Are Mods biased??

[Angelo]

Usually if a thread is getting out of hand a Mod would issue a warning but recently the "Farm couple killed for a gun: Proudly South African" and "crime & sa" threads were inexplicably locked, these threads were thriving with stimulating debate about major challenges facing our country but they were curbed, there was hardly any extreme comments to justify the locking in my opinion. It seems the threads were locked because a certain Moderator is opposed to the views being expressed there, hell the "Anyone else planning on leaving SA?" thread is one of the most strong-languaged threads I've seen on the forum but it continues to thrive.

[charl.voster]

Are Mods biased?? - yes

[Gothan]

Hell I got jumped on in the crime and sa thread, so if they are biased, defintely not in my favour

[ignacio]

Usually if a thread is getting out of hand a Mod would issue a warning but recently the "Farm couple killed for a gun: Proudly South African" and "crime & sa" threads were inexplicably locked, these threads were thriving with stimulating debate about major challenges facing our country but they were curbed, there was hardly any extreme comments to justify the locking in my opinion. It seems the threads were locked because a certain Moderator is opposed to the views being expressed there, hell the "Anyone else planning on leaving SA?" thread is one of the most strong-languaged threads I've seen on the forum but it continues to thrive.Those threads were locked because of overt racism.

The mods may or may not be biased - but they seem to tolerate white racists, never a public reprimand for the most blatant violators of the forum's anti-racism policy. I can't tell if this is done privately, but my sense is that is not being done there either because the same perpetrators feel free to continue to spew their racist filth.

Not that I am against race-based or racially charged discussions - just racial slurs or racial ad hominem attacks must be controlled. MyADSL does not want the reputation as a forum for bitching white racists. I am sure it would be a black-eye for MyADSL if the media researched and found the posts by the worst offenders.

But if mods are ok with something totally unrelated to adsl bringing shame to an otherwise noble effort - so be it.

[schitz011]

want to see mods and peeps throwing their collective toys out the cot try heading over to the SGS BF2 forums! A friend of mine raised a vaild issue yesterday and it's triggered a mini flame war haha..

Sometimes things get totally out of hand with mods and their forums :)

[ignacio]

Hah - mods find threads in the wrong sub-forum more offensive and action-worthy. Inane.

[Gothan]

Oooh Angelo, someone's going to be comming around your house wearing a long black coat and mirror shades

[AcidRaZor]

they biased....

[dominic]

these threads were thriving with stimulating debate about major challenges facing our country

stimulating debate?
ROFL
try inane highly-repetitive whinging and quite often offensive crap

maybe rpm can show you the traffic figures for september last year when the site was not moderated - stats were significantly down as people voted with their feet

/waits for first person to post something about their precious freedom of expression and the way the biased and nasty mods (who don't see any financial return on the service they provide or the abuse they have to take)

[ignacio]

@ignacio & DigitalSoldier - I don't know what the problem is between yourselves, either learn to get on or keep it to yourselves [IOW off the forum].

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=545990&postcount=36
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=546700&postcount=11

So - there you have it - overt racism is left unchallenged, but dare to post in the wrong place or attack someone's ignorance, and beware of mod wrath. hmmm - so the question is: are the mods all white? Moreover are the mods all white racists? I'd be curious to know.

[habari]

Some threads just spin out of control. Better to close them. There's nothing stopping you from opening a new thread that might just stay on topic.
these threads were thriving with stimulating debate about major challenges facing our countryStimulating debate or just more of the same tired rhetoric?

[Angelo]

Those threads were locked because of overt racism.

The mods may or may not be biased - but they seem to tolerate white racists, never a public reprimand for the most blatant violators of the forum's anti-racism policy. I can't tell if this is done privately, but my sense is that is not being done there either because the same perpetrators feel free to continue to spew their racist filth.

Not that I am against race-based or racially charged discussions - just racial slurs or racial ad hominem attacks must be controlled. MyADSL does not want the reputation as a forum for bitching white racists. I am sure it would be a black-eye for MyADSL if the media researched and found the posts by the worst offenders.

But if mods are ok with something totally unrelated to adsl bringing shame to an otherwise noble effort - so be it.
That's what I was pointing to, overt white racists can hurl abuse for as long as they want but when the tide turns against them the thread gets locked. Double standards!

[stix]

It amazes me how members whine when they get a free service......

There are many other issues to consider

- Responsibilities to advertisers
- Legal issues relating to hate speach

etc etc

So stop complaining and accept that while you get it free and it is open to the general population - Mods have rules they need to apply

[habari]

That's what I was pointing to, overt white racists can hurl abuse for as long as they want but when the tide turns against them the thread gets locked. Double standards!Treat all racists equally. Ban them all.

[ignacio]

That's what I was pointing to, overt white racists can hurl abuse for as long as they want but when the tide turns against them the thread gets locked. Double standards!MyADSL must pander to its white racist constituency - maybe this is the demographic their advertisers are targeting - maybe I should find out

[Angelo]

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=545990&postcount=36
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=546700&postcount=11

So - there you have it - overt racism is left unchallenged, but dare to post in the wrong place or attack someone's ignorance, and beware of mod wrath. hmmm - so the question is: are the mods all white? Moreover are the mods all white racists? I'd be curious to know.
This must be resolved once and for all if the News and Current Affairs section is to continue because some Mods even enter debates whereas they have powers to curb views they disagree with. I once suggested that Mods stay away from this section but to no avail.

[ignacio]

It amazes me how members whine when they get a free service......

There are many other issues to consider

- Responsibilities to advertisers
- Legal issues relating to hate speach

etc etc

So stop complaining and accept that while you get it free and it is open to the general population - Mods have rules they need to applyAgreed... moreover, in that regard, it seems that beyond locking threads, overtly offensive posts and even posters should be deleted.

[ignacio]

This must be resolved once and for all if the News and Current Affairs section is to continue because some Mods even enter debates whereas they have powers to curb views they disagree with. I once suggested that Mods stay away from this section but to no avail.I don't know if I agree with what you are asking for... I think a "light-touch" is in order to encourage vigorous debate... but are you ok with blatant, over-the-top racists posts?

[ignacio]

Treat all racists equally. Ban them all.Warn... then ban, sure.

[habari]

The mod's are just human (most of them anyway) and are therefore fallible. I would suggest if you have a problem with a particular aspect of the forum you PM rpm and take it up with him as he is the grand puba of the forum.

[ignacio]

The mod's are just human (most of them anyway) and are therefore fallible. I would suggest if you have a problem with a particular aspect of the forum you PM rpm and take it up with him as he is the grand puba of the forum.Tried - but he doesn't even dignify my concerns with a response.

[Angelo]

I don't know if I agree with what you are asking for... I think a "light-touch" is in order to encourage vigorous debate... but are you ok with blatant, over-the-top racists posts?
Of course im not "ok" with racists, I have suffered their wrath many times without Mod protection (they just stood by and watched). What I'm saying is Mods can monitor heated debates but it become a conflict of interest when they join one side and start debating, so let them play "big brother" but they shouldn't participate.

[Angelo]

MyADSL must pander to its white racist constituency - maybe this is the demographic their advertisers are targeting - maybe I should find out
I wonder what impression of the forum as a whole this is giving to outsiders who might sympathise with MyADSL's mission.

[habari]

Tried - but he doesn't even dignify my concerns with a response.He's probably got a life outside of the forum - probably a job and friends and a deluge of PM's to deal with. Try him again?

[ignacio]

Of course im not "ok" with racists, I have suffered their wrath many times without Mod protection (they just stood by and watched). What I'm saying is Mods can monitor heated debates but it become a conflict of interest when they join one side and start debating, so let them play "big brother" but they shouldn't participate.What is wild about these pockets of white racism - and with reference to your sig - while blacks try to regain their humanity, white racists are vigorously defending their own inhumanity.

[Angelo]

Agreed... moreover, in that regard, it seems that beyond locking threads, overtly offensive posts and even posters should be deleted.
This has been done but I'm not sure if it's being done impartially.

[habari]

I wonder what impression of the forum as a whole this is giving to outsiders who might sympathise with MyADSL's mission.Are you part of the solution or just another part of the problem?

[ignacio]

He's probably got a life outside of the forum - probably a job and friends and a deluge of PM's to deal with. Try him again?Yeah - I don't hold it against him - he has more important things to do and I highly respect him for that - like take on Telkom! - but I wish he would let his mods know that letting overt racism stand in the forums seriously discredits the site... it really can't be tolerated.

[Angelo]

What is wild about these pockets of white racism - and with reference to your sig - while blacks try to regain their humanity, white racists are vigorously defending their own inhumanity.
They are like an overweight adopted kid who screams in protest the minute the biological child approaches the dinner table.

[DigitalSoldier]

Angelo yes I agree whites scream in protest at every situation when we dont get a 0.05increase in our salary we go toi toi in the streets and throw people off trains. YUP whites are the devil

[ignacio]

Angelo yes I agree whites scream in protest at every situation when we dont get a 0.05increase in our salary we go toi toi in the streets and throw people off trains. YUP whites are the devilIt is quite remarkable that every one of your posts is seething with racism. Are you unaware of this? I am not against debating race or racial issues - but must you be so bigoted?

[ajak]

"YAWN",this is a piss ant thread

[DigitalSoldier]

Eish

[ignacio]

I can only comment from my own perspective - both of those threads are in the News & Current Affairs forum, personally I prefer to spend what little time I have available for moderating, in forums that relate to Broadband.

For my part, you are labouring under the mistaken assumption that stuff yourself & others post there, is of some interest to me, and that I should waste time reading through drivel.Yes - of course - this in an ADSL site. But I am not labouring under any such assumption - I am telling you - giving you a head's up - that some threads have become a playground for overt white racism, and this discredits MyADSL - and even while you may say, this site is about ADSL, any casual observer would be offended by what appears to be tolerance of openly racist and vocal posters.

[habari]

There's always at least one kid who wants to crap in the sandbox.

For me I'd love to see all this lively heated debate focused on broadband but I suppose it is just a matter of individual priorities.

Anyway, good luck with your mod bashing. I've got better things to do.

[ignacio]

There's always at least one kid who wants to crap in the sandbox.

For me I'd love to see all this lively heated debate focused on broadband but I suppose it is just a matter of individual priorities.

Anyway, good luck with your mod bashing. I've got better things to do.This is racist bashing - but we need more mod support.

[icyrus]

Usually if a thread is getting out of hand a Mod would issue a warning but recently the "Farm couple killed for a gun: Proudly South African" and "crime & sa" threads were inexplicably locked, these threads were thriving with stimulating debate about major challenges facing our country but they were curbed, there was hardly any extreme comments to justify the locking in my opinion. It seems the threads were locked because a certain Moderator is opposed to the views being expressed there, hell the "Anyone else planning on leaving SA?" thread is one of the most strong-languaged threads I've seen on the forum but it continues to thrive.

From what I can see the threads were locked because they were no longer at all related to the topic they were posted under and had devolved into a back and forth flame war. Perhaps the flames need to be kept more on topic? :)

As for the "leaving SA" thread... I didn't read it all but the parts that I did weren't offensive at all, more advise and experiences of different countries than "strong-language". Perhaps I missed something.

[ignacio]

I completely agree that racism of any description should not be allowed on MyADSL, and that it harms the site. IMO it would be easier to just delete entire News & Current Affairs threads than have to wade through & monitor them - the interests of the forum as a whole far outway the interests of a few that would complain about their freedom of speech etc etc etc...More than fair enough - so I guess it really is up to us to wade through & monitor in your stead. I notice that you have deleted two of the offensive posts in question, and that is all I am asking for: the most egregious cases, when brought to your attention, should be evaluated and, if appropriate, promptly deleted - instead of hanging around fouling up the atmosphere (whether in a locked thread or not). Likewise, if such threads are habitually associated with certain posters, they too must be considered for forum deletion.

Thanks for your responsiveness with this - much appreciated.

[TonyA]

Perceptions differ, this is part of what makes these forums so interesting. "One mans meat, is anothers poison". The Mods cannot satisfy everyone they have to try and moderate on behalf of Joe Average.

[LandyMan]

My input: Report bad post button

[ajak]

You guys are crazy....IC is a bot:D ,you cant win,so give it up. :D

[ignacio]

You can also thank rpm :).hehe - he already has my thanks for the site as it is... but THANK YOU, rpm...

[Rkootknir]

You guys are crazy....IC is a bot:D ,you cant win,so give it up. :DYep, I was getting confused as well. All humans are biased, and as such, so are the mods (the human ones at least).

This is why the ic modbot is such a useful script, it's programmed to be unbiased.

[jabulani]

My input: Report bad post button

Seconded. Rather that than starting a whole thread whining about the mods, who already have enough on their hands.

[BTTB]

I completely agree that racism of any description should not be allowed on MyADSL, and that it harms the site. IMO it would be easier to just delete entire News & Current Affairs threads than have to wade through & monitor them - the interests of the forum as a whole far outway the interests of a few that would complain about their freedom of speech etc etc etc...
Recently a thread (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=44687) started by Ajak entitled, "Da Boss of MyAdsl (eish)", about RPM, with a referring link to RPM's picture with the MyADSL Logo was deleted by me.
For whatever reason by the end of the first page of the thread, it had turned into a mess of accusations back and forth including racist remarks.
I started editing out all the ugly stuff and by the third or fourth post I realised that an outsider coming to MyADSL would not have made head or tail of what the thread was all about and all this within the same thread of a picture of our leader and our logo.
This was not on. I deleted the thread and sent Ajak a Private Message urging him to rather start a new thread on the same topic.
His response was courteous and the matter was sorted.
MyADSL's a broadband forum may have an Off Topic Section, but we need to follow a certain decorum of respect for each other and especially our Leader who is doing sterling work.

Why the other thread was locked was that Mod's decision and should be respected. Someone has got to make decisions.
To say that MyADSL Mod's are biased is a non sequitur. It does not follow.
Much like the days of Slimothy and Kei and his infamous statement in this post (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=284174&postcount=3).
"Report bad post results in your post getting locked and no action being taken against the culprit. This forum is racially biased!"

The argument can go on and on. This forum is actually very lenient. Serious.
Other forums I have visited don't take nonsense and lock down or delete a thread if they spot trouble. Why must we be different?
MyADSL is a forum about Broadband.
People should direct their anger or frustration at the real problem and that is Government, DOC, ICASA and Telkom etc.

Mod's do not read every post on this forum. That would be an impossible task. We do however respond to the Report Bad Post (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=26161) function and we urge all the members to use this feature whenever they spot trouble brewing. It is likely the Mod that locked the thread got several Bad Post Report emails and took a look at the content and decided that the Bad Post emails had merit and went with the flow.

In my own Moderatorship I often get Bad Post requests and after reading the specific post I do nothing as in my opinion the thread's content is acceptable.
Mod's are only human doing a job for no gain, but for the enjoyment of being part of the MyADSL Team and this community of people.

[mancombseepgood]

With Telkom's pricing...

oh... sorry... wrong thread! ?

[lilDeath]

IMO, they are all doing well, above average, on par ;)
I have been a moderator for online communications and services and believe me, it is not easy.
Good job guys! :D
I also do believe there are some posters that must really consider what they are about to say, as in some cases, the posts are unbelievable. And it goes both ways.

[pupa]

"YAWN",this is a piss ant thread
Just look at the main names feeding this thread started by Angelo. The biggest in reverse, they blame on to others. I wondered when they will start a piss in the pant thread to cry about themselves! The name callers when they cannot win an debate! They should grow up and not be ashamed of who and what they are! By the way, the Mods are doing a sterling Job, Freedom of speech is part of the constitution not to only what you want as freedom of speech. They did take swift action against debators that cannot do anything else but call names, and cry when it comes back in droves! LOL

[lilDeath]

I actually found this very thread offensive...wherever you looked it was whites this and whites that...
this in itself is bigoted

[Angelo]

Another political thread locked, can't we keep the expletives out of debates? :(

[pupa]

Another political thread locked, can't we keep the expletives out of debates? :(


Those threads were locked because of overt racism.

The mods may or may not be biased - but they seem to tolerate white racists, never a public reprimand for the most blatant violators of the forum's anti-racism policy. I can't tell if this is done privately, but my sense is that is not being done there either because the same perpetrators feel free to continue to spew their racist filth.

Not that I am against race-based or racially charged discussions - just racial slurs or racial ad hominem attacks must be controlled. MyADSL does not want the reputation as a forum for bitching white racists. I am sure it would be a black-eye for MyADSL if the media researched and found the posts by the worst offenders.

But if mods are ok with something totally unrelated to adsl bringing shame to an otherwise noble effort - so be it.

All in the eyes of the greatest beholders!


@ignacio & DigitalSoldier - I don't know what the problem is between yourselves, either learn to get on or keep it to yourselves [IOW off the forum].

As advised by Mods

What is wild about these pockets of white racism - and with reference to your sig - while blacks try to regain their humanity, white racists are vigorously defending their own inhumanity.

Still continues! do not know when to shut up like in other threads! Forgetting the inhumanity's of the violent murders that were discussed and the questions raised WHY?

[kingmonty]

I stand under correction, but I believe that anyone has the right to complain about posts, threads or comments on this forum, and generally if enough complaints are received action will be meted by the appropriate mod? So if something bothers you, you have two choices: Don't read any further or complain.

[AntiThesis]

This thread needs to end. Nothing positive is being gained from it. Are mods biased? Yes, they probably are as they're just normal people doing a very tough job.

Are there some elements of racism that slip by? Yes, there probably are. Again I'd like to point out the human thing.

That's pretty much the whole thing innit?

[DigitalSoldier]

How about every1 enjoy a lekker weekend and then monday come back and pull all the stops out :p

[ignacio]

Another political thread locked, can't we keep the expletives out of debates? :(That thread was going well - controversial, but nothing patently offensive it it - until a certain unnamed forumite decided it was time to have his regular hissy fit. But Angelo, my advice to you is to just use the
Report Bad Post feature when you come across overtly racist posts - the mods are quite quick to evaluate and delete such posts. It is better that they are just deleted than getting worked up over or commented on.

[BTTB]

That thread was going well - controversial, but nothing patently offensive it it - until a certain unnamed forumite decided it was time to have his regular hissy fit. But Angelo, my advice to you is to just use the
Report Bad Post feature when you come across overtly racist posts - the mods are quite quick to evaluate and delete such posts. It is better that they are just deleted than getting worked up over or commented on.

That is exactly it.
The Report Bad Post (http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=26161) function.
The little Red Triangle at the top right hand side of each post is the only way the Mods will know if a post or thread is controversial.
We have mentioned it time and time again.
The problem arises when a person responds to a Racist Remark and the ensuing gemors that follows.
Rather use the feature.
Within minutes the comment/text will be removed and the poster will be warned.
If the offended party finds that a certain member keeps "picking" on them then rather add them to your Ignore List.


Ranting and carrying on, almost as if it is the Mod's fault is counter-productive and then adding insult to injury insinuating that the Mod's are biased and even racist is ridiculous.
We have heard/seen it over and over again here on MyADSL.
Like a *(%^(&! stuck record. :D

[Luke7777]

hmmm, maybe we can have a forum where all the bad posts are threaded. It'll save people time finding posts to complain about :D

[BTTB]

hmmm, maybe we can have a forum where all the bad posts are threaded. It'll save people time finding posts to complain about :D
I believe this is why the Forum suggestions and gripes (http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=123) Topic was created. :D
Shoud be Forum Suggestions, Gripes and Bad Posts. ROFL :D
Past home of Slimothy and Kei. :p

[ignacio]

I believe this is why the Forum suggestions and gripes (http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=123) Topic was created. :D
Shoud be Forum Suggestions, Gripes and Bad Posts. ROFL :D
Past home of Slimothy and Kei. :pCraigslist has an Isle of Misfits (http://forums.craigslist.org/?forumID=1047) forum - where all bad posts are sent to die. But we really don't need one - most of the bad posts should just be destroyed and forgotten!

[pupa]

I believe this is why the Forum suggestions and gripes (http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=123) Topic was created.
Shoud be Forum Suggestions, Gripes and Bad Posts. ROFL :D
Past home of Slimothy and Kei. :p
Yeah I was just new at the time, got pissed off with the bitching, suggested this thread and High presto, the mods created it. Now they want to submit me to it due to me flaming the spooks on this forum! :) :cool: But what do you expect from a few reverse racists that cannot take the heat. Delete posts as you guys please, The Mods can approach me if they think what I posted is racist. Its facts, and when Ignorant Ignacio cannot take the truth then he gets abusive. and does what he normally do! Do not question the ANC as then you are racist and the posts will be deleted as there is a few that will continually complain when someone post anything anti GVT or ANC. Their twisted version of racism! There was a few times I was called names due to the perceived racism in those race zealots minds, the Mods deleted their cr@p but my "racist" comment, in his mind, stayed, therefore the birth of this thread! and the mods were blamed. Typical ANC style of modus operandi, They just cannot take the heat when they are shown how substandard they are! Then they call it racism! and blame Apartheid! As proof was the racist statement from the security minister in the replated thread "Stop bitching or get out " LOL So see that as a hint for this forum too. Stop bitching or get out!

[Angelo]

That thread was going well - controversial, but nothing patently offensive it it - until a certain unnamed forumite decided it was time to have his regular hissy fit. But Angelo, my advice to you is to just use the
Report Bad Post feature when you come across overtly racist posts - the mods are quite quick to evaluate and delete such posts. It is better that they are just deleted than getting worked up over or commented on.
Personally I can handle the offensive posts but my previous post was just an appeal to forumites to post carefully to avoid popular threads getting locked prematurely and for the sake of the forum's image.My dissapointment is more about the fact that whole threads are getting locked because of a few bad posts/posters, many necessary debates are being shortlived.

My suggestion to the Mods is delete the offensive posts but let the thread live please, otherwise we will have a few people deliberatly spoiling threads that they simply don't agree with by throwing their toys out the cot and getting the threads locked at the expense of the majority. Another point is that controversy will always be a part of meaningful debates and it shouldn't be confused with personal insults.

Thanks to everybody making an effort of cleaning up the forum but please let us not penalise both the offender and the offended by locking threads.

[pupa]

Personally I can handle the offensive posts but my previous post was just an appeal to forumites to post carefully to avoid popular threads getting locked prematurely and for the sake of the forum's image.My dissapointment is more about the fact that whole threads are getting locked because of a few bad posts/posters, many necessary debates are being shortlived.

My suggestion to the Mods is delete the offensive posts but let the thread live please, otherwise we will have a few people deliberatly spoiling threads that they simply don't agree with by throwing their toys out the cot and getting the threads locked at the expense of the majority. Another point is that controversy will always be a part of meaningful debates and it shouldn't be confused with personal insults.

Thanks to everybody making an effort of cleaning up the forum but please let us not penalise both the offender and the offended by locking threads. Like with the issue with Prometheas? You are the culprit in most as soon as you and the few that follows you, like to this thread, cannot agree to disagree the Sh@t starts! Then you guys pull the race card and all hell breaks loose. So the fact that others dissagree with you does not mean it is bad posts, but of course that is the typical ANC style, see other threads about ministers comments! I need say no more!

[BTTB]

@Angelo.

Good Post. :)

We will endeavour to route out the bad posts.
I see your point.
It may not have been necessary to have locked that specific thread.

3 Things that will happen with Threads that have controversial content.

1. Thread is temporarily locked until such time as the Mod's have time to clean up the content.
Perhaps to avoid further input until things cool down?
2. Thread is locked permanently, but the content is still visible as in the opinion of the Mods no further good will come of it.
3. Thread is deleted completely, for obvious reasons.

But in order to act in the most "unbiased" manner we do need the support of the members to hastily report the "Bad Posts" so we can deal with them as quickly as possible. The Mod's are here to help.
If anyone feels that a Mod is being unfair, send them a Private Message. You may be surprised. :)

Thanks. ;)

[WatchDog]

There is a particualr mod who is very pro Vodacom and will either censure a poster or close the thread, especially when he feels Vodacom is taking a beating. I can see little other reason. In fact i think he could be vodacom3g in disguise (He, He .. who would know?!)

I know this site is anti-Telkom, but why pro-Vodacom?? - they are major Telkom shareholders after all.

You only have to look at some of the US forums to see intelligent, but controversial, debate going on without whining whingeing mods stepping in all the time.

[web]

There is a particualr mod who is very pro Vodacom and will either censure a poster or close the thread, especially when he feels Vodacom is taking a beating. I can see little other reason. In fact i think he could be vodacom3g in disguise (He, He .. who would know?!)

I know this site is anti-Telkom, but why pro-Vodacom?? - they are major Telkom shareholders after all.

You only have to look at some of the US forums to see intelligent, but controversial, debate going on without whining whingeing mods stepping in all the time.

Not pro Vodacom. Maybe you should read some of the older threads. I think the whole problem is people tend to attack a certian person ( V3g ) wich is really unnecessary
since all he/she :D ever does on this forum is tries to sort out peoples problems. But then he/she gets attacked as if he/she is Vodacom.

Definetly not cool.

Anyway this topic is getting quite old and boring bye-bye.

[-toady-]

*Almal se k@kka lyk ieg dieselfde*
en DISSIE waarheid lmao!!!!!

*has only ever had one comment deleted and still to this day wonders .....
but for the most part i trust the Mods totally :D

CacklinToad
__________
Downright Deliciously Dim-witted

[Angelo]

@Angelo.

Good Post. :)

We will endeavour to route out the bad posts.
I see your point.
It may not have been necessary to have locked that specific thread.

3 Things that will happen with Threads that have controversial content.

1. Thread is temporarily locked until such time as the Mod's have time to clean up the content.
Perhaps to avoid further input until things cool down?
2. Thread is locked permanently, but the content is still visible as in the opinion of the Mods no further good will come of it.
3. Thread is deleted completely, for obvious reasons.

But in order to act in the most "unbiased" manner we do need the support of the members to hastily report the "Bad Posts" so we can deal with them as quickly as possible. The Mod's are here to help.
If anyone feels that a Mod is being unfair, send them a Private Message. You may be surprised. :)

Thanks. ;)
Thanks BTTB, I hope from here we can move forward for the forum's sake.

[rwenzori]

Having stumbled across this thread I have to say I find it really disappointing that some forumites make the accusation implied in the thread title. Their grievance seems to stem from what they perceive as "racism" - an epithet that they themselves bring up whenever the going gets a bit tough in one of the threads. Come on for goodness sake - fight your own battles and don't go whining to the nearest authority figures the moment someone disagrees strongly with you. If there is direct overt racism, sure - report a bad post. But if someone else's politics is different, have the backbone to argue it out in the thread. The mods have a huge and difficult task - they do not need their lives made more difficult by whiners. For the good of the forum of course, so that we can move forward.

[AcidRaZor]

rwenzori, that may be your opinion, but when mods start targeting and deleting your threads left right and centre, please refrain from posting something you don't know much about, even though its your right to have that opinion, I'd say you should really experience it rather than going "oh for goodness sake stop...blablabla"

I had several posts deleted that was in Off Topic and asked questions like, how can I ask this girl out, or , where can I buy *insert here* or how to do *insert that*

I started to bookmark those threads I started which had nothing to do with any kind of racism or political agendas. Good clean threads. All of them deleted. Mods have the option to see what other mods deleted or changed or locked, however, claim that they couldn't help me find the person who did it because *insert lame excuse here*

I pm'ed ic and rpm several times. ic had the decency to respond, rpm responded as well but he might as well have told me to **** off, because when I replied to him and confronted him about the situation in a civilized manner (instead of cursing him out like I imagine alot of people do) nothing came of it and I've since then tried stopping my creation of new threads altogether.

I try to PM them asking for explanation as to why it was deleted/locked rather than post it on the public forums, but those pm's usually go into a big void of nothingness. If they had the decency to email the person the reason why it was deleted, I'd be more than happy to not b1tch about it because then at least I would know :

a) It has been deleted and not to try and look for it for several hours or expect replies
b) That I can't cross that line and that my content or wording was inappropriate

However, not telling the poster what he/she did wrong (I mean come on, to me all my posts are ok, if I don't get "spanked" then how will I know what is right or wrong?) they won't ever learn what is okay and what is not. I know the mods have a lot of responsibility and little time to do it in, but seeing as they have to type in a reason to why they delete a thread on these forums anyway, I can't see why they can't just email that reason as well. Doesn't take two seconds to copy/paste a pm to the person you just deleted their thread of.

Mods are biased. Period.

[rwenzori]

rwenzori, that may be your opinion, but when mods start targeting and deleting your threads left right and centre, please refrain from posting something you don't know much about, even though its your right to have that opinion, I'd say you should really experience it rather than going "oh for goodness sake stop...blablabla"

I was not aware of your particular issue. I was directing my comments at others who virtually accused the mods of racial bias. You should take things a bit easier - you'll give yourself a heart attack getting so worked up.

[Skeptik]

oh dear the mods are taking a bashing again. Interesting how it is always the same trigger-happy bunch involved. Do they need to be sent on a mod course?

[ajak]

Basta With This Moaning.........lets Lets Talk About Sex:D :D :D

[Luke7777]

Can't think of anything more biased than sex :D

[antowan]

For the record guys. We have said it before and there seems to be some misunderstanding. Discussing racism is okay. Calling somebody a racist constitutes a personal attack. It is a very simple rule.

Appropriate = "Your statement is idiotic!
Inappropriate= "You are an idiot!"

Replace "idiotic" and "idiot" with whatever nasty words you can think of to give the rule some more clarity.

What is worse (Ignacio), white racism or black racism? IMO both are equally disgusting and should be avoided. We don't want any personal attacks on the forum like slinging of racial slurs. Heated debates are cool, but of very little value if people have to resort to name calling and belittling to hurt each other. Is this clear enough?

[pupa]

For the record guys. We have said it before and there seems to be some misunderstanding. Discussing racism is okay. Calling somebody a racist constitutes a personal attack. It is a very simple rule.

Appropriate = "Your statement is idiotic!
Inappropriate= "You are an idiot!"

Replace "idiotic" and "idiot" with whatever nasty words you can think of to give the rule some more clarity.

What is worse (Ignacio), white racism or black racism? IMO both are equally disgusting and should be avoided. We don't want any personal attacks on the forum like slinging of racial slurs. Heated debates are cool, but of very little value if people have to resort to name calling and belittling to hurt each other. Is this clear enough?

Well said Antowan, thats what made this forum so popular, Freedom of speech! only pity it seems now the pressure is telling and this forum will now revert back to what it was before!

[lilDeath]

Basta With This Moaning.........lets Lets Talk About Sex:D :D :D
OT: Baby, do it one more time?
:D

[Skeptik]

If you ask me there are mods who would be happier with jobs as bouncers. They wont take criticism, are never wrong, sometimes tell lies, and appear to enjoy inflaming a situation rather than settling things. No wonder they dont want pms to see the light of day because that would show what they do when challenged!

[BTTB]

@Skeptik
These Mods that you refer to.
On which forum would they be?

[ajak]

VIVA THE ANC VIVA, COME ON YOU GUYS, LETS MAKE THIS A ANCBROADBANDFORUM,I don’t know in all honesty why we fight Telkom, are the not, for the most part government controlled. As I have gathered from the attacks on anything that is posted that seems critical of the gvt,it is not in our interest to in any way associate ourselves with dissidents. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[rwenzori]

You mean MyADSL|MyBroadband will return to being a forum about ADSL and Broadband in general? - how would that be a bad thing...:confused:

The Off-Topic post count tells you why. If it were just about ADSL etc active membership would reduce, visitor counts would reduce, and the whole lobby would be diminished.

[ajak]

The Off-Topic post count tells you why. If it were just about ADSL etc active membership would reduce, visitor counts would reduce, and the whole lobby would be diminished.

Age nee man,why not ban the oftopic and news and current events for a week/or for that matter take it AWAY,the mods will be happy,the owner rpm will be happy,who cares,i post 99% in those two,i will take a hike if it makes them happy.Hell i`f made friends (so to speak)on this forum,but if i have to lose them,just to make EVERY BODY HAPPY,i will go:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[rpm]

Hi folks

Thanks for all the feedback regarding this issue.

While it may seem to some that we are biased (we have been blamed for being racists, pro-ANC, pro-right-wing and even pro-Telkom :D) I can assure you that we are not. The reason why we moderate is to ensure a professional environment and the long term survival of this forum and our initiative to improve broadband in South Africa.

We certainly favour free speech, but there are limits. Go over these limits and it harms the forum and the community as a whole. Here we have learned the hard way. We decided to leave most posts alone during one month to see what the effect will be….the results are here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=16&d=1141240108 We decided to start moderating more effectively again and the growth continued.

Please keep in mind that the mods are simply here to ensure the smooth functioning of the forum. They give their free time to ensure that MyADSL is a great place to visit and share knowledge and ideas. Without this moderation MyADSL will quickly deteriorate…

Regards,

RPM

[Highflyer_GP]

Seems like the forum "broke a leg" in September :D Ok poor taste in humour there.

IIRC (apart from no moderation), wasn't September also the time when we had the issue with the one we do not speak of? :confused:
Nonetheless you're right RPM, it needs moderation to prevent people from going over the edge. While they may not be happy about that, it's their loss. The figures speak for themselves and we cannot be allowed to sacrifice thousands of unique visitors to the forum for the sake of a minority few members throwing tantrums at each other and the mods.

[Angelo]

Hi folks

Thanks for all the feedback regarding this issue.

While it may seem to some that we are biased (we have been blamed for being racists, pro-ANC, pro-right-wing and even pro-Telkom :D) I can assure you that we are not. The reason why we moderate is to ensure a professional environment and the long term survival of this forum and our initiative to improve broadband in South Africa.

We certainly favour free speech, but there are limits. Go over these limits and it harms the forum and the community as a whole. Here we have learned the hard way. We decided to leave most posts alone during one month to see what the effect will be….the results are here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=16&d=1141240108 We decided to start moderating more effectively again and the growth continued.

Please keep in mind that the mods are simply here to ensure the smooth functioning of the forum. They give their free time to ensure that MyADSL is a great place to visit and share knowledge and ideas. Without this moderation MyADSL will quickly deteriorate…

Regards,

RPM
Thanks for your efforts, its now up to us as members to make the job easier.

[ajak]

Not to detract from rpm's post, but in answer to the question:Only 1 mod - it's a sniper-shot at me - skeptik doesn't see eye2eye with me and obviously prefers to hold onto a grudge & chip on shoulder like a security blanket, I am a bit tired of petty zombie-issues ressurecting themselves like this, but whatever makes skeptik happy & floats his boat...:rolleyes:
Get your code fixed Mr Bot...not "security blanket"security gaurd:D :D

[pupa]

Get your code fixed Mr Bot...not "security blanket"security gaurd:D :D
Ajak We will have to take the blame so this cr@p can end. We posted facts and daily news events, That were making a certain crowd, they know who it is, unhappy as they feel guilty and sad about themselves, they started using abusing modus operandi and labeling, one called me a "racist pig" and the mod deleted that particular comment. Then this thread was started. Point is they do not like or want the truth published and take it out on the mods. I have seen it before so have you, MyADSL is stronger than them and if it have to be me to depart RPM can send me a PM and that would the end of me here! Simple and plain! Funny thing is it was worse when i refrained from reading or posting here for a week two weeks ago? Also I never received a PM or reprimand from any mod to indicate that what I am posting is against their wishes or wrong. Maybe that says something! I really do not Know!

IC feel free to ex-terminate :D my membership if I brought MyADSL in disrepute. Ignacio will be the happiest fool on this forum followed by Tibby, Angelo, SteveV ...........and a few others, they know who they are.

PS! You will save me a lot of time and money!

[Skeptik]

Its amazing how I can paint a picture of a bully boy mod and someone stands up and says "it must be me!". As someone said before "if the cap fits wear it" LOL Oh and take your own advice and stop making direct personal attacks because thats against THE RULES.

[pupa]

Well commented, It could be fitting for any of the posts below? So what is the point!

[Skeptik]

The point is this: if you are a mod and can recognise yourself as a lying bully boy then ask yourself why? It is totally unnecessary and you will get a reaction you dont like - or maybe that is their aim so they can have a nice fight - a bouncers dream?

[ignacio]

They point is this: if you are a mod and can recognise yourself as a lying bully boy then ask yourself why? It is totally unnecessary and you will get a reaction you dont like.Your insults are cute, I can't imagine why mods would have a problem with you.

[Skeptik]

The truth is painful isn't it? BTW you are using a false argument. If you upset someone over a long period and they finally klap you, can you really accuse them of being moody say?

[rwenzori]

Thanks for your efforts, its now up to us as members to make the job easier.

Thats a bit of a brown-nose of a post innit?

[-toady-]

ai ai ai.... basically tis
ALL still about CHOICE is it not? I do find pupa's threads very gloomy however true they may be and I CHOOSE to mostly skip them - no problem :D

"lying bully boy" and i surely misread this? U werent for one minute implying that IC fitted that description? ROFLMAO !!!!! IC is lovely and the furthest thing from a lying bully boy i can think of *cacklin.....

CacklinTard
__________
Downright DAngerously Dim-witted:D

[pupa]

Your insults are cute, I can't imagine why mods would have a problem with you.
Ons noem dit subtiel! ou mater. Maar ek stem saam, Skeptik, die Mods doen goeie werk onder moeilike omstandighede. Ek het ook my bedenkinge gehad met 'n sekere persoon en hett later dit verander en aanvaar ek was dalk of definitief verkeerd gewees. Hulle laat baie toe, wat onder ander forums lankal verban sou beteken het. Ek het dus tot die slotsom gekom ek aanvaar wat hulle doen solank ek die reg het om my sê to sê sonder om teen gediskrimineer te word. Die hele petalje is as gevolg van 'n direkte uitvloeing van wat vir my gesê is op n sekere draad en daarom het hiedie draad en ander direk betrekking op my! Ek probeer niemand aanval nie maar ek dink my engels krap sekere manne om, of hul gewete. Dus gee ek maar min om vir hulle. As RPM my PM en sê hokaai dan sal ek waai. Nie waneer 'n mod of ANC aktivis dit voorstel nie.
Ek hoop Ignacio sal die kan verstaan en dan ophou om agter my aan the drentel met sy powere aanmerkings. Hy weet nie hoe om subtiel te wees nie. Soos sy aanmerking hier bo! Lyk my hy dink hy is aangestel as regter van die forum of is net eens verveeld. Nog kinds sal ek sê!

[pupa]

ai ai ai.... basically tis
ALL still about CHOICE is it not? I do find pupa's threads very gloomy however true they may be and I CHOOSE to mostly skip them - no problem :D

"lying bully boy" and i surely misread this? U werent for one minute implying that IC fitted that description? ROFLMAO !!!!! IC is lovely and the furthest thing from a lying bully boy i can think of *cacklin.....

CacklinTard
__________
Downright DAngerously Dim-witted:D
Dankie ou parra man, dit is soos jy sê, vrye keuse, Die feite is feite en probleme is probleme, maar elkeen is vry om dit te ignoreer of te verbloem of om iets daaromtrent te doen. Lekker lag verder!

[ajak]

Nothing wrong with my code - security blanket as in what toddlers like to drag around with them, and these days it seems having a security guard about is a dangerous thing to do.

You got babies?:D

[Skeptik]

Research shows there is a tendency amongst new parents to talk to people like they do their small children. I would also like to know ;-)

[ajak]

Yep, there are a number of crying babies on the forum...:p :D.

JA NEE Mr Bot,ek voel vir hulle soos n ma met n hout tiet.

[pupa]

Oppas net hulle sal hom brand, vuurmaak hout, daar is nie meer krag nie! :D

[pupa]

Yep, there are a number of crying babies on the forum...:p :D.
Cry me a River, on their behalf!

[tibby.dude]

Ignacio will be the happiest fool on this forum followed by Tibby, Angelo, SteveV ...........and a few others, they know who they are.

PS! You will save me a lot of time and money!

Not really Pupa.

Although I don't agree with your politics I certainly don't believe in censorship or silencing people for holding different viewpoints but as the bible says there is a time and place for everything.

[pupa]

Not really Pupa.

Although I don't agree with your politics I certainly don't believe in censorship or silencing people for holding different viewpoints but as the bible says there is a time and place for everything.
Tibbs I don't have a policy on politics or any political agenda. I hate it. I cry for the millions of have nots and others that now are unwillingly forced into the same situation, by our GVT that feels nothing for the PPL.

[tibby.dude]

I cry for the millions of have nots and others that now are unwillingly forced into the same situation, by our GVT that feels nothing for the PPL.

The "millions of people" who you are crying for and who incidently mostly voted ANC are not stupid monkeys Pupa ... why must you think for them ... is it your degree and education that makes you think that your opinion counts for more because you can supposedly see it and they can't ???.

Stop trying to save the world and step back from it and let people make up their own minds about what they want from it and respect their decisions whether you agree with it or not.

Also this forum is not the place to do it either ... stand for elections yourself and gather like minded people around you as you will be FAR more effective this way.

Posting negative newspaper clippings on a daily basis is not the way to do it.

[pip]

Although I don't agree with your politics I certainly don't believe in censorship or silencing people for holding different viewpoints

Must be a cold day in hell - I'm agreeing with tibby!

[Skeptik]

Yep, there are a number of crying babies on the forum...:p :D.
Flippancy is definitely your strongpoint. I'll take that as a yes.

(You would do well in the ANC government - never reply to a straight question eh?):D

[pupa]

The "millions of people" who you are crying for and who incidently mostly voted ANC are not stupid monkeys Pupa ... why must you think for them ... is it your degree and education that makes you think that your opinion counts for more because you can supposedly see it and they can't ???.

Stop trying to save the world and step back from it and let people make up their own minds about what they want from it and respect their decisions whether you agree with it or not.

Also this forum is not the place to do it either ... stand for elections yourself and gather like minded people around you as you will be FAR more effective this way.

Posting negative newspaper clippings on a daily basis is not the way to do it.
You may have aborted the ANC membership but your thought patterns never changed, Same simple African mindset we got accustomed too. Where do these millions get their information. Most do not even know Internet exists, they take what they see and get as they experience life thinking that is just what it is as they have no parallels to draw on! Posting facts to show how this mindset of yours and the ANC GVT for that matter feel and do little for their PPL, the poor ( same as Telkom for their customers, I wonder why?), and give them a false impression of well being while they are exploited for own gain! is appropriate. We do post in the Off Topic section under News and Current affairs. So the section created for this news. We also present the facts of life in South Africa! BTW I just heard on the radio The Minister of transport states it not only their job to inspect roads and traffic problems as the citizens must do their job and report these problems. That was in response to the reports and questions regards to traffic accidents due to the bad conditions of the road. Thus an excuse for preventative maintenance, just will repair as we tag along when someone complained after some accidents happened maybe. The dead can surely not complain and we can afford the loss of life with this argument? Funny he did not refer to the previous regime! Typical same mindset and excuses for lack of competance. I you would believe it! Just an off topic example of what we cannot discuss on the forum cause you do not like it! We have to discuss where he states he will only repair the roads at least when someone reports it! Maybe he has shares in the cell Company's!

[tibby.dude]

Where do these millions get their information. Most do not even know Internet exists, they take what they see and get as they experience life thinking that is just what it is as they have no parallels to draw on!

Frankly I prefer the "simple" African mindset as you state if smart educated western people elect simpletons, utter frauds and liars and master of the sound bite like Blair and Bush to power even when they have access to the Internet :).

Now they want to ban same sex marriages while their troops massacre and torturing innocent people and they are busy loosing an immoral war halfway around the world all the while a madman is busy developing nuclear weapons right under their noses.

I prefer Mbeki and the ANC to these idiots no thanks.

[ignacio]

Frankly I prefer the "simple" African mindset as you state if smart educated western people elect simpletons, utter frauds and liars and master of the sound bite like Blair and Bush to power even when they have access to the Internet :).

Now they want to ban same sex marriages while their troops massacre and torturing innocent people and they are busy loosing an immoral war halfway around the world all the while a madman is busy developing nuclear weapons right under their noses.

I prefer Mbeki and the ANC to these idiots no thanks.Massacring? Surely you mean the insurgents... maybe you can debate the legality of the war, the immorality would depend on who you are - maybe if you were one of the oppressed Kurds who are now liberated you might consider differently.

But the most insane comment in this is a preference of Mbeki to that... you would prefer a egomaniacal dictator, who has driven his country's economy into the ground, destroyed civil liberties, killed thousands, imprisoned thousands more... and with NO END IN SITE (unlike with America, where Bush's reign is going to end). That there is crazy talk.

[tibby.dude]

Massacring?

You don't read Time Magazine or even the internet I take it ???.

Recent case in Haditha when the Kilo company of the Marine detachment in that town when "bos bevok" when one of their own were killed by a IED and they killed 24 people including woman and children.

Several similiar "incidents" are now under investigation.

And you talk about civil liberties we lost ... are you utterly mad ... do you even follow the same news as I do ???.

NSA domestic illegal spying on your phonecall records and internet traffic
ISP now having been requested to keep ALLl your internet traffic for two years ???.

That is happening in the US and not S.A.

[pip]

Now they want to ban same sex marriages while their troops massacre and torturing innocent people and they are busy loosing an immoral war halfway around the world

Dismounting my high horse for a second, I have to agree with you. I loathe our govt but would take them waaaaaay before GWBush. Don't forget what the yanks are doing to screw the Palestinians either.

[pip]

Recent case in Haditha when the Kilo company of the Marine detachment in that town when "bos bevok" when one of their own were killed by a IED and they killed 24 people including woman and children.

Takes you back to Lt. Calley and the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.

[ignacio]

You don't read Time Magazine or even the internet I take it ???.

Recent case in Haditha when the Kilo company of the Marine detachment in that town when "bos bevok" when one of their own were killed by a IED and they killed 24 people including woman and children. I prefer to use the real definition of the word (http://www.answers.com/massacring&r=67) - not the one you would like to make up - and no, size wise, these incidents, as offensive and unjustifed as they may be, can't be considered a massacre. The insurgents, on the other hand, have been involved in plenty of massacres.



And you talk about civil liberties we lost ... are you utterly mad ... do you even follow the same news as I do ???.Don't know where delusional people get their news, so I can't answer that.


NSA domestic illegal spying on your phonecall records and internet traffic
ISP now having been requested to keep ALLl your internet traffic for two years ???.BFD - we have babies raped here and you are worried that someone will see you like porn.... like duh.

EDIT: maybe this should be taken elsewhere... thread is derailed enough...

[neio]

Personally I would rather vote for Bush than for Mbeki, at least Bush has got solid views on abortion. Mbeki and the ANC are all for the killing of babies whilst they are still in the womb.

[tibby.dude]

The insurgents, on the other hand, have been involved in plenty of massacres.

So is this carte blanche for the US forces to indulge in a bit of their own ???.

When you take the moral high ground like the Americans have done in this conflict then your behaviour best reflect that no matter what the other side does.

[tibby.dude]

Personally I would rather vote for Bush than for Mbeki, at least Bush has got solid views on abortion. Mbeki and the ANC are all for the killing of babies whilst they are still in the womb.

And you must not be aware and so utter ignorant clueless as always to write this nonsense and claptrap that in the US that abortion is very much legal like here regardless of what Bush personal views are.

By the same virtue and using your idiotic reasoning we can conclude that Bush and the Republican Party in the USA are a bunch of baby killers as well since abortion is done in the US.

[pupa]

......elect simpletons, utter frauds and liars and master of the sound bite .
G@d for a moment I though you are defining the ANC and GVT. I had to re-read to see that you now jumped on Bush and Blair not unlike the Idiot Mugabe would do! Confirms my point and case exactly. Thanx!

[ignacio]

So is this carte blanche for the US forces to indulge in a bit of their own ???.Absolutely not - and the Americans don't think so either - and will prosecute those involved... as they did with Abu Gharib. Clearly you will have your "bad apples" in any situation and war will only magnify "bad apple" traits... so the question on America's ethics on the matter shouldn't revolve around whther such incidents happen at all (since controlling how humans act in all situations is bascially impossible), but should rather focus on how America deals with such incidents... I think in that respect they have done fine: they are willing to prosecute "their own" and willing - for the most part - to admit to screw ups.

[pupa]

You don't read Time Magazine or even the internet I take it ???.

Recent case in Haditha when the Kilo company of the Marine detachment in that town when "bos bevok" when one of their own were killed by a IED and they killed 24 people including woman and children.
Now locally we do not have a war, Yet kids are maimed massacred and raped! What is the difference. Now we are deemed a normal society in your simplistic views! BTW the company were declared as doing their Job as the insurgents is hiding between the masses for obvious reasons! The are the murderer. Not Bush and Kie. If they stop Bush will pull out. If Bush pulls out there will be civil war. So what is the Best? Stick with the topic and local issues.

ARE THE MODS BIASED? . NO!

[ajak]

http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=44814

[pupa]

:D :D :D :D
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=44814

[neio]

And you must not be aware and so utter ignorant clueless as always to write this nonsense and claptrap that in the US that abortion is very much legal like here regardless of what Bush personal views are.

By the same virtue and using your idiotic reasoning we can conclude that Bush and the Republican Party in the USA are a bunch of baby killers as well since abortion is done in the US.

Rubbish tibby, the ANC gov stifles any discussion regarding a referendum about abortion, at least the Bush gov and the Republicans have very publicly stated they want to stop abortions, Bush even stopped late term abortions by law.

Actions speak louder than words.

It's the liberal tree huggers who would rather save a tree from being cut down than stop an abortion who are fighting the proposed laws to stop abortions completely in the states.

PS, you're on a slippery slope if you start with words like "so utter ignorant clueless" and "your idiotic reasoning"
Please refrain from starting a flame war. :)

[ajak]

http://radicalacademy.com/adiphiloessay205.htm

[ignacio]

http://radicalacademy.com/adiphiloessay205.htm
Mispost?

[ajak]

Mispost?
No why?got a nerve?

[ignacio]

No why?got a nerve?No - just didn't seem to be related to anything in the thread.

[Angelo]

Good to see a general attack against immorality regardless of political allegiance, if only it was in the right threads.

[pupa]

Mispost?
Why? I did not read it, not loading, but this have as much relevance to this thread topic as Tibbys hijack as well as mating with animals!


No - just didn't seem to be related to anything in the thread.


Good to see a general attack against immorality regardless of political allegiance, if only it was in the right threads.

[neio]

True, I was simply adressing a biased attack against the US seeing as the thread was already derailed.

[neio]

Get back to Topic or start another thread on this debate!

Oh the irony:p

[ignacio]

Why? I did not read it, not loading, but this have as much relevance to this thread topic as Tibbys hijack as well as mating with animals!Yeah - I was only asking what it had to do with the thread... he posted the link without comment, so we don't know what he wanted to say.

[tibby.dude]

Actions speak louder than words.

Read up a bit on Roe vs Wade and the Supreme Court neio and realize that it is not Bush's or the GOP call.

They are just posturing on this like the sudden ban on same sex marriages because of mid term elections that are around the corner and real issues like the Iraq war that are an embarrasment to them.

[neio]

Exactly tibby, and this is the reason Bush was nominating conservative judges to the supreme court, the same judges who the liberal tree huggers like Al Gore, Mr Environment, tries to block from taking the seat.
(PS do a little research on this fruitcake's use of airplanes to go and spew his cause to the world.)

[ajak]

The primitive mind, like our own, is anxious to find the reasons for what happens, but it does not seek these in the same direction as we do. It moves in a world where innumerable occult powers are everywhere present, and always in action or ready to act.

[ignacio]

The primitive mind, like our ownYou have that part right.

[kilo39]

Nothing more irritating than writing a reply to a thread - then doing a quick reload - and seeing that the thread isn't there anymore??! Disappeared from right under my mouse I tell you - and not the first time!!

What was wrong with the Fair Skinned post - besides the fact it will start a flame war - a worthy flame war in this case/educational for all - but no - too contentious (if I was angelo - the thread starter I would be really upset.) You cannot run one racial thread - the judge thread for instance - and not allow angelo to run his... if this is the case that these threads are going to be deleted then I really think you should just dump the news and current affairs - if can't comment (racial or otherwise) then what is the point!!?

[pip]

Nothing more irritating than writing a reply to a thread - then doing a quick reload - and seeing that the thread isn't there anymore??! Disappeared from right under my mouse I tell you - and not the first time!!

What was wrong with the Fair Skinned post - besides the fact it will start a flame war - a worthy flame war in this case/educational for all - but no - too contentious (if I was angelo - the thread starter I would be really upset.) You cannot run one racial thread - the judge thread for instance - and not allow angelo to run his... if this is the case that these threads are going to be deleted then I really think you should just dump the news and current affairs - if can't comment (racial or otherwise) then what is the point!!?

I mentioned it in the other thread http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=554556&postcount=117

[Angelo]

Nothing more irritating than writing a reply to a thread - then doing a quick reload - and seeing that the thread isn't there anymore??! Disappeared from right under my mouse I tell you - and not the first time!!

What was wrong with the Fair Skinned post - besides the fact it will start a flame war - a worthy flame war in this case/educational for all - but no - too contentious (if I was angelo - the thread starter I would be really upset.) You cannot run one racial thread - the judge thread for instance - and not allow angelo to run his... if this is the case that these threads are going to be deleted then I really think you should just dump the news and current affairs - if can't comment (racial or otherwise) then what is the point!!?

I'm really saddened by that because it would appear views criticising decisions/actions (like the "Judge thread" you refer to) taken by black leaders are more than welcome in the News sections but those doing the reverse are taboo.

It was indeed my intention to bring up what the other side is thinking and for that to be debated for the sake of having a balance. Hearing what the other side thinks helps dispel a lot of assumption (a lot of them outrageous) that people on the forum might have. It's all about abolishing the "two countries" phenomenon though it can't be done overnight.

Maybe it would have been more fair just to lock the thread and let people read views expressed on the article than to delete it if it's too "contentious" to be debated?
If people refuse to listen to some of these things then I'm afraid there will be a lot of rude awakenings out there.

[AntiThesis]

Folks... flame war = bad.

I agree with you Angelo (Who woulda thunk it? :D) that if one racist type thread is closed, all should be. However, I feel I should point out that the history of SA is extremely relevant... 10 years of BEE/"Democracy" vs. hundreds of years of white run racism, apartheid, near slavery :)

The country is sorta right to tiptoe around issues of "White racism" and in my opinion most people are mistaken when they say SA has recovered from the apartheid days...I do kinda wish all of it would just stop.

[DigitalSoldier]

If people refuse to listen to some of these things then I'm afraid there will be a lot of rude awakenings out there.

I agree with u angelo eeek!! But no offence but if u want people to listen u should also be prepared to listen and not just atack people with racism and right wing comments

[DigitalSoldier]

Anti its actually 12 years :D

[pupa]

I agree with u angelo eeek!! But no offence but if u want people to listen u should also be prepared to listen and not just atack people with racism and right wing comments
Soldier that is 100% correct, the oposing view may also be true but that said Its rather the ANC or GVT supporters that start the flaming and naming and referencing, They know who they are!

[tibby.dude]

Exactly tibby, and this is the reason Bush was nominating conservative judges to the supreme court, the same judges who the liberal tree huggers like Al Gore, Mr Environment, tries to block from taking the seat.
(PS do a little research on this fruitcake's use of airplanes to go and spew his cause to the world.)

One of these conservative judges nominated recently already said that abortion is a "settled" law ... all they can do is limited it i.e late term pregnancies etc but not overturn it.

Also global warming is a reality but then fruitcakes like Bush decries science.

[Angelo]

I hereby humbly request a reason at least from the Moderator who deleted my thread to give me a reason for the deletion, in that way I will know what kind of threads to post and it will serve as an example to others who might be interested in creating similar threads.

Thanks.

[lilDeath]

I agree with yor reasoning IC (therefore also with the mod that deleted it).
The subject alone is controversial and was bound to attract emotional and heated responses. This might even be the intention of why such a subject was chosen .... :confused:
I do understand what angelo is saying as to why he wanted to start the thread but then choose a more detached approach IMO.
It goes both ways.
It appears that everybody is trying to attract heated debates purposefully, which eventually leads to flame wars anyway, instead of doing it in a calm and rational fashion.

[kilo39]

That is total nonsense - Angelo's thread was as relevant (if not more so than many others) - how can it be deleted??!

Right now - if I look - there will likely be race based or possibly inflammatory threads running - how is Angelo's less valid??!

Sucks. Sympathy Angelo (I don't agree with your opinion) - but flames are ultimately educational.

[kilo39]

Pity - I thought it was a worthy subject - no less worthy than garlic and lemons. I understand rpm's sentiments and I concur - but the garlic and lemon thread is still running - these are relevant issues to our world today - we NEED to talk about them!?

[lilDeath]

The bottom line is there are MODS to take care of anything that is out of place, however much it may feel that we are aggrieved with their actions or do not agree as to what threads are valid and what not, we are not there to police.
The MODS are.
We must trust their judgement and adhere to the guidelines.

[ajak]

The simplest way of communicating what the guidelines are, is before creating a thread, one should ask oneself whether the subject matter is going to clearly degenerate into a flame war and cause strife amongst forumites, if the answer is yes, then you can be certain that when such a thread comes to the attention of one of the moderators, it will get deleted or locked - the focus of MyADSL has always been ADSL and broadband in general, the rest of what gets discussed in the News & Current Affairs forum is for some a bastion of freedom of speech, but how does a flame war help improve broadband in SA? Rather we moderators spend more time on the broadband issues than on non-broadband flame wars.Well having just skimmed through the thread about Manto's garlic, lemon & beetroot, I don't see a problem with that thread - if it is what Manto said [sure it is - she has spouted this before] then it's hardly likely to result in a flame war - if there are any posts that need moderator attention just report them & one of the moderators will get to it...
By the by,you mods dont help with nappies,snotty noses,and cry babies do you:D

[JungleFacedJake]

By the by,you mods dont help with nappies,snotty noses,and cry babies do you:D

Why? Do you need burping too?

[AcidRaZor]

mods are biased. for instance, a post of mine in this thread explaining my whole saga and why i think they are biased have been deleted

[ajak]

Why? Do you need burping too?

nee stupid,EK SOEK TIET,(as daar n wyfie mod is):D :D And so by the by,where are the female mods?:)

[pupa]

ic
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@pupa, in case you wonder what happened to your post, responding to a reported bad post, I unapproved your post - it is somewhat offensive IMO.
Thanks Ic You made my day, if you did not delete it I would have taken you to task myself. Now these zealots and cry baby's here can see the mods are not biased.
BTW the reason I posted that factual truths, some would not like to hear, is simply I am tired of hearing things about the so called settlers, and colonialists and what harm we have done while we created this country but everyone knows the real truths. We was born here, build this country and we get no thanks just blame for something we were not responsible for. The offensive part was on purpose as I know those facts hurt as that questions I lodged remains valid and has a direct bearing what is happening in the rest of Africa. So if You are going to carry on allowing those attacks against us, the formerly advantaged PPL, I will repeat those phrases until I am banned for life. So to save you some problems maybe its time for you Mods and RPM to weigh up the options. Ban me now! What Dominic posted was exactly what is been said here for the last few months as responses to the ANC ministers Rhetoric's! and when we give our views on this we are sworn at, ridiculed and castrated. So maybe the truth that made that reported as a bad post made the guy that did report it feel as he should! Truths sometimes hurt, especially if you are not happy with what you are or where you come from!

Thanks Again!

[Highflyer_GP]

and when we give our views on this we are sworn at, ridiculed and castrated.
:eek: You got castrated? Who committed such a terrible deed towards you?

kidding :D

[pupa]

:eek: You got castrated? Who committed such a terrible deed towards you?

kidding :D

sTruths Bob! My wife did it for all the time I spend here! :D

[ignacio]

:eek: You got castrated? Who committed such a terrible deed towards you?

kidding :DOne can only hope that this is the case - so future MyADSLers do not have to suffer through the posts of pupa progeny!

:) ( I have to smiley face these things so that pupa knows its a joke)

[ajak]

sTruths Bob! My wife did it for all the time I spend here! :D
cas·ti·gate
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tr.v. cas·ti·gat·ed, cas·ti·gat·ing, cas·ti·gates
1. To inflict severe punishment on. See Synonyms at punish.
2. To criticize severely.

[pupa]

The reason [as I'm sure you realise] that I posted in that thread [which appears to now be closed], is so that you wouldn't have to wonder what happened to your post - I rarely venture into the News & Current Affairs forum, but on this occasion while responding to a reported bad post, I felt you should know which moderator to blame for the disappearance of your post :).
Decency cost nothing, thanks, Some mods to not even leave a message. On that post I would not have cared anyway as I knew it would be short lived!

[pupa]

cas·ti·gate
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1. To inflict severe punishment on. See Synonyms at punish.
2. To criticize severely.
Thanks Ajak the castration was deliberate! :D meaning they cut my balls!

[ajak]

Thanks Ajak the castration was deliberate! :D meaning they cut my balls!
O bliksem(sorry,O, lightning strike...skuus man,excuse me man:D :D

[pupa]

In defence of MyADSL's moderator team [as well as myself on occasion], it is not always appropriate to post a reason attached to each and every post that gets moderated - usually it opens up a debate as to whether or not one or more posts should have been moderated, which undermines our ability to moderate in the first place, what I'm saying is that there are times when quiet removal of one or more posts is preferable, also posting lengthly explanations for each post that gets moderated is a tedious task, which we mostly don't have time for - quick & decisive action is preferable in our busy daily lives :).
Nope, Thats not what I mean, On other forums I saw a line in the post. DELETED? thats it. It up to the forumite to think, re-post properly and maybe rephrase the post. If he repeats the same he is baned for a time period. that's all. If time is essence get more mods. I would offer of course ;) but PPl will blame me as biased so I will abstain rather, I wont delete, just warn and let him edit! But Ajak will be the right guy. There will just be no flame wars!:D
Ignacio is a "god" candidate but unfortunately he will delete everything left or right of the fence :D

[ignacio]

Ignacio is a "god" candidate but unfortunately he will delete everything left or right of the fence :DNah - I am fairly tolerant and I would delete very little - as much as I attack - it is only the horrible stuff that I can't tolerate (like real racist/sexual/personal insults). Because whereas it may be fun to annoy people, it is not right to try to insult them on something they can't change (like race/gender etc). That is why calling out their ignorance or lack of knowledge is fine - they can change that!

[pupa]

Nah - I am fairly tolerant and I would delete very little - as much as I attack - it is only the horrible stuff that I can't tolerate (like real racist/sexual/personal insults). Because whereas it may be fun to annoy people, it is not right to try to insult them on something they can't change (like race/gender etc). That is why calling out their ignorance or lack of knowledge is fine - they can change that!
There You are Ic, Nice candidate well versed and me think, don't know for sure, Afrikaans able?

[mooK]

Delete all the smileys, with them gone we will be free to rip out each others' throats.

[pupa]

Delete all the smileys, with them gone we will be free to rip out each others' throats.
Ol Anti smile Mook, smile man smile!:D

[kilo39]

the focus of MyADSL has always been ADSL and broadband in general, the rest of what gets discussed in the News & Current Affairs forum is for some a bastion of freedom of speech, but how does a flame war help improve broadband in SA? Rather we moderators spend more time on the broadband issues than on non-broadband flame wars.
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Well having just skimmed through the thread about Manto's garlic, lemon & beetroot, I don't see a problem with that thread - if it is what Manto said [sure it is - she has spouted this before] then it's hardly likely to result in a flame war - if there are any posts that need moderator attention just report them & one of the moderators will get to it... Thanks ic for your comments. Yes I admit/agree its been good to have some free speech and for that I thank you guys all. Can we please have a freedom of speech forum/kidding/not - thanks, and in your explanation I begin to see some method trying to curb the madness. Fact: political issues are as real, as relevant as broadband - can there ever be a middle road? Not. Maybe? Politics is the lifeblood of SA - in the UK its the weather.

Anyway. Peace & Supplication

[tibby.dude]

this is due to not wanting to make another mistake like that with the one that shall not be named.

It sounds so sinister :).

[bwana]

**Shudder**

What was it Marx said - I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member. :)

[Highflyer_GP]

Yip don't take it as an insult, IC is not trying to pull our legs :)

[bwana]

Roflmlo

[AntiThesis]

There's always a problem like that on large forums IC. If you look at Uselessjunk.net, they don't even have enough mods to keep things in hand sometimes. Their solution has been the creation of a flame section. I don't think that would work for this forum though.

It's always tough to find trustable people.

[pupa]

...........It's always tough to find trustable people.
Off course, we are in Africa not?

[AntiThesis]

^_^

[pupa]

^_^
Thanks, It would be nice but me wife says NO! something about a headache again! Damn!:D

[dominic]

**Shudder**

What was it Marx said - I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member. :)was that groucho or harpo?

[AntiThesis]

Uselessjunk.net is a friggin huge forum:


Our users have posted a total of 1826072 articles
We have 38803 registered users

Mods have lives? Surely not :D I suppose time is a problem as well as it being tough to find people with that kind of time/multi-tasking capabilities.

*whispers* t'IC bot is quite well spoken isn't he? *un-whispers* :D

[dominic]

Not sure about ic being well spoken& not at all well-read cos doesn't know that Karl Marx had 5 brothers....Chico, Harpo, Gummo, Zeppo and Groucho


:D

[bwana]

was that groucho or harpo?lol - groucho :)

@ic - groucho was brother to harpo, zeppo, gummo and chico. http://www.marx-brothers.org/

@dominic - I see you beat me to it. But careful - ppl might believe you about the Karl Marx connection. :D

[dominic]

k k my bad - ic you are too obscure for me

[AntiThesis]

That is some serious obscurity ic! I betcha could even pass the Turing test :D

[lilDeath]

the one that shall not be named. What does this mean? - well we have discussed the suitability of several forumites for moderatorship going back to last year sometime, and we are still undecided as to who would be a suitable moderator - this is due to not wanting to make another mistake like that with the one that shall not be named...
WTF!!
Lord Voldemort LIVES?
not AGAIN.... ;)

[Angelo]

How much worse was my "Blessed are the fair-skinned" thread compared to the "Whites advantaged blacks" and "Abolish affirmative action" threads currently running!?

[kilo39]

Angelo - as a matter of interest, was your "Blessed are the fair-skinned" a current news story (off a local paper somewhere?) From what I gather on this thread, early posts were already inflammatory - so it was deleted. Pity. But live with it. The world turns.

;)

[Angelo]

Angelo - as a matter of interest, was your "Blessed are the fair-skinned" a current news story (off a local paper somewhere?) From what I gather on this thread, early posts were already inflammatory - so it was deleted. Pity. But live with it. The world turns.

;)
But on the same breath do you think inflammatory posts on the threads running now that I mentioned would get the WHOLE thread deleted or just the posts would be deleted for ***** sake!?:(

[AntiThesis]

I would imagine that if the mods felt that the situation could be salvaged they would just delete the posts. If not then the thread goes. It's really quite simple Angelo.

[icyrus]

But on the same breath do you think inflammatory posts on the threads running now that I mentioned would get the WHOLE thread deleted or just the posts would be deleted for ***** sake!?:(


Didn't see your thread so don't know what the content was but had a look at the Abolish affirmative action" thread you mentioned and there is nothing that inflammatory there. Didn't have a look through whole of the other one as it was quite old.

Was your thread a post about a current news story?

[Angelo]

Didn't see your thread so don't know what the content was but had a look at the Abolish affirmative action" thread you mentioned and there is nothing that inflammatory there. Didn't have a look through whole of the other one as it was quite old.

Was your thread a post about a current news story?
Yes an article written only this past weekend, but I guess it had too many home truths to be left standing.

[Angelo]

Wouldn't know, I certainly didn't have time to read it.
Go to http://www.news24.com/City_Press/Columnists/0,,186-1695_1945099,00.html

[kilo39]

:D Hey Angelo - your thread was deleted - bummer - but live with it dude - it makes no odds in our great forward debate - issues will certainly be re-visited.

/edit/ IOW - stop whinging!! We're all here for a better future! (and you can whine until you're blue in the face :D - got to laugh.)

:p

[lilDeath]

Can someone please change the ambience music?
There appears to be a stuck record.
:D ;)

[Highflyer_GP]

/me plays telkom on-hold music

[AntiThesis]

*cough* One might be tempted to accuse the author of racism there. I'm not saying yay or nay, just that there is a hint.

Regardless, discussions around that topic could be civil but I can quite understand how they might turn very ugly very quickly.

[-toady-]

There are two in the bush an im whippin a dead horse here no doubt but

*this is due to not wanting to make another mistake like that with the one that shall not be named..*

The repeated use of this phrase is wearing me to a SHADE!!! Up until this year ive always put lemon on my hair to create blonde streaks but now? I dont need the lemon anymore and i attribute it directly to this continual referral to WHAT/WHOM?????

Sies an i thought I was ambiguous :eek:

CacklinToad
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[lilDeath]

can I ask the question that is burning within me ?? :D

[bwana]

can I ask the question that is burning within me ?? :DYes - penicillin will clear it right up.

[AntiThesis]

Yes - penicillin will clear it right up.

:D :D :D

[lilDeath]

ROFL :D

@lilDeath, permission denied!
but but mmmaaaa!! ;)

Roffel @ bwana, did it work for you then? :D

[bwana]

Roffel @ bwana, did it work for you then? :DNever had a burning question ;)

[-toady-]

*Yes - penicillin will clear it right up.*

*choking...:D

so the enigma remains :eek:

CacklinTard
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