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Angelo
12-05-2006, 01:14 PM
Judge humiliated me, says angry Zuma accuser (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060512120701330C439222)
Judge humiliated me, says angry Zuma accuser
What about the humiliation she caused an innocent man with her malicious and pre-meditated accusation? Who should be angry here?
JStrike
12-05-2006, 02:00 PM
He gave them both a tounge lashing. Zuma managed to take it with some dignity and apologise.
AntiThesis
12-05-2006, 02:06 PM
There are quite a few arguments and sides with this issue... Some people feel that she was unnecesarily humiliated while Zuma was pretty much left with his integrity unquestioned. If you think of the effects of this trial as well, the woman is forced to flee into exile (or very likely be killed) while Zuma has just as good a shot at becoming president as he always did.
Angelo
12-05-2006, 02:30 PM
He gave them both a tounge lashing. Zuma managed to take it with some dignity and apologise.
Yes he showed great humility which is rare of leaders and that won him a lot of new support from neutral observers.
Angelo
12-05-2006, 02:32 PM
There are quite a few arguments and sides with this issue... Some people feel that she was unnecesarily humiliated while Zuma was pretty much left with his integrity unquestioned. If you think of the effects of this trial as well, the woman is forced to flee into exile (or very likely be killed) while Zuma has just as good a shot at becoming president as he always did.
Yes unfortunately the woman might have been used to further certain interests but at the end of the day she had the choice of not playing along.
AntiThesis
12-05-2006, 02:42 PM
This is true :)
However, we still don't really know whether Zuma raped the lady or not. All the judgement (and the judge even said so) showed was that there was simply not enough of a case (or evidence) to support a Guilty verdict.
Kinda a case of "boy who cried wolf".
Personally, I thought the judge was very good at handling a very, very tough situation and came off with flying colours. Well, except for the weird bit of poetry ^_^
Angelo
12-05-2006, 03:08 PM
This is true :)
However, we still don't really know whether Zuma raped the lady or not. All the judgement (and the judge even said so) showed was that there was simply not enough of a case (or evidence) to support a Guilty verdict.
Kinda a case of "boy who cried wolf".
Personally, I thought the judge was very good at handling a very, very tough situation and came off with flying colours. Well, except for the weird bit of poetry ^_^
But you still don't believe the judgement.:confused:
icyrus
12-05-2006, 03:15 PM
But you still don't believe the judgement.:confused:
Wasn't the judgement that there was not enough solid evidence to convict?
stoke
12-05-2006, 03:22 PM
This whole thing is supposed to be private.
It was ethically wrong to make a spectical of it to begin with.
This whole thing is supposed to be private.
When the accused is (was) likely to be the next President of this country, an excellent argument could be made for this being in the public interest
It was ethically wrong to make a spectical of it to begin with.
Agreed, but when the accused is someone of the likes of Jacob Zuma the media are going to have a field day. Even if a gag were put on the press in this country, SA courts do not have the power to silence the news sites on the Internet.
Angelo
12-05-2006, 03:53 PM
Wasn't the judgement that there was not enough solid evidence to convict?
The judgement was "not guilty".
icyrus
12-05-2006, 04:08 PM
The judgement was "not guilty".
Its a bit more complicated than that.
Angelo
12-05-2006, 04:12 PM
Its a bit more complicated than that.
Well as much as you would like to dwell on the matter the case is closed and
the accuser is not appealing.
Highflyer_GP
12-05-2006, 04:13 PM
I'm now officially ignoring any thread that has anything to do with (insert political party here), Zuma, Farms. This is getting really stale, really fast
kilo39
12-05-2006, 04:28 PM
Well as much as you would like to dwell on the matter the case is closed and the accuser is not appealing. So why are you posting the threads then??! And the other one (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=43311)!!
Yes he showed great humility which is rare of leaders and that won him a lot of new support from neutral observers = Why not show humility from the beginning - Pig - who does he think he is? = Don't make assumptions based on your own biased opinion = SA's world credibility just sunk 100+ points = A great day for SA
JStrike
12-05-2006, 04:31 PM
Angelo : He was pronounced "not guilty", not "innocent". Their is a subtle, but important difference. Whilst noone can go around saying he is a rapist anymore, the question does still hang that they might not have prosocuted the case as well as they should have.
Angelo : He was pronounced "not guilty", not "innocent". Their is a subtle, but important difference. Whilst noone can go around saying he is a rapist anymore, the question does still hang that they might not have prosocuted the case as well as they should have.
NOONE?Slip up hey?:D :D :D
Angelo
12-05-2006, 05:30 PM
Angelo : He was pronounced "not guilty", not "innocent". Their is a subtle, but important difference. Whilst noone can go around saying he is a rapist anymore, the question does still hang that they might not have prosocuted the case as well as they should have.
I get your point but officially he's been vindicated by an independent judge, the hanging question can still be pursued by those who want to though.
Angelo
12-05-2006, 05:34 PM
So why are you posting the threads then??! And the other one (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=43311)!!
If you carefully look at my threads without bias then you'll realise that I'm now talking about Zuma's POST-judgement situation (crucial for the country's future direction) and not debating whether he's "guilty", "not guilty" or "not innocent", that has already been dealt with by people more qualified for the job than us.
kingmonty
12-05-2006, 05:36 PM
Cool. So we can let this thread die now too? Good.
craigsa
12-05-2006, 06:02 PM
:d
nocilah
13-05-2006, 12:17 AM
either way... zuma has failed to impress any intelligent person... but then his fame is only made up of unedcuated youth.
Zuma a leader? Perhaps in African standards.
but then his fame is only made up of unedcuated youth.
Hrrrmmmm ... there are a lot of extremely aged youths out there, not to mention the 40+ Club otherwise known as the ANCYL.
ettubrute
13-05-2006, 12:34 AM
40+? :rolleyes: So when do these peeps from the ANCYL grow up and loose the "youth" status?
40+? :rolleyes: So when do these peeps from the ANCYL grow up and loose the "youth" status?
'bout the same time the apply for a pension :D