WP7 takes 7% of market in China

[roguemat]

This is insane, it's taken over the iPhone in 2 months. Okay, so their share is only 6%, but still damn impressive.
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-phone-opens-a-can-of-whoopass-in-china-takes-7-of-the-market

[SuperBru]

Except for my wife I've never seen anyone using a Windows Phone in Africa.

[Ivanr]

Except for my wife I've never seen anyone using a Windows Phone in Africa.
I use my Lumia on business trips to the Congo regularly, so here is one more Windows Phone in Africa.

[roguemat]

Except for my wife I've never seen anyone using a Windows Phone in Africa.

I know atleast 10 people around me that use WP7, and that's excluding the obvious ones like MS/Nokia employees.

[MrGKruger]

Trolls will Troll

[dualmeister]

Had one Windows based phone. Never again :(

[ghoti]

Nice. I as of yet have to see someone buy one of these phones. No one in my town seems to have one yet. hehe.

[roguemat]

Had one Windows based phone. Never again :(

Which was it? 6.5?
Yeah, because that's totally the same.

[dualmeister]

Once bitten, twice shy ;)

[MrGKruger]

I know people who has blackberries, this doesn't make it a good phone.

[alf101]

This is insane, it's taken over the iPhone in 2 months. Okay, so their share is only 6%, but still damn impressive.
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-phone-opens-a-can-of-whoopass-in-china-takes-7-of-the-market

When you start seeing knock-off Windows phones you'll know its popular.

[ClintX]

I know people who has blackberries, this doesn't make it a good phone.

Really?!? That is interesting to hear as I always hear people with Android seemingly implying how important market share is.


Nice. I as of yet have to see someone buy one of these phones. No one in my town seems to have one yet. hehe.

It would help if the bloody service providers in South Africa would keep the phone. Had a friend who wanted a Lumia 800 but was with MTN and they could not say if they would get it. She waited three months after her upgrade was due and they still were unsure.

[ghoti]

It would help if the bloody service providers in South Africa would keep the phone. Had a friend who wanted a Lumia 800 but was with MTN and they could not say if they would get it. She waited three months after her upgrade was due and they still were unsure.
Autopage and Vodacom sell them in East London. They always have in stock here as no one is really buying them :D

[Nduimiso]

http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/05/paging-truth-police-no-windows-phone-and-nokia-lumia-are-not-outselling-iphone-in-china-utter-bs-sto.html

Sorry to crash your party

[Dr@g0nic]

It would help if the bloody service providers in South Africa would keep the phone. Had a friend who wanted a Lumia 800 but was with MTN and they could not say if they would get it. She waited three months after her upgrade was due and they still were unsure.

That's why I'm with voda :D

[MrGKruger]

http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/05/paging-truth-police-no-windows-phone-and-nokia-lumia-are-not-outselling-iphone-in-china-utter-bs-sto.html

Sorry to crash your party

You don't really look sorry

[snugglez64]

WP7 is a FAIL.

101 Reasons Not to Buy A Windows Phone 7.5 (http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=392163)

[Mouse]

They even failed at lying about the stats :wtf:

[dualmeister]

OK I have to admit, I was playing with a friends Nokia Lumia 900 on the weekend and it wasn't the worst phone that I have seen. It had some nice features. However, I still wouldn't get one.

[Park@82]

OK I have to admit, I was playing with a friends Nokia Lumia 900 on the weekend and it wasn't the worst phone that I have seen. It had some nice features. However, I still wouldn't get one.

I think WP7 is a great effort and would be more than sufficient for the average user.

[snugglez64]

OK I have to admit, I was playing with a friends Nokia Lumia 900 on the weekend and it wasn't the worst phone that I have seen. It had some nice features. However, I still wouldn't get one.

Care to elaborate on those features?
The ones that were nice.

[dualmeister]

Only played with it for 5 minutes. Build quality is very good. Nokia maps is nice. Had some app that keeps you up to date with flight times and even which gate you going to board at ect. 720p video looked good. Interface very responsive. The message integration. It allows you to seamlessly carry on a conversation with someone depending one how they are connect to the network whether it be sms, Facebook, email ect. OS was Windows Mobile 7.5

[abandonallhope]

Nice. I as of yet have to see someone buy one of these phones. No one in my town seems to have one yet. hehe.

Wow you know everybody in your town ? Where do you live ?

[roguemat]

Wow you know everybody in your town ? Where do you live ?
I lol'ed :P

@dualmeister, no, it was Windows Phone 7.5 :)

[dualmeister]

LOL my bad :D

Exact phone Nokia Lumia 900 AT&T (http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_900_at&t-4275.php)

[AJKock]

There will always be hatters, the same people that laughed at the XBOX when it entered the market. Look at it now.
Windows Phones are not selling well, because our local providers are barely pushing it and the sales geeks love Android; so many complaints about people asking for Windows Phones only to be told by sales people to take a Android phone.

When Windows 8 launches and people get used to the interface on the tablets/PCs, they will look with new eyes on the next gen Windows 8 Phones.

[Ivanr]

There will always be hatters, the same people that laughed at the XBOX when it entered the market. Look at it now.
Windows Phones are not selling well, because our local providers are barely pushing it and the sales geeks love Android; so many complaints about people asking for Windows Phones only to be told by sales people to take a Android phone.

When Windows 8 launches and people get used to the interface on the tablets/PCs, they will look with new eyes on the next gen Windows 8 Phones.
well said I agree

[ClintX]

There will always be hatters, the same people that laughed at the XBOX when it entered the market. Look at it now.
Windows Phones are not selling well, because our local providers are barely pushing it and the sales geeks love Android; so many complaints about people asking for Windows Phones only to be told by sales people to take a Android phone.

When Windows 8 launches and people get used to the interface on the tablets/PCs, they will look with new eyes on the next gen Windows 8 Phones.

Never mind not pushing it, they are full out attempting not to sell it! I have repeated the story often but a friend wanted the Lumia 800 but MTN kept telling her it was not yet available and she should get an iPhone. She waited... and waited... and waited... and eventually gave up and got the iPhone. She really wanted the Lumia 800 but MTN was not playing along.

The SPs need to get a kick up their asses! They have reached a point where they feel they can tell the consumer what they want, and unfortunately many accept this.

[eshwar]

There will always be hatters, the same people that laughed at the XBOX when it entered the market. Look at it now.
Windows Phones are not selling well, because our local providers are barely pushing it and the sales geeks love Android; so many complaints about people asking for Windows Phones only to be told by sales people to take a Android phone.

When Windows 8 launches and people get used to the interface on the tablets/PCs, they will look with new eyes on the next gen Windows 8 Phones.

You're right. In addition I think the blame lies with Nokia South Africa as well. The pricing of the handsets. They price them like high end androids when to be honest they are not that much phone. financially they are a bad decision to make.

[Elimentals]

You're right. In addition I think the blame lies with Nokia South Africa as well. The pricing of the handsets. They price them like high end androids when to be honest they are not that much phone. financially they are a bad decision to make.

I speak under correction but I think the price is related to the phone being mostly manufactured in Europe and not Asia as in other phones.

This will sure change as I saw an article (Think last month) that Nokia was in the process of relocating factories to Asia as well.

[roguemat]

I speak under correction but I think the price is related to the phone being mostly manufactured in Europe and not Asia as in other phones.

This will sure change as I saw an article (Think last month) that Nokia was in the process of relocating factories to Asia as well.
Strange that they would not have done that ages ago? It's not like they entered the cell game yesterday. Well, let's hope they get cheaper :)

[Elimentals]

Strange that they would not have done that ages ago? It's not like they entered the cell game yesterday. Well, let's hope they get cheaper :)

Yeah well I have a feeling it has something to do with quality or who know's we will soon find out.

As for the article I saw re factories moving see http://www.cio.com/article/699854/Shakeup_At_Nokia_it_s_Laying_Off_4_000_Moving_Work _to_Asia

[Nduimiso]

I speak under correction but I think the price is related to the phone being mostly manufactured in Europe and not Asia as in other phones.

This will sure change as I saw an article (Think last month) that Nokia was in the process of relocating factories to Asia as well.
It's more because they have to use different suppliers because of MS's stupid hardware restrictions, they can't get the bulk discounts they get from their own suppliers.

[roguemat]

It's more because they have to use different suppliers because of MS's stupid hardware restrictions, they can't get the bulk discounts they get from their own suppliers.

what you call 'stupid' is the only reason why every single Windows Phone can provide a silky smooth experience.

[Nduimiso]

what you call 'stupid' is the only reason why every single Windows Phone can provide a silky smooth experience.
Probably also one of the main reasons why no one buys them, but of course for that there are many.

[roguemat]

Probably also one of the main reasons why no one buys them, but of course for that there are many.
Sorry, this makes no sense.
So your thinking is: "Microsoft makes every single WP7 have a minimum spec which means I can know exactly what performance I can expect, so I refuse to buy one".
And if you are talking about money, then the Lumia 610 and upcoming lower end devices will be fine for you...

I would face palm, but would get head trauma.

[Nduimiso]

Sorry, this makes no sense.
So your thinking is: "Microsoft makes every single WP7 have a minimum spec which means I can know exactly what performance I can expect, so I refuse to buy one".
And if you are talking about money, then the Lumia 610 and upcoming lower end devices will be fine for you...

I would face palm, but would get head trauma.
Top range specs create hype and sales, just ask samsung or HTC. Nothing wrong with a minimum spec, but having a max spec is utterly retarded, especially when its so restricted. Why do you think all the WP efforts by the manufacturers (exception maybe nokia) have been half assed and run of the mill. Because of MS's stupid restrictions.

[MrGKruger]

Top range specs create hype and sales, just ask samsung or HTC. Nothing wrong with a minimum spec, but having a max spec is utterly retarded, especially when its so restricted. Why do you think all the WP efforts by the manufacturers (exception maybe nokia) have been half assed and run of the mill. Because of MS's stupid restrictions.

Max specs? Please elaborate.

Update: The sarcastic tone got lost between posting and reading ;)

[Mouse]

Max specs? Please elaborate.

I thought MS only defined a MINIMUM SPEC to get the OS to run?

[roguemat]

I thought MS only defined a MINIMUM SPEC to get the OS to run?
Yeah, so did Microsoft.

Minimum Windows Phone device requirements
-Capacitive, 4-point multi-touch screen with WVGA (480x800) resolution[citation needed]
-ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" – Snapdragon QSD8X50, MSM7X30, and MSM8X55
-DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
-256MB of RAM with at least 4GB of Flash memory
-Accelerometer, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
-FM radio tuner
-Six (6) dedicated hardware buttons – back, Start, search, 2-stage camera, power/sleep and volume buttons
-Optional hardware: Front-facing camera, compass and gyroscope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone

[Elimentals]

There is max specs as well see, well you can include higher but the OS will not be able to use it.

See for example HTC Titan's camera that is not fully supported.

[roguemat]

There is max specs as well see, well you can include higher but the OS will not be able to use it.

See for example HTC Titan's camera that is not fully supported.

Well, for general use of the phone, putting a quad core CPU will do nothing but kill battery. So even if the OS could use it, it wouldn't. So basically, MS was hoping that people weren't so concerned with comparing theoretical penis size.

[Elimentals]

Well, for general use of the phone, putting a quad core CPU will do nothing but kill battery. So even if the OS could use it, it wouldn't. So basically, MS was hoping that people weren't so concerned with comparing theoretical penis size.

I'll agree with you when it comes down to the general UI then yes quad cores might just be a waste of CPU and battery life, but when you start pusing it in say games and running full desktop OS's (http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android) on your mobile its more than just a e penis contest.

See for Example
Shadowgun THX for Android http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmvJxbHWZSU
or
Infinion blade 2 for IOS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4vTqozhDWo

And yes I know its not everyone that goes for this type of thing.

[MattyW]

And it's not just about quad core processors it's also high res screens, better camera's, more RAM exct. as I understand it all these are standardized by microsoft most of these will have a negligible impact on battery but would have made users jump ship to the platform far more readily, at the moment all the windows phones are dull with almost nothing standing out that would make me want to switch to another OS.

[Nduimiso]

And it's not just about quad core processors it's also high res screens, better camera's, more RAM exct. as I understand it all these are standardized by microsoft most of these will have a negligible impact on battery but would have made users jump ship to the platform far more readily, at the moment all the windows phones are dull with almost nothing standing out that would make me want to switch to another OS.
Exactly, for example the background app limit is 5, if you run more than 5 the oldest one gets booted, if they allowed extra ram then they wouldn't have such a problem

[Mouse]

Yeah, so did Microsoft.

Minimum Windows Phone device requirements
-Capacitive, 4-point multi-touch screen with WVGA (480x800) resolution[citation needed]
-ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" – Snapdragon QSD8X50, MSM7X30, and MSM8X55
-DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
-256MB of RAM with at least 4GB of Flash memory
-Accelerometer, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
-FM radio tuner
-Six (6) dedicated hardware buttons – back, Start, search, 2-stage camera, power/sleep and volume buttons
-Optional hardware: Front-facing camera, compass and gyroscope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone

It's like they are actively trying to fail :wtf:

[roguemat]

It's like they are actively trying to fail :wtf:explain?

[Mouse]

explain?

Imagine you are developing and selling some OS and/or device to run it.
You know from development of that OS, and many more before it, that it takes a long time to make.
You then go on to define minimum hardware specs to run that OS. No problem there.
You then go on to define MAXIMUM HARDWARE SPECS so that anyone that wants to use your OS is stuck at that maximum while the competition can go ahead and use whatever they want, and you must now wait while making the next version of that OS so that you and your hardware partners can compete.

The comments for that article regarding new WP7 Nokias coming out in SA hints at this. A lot of people saying hardware isn't good enough relative to the competition, and even worse; they still want to charge high prices for it.
WTF were they thinking?? :wtf:

[roguemat]

Imagine you are developing and selling some OS and/or device to run it.
You know from development of that OS, and many more before it, that it takes a long time to make.
You then go on to define minimum hardware specs to run that OS. No problem there.
You then go on to define MAXIMUM HARDWARE SPECS so that anyone that wants to use your OS is stuck at that maximum while the competition can go ahead and use whatever they want, and you must now wait while making the next version of that OS so that you and your hardware partners can compete.

The comments for that article regarding new WP7 Nokias coming out in SA hints at this. A lot of people saying hardware isn't good enough relative to the competition, and even worse; they still want to charge high prices for it.
WTF were they thinking?? :wtf:

And yet, as we have discussed there are no maximum requirements, plus, the entire OS is absolutely smooth on even the minimum specs.
The only problem here is the pricing. And yes, it's very confusing that they are priced as high as very high end phones. Although it really looks like it is just our SP's. Internationally WP7's are cheap.

[Elimentals]

And yet, as we have discussed there are no maximum requirements, plus, the entire OS is absolutely smooth on even the minimum specs.
The only problem here is the pricing. And yes, it's very confusing that they are priced as high as very high end phones. Although it really looks like it is just our SP's. Internationally WP7's are cheap.

I dont really wanna get into this but the OS = smooth is not the only reason for CPU and other upgrades.

Games come to mind, for example Infinion Blade 2 or Shadowgun thx. No way in hell those 2 will run on current Windows Phones.

And yes I can play for example shadowgun on my 720x1280 Xperia S with no lag, hell I can even plug my phone into my TV using HDMI and play it at 1920x1080

[roguemat]

I dont really wanna get into this but the OS = smooth is not the only reason for CPU and other upgrades.

Games come to mind, for example Infinion Blade 2 or Shadowgun thx. No way in hell those 2 will run on current Windows Phones.

And yes I can play for example shadowgun on my 720x1280 Xperia S with no lag, hell I can even plug my phone into my TV using HDMI and play it at 1920x1080

Fair point, but you are forgetting something important...The only games (generally) that need more power than these phones have are studio games, or atleast devs who have had experience on other platforms. These are not people who are making quick games for fun - they are people who need to make money from their hard work. Those same people will not be developing for a platform in its infancy.
So Microsoft may not support fancy hardware, and this may piss off some users, and less devs, but on the positive side, they got the OS to market faster plus made sure that fragmentation wasn't there from the get-go.

EDIT:
It's all about economics. Just like this whole WP8 story. OK, so lets theoretically say that every WP7 prior to gen2 devices with a certain spec (like a 1.4GHz CPU) can't get upgraded to WP8. OK, you will have a few pissed off users, but in the long-term game, there really is no point in wasting money trying to support older phones, when you can easily cut losses early while only a small number will be effected. It would have been a different story if WP had gained even 5% of the market.

(I presume you will bring up Skype and the 610 as fragmentation. I guess it partially is, except it can be sideloaded and runs fine - no idea why they limited it)