ajak
10-05-2006, 09:28 PM
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/&articleid=271360
View Full Version : Palestine on the brink of collapse (servers them right)
ajak
10-05-2006, 09:37 PM
Agree:)
kilo39
10-05-2006, 10:09 PM
(What I don't understand is - why don't other middle eastern countries step forward and cover these bills - with their multi-trillion oil dollars?)
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sludge
10-05-2006, 10:15 PM
Hmmm... Also wondering kilo39.
I think they might be afraid of the US?
Maybe they think palestine is a lost cause? dunno...
I think they might be afraid of the US?
Maybe they think palestine is a lost cause? dunno...
craigsa
11-05-2006, 09:45 AM
Yeah sludge i agree.
kilo39
11-05-2006, 06:46 PM
Hmmm... Also wondering kilo39.
I think they might be afraid of the US?
Maybe they think palestine is a lost cause? dunno... Well I know Iran gave a few million to Hamas a few weeks ago - and there was a conference about 8 months ago - but this doesn't seem to be the answer? Perhaps "mechanisms" are in place - bank accounts etc - Arab countries can't just take over the load? Perhaps other middle east countries don't want to be a target for America/Israel? Maybe they just don't care?! Maybe they would rather keep all their money to themselves??! Maybe they believe in the principle of the thing, ie, Israel should not be keeping Palestinian taxes - so people must starve to make a point?!
I think they might be afraid of the US?
Maybe they think palestine is a lost cause? dunno... Well I know Iran gave a few million to Hamas a few weeks ago - and there was a conference about 8 months ago - but this doesn't seem to be the answer? Perhaps "mechanisms" are in place - bank accounts etc - Arab countries can't just take over the load? Perhaps other middle east countries don't want to be a target for America/Israel? Maybe they just don't care?! Maybe they would rather keep all their money to themselves??! Maybe they believe in the principle of the thing, ie, Israel should not be keeping Palestinian taxes - so people must starve to make a point?!
sludge
11-05-2006, 08:51 PM
Very true!
It is sad really.
It's like a see-saw(spelling?), terrorists attack Israel, Israel attacks terrorist, but unfortunately it doesn't end there, Israel sort of strangles palestine.
Israel can do this because of america's support, and the western branding of whole countries as terrorists. So then the whole country has to pay the price for a few extremists. But on the other hand, they voted for hamas, and they are considered a terrorist organisation, and the people knew that. It was a pretty bold move from their people!
I also think they are wrong to deny Israel nationhood, why can't they just compromise and start rebuilding Palestine?
But anyway, I think the other arab countries are also afraid of Israel. Israel has nukes, they have an very modern army, US, European and self-built weaponry and they have financial backing from the west. While the arab countries has soviet style weapons and only their own oil funds which the world bank can freeze if it is invested overseas.
It is sad really.
It's like a see-saw(spelling?), terrorists attack Israel, Israel attacks terrorist, but unfortunately it doesn't end there, Israel sort of strangles palestine.
Israel can do this because of america's support, and the western branding of whole countries as terrorists. So then the whole country has to pay the price for a few extremists. But on the other hand, they voted for hamas, and they are considered a terrorist organisation, and the people knew that. It was a pretty bold move from their people!
I also think they are wrong to deny Israel nationhood, why can't they just compromise and start rebuilding Palestine?
But anyway, I think the other arab countries are also afraid of Israel. Israel has nukes, they have an very modern army, US, European and self-built weaponry and they have financial backing from the west. While the arab countries has soviet style weapons and only their own oil funds which the world bank can freeze if it is invested overseas.
kilo39
11-05-2006, 09:10 PM
A world ruled by the Old Testament. An eye for an eye will never work and always further inflame a situation. Locked in by their religion. And yes - I am ashamed that 'the west, excluding usa' - has got so little to say in support of the Palestinians. Arabs messed up - should never have invaded - so on some level Israel is correct and allowed to hold onto territories (spoils of war) - and Hamas should make the simple statement "Israel allowed to exist" -. The daily grind in lives shows humanity for what it is: a primitive meatspace with no appreciation of the sanctity of human life.
sludge
11-05-2006, 09:51 PM
A world ruled by the Old Testament. An eye for an eye will never work and always further inflame a situation. Locked in by their religion. And yes - I am ashamed that 'the west, excluding usa' - has got so little to say in support of the Palestinians. Arabs messed up - should never have invaded - so on some level Israel is correct and allowed to hold onto territories (spoils of war) - and Hamas should make the simple statement "Israel allowed to exist" -. The daily grind in lives shows humanity for what it is: a primitive meatspace with no appreciation of the sanctity of human life.
Yip, I agree 100% with you!
Human lives should be regarded the most valuable thing in existance!
Yip, I agree 100% with you!
Human lives should be regarded the most valuable thing in existance!
Xarog
12-05-2006, 05:15 AM
This is a good demonstration of how little regard America really has for democracy.
Incidentally, Fatah started out as a terrorist organisation as well.
As for not recognising Israel's right to exist, I can't really say I blame Hamas. I don't recognise the legitimacy of any state that continues to commit warcrimes.
Incidentally, Fatah started out as a terrorist organisation as well.
As for not recognising Israel's right to exist, I can't really say I blame Hamas. I don't recognise the legitimacy of any state that continues to commit warcrimes.
craigsa
12-05-2006, 07:35 AM
:rolleyes: Well Xarog then whats your stance on suicide bombings? I suppose you think thats ok ?
Xarog
12-05-2006, 07:49 AM
Well Xarog then whats your stance on suicide bombings?
Nice way to ignore my point.
I suppose you think thats ok ?
Why would you assume that?
But really, it seems only fair. If Israel doesn't want to recognise Hamas as the duly elected palestinian authority, and hand over the monies it has collected on the palestinian authority's behalf, why the hell should Hamas recognise Israel?
Nice way to ignore my point.
I suppose you think thats ok ?
Why would you assume that?
But really, it seems only fair. If Israel doesn't want to recognise Hamas as the duly elected palestinian authority, and hand over the monies it has collected on the palestinian authority's behalf, why the hell should Hamas recognise Israel?
craigsa
12-05-2006, 07:52 AM
Sorry but Hamas will not recognise Israel as they want to see the destruction of the state so i don't blame Israel. Fully behind them. So tell me then whats your stance on Suicide Bombings ?
Xarog
12-05-2006, 07:54 AM
Sorry but Hamas will not recognise Israel as they want to see the destruction of the state so i don't blame Israel.
Well, by that standard you can't blame Hamas either.
Well, by that standard you can't blame Hamas either.
bb_matt
12-05-2006, 08:07 AM
You can only assume that Palestine is used by it's Arab neighbours as a "bargaining" chip only when it suits them, otherwise surely they would come to it's aid?
As for the mess that is the Israel/Palastine situation, you can partially blame the British/USA for that, lets not forget, modern Israel was only officially founded in 1948 and it was founded in Palestine!
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/coins.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/alpart.html
England administered Palestine in a manner which enabled the Jews to flood it with immigrants and helped them to settle in the country. (This was so) notwithstanding the fact that it was proved that the density of the population in Palestine had exceeded the economic capacity of the country to absorb additional immigrants. England did not pay regard to the interests or rights of the Arab inhabitants, the lawful owners of the country. Although they used to express, by various means, their concern and indignation on account of this state of affairs which was harmful to their being and their future, they (invariably) were met by indifference, imprisonment and oppression.
But check out the timeline to truly understand the issues here, that go waaaaay back :-
http://www.palestinehistory.com/history.htm
As for the mess that is the Israel/Palastine situation, you can partially blame the British/USA for that, lets not forget, modern Israel was only officially founded in 1948 and it was founded in Palestine!
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/coins.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/alpart.html
England administered Palestine in a manner which enabled the Jews to flood it with immigrants and helped them to settle in the country. (This was so) notwithstanding the fact that it was proved that the density of the population in Palestine had exceeded the economic capacity of the country to absorb additional immigrants. England did not pay regard to the interests or rights of the Arab inhabitants, the lawful owners of the country. Although they used to express, by various means, their concern and indignation on account of this state of affairs which was harmful to their being and their future, they (invariably) were met by indifference, imprisonment and oppression.
But check out the timeline to truly understand the issues here, that go waaaaay back :-
http://www.palestinehistory.com/history.htm
Xarog
12-05-2006, 08:09 AM
The sad thing is that 100 years ago, everyone was living there in relative peace. Trust politics to royally screw everything yet again.