Why do Stormers fans always boo?

[Zewp]

It's something that bothers me endlessly. It shows a clear lack of class when a team's supporter boo's another team just for the sake of it, but it seems boo'ing is in the blood for stormers supporters.

I've been to Newlands on three occasions, and every time the western cape people boo's the other team. I will never go there again, as I don't want to be around immature people like that. I can understand ribbing the other team a bit, but boo'ing them throughout the game? Go back to primary school.

[Spizz]

It's something that bothers me endlessly. It shows a clear lack of class when a team's supporter boo's another team just for the sake of it, but it seems boo'ing is in the blood for stormers supporters.

I've been to Newlands on three occasions, and every time the western cape people boo's the other team. I will never go there again, as I don't want to be around immature people like that. I can understand ribbing the other team a bit, but boo'ing them throughout the game? Go back to primary school.

I'm a Stormers fan and it bugs the bejeezus out of me as well. But it only takes a small number to sound loud so please don't tar us all with the same brush.

[undesign]

It's something that bothers me endlessly. It shows a clear lack of class when a team's supporter boo's another team just for the sake of it, but it seems boo'ing is in the blood for stormers supporters.

I've been to Newlands on three occasions, and every time the western cape people boo's the other team. I will never go there again, as I don't want to be around immature people like that. I can understand ribbing the other team a bit, but boo'ing them throughout the game? Go back to primary school.


I'm a Stormers fan and it bugs the bejeezus out of me as well. But it only takes a small number to sound loud so please don't tar us all with the same brush.

+1

[werny]

I'm a Stormers fan and it bugs the bejeezus out of me as well. But it only takes a small number to sound loud so please don't tar us all with the same brush.

Agree with you one that one, i'm also a stormers supporter and I never boo. You will just show others that you never learned any manners when you grew up.

[sjpslabbert]

Unfortunately it is not only the Stormers (of which I am also a fan), but rather a growing tendency under South African supporters. I do agree that it appears as if the Stormers fans do make themselves guilty of this more frequently, but it is not only the Stormers that do this. Quite sad, actually.

[blaaislaai]

I have noticed it mostly with the bull supporters, but they have been bekstil the last couple of games..

[alternate]

Its part of the faking game you twit.stay away from the stadium if you can't take it.

^^ This is the mentality you are dealing with.

[Kosmik]

Its part of the faking game you twit.stay away from the stadium if you can't take it.

Actually no it's not. It shows bad sportmanship and as has been said, no class. It's one thing for a crowd to grumble and moan about a refs "bad" decision or someone throwing a punch but booing just make the supporter, his fellows and their team look like a bunch of a$$es.

[Krypt0n1te]

+1

+2

[biometrics]

I don't see the problem.

[abzo]

Seriously? It's rugby not golf. What do you expect?

[undesign]

Seriously? It's rugby not golf. What do you expect?

Seriously? It's rugby, not soccer.

:-)

[Zewp]

Its part of the faking game you twit.stay away from the stadium if you can't take it.

You're probably the kind who goes to the bar with his charnas and revs his car out front to attract belters and hear other baboons tell you how you're klapping it.


Seriously? It's rugby not golf. What do you expect?

A bit more maturity than the average 15 year old displays.

I'm all for things being 'part of the game' or a tradition, but boo'ing is neither. It's a bunch of low-lives not knowing how to conduct themselves properly in a sports' stadium. What are they boo'ing for anyway? The fact that the other team is playing well? Is that now something despicable?

[Mephisto_Helix]

Graal - 1
Booing supporter types in thread - 0

[abzo]

Funny enough I saw a segment about this kind of thing on Supersport on Friday, the "home ground advantage" . This is all a part of it. Research has shown that booing, cheering etc subconsciously affect the referee to favour the home team. Also affects the morale of the teams. Boost your team, drain the opponent.


http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/06/home-ground-advantage-in-super-rugby.html




Factors influencing home-ground advantage

This is a somewhat simplified summary of what we know, but generally, there are four factors influencing home ground advantage:

1. Travel fatigue for visiting teams 2. Familiarity with the city, the facilities, the playing arena 3. Crowd factors, which can be further broken down into: 1. How the crowd influence the players 2. How the crowd influence the referee/officials

As mentioned, I'll tackle travel tomorrow, when I talk about Super Rugby, so let's look at the others, in reverse order.

The crowd influence on officials - a subconscious bias

Starting with the referees (a favorite of sports fans everywhere!), there is a real perception, true or not, that visiting teams are often ‘robbed’ by referee decisions. It turns out this is not a perception without some merit. Studies have found, for example, that visiting teams in ice-hockey and basketball concede more penalties and have more players sent off for foul play than the home team.

It's also been found that the discrepancy in penalties awarded to visiting and home teams increases as the crowd increases in size. And that when two London teams play football against each other, thus reducing the "unevenness" of crowd support, the discrepancy is reduced, suggesting that this may be the influence of the crowd on the referee. Even the most neutral and professional referee, with no intention of cheating can be swayed by the cheers or boos of a crowd.

For example, one study had football referees make judgments based on video footage of obvious foul play, but some refs watched without sound, while others watched with full sound, including crowd reactions to fouls. It turns out that with the sound, the referee is more likely to be swayed towards what the crowd is calling for - fewer free-kicks to away teams, more to home teams, no foul when the home team is guilty. This is summarized in the figure below. And this is just on a TV screen, away from the cauldron of pressure of real-time action, where the crowd may have even more influence.

Further supporting this idea is that in the Olympic Games, the host country often wins significantly more medals, but most of them come in the subjectively scored events (ice-skating, gymnastics etc). Given the football referee study, it's not difficult to see how a rapturous cheering crowd might be worth half a point here and there to a judge, despite their best efforts to block out crowd factors!

I must point out that there is other possible reasons why visiting teams are penalized more. One is that the "hostile environment" of the away arena produces a “victim” or “us against the world” attitude that sees visiting teams play more aggressively than they would otherwise. This has in fact been documented for visiting teams, and, on occasion, for home teams, depending on the context of the match and the crowd behavior.

Also, the home team is often more aggressive and dominates play (defending their territory, perhaps), forcing the opposition to concede penalties as a result of applied pressure. One analysis of decisions in the NHL found no difference in mistakes between home and away teams, suggesting that the penalty discrepancy may be justified (I am not quite sure how to reconcile that with the football study above, where the refs were making different judgments of fouls simply because of sound...)

Crowd influence on players - motivation, desire and anxiety

Harder to measure, but possibly as significant, is the effect of crowd support on player motivation and effort. Certainly, sport is filled with testimonies of players who find "something extra", who raise their level because they're at home. I guess one needs to be careful about taking a collection of testimonies and saying they are evidence (the plural of anecdote is not evidence!), especially because linking these factors to performance is very difficult.

But there's no question that "psychology" (an incredibly broad term) plays a role in sports performance. But the sword may cut both ways when it comes to home-ground advantage. A visiting team, with the odds against them, may well perform better than at home because of the desire to silence the crowd, and because of the added prestige of beating a team in their own country - I've experienced this with the SA Sevens side.

On the other hand, the effect of the crowd and the momentum they may give to players (who, for all the talk of "zoning the crowd out" must surely be aware of it) may be decisive - I have also experienced this with the Sevens team. If you were to define a set of psychological requirements for success, you'd almost certainly put "confidence", "self-belief" and "high level of motivation" on the list, and in theory, that's what being at home brings.

To throw a curveball at that oversimplification of the theory, there was a fascinating opportunistic study a few years ago when a college basketball team had to play 11 of their matches behind closed doors because of a measles outbreak that forced the school to be quarantined. It turned out that the team played better WITHOUT fans! Their stats were up - more points, more free-throws and better shooting percentages. Of course, 11 matches is a small sample when you consider how many factors might influence each performance outcome, but it does suggest that perhaps, fans influence players negatively, through increased anxiety. Maybe the other team is just more anxious, and plays relatively worse!

Wtf am I doing in the rugby section :eek: :p

[ChrisGeo]

Dem Blue Trolls

[ajules]

Couldn't agree more that it shows a distinct lack of class but unfortunately this is a world wide trend

[marine1]

Its part of the faking game you twit.stay away from the stadium if you can't take it.

^^ This is the mentality you are dealing with.
agreed

[KOPITE]

It most definitely isn't part of the game. It demonstrates unsportsman like behaviour. And like OP said, it shows a lack of class.

booing has always been there in the past. i don't know why you wana change things now or make a issue about it. as i said earlier, if you cannot take it, stay the fak away from the stands

[McT]

Really classy :rolleyes:

[Ekstasis]

I don't boo either, but it doesn't bother me when fans do it in local derbies. Internationals is another story - It irritates me very much because I don't want the other country to see how kommin South Africans can be.

OP, have you ever been at Loftus? Booing is much worse there. I would relax about this, like KOPITE said, it's been there for a long time.
Also fans don't have to show good sportsmanship, that's the players job.

[Ekstasis]

/this reminds me of Stellenbosch "koshuis rugby" - way way way worse hahahaha!!

[Nerfherder]

All SA teams boo... its disgusting.

[InternetSwag]

I'm a Stormers supporter, I don't boo. I've never seen a game live though.

The worst I do is laugh my ass off when a players makes a *** decision. Like that Rebels pass to no one against the Lions game. I laughed cause they ****ed up.

But I don't boo and I laugh at everyones mistakes. Then again since I'm watching the game at home and they can't actually hear me I can say whatever I want.

I would not publicly boo our South African stars though.

THAT PISSES ME OFF. When the Newlands crowd cheer for Morne Steyn when he is wearing green but boo him when he's wearing Blue. That just is double standards.

But other than that, grab a group of friends, get some beer, get some snacks. Kick up your feet and just watch the ****in game. It's meant for relaxation, not ****ing threads on internet forums.

[Zewp]

But other than that, grab a group of friends, get some beer, get some snacks. Kick up your feet and just watch the ****in game. It's meant for relaxation, not ****ing threads on internet forums.

Okay Ghandi.

I wasn't aware that internet forums placed here for discussions isn't the right place for us to have discussions.

[DJ...]

Because Stomers fans are so accustomed to losing, so it comes as second nature to them? Dunno, I'm just spitballing here...

[Kosmik]

I love my season tickets but the teams supporters that boo the most are definately stormers and bulls. Cheetahs, lions, those are all good sports and great to sit with in the stands. A little competitiveness is great in the stands.

[elysian]

Yeah, I'm a Stormers supporter too and hate the booing.

I was at the JWC final and some people started booing, however everybody around me were shouting things like "come on, stop booing", "that's not right", etc which definitely added to the din - possibly even making the booing appear worse.

We were really embarrassed - however, watching games on tv since then, the other grounds do it too. SA vs Eng at PE comes to mind - they booed everybody didn't they? ;)

But having said all that, I guess I'd take passionate supporters over apathetic ones any day. :p

[MickeyD]

We were really embarrassed - however, watching games on tv since then, the other grounds do it too. SA vs Eng at PE comes to mind - they booed everybody didn't they? ;)
Those were the out-of-towners.... no bloody manners! :p

[elysian]

Those were the out-of-towners.... no bloody manners! :p

Aha thought so! The friendly city people wouldn't do that. ;)

[Zewp]

Just a note, I live in the WC and am a Stormers supporter myself. I've just found that boo'ing is a lot more common where Stormers fans are involved.

Last night during the Stormers game I could actually hear the booing on the TV from the Stormers fans when the opposition got a penalty kick.

And to whoever said good sportmanship must only come from the team, not the supporters, you're really deluded. Supporters are just as important, if not more so, as the team itself. Without supporters there wouldn't be rugby to watch.

[Gunner182]

Cape slang on/ Wan ini Kaap doen os dit so :p /Cape Slang off

Besides have you ever heard of classy Rugby? Everybody does it from the Poms to the Aussies.

[Kosmik]

Besides have you ever heard of classy Rugby?

Obviously not in the Western Cape.

[Gunner182]

Obviously not in the Western Cape.

Whenever has Rugby been described as a classy sport? Players m##ring each other on the field doesn't sound classy at all. You probably a Bulls fan, coz we all know Die Bulle kan niks verkeerd doen nie.

When I think of classy sport only Bowls (or Lawn Bowls) come to mind.

[Zewp]

Lol, true. I'll do a joyous dance the day an entire rugby match goes by without some players trying to moer each other.

[Kosmik]

Whenever has Rugby been described as a classy sport? Players m##ring each other on the field doesn't sound classy at all. You probably a Bulls fan, coz we all know Die Bulle kan niks verkeerd doen nie.

When I think of classy sport only Bowls (or Lawn Bowls) come to mind.

I'm not the fan arguing for non-sportsman conduct.

[Albereth]

It's something that bothers me endlessly. It shows a clear lack of class when a team's supporter boo's another team just for the sake of it, but it seems boo'ing is in the blood for stormers supporters.

I've been to Newlands on three occasions, and every time the western cape people boo's the other team. I will never go there again, as I don't want to be around immature people like that. I can understand ribbing the other team a bit, but boo'ing them throughout the game? Go back to primary school.

It's the longest word they know.

[abandonallhope]

Booing happens in soccer too and it most assuredly is NOT a problem unique to or significantly worse with the stormers.

[Jab]

I wouldn't want to call it a genetic based lack of class from Stormer supporters. But it is. As proven by science. Fact.

[Ekstasis]

Stormers fans boo in the hope that Gautengers will find us commin and not relocate here ...it's all a front from us Bootonians

[DJ...]

Well stop wasting your breath. We thought you were common to begin with...:p

[Ekstasis]

Well stop wasting your breath. We thought you were common to begin with...:pTa! see, it's working :D

[Devill]

Seriously? It's rugby not golf. What do you expect?

Rugby is a thugs game played by gentlemen.


You're probably the kind who goes to the bar with his charnas and revs his car out front to attract belters and hear other baboons tell you how you're klapping it.


I had a good laugh at this as I think you are spot on.


booing has always been there in the past. i don't know why you wana change things now or make a issue about it. as i said earlier, if you cannot take it, stay the fak away from the stands

Booing has always been part of the game if you are a Charna / brutjie / tang. But you do seem to feel comfortable in that role so as long as you enjoy it, good for you :)



OP, have you ever been at Loftus? Booing is much worse there. I would relax about this, like KOPITE said, it's been there for a long time.
Also fans don't have to show good sportsmanship, that's the players job.

Are the fans not part of the game? Also te booing is worse at Newlands but I agree with an above poster that it is from a smaller part of the crowd.

[abandonallhope]

Are the fans not part of the game? Also te booing is worse at Newlands but I agree with an above poster that it is from a smaller part of the crowd.

No. You think it is worse in newlands, another guy thinks it is worse in the sharktank, Bloemfontein is always empty and loftus is basically just for picnics as of late. In Ellis park everybody is too busy hoping the home team loses by less than 49 points to bother with booing.

Everybody is still just pissed off that the stormers are doing the best out of all the SA teams despite their soul numbingly boring games. So now apparently the stormers fans are the loudest boo-ers, while everybody is forgetting that the bulls fans are the biggest scumbags in super rugby.

[Devill]

No. You think it is worse in newlands, another guy thinks it is worse in the sharktank, Bloemfontein is always empty and loftus is basically just for picnics as of late. In Ellis park everybody is too busy hoping the home team loses by less than 49 points to bother with booing.

Everybody is still just pissed off that the stormers are doing the best out of all the SA teams despite their soul numbingly boring games. So now apparently the stormers fans are the loudest boo-ers, while everybody is forgetting that the bulls fans are the biggest scumbags in super rugby.

Over the last two seasons I have watched about 5 games on both Loftus and Newlands. It is worse at Newlands. At loftus the booing was right up there with Newlands but the crowd was asked to stop booing and since the start of the season there was a very markable drop in booing.

As for the Bulls being the biggest scumbags, well done sir, you should read your own post and apply :)

[KOPITE]

Over the last two seasons I have watched about 5 games on both Loftus and Newlands. It is worse at Newlands. At loftus the booing was right up there with Newlands but the crowd was asked to stop booing and since the start of the season there was a very markable drop in booing.

As for the Bulls being the biggest scumbags, well done sir, you should read your own post and apply :)

Bulls don't have any talent up in pretoria, they just import their team from the cape and put on a blue jersey and call themselves a bull. what happened to the talent up north. did Naas Botha stop reproducing laaities

[DJ...]

Bulls don't have any talent up in pretoria, they just import their team from the cape and put on a blue jersey and call themselves a bull. what happened to the talent up north. did Naas Botha stop reproducing laaities

No, Steve Hofmeyer eventually stopped breeding...

[Devill]

Bulls don't have any talent up in pretoria, they just import their team from the cape and put on a blue jersey and call themselves a bull. what happened to the talent up north. did Naas Botha stop reproducing laaities

For incase you missed it it is called the Professional era. Then again why not start a thread on this as this is really OT but with an attention span like yours I am just surprised you can finish a post.

How many players were born and bred in the WC in the Stormers line up? How many Sharks in KZN?

And who needs talent when you have money?

Stevie I know this is hard for you to get your head around but maybe before you post take a second and think about what you are going to post :)

[modern10]

OP

Watching the sharks match now and I here Boo's from the crowd. So tell me again why you single out the stormers.

I do smell a bit of jealousy

[Devill]

I noticed that when Jantjies was aiming at the posts there was no booing as far as I could hear.

[NCalvo]

For incase you missed it it is called the Professional era. Then again why not start a thread on this as this is really OT but with an attention span like yours I am just surprised you can finish a post.

How many players were born and bred in the WC in the Stormers line up? How many Sharks in KZN?

And who needs talent when you have money?

Stevie I know this is hard for you to get your head around but maybe before you post take a second and think about what you are going to post :)

He does have a point but he stated it wrong. Bulls have all the money in SA rugby. No one can compete with them. Good for them but I please ask you to take of your Bulls glasses and put on your SA rugby view ones. Stock piling guys around the same age 5 6 per position is not only wasting these guys development with limited game time its keeping the player pool uneven. We can't really disagree with NZ when they say NZ conference are the strongest as they make sure the pool is spread even and all 5 franchises are competitive. You do not see them around forums moaning about poaching or throwing banter around to who was born where and grew up where. No they compliment each others teams as they know how its structure and all 5 teams are competitive. Unfortunatetly in South Africa we are too hung up on provincialism than to see the bigger picture. Its also a shame to see that one of the great things of South Africa rugby is not what it was and is dying. That is the great Bulls forward pack and scrum we use to know.

They been so busy stockpiling the backline tallent that they forgot that you need a good pack to feed them. Poor Steyn gets flogged left and right but he is starting to play against a losing pack. What 10 does well behind a losing pack. Will Carter shine behind one? We will never know because he never played behind one.

If you buy the best no problem but give them play time at least or loan some out. We do not want to see our promising youngsters end up in a England shirt because the Bulls let them fell thru the cracks

[Kosmik]

Bulls have all the money in SA rugby. No one can compete with them.

Fat lot of good it did them yesterday :D

[NCalvo]

Fat lot of good it did them yesterday :D

I am a Stormers supporter but I am really disappointed and shocked how their forwards got a hiding. No wonder Carter looked so good and poor Morne look if he is lost. He got ball with a pack going backwards what is the poor guy suppose to do but struggle.

[KOPITE]

He does have a point but he stated it wrong. Bulls have all the money in SA rugby. No one can compete with them. Good for them but I please ask you to take of your Bulls glasses and put on your SA rugby view ones. Stock piling guys around the same age 5 6 per position is not only wasting these guys development with limited game time its keeping the player pool uneven. We can't really disagree with NZ when they say NZ conference are the strongest as they make sure the pool is spread even and all 5 franchises are competitive. You do not see them around forums moaning about poaching or throwing banter around to who was born where and grew up where. No they compliment each others teams as they know how its structure and all 5 teams are competitive. Unfortunatetly in South Africa we are too hung up on provincialism than to see the bigger picture. Its also a shame to see that one of the great things of South Africa rugby is not what it was and is dying. That is the great Bulls forward pack and scrum we use to know.

They been so busy stockpiling the backline tallent that they forgot that you need a good pack to feed them. Poor Steyn gets flogged left and right but he is starting to play against a losing pack. What 10 does well behind a losing pack. Will Carter shine behind one? We will never know because he never played behind one.

If you buy the best no problem but give them play time at least or loan some out. We do not want to see our promising youngsters end up in a England shirt because the Bulls let them fell thru the cracks

The real problem is SARU. if they put enough structures in place like the AB and Aussies then there will be less guys leaving the country, players getting recognized, players getting more game time, players get paid,etc. Why can't we create a team/conference where all these guys who are on the fringes that we know of that has hidden talent play in a team for them to develop irrespective of the results, but gaining experience. other bigger unions should be allowed to have 1st choiche player with a youngster as backup on the bench. this will even it out so that everyone gets enough game time and not lost to some overseas club. SARU needs to pull finger and start thinking of ways to retain our best players and youngsters.

[NCalvo]

The real problem is SARU. if they put enough structures in place like the AB and Aussies then there will be less guys leaving the country, players getting recognized, players getting more game time, players get paid,etc. Why can't we create a team/conference where all these guys who are on the fringes that we know of that has hidden talent play in a team for them to develop irrespective of the results, but gaining experience. other bigger unions should be allowed to have 1st choiche player with a youngster as backup on the bench. this will even it out so that everyone gets enough game time and not lost to some overseas club. SARU needs to pull finger and start thinking of ways to retain our best players and youngsters.

But these guys are contracted to a union and not much SARU can do. I would love to see the 5 Franchises have their 22 players and where the best guys who do not have a place gets put in a pool where the go and play where there is a spot for them.

I would also like for us to have our Currie Cup back. The Bulls probably hope that SA team Meyer selected are nowhere near the Championship squad cause they will miss the final again. Winning the Currie Cup ain't something to brag about these days