Volkswagen Polo Vivo vs Ford Figo

[rpm]

Hi there

Looking for an affordable car for our mother, and so far it seems to Volkswagen Polo Vivo and the Ford Figo provide the best value for money.

Only interested in locally manufactured cars, and reliability is very important.

Your feedback on the best choice?

[Chevron]

Vivo has no service plan. I'd take the Figo. It also has service intervals at 20 000km.

[Joe Average]

In fact, you probably much better off with a Kia Rio.

[HapticSimian]

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Only interested in locally manufactured cars, and reliability is very important.

Best buy the Vivo then, as the Figo is built exclusively in Chennai, India to my knowledge - SA is the only market outside of India where it's sold. Besides, why would you disqualify 95% of the cars available? :confused:

The Vivo will do the job, but it is almost CITI Golf ancient by now. Go test-drive the Vivo and Figo, and then go drive a KIA Rio - the only sensible choice in that market segment at the moment as far as I'm concerned.

[froot]

While Ford is generally very well built these days (no longer worth of the Found On Rubbish Dump), anything built in India could be long-run-dodgy unless otherwise proven. The Vivo is obviously the old Polo and is a proven and reliable car. The maintenance plan is a good idea though (think it's 20k-ish?). Personally I'd go for the Polo Vivo.

[Centaur]

If you can afford some extras in the Polo Vivo, then you are better off buying a Hyundai i20. They currently have a very nice deal, which is the best deal I have seen currently, http://www.hyundai.co.za/index.cfm?event=i20Remix

Seriously the Polo Vivo doesn't even come close to a Hyundai i20.

Also, even though the Polo Vivo is made in South Africa, its parts are still expensive and looking at all the problems people are having with it, I wouldn't get a Polo Vivo anytime soon.

Here is an interesting thread: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/232719-Hyundai-i20-versus-VW-Polo-Vivo
Also here is another thread asking the same comparison as this one: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/261812-Opinion-Ford-Figo-or-VW-Vivo

[burn]

My work colleague has been constantly sending her 1 year old Vivo in for repairs and her 30 000km service was R1,600. My housemate is very happy with his Figo. Just my 2 cents :p

[Hamster]

I've said/ranted this many times before but here goes again. I drove the Vivo as a courtesy car and it is on my list of cars to hate, burn and destroy. Just get the Figo.

[Pooky]

I have a Figo, it's really nice smooth driving. One of the main reasons we bought it was because in the long run it's gonna be much cheaper to maintain than the Vivo.

[Brawler]

i20 or Rio, if not Figo.

[rpm]

Thanks for the feedback.

Will definitely look at the Kia Rio and the Hyundai i20 now as well.

[Tim182]

In fact, you probably much better off with a Kia Rio.

Are you crazy??? Those things spontaneously combust and you and your kids get cancer from the high lead content in the paint applied to the plastic!!!

[Tim182]

In fact, you probably much better off with a Kia Rio.

Are you crazy??? Those things spontaneously combust and you and your kids get cancer from the high lead content in the paint applied to the plastic!!!

Get a proper car

[Chevron]

Are you crazy??? Those things spontaneously combust and you and your kids get cancer from the high lead content in the paint applied to the plastic!!!

Get a proper car

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/131/351/eb6.jpg

[Brawler]

Yep both Car of the year 2012 and runner up were chosen because of their ability to spontaneously combust and give your family cancer.

Stop living in the past.

[Tim182]

Yep both Car of the year 2012 and runner up were chosen because of their ability to spontaneously combust and give your family cancer.

Stop living in the past.

Stop trying to make yourself feel better and justify your bad decision and waste of money when you bought one of them...

[jacqvt]

I checked out a vivo the other day, thought of trading my car for one, buthell, what a borring car. Then you drive to kia, or hyundai, and see what they do with their cars.

Just a thing I thought of the other day, who still drive their cars until it's paid off? So why buy a car that "must last for a lifetime", pay a lot of money for it, while you can pay a lot less, for a lot more car. And hyundai wont give their cars a 5 year warrentee, if they know its crap. I must say, I wont buy anything, like tata, geely, cherry, or so, until they proven to be reliable. But kia, hyundai, diatsu are not bad buys.

And let me tell you, I know of people who even suffered to get a good trade in price for a merc, so no one must ever tell me again to not buy this or that, because of resale value.

[Sly21C]

I say if you can afford an i20, then buy that car rather. But if you are only torn between a Vivo and Figo then most definitely a Figo is value for money. I drive a Figo and at 31 000 kms I am still happy with it.

About 2 years ago I also had to make a decision between a Figo and a Vivo, I settled with the Figo because:
- The suspension of the Vivo is lower than that of the Figo.
- The Figo 1.4 Ambiente has everything one needs for R110000 while a Vivo 1.4 sells for R110000 and yet you have to pay extra for air-con and abs which brings up the total to R125 000. So therefore a Vivo is R15 000 more expensive than a Figo.
- The Vivo is better looking compared to the Figo and therefore a Figo will be less of a target of hijackers :D.

[staunchy20]

i drive a kia rio 2012 and it kicks @ss.... it's really value for money.

this trolling nab just think he is a car expert....

[czc]

So Tim182, what car would you say is a 'good' buy?

[Tim182]

i drive a kia rio 2012 and it kicks @ss

Really....?


So Tim182, what car would you say is a 'good' buy?

Porsche 911 4s

[HiToKiRi]

i20 nuff said.

[pjjdp]

Hyundai, Kia, Ford, VW. In that order, IMO.

BTW, RPM's thread went a bit pear shaped. HapticSimian and Tim182, start your own thread to continue the cat fight.

[staunchy20]

Hyundai, Kia, Ford, VW. In that order, IMO.

BTW, RPM's thread went a bit pear shaped. HapticSimian and Tim182, start your own thread to continue the cat fight.

thumbs up

[Tim182]

Hyundai, Kia, Ford, VW. In that order, IMO.

BTW, RPM's thread went a bit pear shaped. HapticSimian and Tim182, start your own thread to continue the cat fight.

thumbs down

[Rouxenator]

:confused: I thought VW threads only derailed if I was part of it :(

Anyways, like many suggested an i20 is a better option but they are more expensive, like wise the Corsa Essentia is also a good deal but along with the i20 it is on the same level as the new Polo.

If you need space then you will have to got for a new-old car, like the Figo or alternatively a Getz or Aveo. What I would get instead is the i10 - it is in the same price range as the Vivo/Figo but it is a new car and it has a very competitive list of standard features. Yes, it is built in India but it is the best value for money in that price range.

[HapticSimian]

BTW, RPM's thread went a bit pear shaped. HapticSimian and Tim182, start your own thread to continue the cat fight.

Go blow it out your nought - the 'discussion' is still relevant to the choice rpm stands to make.

[Haldex]

Kia Rio!!
The Polo and Ford is old technology, even an old lady will want a NEW spunky car with a 5 year warranty...

[Cool E]

Kia Rio!!
The Polo and Ford is old technology, even an old lady will want a NEW spunky car with a 5 year warranty...

Kia Rio looks like a lady with heavy makeups.

[Brawler]

Slightly offtopic but I think it will help with your decision:


We have to come clean: when the new Toyota Yaris arrived for its road test, we looked at the price and specification level, then set about finding a suitable rival for a comparative test. As usual, we settled on a mainstream/big-name competitor. As we were in the process of arranging the delivery of this rival, the new Kia Rio strolled into our garage, fresh from its launch, took one look at the Yaris and said: “I’ll have some of that.” Once we had compared the data of each vehicle, we realised that it was a no-brainer for a comparative test.

DESIGN AND PACKAGING

The all-new Yaris expounds design language created by the iQ city car (sadly, not available here). The new familial face has been adopted to fit this B-segment offering and has already been seen on, as an example, the new Verso. Toyota is usually keen on maintaining a strong family resemblance and it is mission accomplished with the Yaris. Compared with its predecessor, the new car is far more grown up, more angular and rakish, as opposed to ovoid and bulbous. At a quick glance, you could easily mistake it for a Corolla, which isn’t ideal for a car aimed at young buyers. The appearance is even more anonymous when viewed from behind, while the stretched wheelbase and wider tracks make it appear less compact and well proportioned than its popular predecessor.

By contrast, the Rio is far more stylish. Ex-Audi designer Peter Schreyer was definitely a good recruit to the cause and his signature tiger-nose grille has found a place on all recently launched Kias. Flanking this distinctive treatment are oversized upswept headlamps that create a bold facade. In this topspec 1,4 Tec, LEDs help the stylistic cause.

Viewed in profile, you cannot help but notice how the waistline rises steeply from the front fender to the taillamps, creating a strong wedge shape. At the rear is a pair of large, angular lamps that look of particularly high quality because they utilise tubular bulbs, similar to that employed on most modern BMWs.

The Rio’s looks are further enhanced by bright 17-inch alloys – another drawcard for prospective young buyers – whereas the Yaris makes do with 15-inch items.

Sliding into the Yaris, you are met with an interior treatment that left all our testers scratching their heads. What was Toyota thinking? The quality of the materials is the first point of concern, as they are rough to the touch and feel flimsy in some areas, such as the top of the facia. A strange streaky motif – almost as if the plastic was raked before it cooled – is adopted on most surfaces.

The instrument cluster is standard white-on-black fare and is now placed in front of the driver instead of in the centre of the facia. Oldschool LCD displays are used within the cluster and for the audio system. Speaking of the latter, for some unknown reason, Toyota has chosen to hide the USB port in the glove compartment.

Wide, grey, horizontal inserts ahead of the front passenger and on the door tops are meant to lift the dour interior and create the impression of a wide cabin; we think it fails on both counts. One of our testers went as far as calling the facia treatment and plastic quality a disaster, and said the cabin belongs in a car from the mid-‘90s.

Again, the Rio has the Yaris trumped. The look and feel inside are much more grown up and well executed. The design is more coherent and the perceived quality is years ahead of the Toyota. The Kia simply appears more mature, yet also fresher. We especially like the toggle-style switches on the lower facia.

Look closely and you will see a lot more features than in the Yaris, including climate control, leather upholstery and Bluetooth handsfree, equipment that even much more expensive luxury cars do not offer as standard.

The instruments, too, look far more modern. Back-lit, white numbers are complemented by red displays for the comprehensive onboard computer and audio read-out. While the Rio’s computer can be accessed by satellite controls on the steering wheel, in the Yaris you have to reach through or around the wheel to click a button that is mounted with the cluster.

Both cars offer steering wheel audio controls, which are great safety features and additions at this end of the market.

In the space race it is a pretty even-run event. Both cars offer good room for front and rear occupants, considering the class they fit into. If anything, the sculpted front seatbacks in the Yaris help create a little more kneeroom for rear-seat passengers.

That extra legroom does impact marginally on the luggage room, as the Toyota has less boot space at 232 versus 248 dm3 for the Kia. Surprisingly, the Kia manages to win on boot volume even though it houses a full-size alloy spare wheel under the boot board.

On the road

Small hatchbacks are designed for a wide variety of drivers and uses but, for the most part, they are aimed at younger drivers and the driving controls are developed with this in mind.

Piloting either car is a doddle. The major controls are light and mostly devoid of feel. The Yaris has the shorter-travel clutch pedal, which makes it slightly more prone to stalling. A higher bite point on the Rio makes for easy use in traffic. So there isn’t much to choose in that regard.

Neither is there much difference between the gearshift actions. The Toyota has a slightly more mechanical feel through its shortthrow gearlever, which won’t sit well with all drivers. The Rio feels far more detached from the inner workings of the gearbox.

From behind the helm, the Rio has the quicker-rack steering action, with just 2,82 turns needed from lock-to-lock. The Yaris requires 3,0 turns for the same.

In-line, four-pot motors are employed in both cases, and each drives the front wheels via sixspeed gearboxes.

The Rio might have the on-paper power advantage, its engine has the larger displacement and it develops more power. However, it also weighs a good 100 kg more than the Yaris. So, in a straight line, there isn’t much to choose between these two, and no one buying a 1,3-litre hatch should ever expect GTI-rivalling performance. If there is any differentiation worth noting, it is that the Yaris powerplant feels more refined and eager to rev than that of the Rio, despite its longer gearing.

As they both pack small engines, fuel consumption is expected to be low. Toyota claims an average fuel consumption of just 5,6 litres/100 km in the combined cycle and Kia claims 6,4 for the same routine. On our fuel route, the Yaris achieved 6,5 and the Rio 6,6 litres/100 km.

Of more importance is the ride quality and, to a lesser extent, handling ability. The Toyota feels typically, er, Toyota-ish through the seat of the pants and its tyres. Ride comfort is very good and the handling displays no real vices. Any ambitious driving is announced with a chirp from the tyres but matters never get out of hand.

Considering its larger alloys, by a full two inches in diameter, the Rio displays a ride that is easily comparable with that of the Yaris. One area of criticism we have levelled at most recent Kia products is the artificial feel of the steering action. A new Kia we drove recently felt as though it was connected to a gaming console with force-feedback. Thankfully this unseemly trait has not been carried over to the new Rio. The quick-rack steering may not be communicative, but it’s as good as any other full-electric system. It is comparatively entertaining to drive. The nose resists understeer to a decent degree and there aren’t any butt-clenching moments if you become too carried away.

Neither car is fitted with an electronic stability system but both have ABS, which makes for fussfree emergency braking. However, here again the Kia has the Toyota beat. While the Rio managed a good average stopping time of 2,97 seconds, in the same procedure the Yaris only managed an average of 3,39 seconds, earning it a poor rating.

VALUE FOR MONEY

Priced at R177 600, the Yaris is not as cheap as the Rio, which was launched at R168 995. Now, we would forgive the Yaris the dearer price tag if it came chock-full of standard features or excelled in various aspects of the drive experience. But it doesn't. It seems that Toyota is trading heavily on the popularity of its brand.

Not only is the Rio cheaper, but it is also feature-laden. Apart from satellite navigation there is little that this car lacks; there are even parking sensors in the rear bumper. Our test unit was fitted with a sunroof, which adds R6 000 – and it’s still cheaper than the Toyota.

Both cars include four-year/ 60 000 km service plans in their list prices, but the Kia once again trumps the Toyota by virtue of a more realistic five-year/ 100 000 km warranty versus three years/100 000 km.

TEST SUMMARY

There was a time when such comparisons fell in favour of the mainstream brand, with statements such as “The next generation Kia should be better” or “The Korean falls short because”, but that time has come and gone.

In this test, the Rio has delivered a knock-out blow to the Yaris. It has beaten it in nearly all aspects. Once the doyen of South African buyers, Toyota has often seen off the challenge from newcomers, but not anymore. The manufacturer should hope brand loyalty runs deep and strong, as the Yaris is outclassed at the price.

http://www.carmag.co.za/article/kia-rio-14-tec-vs-toyota-yaris-s-13-xs-2012-01-30

[Rouxenator]

They summed it up pretty good with regards to Toyota. The Aygo is also way over priced and under quality when compared to Koreans like the i10 and Picanto.

I was disappointed that GMSA gave CAR two dud Sonic 1.3 diesels and I hope the bad press they gave about it will prompt GMSA to pull up their socks and iron out those bugs fast. Deawoo has always made pretty good cars but I have the feeling this one was a rushed job.

[Fazda]

I haven't read the thread, but the original question was Figo or Vivo....

To that one, all I can do is say that I have just driven a Vivo from Durban to Cape Town, and averaged 5.9 l/100 (Just undeer 1000 k's on a tank). GREAT little car, comfortable, blue tooth on the radio, and airbags. No need to go Indian or Korean at all...:D

[Rouxenator]

:rolleyes: Yes, well, you would say that...

[Tim182]

I haven't read the thread, but the original question was Figo or Vivo....

To that one, all I can do is say that I have just driven a Vivo from Durban to Cape Town, and averaged 5.9 l/100 (Just undeer 1000 k's on a tank). GREAT little car, comfortable, blue tooth on the radio, and airbags. No need to go Indian or Korean at all...:D

Why not just simply go for a 2010/2009 Polo 1.6 comfortline? They go for around the same price (or less) and you have plenty of warrenty left. And you get all the benefits of the extras... Same argument goes for a 2009/2010 Fiesta although you probably get even more than with the Polo. Either one is better than a new Figo or Vivo...

[Pakka]

I just saw a Rio again. And as far as looks are concerned, interior and exterior, it whips Figo ass

[FarligOpptreden]

:confused: I thought VW threads only derailed if I was part of it :(

Anyways, like many suggested an i20 is a better option but they are more expensive, like wise the Corsa Essentia is also a good deal but along with the i20 it is on the same level as the new Polo.

If you need space then you will have to got for a new-old car, like the Figo or alternatively a Getz or Aveo. What I would get instead is the i10 - it is in the same price range as the Vivo/Figo but it is a new car and it has a very competitive list of standard features. Yes, it is built in India but it is the best value for money in that price range.
If RPM's going the i10 route, I'd rather recommend the Picanto. Awesome little car and perceived quality is actually quite high... Also comes loaded with spec.

[Rouxenator]

If RPM's going the i10 route, I'd rather recommend the Picanto. Awesome little car and perceived quality is actually quite high... Also comes loaded with spec.

Actually no, it does not come loaded with spec. (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/405197-Why-the-i10-is-a-better-deal-than-the-Picanto)

i10 has colour coded mirrors and door handles across the range
i10 has height adjustable seats across the range
i10 has electrically adjustable and heated side mirrors across the range
i10 has electric windows all round across the range (no Picanto has that)
i10 has front fog lights across the range
i10 has passenger seat undertray across the range
i10 has rear window wiper across the range
i10 has steering wheel remote controls across the range

[Chevron]

Actually no, it does not come loaded with spec. (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/405197-Why-the-i10-is-a-better-deal-than-the-Picanto)

i10 has colour coded mirrors and door handles across the range
i10 has height adjustable seats across the range
i10 has electrically adjustable and heated side mirrors across the range
i10 has electric windows all round across the range (no Picanto has that)
i10 has front fog lights across the range
i10 has passenger seat undertray across the range
i10 has rear window wiper across the range
i10 has steering wheel remote controls across the range

The Picanto still looks better. :D

[Rouxenator]

Looks are subjective, it is not going to make your life any more convenient.

[Quantum Theory]

The Picanto still looks better. :D

I don't like the way it looks. Front bumper and grill are a little bottom heavy. I prefer the i10's looks.

[Brawler]

Why look at the Picanto or i10 when you can get a i20/Rio for the price of a decent Vivo?

[Messugga]

I'm not seeing anybody mentioning a slightly used Honda Jazz. It's a superb car and very reliable. You'll have to look around a tad for an affordable one, but a low mileage one can be had for less than a new i20.

[Fazda]

:rolleyes: Yes, well, you would say that...

Yes, Mister Roux, I would say that, rather than try and derail the guy into a Kia or a Corsa, or whatever your current flavour of the month happens to be. He wanted to know about a Figo and a Vivo - I have experience with a Vivo, so I gave it to him. :rolleyes:

[Rouxenator]

Funny you should mention flavor of the month and the go on to talk about the Vivo, the flavor of last decade :D

[supersunbird]

But you're a [-]idiot[/-] salesman

Only idiot found is the one qouted in this post...

[supersunbird]

Anyway, drove the Figo, was a very nice drive. Nice drive and handling with smooth power delivery. Mom has automatic Vivo (Figo doesn't have that and her left foot not very usable) and while its nice inside (love the bluetooth stereo but its optional extra) its a average drive.

[Rouxenator]

With VW most things are optional extras.

[Fazda]

I have to laugh.

Now that I am home, and can actually read through the whole thread, it's like listening to a bunch of girls arguing over a boy in the school!

I would choose "him"

No, he's got zits, choose HIM.

No, HE has zits and smelly breath choose HiM.............sad.

All the OP wanted to know was why anyone would choose a or b not the whole bloody alphabet...

[HapticSimian]

I have to laugh.

Now that I am home, and can actually read through the whole thread, it's like listening to a bunch of girls arguing over a boy in the school!

I would choose "him"

No, he's got zits, choose HIM.

No, HE has zits and smelly breath choose HiM.............sad.

All the OP wanted to know was why anyone would choose a or b not the whole bloody alphabet...

If both a and b are less than ideal options, surely people are free to comment as to why they think this is the case? :confused: This, compounded by the fact that rpm's initial post was built on a bit of a fallacy...

[Fazda]

If both a and b are less than ideal options, surely people are free to comment as to why they think this is the case? :confused: This, compounded by the fact that rpm's initial post was built on a bit of a fallacy...

And that fallacy is in your opinion, I suppose?

Lets put it another way....If I ask you if I should have a Coke or a Fanta (because both appeal to me). I do not expect to be told to have a cup of coffee...it's not what I was originally asking for.

My answer was in reply to the original question....Vivo or Figo....and I answered because I had experienced and enjoyed a Vivo, not for any other reason.

[HapticSimian]

And that fallacy is in your opinion, I suppose?

Lets put it another way....If I ask you if I should have a Coke or a Fanta (because both appeal to me). I do not expect to be told to have a cup of coffee...it's not what I was originally asking for.

My answer was in reply to the original question....Vivo or Figo....and I answered because I had experienced and enjoyed a Vivo, not for any other reason.

:rolleyes:


...
Only interested in locally manufactured cars
...

Does that help? I'd strongly advise against either because they're tarted-up, out-dated money-spinning insults to new car buyers. Notwithstanding the fact that I'm a massive VW fan, the Vivo is a PoS. VW took the Polo and did all they could to turn a decent car into a CITI Golf. Go look at the cheap-ass wipers they stuck on the Vivo. Or drive an older Polo and a Vivo back-to-back; the Vivo has substantially less noise insulation fitted. For similar reasons, I don't hold the Figo in high regard either.

There are simply better ways to spend your money if you've made the decision that you have to buy a new car.

[Fazda]

Erm...in that case why the hell is everybody pushing the Kia and the Hyundai?? Last time I looked they were produced in bloody Korea!! :rolleyes:

[HapticSimian]

Erm...in that case why the hell is everybody pushing the Kia and the Hyundai?? Last time I looked they were produced in bloody Korea!! :rolleyes:

To my knowledge the Vivo is the only car in this class that is locally assembled, and with it being a PoS it's only prudent to extend the discussion to other options rather than settle on the Vivo. Buying a car purely because it's built locally is a little daft.

[Fazda]

To my knowledge the Vivo is the only car in this class that is locally assembled, and with it being a PoS it's only prudent to extend the discussion to other options rather than settle on the Vivo. Buying a car purely because it's built locally is a little daft.

A POS in YOUR opinion...6000 odd buyers a month might just disagree with you.

BTW, YOU were the one who highlighted the Buy Local bit to me, now you are arguing against yourself...:wtf:

[HapticSimian]

A POS in YOUR opinion...6000 odd buyers a month might just disagree with you.
6,000 buyers a month are blindly buying whatever VW stick their badge on - I know, I sold a fair few dozen of them before I left VW. :p


BTW, YOU were the one who highlighted the Buy Local bit to me, now you are arguing against yourself...:wtf:

rpm stated a desire to buy a locally built car, assuming the Figo and Vivo are both built locally. The Figo isn't, which leaves the Vivo as the only option satisfying the condition. The condition is daft. How do you arrive at me arguing against myself? Perhaps you need a nap?

[Fazda]

OK, then he needs to buy a Vivo. :D Case closed. :D

I see that we are dealing with a disillusioned ex VW salesman here...sad. :(

[HapticSimian]

OK, then he needs to buy a Vivo. :D Case closed. :D
See how quickly the posts rack up. :p


I see that we are dealing with a disillusioned ex VW salesman here...sad. :(
Not in the least, mate. I simply see the CITI Golf as the ****-our-customers golden-egg laying goose that it was, and the Vivo as VWSA's attempt to keep that goose alive. I'm still of the opinion that VWs present just about the best you can get in every class they compete in, bar the entry level. Toyota and VW have fallen off the boat quite comprehensively in that segment.

Instead of accusing me of being disillusioned, take off your pro-VW spectacles and look at the Vivo objectively - it is simply not the best buy at the price.

[Chevron]

OK, then he needs to buy a Vivo. :D Case closed. :D

I see that we are dealing with a disillusioned ex VW salesman here...sad. :(

People buy vivos because they can't afford polos.

[Fazda]

See how quickly the posts rack up. :p


Not in the least, mate. I simply see the CITI Golf as the ****-our-customers golden-egg laying goose that it was, and the Vivo as VWSA's attempt to keep that goose alive. I'm still of the opinion that VWs present just about the best you can get in every class they compete in, bar the entry level. Toyota and VW have fallen off the boat quite comprehensively in that segment.

Instead of accusing me of being disillusioned, take off your pro-VW spectacles and look at the Vivo objectively - it is simply not the best buy at the price.

I am looking at the Vivo objectively, and I'm afraid I disagree with you. I am currently looking for a Vivo sedan for myself, and after owning several (5) Polo's in the past, and the experience of driving the 1.4 to Cape Town I would happily buy one. As I am in the business, I am waiting for a nice one to come in, similar to the one I drove, and I will put my money where my mouth is.

I really couldn't give a damn if it doesn't look like a frog with lipstick, that will be out of fashion in about 9 months...I like it, and I don't mind recommending it.

I have no doubt that I will thoroughly enjoy owning it, and that is the end of the story...:D

[Fazda]

People buy vivos because they can't afford polos.

Sure thing. If I could afford a new Polo I would buy one, but guess, what, we don't all earn fortunes....go figure...

[HapticSimian]

I am looking at the Vivo objectively, and I'm afraid I disagree with you. I am currently looking for a Vivo sedan for myself, and after owning several (5) Polo's in the past, and the experience of driving the 1.4 to Cape Town I would happily buy one. As I am in the business, I am waiting for a nice one to come in, similar to the one I drove, and I will put my money where my mouth is.

I really couldn't give a damn if it doesn't look like a frog with lipstick, that will be out of fashion in about 9 months...I like it, and I don't mind recommending it.

I have no doubt that I will thoroughly enjoy owning it, and that is the end of the story...:D

You're of course more than welcome to spend your money however you want. However, based on 10s of thousands of kilometres personal experience with Vivos, and substantially more with various other VeeDubs, I can't mirror your recommendation. To reiterate, I quite simply don't think it's the best buy at its price. :)

[Fazda]

You're of course more than welcome to spend your money however you want. However, based on 10s of thousands of kilometres personal experience with Vivos, and substantially more with various other VeeDubs, I can't mirror your recommendation. To reiterate, I quite simply don't think it's the best buy at its price. :)

Just done a quick count...out of the 70 cars I have owned in my life, 30 of them have been VW's and I have been happy with every one....guess I could live with a Vivo...:p

I could recommend them too!! ;)

[Fazda]

My choice...:D

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7199/6916649447_01b6efb0c6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulcowie/6916649447/)
Polo Vivo - heading for Cape Town (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulcowie/6916649447/)

[Brawler]

I have to laugh.

Now that I am home, and can actually read through the whole thread, it's like listening to a bunch of girls arguing over a boy in the school!

I would choose "him"

No, he's got zits, choose HIM.

No, HE has zits and smelly breath choose HiM.............sad.



LOL, and then you jump in head first

[Fazda]

LOL, and then you jump in head first

actually, no I didn't...I was simply answering rpm's original question....The monkey managed to muddle the rest up...:p

[Gnome]

Had a look at some old threads with HapticSimian about 2 years ago. Considering he went from completely recommending VW and being a die hard VW fan to recommending Kia or Hyundai shows me how far those companies have come in 2 years.

I'm starting to feel even my i20 looks outdated compared to the new Kia Rio: side air bags, climate control, blue tooth, leather seats, auto lights. Those are features you only got in the R200k+ segment just a few months ago. I would love a Kia Rio if they could just sell it with the Hyundai/Kia 1.6 engine (91kW engine used in i20).

Hyundai (and Kia which is a sister company) are really moving fast.

I wish VW and Toyota all the best, they are going to need it, fan loyalty in SA is strong but not that strong, it'll falter soon enough. Btw. I base that on fact, friend recently tried to buy a Kia Picanto and couldn't get one (3 month waiting period). Same for the Kia Sportage (7 months) and Hyundai ix35 (also months). They are literally flying off the sales floors. Didn't ask about Rio or Accent but my guess is both also have a waiting lists.

[Rouxenator]

You should also take into account that the current fan base VW and Toyota have was built up primarily due to lack of choice in the late 80s. When I grew up and we got our first VW is was actually considered being poor - volkswagen - that's what poor people drive. But deprived of choice in terms of affordable cars many people went the VW and Toyota route and now they have a strong following.

The difference is these days they are no longer affordable and options are plentiful. Now the real "peoples cars" (cars that people can actually afford) come from Korea and China. Yep, the Geely LC was one of the first Chinese cars to impress CAR magazine.

So in short what I am trying to say is, VW and Toyota built up their fan base, much like Ford and Chev did before them. But their is a continuous revolution in the car industry so their popularity will decline soon enough. In the last year alone I have heard quite few people expressing my exact sentiments "What, VW? No too overpriced and not unique".

[HapticSimian]

Had a look at some old threads with HapticSimian about 2 years ago. Considering he went from completely recommending VW and being a die hard VW fan to recommending Kia or Hyundai shows me how far those companies have come in 2 years.

I'd still happily recommend a VW in many - if not most - cases; my motivation for recommending a given car is dependent on the specific scenario. :)

[Fazda]

I'm starting to feel even my i20 looks outdated compared to the new Kia Rio

I am highlighting Gnome's quote above, because he raises a very valid point.

Kia and Hyundai are coming out with more and more radical designs almost anually, and if one is to use a comparison with the fashion industry, a Hyundai is suddenly looking "So last year" beacause of it.

I personally, and please note that I used the word "personally" would rather have a car that is not changed radically every year or so, and go for a car that will still look fresh in ten years time, simply because changes are subtle and do not follow spur of the moment fashion trends.

In clothing terms, it would be like comparing the "little black dress and pearls" worn by Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffanys, and which still looks good nearly 50 years later, with something that Lady Gaga would wear, which will be out of date by the next red carpet affair.

Be careful of the Lady Gaga outfit which might be uber cool now, but bloody awful when you try and trade it in in 4 years time.... ;)

[Gnome]

I personally, and please note that I used the word "personally" would rather have a car that is not changed radically every year or so, and go for a car that will still look fresh in ten years time, simply because changes are subtle and do not follow spur of the moment fashion trends.

I meant more in terms of the features. The look is nice too but mostly the features on the Rio are amazing considering the price. To me that is awesome. Can't wait to upgrade in 4 years! I honestly can't imagine how much more modern my Hyundai or Kia will be at that point. Might even be that they become as expensive as the rest (eg. go the same route VW & Toyota went charging a premium for their brand).

Personally I don't feel the i20 looks out of date yet. It looks far less aggressive than the new generation of Hyundai/Kia motors but that doesn't suddenly make it unsightly.

[Brawler]

I am highlighting Gnome's quote above, because he raises a very valid point.

Kia and Hyundai are coming out with more and more radical designs almost anually, and if one is to use a comparison with the fashion industry, a Hyundai is suddenly looking "So last year" beacause of it.

I personally, and please note that I used the word "personally" would rather have a car that is not changed radically every year or so, and go for a car that will still look fresh in ten years time, simply because changes are subtle and do not follow spur of the moment fashion trends.

Funny that you mention that as when this outrageous Subaru XV was launched you were lauding its good looks?

http://www.japanesesportcars.com/photos/d/129283-2/2011-subaru-xv-concept-5.jpg

I appreciate conservative styling as well, not a fan of most Pokemon kind of cars to, I too find the Elantra and Sonata's styling a little to "fluid".
However take a look around, look at the Pokemon looking Toyotas (Aygo, Yaris, Corolla), Hondas (New Civic:sick:, Ballade), Nissans and hell even Range Rover Evoque... There is obviously a market for these kind of cars so they have their place.

Previous Hyundais and KIAs were hideous and totally bland, there was no signature styling throughout the brand, if you didn't see the badge you wouldn't have a clue what it was. However things have changed massively for the better. Now the entire KIA range sport the Tiger nose(funny enough the designer, Peter Schreyer is ex-VAG and we all know how much you like VAG) and the entire Hyundai range are based on the fluid design. These new cars will not simply be forgotten as their ancestors were as they contain visual cues which will instantly identify them as being a Hyundai or KIA. The general public likes these new designs and the brands are locked to them so you will not simply see a "radical new model every year". I personally think most of the new KIA's are the best looking cars in their class but that is subjective however go read some reviews, most of the motoring journalists agree with me.

What happened to you when Hyundai and KIA were named car of the year and runner up respectively? I didn't see your comments. I would love to hear them.

[Fazda]

The XV is perhaps outrageous to your eye, but not to mine - in fact, it's probably way too conservative to be accepted by the KIA/Hyundai brigade in SA.

As for my comments on the Hyundai and KIA - the less said the better. You already know what I think of the styling, and I am simply sitting back as the wildly gullible SA market gets swept away by the new kids on the block. This market is guided by bling over functionality/engineering, and with that being the case, I was not surprised at the COTY award at all.

[Brawler]

The XV is perhaps outrageous to your eye, but not to mine - in fact, it's probably way too conservative to be accepted by the KIA/Hyundai brigade in SA.

As for my comments on the Hyundai and KIA - the less said the better. You already know what I think of the styling, and I am simply sitting back as the wildly gullible SA market gets swept away by the new kids on the block. This market is guided by bling over functionality/engineering, and with that being the case, I was not surprised at the COTY award at all.

LOL too conservative... I see the salesman is coming out to play :P

Gullible SA markets? For the past few years both brands have seen global growth figures in the double digits, last year alone KIA sold 21.3% more vehicles so it seems the whole world is gullible then. Or maybe its certain saffers who are the gullible ones buying decade old designs at a premium price. Enjoy your "new" Vivo though.

[Rouxenator]

Again I see many of you tend to forget about how things were a couple of decades ago and how the trend has changed. Perhaps the biggest thing to keep in mind is that beauty is in the eye of the beer holder :)

Anyways, back when the first Golf came out it was styled by the famous Giorgetto Giugiaro. His theme was folded paper and back then many manufacturers used external designers, so you can see that theme in cars like the Golf Mk1, Audi 80, DeLorean DMC-12, FIAT Uno, Lotus Esprit and even the Hyundai Accent's predecessor the Pony Excel. Essentially many cars looked the same in that era.

These days most manufacturers use in house styling and they define their own styling DNA, like the fluidic sculpture theme of Hyundai or the Opel wing/blade approach. You now see more distinct car designs that is easily attached to a manufacturer.

Lastly the updates and new models are released quicker than it was years ago. Just look at the many face-lifts the current Toyota Hilux got, and thats only a bakkie!

So if new car designs are too bewildering to you then I guess I'll have to give my (old) age away and quote Barney Simon - "If its too loud, your too old" :p

[froot]

RAS :mad:

[Rouxenator]

RAS :mad:

wit

[HapticSimian]

wit

Whilst most of your posts probably qualify, in this instance you just missed some prior post by Spammy Spammerson that was deep-sixed by the mods early this morning. :p

[froot]

Whilst most of your posts probably qualify, in this instance you just missed some prior post by Spammy Spammerson that was deep-sixed by the mods early this morning. :p

This. They usually delete our RAS's too.