to the SA economy.
South Africa’s strategic position at the southern-most tip of Africa enables it to make a large contribution towards agricultural development, the protection of scarce resources, social upliftment and the well being of the continents population. It is furthermore estimated that in South Africa, 6 million people are dependant on agriculture for a livelihood, whilst every South African benefits from the country’s agriculture.
Do you really think that the service industry can absorb these type of figures, and replace the foreign exchange earned by agriculture? Please keep in mind that our economy remains highly dependent on exports of primary minerals, delivered mainly to industrialised countries in Europe and Asia. Mining exports account for roughly 40 %. This is based on a LIMITED resource. Whilst farming is SUSTAINABLE. Manufacturing fills in the rest of the 100%. So in future our limited mining resources will become depleted, and now our "booming" service industry will have to fill this gap as well. Just for interest sake, what type of exports are currently derived from the service industries?
Coming back to the meths story, does anyone realize how stories like this influences SA's image in the rest of the world? It is cruel and barbaric, and it creates an image of SA that none of us would like to be associated with. Crimes like these should be a priority for our police to solve, and perpetrators should be punished as severly as our lenient laws allows us. Removing agriculture from our economy as JStrike proposes will also serve no purpose other than to inflate our already over inflated unemployement figures.
The agriculture sector is an important earner of foreign exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market). In 2000, agricultural exports resulted in foreign exchange to the value of R14 573 million. Sugar accounted for the largest export value as well as wine, citrus fruit, grapes, preserved fruits and nuts.
Agricultural exports accounted for 7% of the total SA exports in 2000 (7% in 2001 and 8% in 2002)
Although the country represents approximately 6% of the total population and 4% of the total surface area of the African continent, it nevertheless produces a significant proportion of the total agricultural production of the African continent.
Primary agriculture also contributes about 2,6% to the gross domestic product (GDP) of South Africa and almost 9% of formal employment. However, there are strong backward and forward linkages into the economy, so that the agro-industrial sector is estimated to comprise 15% of GDP.
I also don't think this figure includes any revenue generated from agri-tourism. So, agriculture contributes a significant amount to the SA economy.
South Africa’s strategic position at the southern-most tip of Africa enables it to make a large contribution towards agricultural development, the protection of scarce resources, social upliftment and the well being of the continents population. It is furthermore estimated that in South Africa, 6 million people are dependant on agriculture for a livelihood, whilst every South African benefits from the country’s agriculture.
Do you really think that the service industry can absorb these type of figures, and replace the foreign exchange earned by agriculture? Please keep in mind that our economy remains highly dependent on exports of primary minerals, delivered mainly to industrialised countries in Europe and Asia. Mining exports account for roughly 40 %. This is based on a LIMITED resource. Whilst farming is SUSTAINABLE. Manufacturing fills in the rest of the 100%. So in future our limited mining resources will become depleted, and now our "booming" service industry will have to fill this gap as well. Just for interest sake, what type of exports are currently derived from the service industries?
Coming back to the meths story, does anyone realize how stories like this influences SA's image in the rest of the world? It is cruel and barbaric, and it creates an image of SA that none of us would like to be associated with. Crimes like these should be a priority for our police to solve, and perpetrators should be punished as severly as our lenient laws allows us. Removing agriculture from our economy as JStrike proposes will also serve no purpose other than to inflate our already over inflated unemployement figures.
DigitalSoldier
11-04-2006, 01:20 PM
@tibby i agree with u that it would be hard to change their mindset but something needs to be done what about getting a new commando's team consisting of black and white people that actually want to help and protect people.
@doges. I just saw in todays paper that there was another farm atack in limpopo yesterday where 2 old people 63 and 65 were tied together in the bath tub and then hot kettle water was poured over them.
Something needs to be done about the crime. I really really hope that something like this happens to one of our state officials so that they can open their eyes and start protecting people.
Edit: Sorry it might be harsh wishing this crime on some1 but the government needs to start doing something. They might just hate the white people enough to hope land reform will be done by the people so they (the government) dont have to worry about it or theres another reason. But people doing stuff like that cant be human.
@doges. I just saw in todays paper that there was another farm atack in limpopo yesterday where 2 old people 63 and 65 were tied together in the bath tub and then hot kettle water was poured over them.
Something needs to be done about the crime. I really really hope that something like this happens to one of our state officials so that they can open their eyes and start protecting people.
Edit: Sorry it might be harsh wishing this crime on some1 but the government needs to start doing something. They might just hate the white people enough to hope land reform will be done by the people so they (the government) dont have to worry about it or theres another reason. But people doing stuff like that cant be human.
Doges
11-04-2006, 03:56 PM
Some units (not all) consisted of racist thugs and who were a law unto themselves ... there were incidents and complaints.Always amazes me how quickly gov reacted when these "incidents and complaints" were lodged, to disband these "evil racist" units but how slow they are to react to these -
just saw in todays paper that there was another farm atack in limpopo yesterday where 2 old people 63 and 65 were tied together in the bath tub and then hot kettle water was poured over them. - heinous crimes. Seems to me some people are more equal to the ANC than others. These crimes are barbaric, evil and definately race motivated. Funny how these murders seems to happen most in places were there are some land reform issues. Makes me wonder who the real racists are......, and what the real motives for these senseless killings are.
just saw in todays paper that there was another farm atack in limpopo yesterday where 2 old people 63 and 65 were tied together in the bath tub and then hot kettle water was poured over them. - heinous crimes. Seems to me some people are more equal to the ANC than others. These crimes are barbaric, evil and definately race motivated. Funny how these murders seems to happen most in places were there are some land reform issues. Makes me wonder who the real racists are......, and what the real motives for these senseless killings are.
hj2k_x
11-04-2006, 04:02 PM
animals indeed... i can only hope HIV strikes them down because our goverment refuses to do anything constructive against violent crime... ...as usual.
Well said. What goes around comes around
Well said. What goes around comes around
hj2k_x
11-04-2006, 04:04 PM
Sorry buddy, but a country with a fertile soil should NEVER abolish agriculture! Rather step it up, and start exporting food to those countries that are too small to afford huge farms...
Thinking about what we would eat? I'm sure you're referring to import of food. IMNSHO that's a crap idea! Imagine if, for some or other reason, the world turns against a country that imports all it's food. One sanction, and the country is wiped out!
ahh m8, at last something we can agree on! I am with u on this one ettu. :)
Thinking about what we would eat? I'm sure you're referring to import of food. IMNSHO that's a crap idea! Imagine if, for some or other reason, the world turns against a country that imports all it's food. One sanction, and the country is wiped out!
ahh m8, at last something we can agree on! I am with u on this one ettu. :)
craigsa
11-04-2006, 05:55 PM
nivek : Fair enough. But only drawing attention to the bad in also the wrong thing to do
Some people here would like to know what is going on and not just live life with blinkers and believing everything we are dished out by the gvt.
Some people here would like to know what is going on and not just live life with blinkers and believing everything we are dished out by the gvt.
nivek
11-04-2006, 08:41 PM
Something needs to be done about the crime. I really really hope that something like this happens to one of our state officials so that they can open their eyes and start protecting people.
ah but the ANC are doing something about crime! Promoting it and helping it spread, letting it run wild.. taking away legal guns, taking away any effective forms of protection...
Farmers living in fear are more likely to give away their farms for next to nothing.. Or think of it this way, a farmer and his wife gets killed in a farm attack, leaving the farm to their kids.. do you think their kids would wanna keep the farm? probably not.. they'll probably sell it way under market value just to get rid of it.. This works out PERFECTLY for the government..
ah but the ANC are doing something about crime! Promoting it and helping it spread, letting it run wild.. taking away legal guns, taking away any effective forms of protection...
Farmers living in fear are more likely to give away their farms for next to nothing.. Or think of it this way, a farmer and his wife gets killed in a farm attack, leaving the farm to their kids.. do you think their kids would wanna keep the farm? probably not.. they'll probably sell it way under market value just to get rid of it.. This works out PERFECTLY for the government..
DigitalSoldier
11-04-2006, 09:21 PM
nivek that sounds about right. By the way did any1 see the statement made by mr zuma about his shower after sex set the south african hiv awareness campain back 15 years.
I cant help to wonder what would have happened if the farm owners shot these savages before they did anything what would have been done ? Farmer would most probably be charged for murder and gone to jail for self defence
I cant help to wonder what would have happened if the farm owners shot these savages before they did anything what would have been done ? Farmer would most probably be charged for murder and gone to jail for self defence
Doges
11-04-2006, 11:09 PM
nivek that sounds about right. By the way did any1 see the statement made by mr zuma about his shower after sex set the south african hiv awareness campain back 15 years.
I saw it too, isn't it pathetic, the ANC spent millions of Rands to educate people about AIDS. And it's own deputy are too stoopid to learn something from the campaign.
I cant help to wonder what would have happened if the farm owners shot these savages before they did anything what would have been done ? Farmer would most probably be charged for murder and gone to jail for self defence
...you forgot to mention the standard label the guy would then be described with......"Racist thug"....
I saw it too, isn't it pathetic, the ANC spent millions of Rands to educate people about AIDS. And it's own deputy are too stoopid to learn something from the campaign.
I cant help to wonder what would have happened if the farm owners shot these savages before they did anything what would have been done ? Farmer would most probably be charged for murder and gone to jail for self defence
...you forgot to mention the standard label the guy would then be described with......"Racist thug"....