Caution Please! RPM: Undemocratic actions

[pupa]

This thread was closed before any can respond! http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=45116

Below was my answer and request If it' would please the MyADSL management and give these Left wing Zealots the right of way! please adhere to my request!
I Partook a long time in this Forum before I really got annoyed with the constant abuse against the Afrikaans and White posters here and in the news headlines. This forum have sections where this can be discussed! That made me to decide to show "whoever" the truth of what is happening and at the same time create balance in this forum. It is clear that this truthful campaign has had its effect! Its only fact that the Ministers in their latest budget speeches had the same Rhetoric against the "Settlers" as was apparent on this forum for a long time. If we cannot speak our minds here then Adios!

Hi RPM:
I understand the issue raised and as raised by many Pro ANC GVT members here. They do not like the negative issues and as that is' what is in the headlines daily due to the situation in this country, I think it is important to highlight them for discussion. If that is not wanted then for the first time I will agree with so many guys advocating closing down the Off Topic section and this forum only stick to Broadband issues. If it's raised so the ANC Zealots gets their way, to gain the privilege of sole ownership of this forum's use, and again bearing down to that everything raised anti GVT, the so called Right wingers in this forum as we are labeled, then please be so kind as to delete my membership as I really do not think I would then like to participate in this false impression of good for the country that was developed here!

[kilo39]

Hardly. That is the news!! If there was something positive rest assured we would focus on it. I don't like being negative - WISH I had something positive to say (would really make my day) - but look at it - read the papers; if you only want us to focus on the positive there will be no news - 'cause none of it is positive.

/edit/ well said pupa

[rwenzori]

Hardly. That is the news!! If there was something positive rest assured we would focus on it. I don't like being negative - WISH I had something positive to say (would really make my day) - but look at it - read the papers; if you only want us to focus on the positive there will be no news - 'cause none of it is positive.

/edit/ well said pupa

Well we COULD have daily positive posts following our esteemed President's jols around the world. "President Mbeki had tea with the Queen of England" etc etc.

[bwana]

Its a simple request that encompasses everyone regardless of race, religion, creed or operating system - and I agree with it.
Can you please refrain from any personal attacks or racist remarks.

[JStrike]

pupa : I am not pro ANC (and I suspect neither are many of the people you have an issue with). What we dont like is exactly what RPM said.


...this forum is becoming synonymous with hand picked news from various sites about crime, racism and other negative news regarding South Africa. While we encourage open discussions please refrain from simply positing every article you can find about something negative. It simply becomes counterproductive, especially seen in the holistic view of this forum and what we are trying to achieve.

This is a very fair request

[JStrike]

kilo39 : I can find a ton of good news every day. I, however, dont feel the need to post it here ad nauseum

[louisp]

If we can't speak off topic what is foremost on our minds. Then we should close the off topic section asap!!

All those negative stuff in the news is not some figment of our imagination. It is real issues, faced by real people everyday.

Forcing us to ignore them is restricting our freedom of speech.

Now I understand why RPM would not want any negative stuff on this forum. But who decides what is negative and what is not? Some people may even argue that farm murders are for the positive?? SO either let us speak our minds, discuss the topics and refrain from personal insults or close the off topic section and just discuss broadband issues...

:)

[kilo39]

No JStrike - a simple thread or two per day will do.

As said - perhaps we should focus on the weather when shopping in Emirates.

[RVFmal]

I agree with Pupa (I am not a right wing zealot either).


We have also received complaints from members about the fact that this forum is becoming synonymous with hand picked news from various sites about crime, racism and other negative news regarding South Africa.

All news that is picked from various sites is hand picked. Why is most of it about crime, racism and other negative news? - because it is more prevalent than anything positive!

I hate having to open a newspaper, turn on the news or get a newsletter online as most of it is negative, about crime, corruption, rape, murder, racism etc etc etc.

Why should we close our eyes as to what is actually happening around us daily and not discuss it. Are we to take Mr Ncqakula's (sp?) last speech in parliament to heart and stop complaining, go blue in the face doing so or leave this country? I will opt to continue complaining and highlighting these issues and problems until something gets done about it.

It does not mean I am racist, nor does it mean that I am negative about this country, but I will not become a puppet and follow the leader just because it offends a few people. If that is the case, don't read the threads or posts. If there is no interest in these discussions from the rest of the members, I am sure that these "negative" posts will eventually dry up due to lack of interest, but by taking part in the discussions means that it does hold some interest to those who are complaining.

RPM, please don't start censoring what people post and discuss (within reason of course) as you will start losing membership. As far as I am aware, that is what forums are for, discussions. If this forum is for discussing broadband and telecommunications issues only, then do away with the off-topic and all other "non-related" sections.

[mancombseepgood]

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There are other forums for this kind of thing...

[icyrus]

I realise that some members only post stories that further their agenda or point of view, but as long as they are factual and unbiased stories I don't see the problem with them being posted.

The truth is the truth, besides everyone is free to post uplifting/good news if they want to discuss it with the rest of us.

[ignacio]

pupa : I am not pro ANC (and I suspect neither are many of the people you have an issue with). I am not pro ANC either - but in Pupa's mind you are either pro or anti - anyone who even dares to suggest that the ANC did something halfway ok is a dreaded draadsitter. I am sure the rest of us with rational minds don't live in such a black and white world (in every sense of the expression)

[icyrus]

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There are other forums for this kind of thing...

There are political and or news and current affairs forums specific to SA with an active membership comparable to MyADSL? Could you provide links?

[pupa]

kilo39 : I can find a ton of good news every day. I, however, dont feel the need to post it here ad nauseum
Jstrike the source of most of my news here is what is from Mweb main page, I do not go and handpick the bad news, in fact yesterday I posted a news issue where I asked if we see a trend for the better. So I agree if we can find ANY good developments we will post it, If we cannot then that is an representation of the current situation. Tibby can easily comment and advise with his "inside" knowledge of the ANC what can alter the "suggestion" but all he could come up with was some extreme and stupid comments not unlike the Ministers in their budget speech. So then if this "handpicking" produce false accusations or spread the untruth close off topic down! if it fairly represents the current situation and not as the GVT wants the false impression of well being then, unfortunately that's how it is. We all wish we can like in NZ only talk about the flowers and the one baby that was abused that made their National news. How great would it be, but reality is, IT IS NOT! So please if you do find the tons of good news PM me the link and I will be willing to discuss that too! Thanks Yours only!

[pupa]

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There are other forums for this kind of thing...
Ed this was discussed before many time, Remove the off topic, news and other participating sections of this forum if this is not to be discussed. This is an active forum and public participation is invited. If this becomes a broadband only forum, there is better ones than this about the topic. I will then reduce myself to an avid "ZAR good news only on broadband issues" reader and do not need to be a member of this forum.

[VJB 449]

I am not pro ANC either - but in Pupa's mind you are either pro or anti - anyone who even dares to suggest that the ANC did something halfway ok is a dreaded draadsitter. I am sure the rest of us with rational minds don't live in such a black and white world (in every sense of the expression)

Ha! Attacking the poster, yet again. Pupa is entitled to his viewpoint. If Off Topic is not good for myadsl's image it should be closed down.

[JStrike]

RVFmal, kilo39, et al : Spamming this forum with good news posts is unneccesary. If people want the news, go to news24. The news and current affairs section is there so that if you come accross a news article that you find interesting and want to have a discussion about it, you can post about it here.

What is happening is far beyond that. These posts are coming from just a couple of people, the most prominant of them has *publicly* stated in *this forum* that his reason for doing so it to get people to leave SA. Now, I find that completly unacceptable

[ajak]

RVFmal, kilo39, et al : Spamming this forum with good news posts is unneccesary. If people want the news, go to news24. The news and current affairs section is there so that if you come accross a news article that you find interesting and want to have a discussion about it, you can post about it here.

What is happening is far beyond that. These posts are coming from just a couple of people, the most prominant of them has *publicly* stated in *this forum* that his reason for doing so it to get people to leave SA. Now, I find that completly unacceptable

ME:D :D :D

[pupa]

I am not pro ANC either - but in Pupa's mind you are either pro or anti - anyone who even dares to suggest that the ANC did something halfway ok is a dreaded draadsitter. I am sure the rest of us with rational minds don't live in such a black and white world (in every sense of the expression)
Here's Ignacio again! Ignacio is the simple example of being his normal self. it really does not effect me neither would change my mind as he never posted anything factional or rational for that matter! He is always first to post on what I say and it actually make me think again if I should question my post and 9/10 a fail to see any reason or fact that warants my post to be questioned or changed.

[RVFmal]

These posts are coming from just a couple of people, the most prominant of them has *publicly* stated in *this forum* that his reason for doing so it to get people to leave SA. Now, I find that completly unacceptable

Then take those specific members to task. I do not see why we as members who do not partake in actions such as that have to be curtailed because of it.

[JStrike]

pupa : I have sent you a pm with the links you wanted

[pupa]

Back to the topic! The underlined cross correlation of different news articles you will not find on one single paper, News have to be read and evaluated over many snippets to get to the true story of whats happening, A forum like this where related news issues are reflected and reference to is the ideal place for that. If that highlight specifics the pro ANC members do not like to see on a prominent forum as MyADSL then that's too bad. Sad would be the day that that is removed for the sake of the ANC to further their false claim of well being in this country!

[ignacio]

Here's Ignacio again! Ignacio is the simple example of being his normal self. it really does not effect me neither would change my mind as he never posted anything factional or rational for that matter! He is always first to post on what I say and it actually make me think again if I should question my post and 9/10 a fail to see any reason or fact that warants my post to be questioned or changed.Being an independent and impartial forumite (except where Telkom is involved) I agree with you that I try not to post factionally. Thanks for noticing.

[pupa]

Thanks for the PM J Strike, I will evaluate them and if pertinent to our current situation will start threads regards these issue. Only question is why most is from M&G and little of them appeared on Mweb if any!



From PM
Hi pupa

Here are some links for you to post. Remember to link to each on in a new thread.

JSE joins elite club of listed bourses

http://mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?are...ticleid=273694

Ballet catches on in South Africa's townships

http://mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?are...ticleid=273617

Pupils build tower of blankets to help poor

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...0015289C472450

Third World classrooms move to the web

http://mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?art..._news__africa/

Mbeki: Challenge for Africa is the capacity to change

http://mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?art..._news__africa/
Forgot some

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Some more

Africa's glass 'more than half full'

http://mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?art...ews__business/

'Africa's new business fund will work'

http://mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?art...ews__business/

[pupa]

Being an independent and impartial forumite (except where Telkom is involved) I agree with you that I try not to post factionally. Thanks for noticing.
Thanks for the agreement that I stated facts, again! Please I do not want to make this thread a discussion between me and You (as with you and others) thus start another post if you feel it deemed necessary!

[JStrike]

pupa :MWeb? Didn't even know they had news. Never really go to their site

RVFmal : That has been tried. Clearly RPM thought it wasn't working

[ignacio]

Thanks for the agreement that I stated facts, again! Please I do not want to make this thread a discussion between me and You (as with you and others) thus start another post if you feel it deemed necessary!You clearly have no idea what the difference between factional and factual is - so let's leave it at that.

[ajak]

Well, why didn't you say so?

01 June 2006 11:59
Readers may have learnt by now that the Steve Tshwete municipality in Middelburg, still paying off a R35-million loan to the national Treasury, is going to spend R300 000 on an inauguration party for its new mayor. What they may not have heard is the compelling defence provided for this expenditure. According to News24, chief whip Mike Masinga said that the ANC councillors “were unanimous in their decision to spend the money”. Well hell, that changes everything!

What’s in a name?
Lemmer knows the Western media have a jaundiced view of Africa, but jislaaik, couldn’t Reuters have found a correspondent to cover the Darfur catastrophe who was called something other than Opheera McDoom?

And still she talks
According to news reports Minister of Denial Manto Tshabalala-Msimang was “inspired” by the courage of Ruth Bhengu in dealing with her daughter’s HIV/Aids. Lemmer is happy for the minister that she’s feeling so affirmed, even if it is by unnecessary deaths, but is still left wondering whether this is the sort of inspiration that leads to logical, medically sound action or the kind that simply sounds maternal on public statements faxed from Zurich.

[lucifir]

come on guys ... can't we all just get along :) ... seriously though .... we all have our own viewpoints ... but forcing them onto others is not doing anybody any good. we are all on this forum because we HATE TELSKUM .... but since the news in that area is few and far between .... the off-topic has been quite entertaining ..... I think that ppl should be allowed to post good or bad articles ... that is their preference .... but what rpm asked is correct ... there is no need to pick on anyone or their beliefs ... can't you guys just agree to disagree??
Pupa and ignacio ... not sure whats going on with u guys .... but u might wanna take a break from each other for a while :) (my 2cents)

[Debbie]

Why can't everyone just respect what rpm is asking? All he is asking is for everyone to tone it down a bit.

Saying that it's 'undemocratic' to stop a plethora of 'good news' or 'bad news' threads just doesn't hold. Yes this is a democracy. But that means that you may say what you like in your own space. It does not mean that others are required to afford you this space. rpm does not have to tolerate anyone using his 'space' against his wishes.

This is rpm's 'space', and if he is worried about something, then I think we should respect his requests.

[pupa]

come on guys ... can't we all just get along :) ... seriously though .... we all have our own viewpoints ... but forcing them onto others is not doing anybody any good. we are all on this forum because we HATE TELSKUM .... but since the news in that area is few and far between .... the off-topic has been quite entertaining ..... I think that ppl should be allowed to post good or bad articles ... that is their preference .... but what rpm asked is correct ... there is no need to pick on anyone or their beliefs ... can't you guys just agree to disagree??
Pupa and ignacio ... not sure whats going on with u guys .... but u might wanna take a break from each other for a while :) (my 2cents)
I have nothing against him except he buts in anywhere with no contribution to the topic but to stirr! On the internet they define it as trolling!

[rwenzori]

It simply becomes counterproductive, especially seen in the holistic view of this forum and what we are trying to achieve.

Is there some thread or page that sets this holistic view and the forum aims out in some detail?

[Angelo]

Thanks for the PM J Strike, I will evaluate them and if pertinent to our current situation will start threads regards these issue. Only question is why most is from M&G and little of them appeared on Mweb if any!
Yes maybe that's the question you should ask, why does your "source" report only the negative?

[rwenzori]

This is rpm's 'space', and if he is worried about something, then I think we should respect his requests.

In one sense it is, in another it has a life of its own. Without the members and visitors, MyADSL has no power as a lobby group / consumer group or whatever. In a way we need each other. But respect for rpm - sure!

[pupa]

Why can't everyone just respect what rpm is asking? All he is asking is for everyone to tone it down a bit.

Saying that it's 'undemocratic' to stop a plethora of 'good news' or 'bad news' threads just doesn't hold. Yes this is a democracy. But that means that you may say what you like in your own space. It does not mean that others are required to afford you this space. rpm does not have to tolerate anyone using his 'space' against his wishes.

This is rpm's 'space', and if he is worried about something, then I think we should respect his requests.
Right Debbie we understand what RPM says, Look at posters in other threads after this request and see where it all comes from! Simple really, RPM defines what he want on the forum, if he does not want a news section let him be the adjudicator. If you want to see where all this comes from in the last two months go read the news threads! See the typical security ministers Rhetoric adamant on this forum and if its questioned then the abuse and flaming begins. Especially if you have an Afrikaans nic or writing style or you are post is perceived as anti ANC! Then the race card is drawn! Now these news events are "hand picket" whatever that means to achieve what? For me it is to show the disparity between the GVT institutions depending who they are dealing with! For them they blame racism or whatever other excuse they could dig up, not unlike Telkom, and them if that fails they jump on some rhetoric about the past, Decades ago! My point of this is simple If we cannot discuss the main headlines and the issues at hand of the day What are we doing here! If MyADSL must become an elitist political GVT voice only then I'm outta here fast!

[Debbie]

In one sense it is, in another it has a life of its own. Without the members and visitors, MyADSL has no power as a lobby group / consumer group or whatever. In a way we need each other. But respect for rpm - sure!

Yeah I just think that for MyADSL to progress good leadership is necessary, and good leadership sometimes entails autocratic decisions. Even Nelson Mandela himself propounded this view, and he was known within the ANC for acting autocratically within the organisation.

[pupa]

Yes maybe that's the question you should ask, why does your "source" report only the negative?

Feel free, Call mweb, the largest other than Telkom and ask them!
They print the current news, effecting your life now as it happens or as it becomes available. They are not a mouthpiece for the ANC if that is what you want, then you can read cosatu's news page and BTW you will see even they have the same fears and problems now, as we see it a while already!

[Debbie]

Simple really, RPM defines what he want on the forum

....and is it not his right to do so?

[rwenzori]

Even Nelson Mandela himself propounded this view, and he was known within the ANC for acting autocratically within the organisation.

I'm sure Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin did too. :p

[pupa]

....and is it not his right to do so?
Of course and RPM knows how many a time I came in his defense when PPL attacked RPM or wanted to alter the forum for their own agendas! RPM always had the view of freedom of speech and little censorship. Highly admired! As long as that does not entail now that that rights will have to be given up because of a certain crowd that think that this forum does not create the favorable picture or does not present the "demographics" of the land. Facts represented here is facts, No one could as yet claim the posts made were fabricated! This forum became a discussion venue of current news and events in South Africa as a whole and in the broadband arena as they cannot be separated. The GVT own most of the Communications of this land and as such it will be not possible to separate politics from broadband! agreement

[JStrike]

pupa : Maybe you should read MG and even more imporrtantly, fin24. It is much more uplifting and is almost always good news. It will maybe make you feel a bit better than when you are being bombarded with negative stories (which I dont want done here either)

[ignacio]

....and is it not his right to do so?Exactly - when I hear about "freedom of speech" or "antidemocratic" I can only laugh - since when did RPM create this site for freedom of speech or to have all viewpoints on any number of subjects? He created this site primarily for broadband related discussion and activism, and threw in other forums as a side attraction. If you want pure, uncensored freedom of speech - build your own site or start a blog in which you can rail on and on about how miserable your life in South Africa is... nobody is stopping you. MyADSL - and its goals - do not need to be destroyed or compromised by catering to your selfish "freedom of speech".

[pupa]

pupa : Maybe you should read MG and even more imporrtantly, fin24. It is much more uplifting and is almost always good news. It will maybe make you feel a bit better than when you are being bombarded with negative stories (which I dont want done here either)
I read some of those links you PM'd! No direct bearing on the events of the day or what will help the poor gain a better life now, sometime in future yes! Like the NepaD E-schools! Nepad have lots of dreams for Africa, as yet there need to be seen something on the ground for that efforts. Only ones gained is the politicians, In fact ours is never here they are on a trip! Literally and figural! Well that's for another thread! Point is now I cannot see why MyADSL must change because a does not suit a few with their own Agenda's, Stick with the topic at hand and discuss the issue, leave the man, Play the ball not his head!

[JBFRobisher]

MyADSL - and its goals - do not need to be destroyed or compromised by catering to your selfish "freedom of speech".

My my. Looks like since rpm came down hard on the right, the left are getting excited and uppity!
:eek:

[pupa]

Exactly - when I hear about "freedom of speech" or "antidemocratic" I can only laugh - since when did RPM create this site for freedom of speech or to have all viewpoints on any number of subjects? He created this site primarily for broadband related discussion and activism, and threw in other forums as a side attraction. If you want pure, uncensored freedom of speech - build your own site or start a blog in which you can rail on and on about how miserable your life in South Africa is... nobody is stopping you. MyADSL - and its goals - do not need to be destroyed or compromised by catering to your selfish "freedom of speech".[
Now as someone, which is a moderator stated. Another typical comment on How not to do it. Goodness for 3XX post you know it and be it all. What a young arogant foolish attitude ,Yours high and mighty have. As I said You cannot refrain from commenting with rhetorics instead of facts! I was on this forum before you were born (:) ), thus dry your nose, clean your ears and wakey up!

[tibby.dude]

pupa : I am not pro ANC (and I suspect neither are many of the people you have an issue with).

Pupa must also have forgotten that I mentioned on this forum that

a) My ANC membership has lapsed some time ago
b) I voted for the ACDP in the elections.

But then Pupa is utterly and totally paranoid and suffers from a persecution complex it seems and sees a commie or ANC Left Wing Zealot (just examine his abusive language when describing them) behind every posting who does not agree with his point of view.

I am rather glad the mods have finally put a stop to his futile crusade .... thanks rpm :).

[pip]

Personally I am sick and tired of being told what one can and can't say here. What's the point?

[ignacio]

Now as someone, which is a moderator stated. Another typical comment on How not to do it. Goodness for 3XX post you know it and be it all. What a young arogant foolish attitude ,Yours high and mighty have. As I said You cannot refrain from commenting with rhetorics instead of facts! I was on this forum before you were born (:) ), thus dry your nose, clean your ears and wakey up!My comments weren't directed at you - so I am not sure what you are so upset about. This forum isn't for my own selfish "freedom of speech" either. Try to calm down.

[tibby.dude]

Personally I am sick and tired of being told what one can and can't say here. What's the point?

Then start your own forum.

[pip]

But then Pupa is utterly and totally paranoid and suffers from a persecution complex it seems



Can you please refrain from any personal attacks

Lets see if the mods are consistent and take tibby.dude to task.

[pip]

Then start your own forum.

Nah - I'd rather change the system from within. :p

[Myrrdin]

I quote "No generalization is wholly true, not even this one." as said by Oliver Wendell Holmes.

Anyone who posts a news article as far as I am concerned makes an assumption and a generalisation which are both in error.

The assumption is that I am incapable of reading other news sources and drawing my own conclusions. I like reading RPM's news posts on the main page because they are either original material or referrable barkers ie "want to know more go to".

The generalisation you make is that I have read the article and did not understand it (or the horror of it). Warning me of some impending doom which I have missed.

Every news article is written with a viewpoint. That is why some people like reading M&G and others like reading Die Son. Different strokes for different folks. So posting a single article you are in fact supporting the original author's point of view and lending creadance to it. And you are getting the exact response that you want. I do not wish to demean some of the more balanced regular posters out there but I find that the most inflamatory comments are usually from the same people.

Do not get me wrong at times my blood boils as well at some of the articles but I think what RPM is advocating is a balanced view on the forum as a whole. Having 20 plus new threads a day each with a news article raped from another source is counter productive. If you really feel the need to raise a point and then offer a solution to alleviating the situation I am sure that no-one would object.

So RPM has my support on this issue.

[kilo39]

Some of todays headlines off iol (and today is a good day!)

Don't bad mouth partners, says alliance
Tensions high in Ezinqoleni
Yengeni misses appeal deadline: report
SACP may go it alone at polls
Leon goes to cops about Tafelsig pamphlet
'Omit hearsay evidence,' court hears
Schools security to be beefed up, says Pandor
No jail for Yengeni - yet
Hoax emails: Kunene appears in court
Life not a gas for poor households
Pupils build tower of blankets to help poor
Cape Town shacks get waterproofing
Barcelona shirt to be auctioned for children
Ballet catches on in townships
Cyclist found dead near Bloemfontein
Bothaville mayor killed in accident
Probe into Gautrain Centurion route
Family buries four victims of taxi crash
Police still searching for driver after crash

If talking about it equates to whinging - then lets not talk about it - let's pretend everything is hunky dory!!

[tibby.dude]

Lets see if the mods are consistent and take tibby.dude to task.

That was an opinion rendered on his mental state and certainly not a personal attack ... learn the difference pippie.

[ajak]

Some of todays headlines off iol (and today is a good day!)

Don't bad mouth partners, says alliance
Tensions high in Ezinqoleni
Yengeni misses appeal deadline: report
SACP may go it alone at polls
Leon goes to cops about Tafelsig pamphlet
'Omit hearsay evidence,' court hears
Schools security to be beefed up, says Pandor
No jail for Yengeni - yet
Hoax emails: Kunene appears in court
Life not a gas for poor households
Pupils build tower of blankets to help poor
Cape Town shacks get waterproofing
Barcelona shirt to be auctioned for children
Ballet catches on in townships
Cyclist found dead near Bloemfontein
Bothaville mayor killed in accident
Probe into Gautrain Centurion route
Family buries four victims of taxi crash
Police still searching for driver after crash

If talking about it equates to whinging - then lets not talk about it - let's pretend everything is hunky dory!!
Ek kil-over en lag my g@t af(sorry my agterent/bodde/sterre:D :D

[pip]

That was an opinion rendered on his mental state and certainly not a personal attack ... learn the difference pippie.

So if I were, heaven forbid, to call you a moron, that would be "an opinion rendered on" your "mental state and certainly not a personal attack"? Think again tabbie!

[Vio]

I mostely advocate freedom of speech and expresion, but I must say that re-posting every single news article you can find is a bit anoying for me.

All that RPM is saying is slow down guys, think a bit, its not necasary to repost every scrap of news you can find on mail and guardian and news24. If you find a item interesting and think it is interesting information or can stimulate debate fine post it. But if its the same old same old day in and day out then it is not news worthy.

Personaly I think MyADSL's front page news has started suffering from a similar trend. I've been seeing alot of non-technology/broadband/itc politics news poping onto the front page. I must say I am a bit anoyed that the front page news has detracted a bit from our main focus.

I think in reacent times "politics" seem to have invaded the MyADSL forum. A simple solution to this problem would be to just start a MyPolitics(Hahaha or even a MyOfftopic lol) and then the political opinions and what have you would be taken out of the broadband context. I think this is what allot of people object to, the fact being that a broadband forum is used to debate politics 70%(random guess) of the time.

Regarding the heated debate and/or flaming, I think it is important to just take a step back before you click that post button and think, am I posting out of anger or am I posting out of intelect/debate. I must say I have been guilty of posting out of anger and sadness quite a few times. I am only human after all. It is important to also realise that when people respond in anger they are also only human.

[Myrrdin]

Some of todays headlines off iol (and today is a good day!)

Don't bad mouth partners, says alliance
Tensions high in Ezinqoleni
Yengeni misses appeal deadline: report
SACP may go it alone at polls
Leon goes to cops about Tafelsig pamphlet
'Omit hearsay evidence,' court hears
Schools security to be beefed up, says Pandor
No jail for Yengeni - yet
Hoax emails: Kunene appears in court
Life not a gas for poor households
Pupils build tower of blankets to help poor
Cape Town shacks get waterproofing
Barcelona shirt to be auctioned for children
Ballet catches on in townships
Cyclist found dead near Bloemfontein
Bothaville mayor killed in accident
Probe into Gautrain Centurion route
Family buries four victims of taxi crash
Police still searching for driver after crash

If talking about it equates to whinging - then lets not talk about it - let's pretend everything is hunky dory!!

They clearly drew your attention. They are what are commonly referred to as barkers, google it. I have not read any of these articles but am going to do a little exercise. You decide if you would have read the article with my barker instead of theirs.

Don't bad mouth partners, says alliance
Alliance partners disagree over policy

Tensions high in Ezinqoleni
Electirical wires sing in cold weather

'Omit hearsay evidence,' court hears
Court affirms international practice

Barcelona shirt to be auctioned for children
Innovative use of Barcelona shirt for charity

I think I've made my point.

[pupa]

Pupa must also have forgotten that I mentioned on this forum that

a) My ANC membership has lapsed some time ago
b) I voted for the ACDP in the elections.

But then Pupa is utterly and totally paranoid and suffers from a persecution complex it seems and sees a commie or ANC Left Wing Zealot (just examine his abusive language when describing them) behind every posting who does not agree with his point of view.

I am rather glad the mods have finally put a stop to his futile crusade .... thanks rpm :).
In your mind Yes! I have nothing against the ANC, I wll even vote for them if I think it will improve the current situation. I never knew you resigned, at least not from your posts. If the National party was still in power under the current conditions I would have voted for the furthest left party if that would have made any difference. The ANC=The GVT=The problems of the POOR (all of them) the new poor (created by them) and the bad conditions in this country. So ho to blame then. Apartheid, as some of you stated so many times, a decade+ later. So if my crusade will inform the brainwashed majority that the country is not in such a prime condition as the ANC claims then so it will be. If they do good I will support them. I have yet to find that situation as a White Afrikaans South African and so are many living close, by a few blocks away, at the Squatter camp!

[Vio]

In your mind Yes! I have nothing against the ANC, I wll even vote for them if I think it will improve the current situation. I never knew you resigned, at least not from your posts. If the National party was still in power under the current conditions I would have voted for the furthest left party if that would have made any difference. The ANC=The GVT=The problems of the POOR (all of them) the new poor (created by them) and the bad conditions in this country. So ho to blame then. Apartheid, as some of you stated so many times, a decade+ later. So if my crusade will inform the brainwashed majority that the country is not in such a prime condition as the ANC claims then so it will be. If they do good I will support them. I have yet to find that situation as a White Afrikaans South African and so are many living close, by a few blocks away, at the Squatter camp!

Plz don't derail the thread :) The issue is not your political affinity but rather rpm's decree. :D

[pupa]

Lets see if the mods are consistent and take tibby.dude to task.
Tibby and Ignacio have no idea what it means to stick to the ball. That where ...never mind. I presume feeble minds are abound all over!

[ajak]

I think that MyAdsl should be purely technical and solely concern broadband/ gaming and technical aspects, the only discussions allowed must these topics. All other topics should be banned. I don’t post in those topics, but am very interested in them, so a visitor I will become. Let Myadsl take away as many members from other tecchie forums as possible. :mad:

[ignacio]

Tibby and Ignacio have no idea what it means to stick to the ball. That where ...never mind. I presume feeble minds are abound all over!Sticking to his balls, once more.

[pupa]

Plz don't derail the thread :) The issue is not your political affinity but rather rpm's decree. :D
I must be a sod today, Join the club, dude FYI I started this thread, read it and dont troll in here when you just woke up! RPM and the Mods know me for years and know where I stand! I do not have a politicall affinaty unlike YOU, I hate what is happening in this country and this issue on this forum is directly related to It. Wakey Wakey!

[kilo39]

No Myrrdin - I purposely didn't change my selection at all - what was posted is a 99% representation of the SA page - yes some good news and bad - but the really big topics "aids showers", "garlic and lemon", "a corrupt relationship", "Zille attacked", etc. - are things that have to be commented on - not barcelona giving tshirts.

I did see one positive headline today: "ARVs now free in public hospitals (http://www.iolhivaids.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3274838)" - but then I took the link:

HIV-positive Kenyans will no longer have to pay for life-prolonging antiretroviral (ARV) treatment at public hospitals, President Mwai Kibaki has announced.

Oh dear. So much for that.

We are not negative for the sake of it - we are negative because we want positive - not aids showers, corruption, murder, and rape - and until these things stop we will be bound to comment on them.

[pupa]

Sticking to his balls, once more.
Typical again to try to close this thread as he has done with many he was involved with recently due to his actions!

[Vio]

I must be a sod today, Join the club, dude FYI I started this thread, read it and dont troll in here when you just woke up! RPM and the Mods know me for years and know where I stand! I do not have a politicall affinaty unlike YOU, I hate what is happening in this country and this issue on this forum is directly related to It. Wakey Wakey!
Dude I didnt troll, I mearly pointed out that your topic that YOU started is getting derailed(be it by you if you wish) and that this thread is fast aproaching a mud slinging contest if it has not already become one.

Attack the argument not the person like you did with me just now.

I also hate the crime in this country more than anything in the world.

[pupa]

Dude I didnt troll, I mearly pointed out that your topic that YOU started is getting derailed(be it by you if you wish) and that this thread is fast aproaching a mud slinging contest if it has not already become one.

Attack the argument not the person like you did with me just now.

I also hate the crime in this country more than anything in the world.
Did I attack You, Must be a bad day today or my English stinks. Look at when the thread got derailed, when the same PPL in their own defense hijacked the thread to clarify their positions opposing or refering to me. This has been going on for a while now, as I stated before the reactions must be either out of guilt or pain?

[rwenzori]

So if I were, heaven forbid, to call you a moron, that would be "an opinion rendered on" your "mental state and certainly not a personal attack"? Think again tabbie!

LOL @ pip!!! :D

[pupa]

Was really classic not? Me vote pip and Rwenzori for politics!

[mooK]

*books pupa into a mental rehabilitation institute*

[pupa]

*books pupa into a mental rehabilitation institute*
Agreed as long as it is not administrated by the incompetent, corrupt ANC I would accept the free ride, as the criminals do deliberately to get human rights and life long support! But then again you just did what this whole thread, RPM's request and the argument is all about! 100% for you too now! :D

[scool]

Pupa: "So if my crusade will inform the brainwashed majority that the country is not in such a prime condition as the ANC claims then so it will be."

I think that your "crusade" to inform the "brainwashed majority" is being mounted in the wrong arena. Surely this forum would be the last place used by someone who really wanted to reach the masses?

If it is really the "brainwashed masses" you wish to reach with your message, perhaps you should consider another place to do so?

[3G4me]

Pupa: "So if my crusade will inform the brainwashed majority that the country is not in such a prime condition as the ANC claims then so it will be."

I think that your "crusade" to inform the "brainwashed majority" is being mounted in the wrong arena. Surely this forum would be the last place used by someone who really wanted to reach the masses?

If it is really the "brainwashed masses" you wish to reach with your message, perhaps you should consider another place to do so?

I think you cannot seperate this forum from politics. After all, the broadband pricing and regulation is controlled mostly by the politicians... the rest is controlled by telkom, a huge chunk of which is owned by the Government.

So people who are unhappy with the way the "Government" is dealing with broadband, are automatically looking at how they deal with everything else.

Politics are politics, you either accept them in a forum or you don't.

I do agree that some posters need to calm down though. Perhaps a '3 warnings for getting out of control, and then you are banned from posting in certain threads (off topic or news) for 1 to 3 months should be implemented? That will certainly get everyone to think before they post... and respect that this is a public forum aimed at trying to change things constructively, not draw negative public opinion when one of these really rough threads gets exposed to the press, just to discredit this (MY Adsl) movement.

They will still get to read all the "popcorn and coke" threads, just not be able to comment for a while:) :)

[pupa]

Pupa: "So if my crusade will inform the brainwashed majority that the country is not in such a prime condition as the ANC claims then so it will be."

I think that your "crusade" to inform the "brainwashed majority" is being mounted in the wrong arena. Surely this forum would be the last place used by someone who really wanted to reach the masses?

If it is really the "brainwashed masses" you wish to reach with your message, perhaps you should consider another place to do so?
Another clever boy, with 8 posts, this masses do not have this telecoms media, they do not have access to the correct information, due to the GVT and ANC policies! As we debate with these ANC zealots, reading this information here, by the few that has this media, when they see the truth about the daily happenings and South Africa's situation as it is and spreading the word is what could be a help. So if you do not like to read this information move on You go somewhere else, I prefer to stay thanks!

[mooK]

pupa has 2700 posts. Don't argue with him!

The 2700 symbolizes his incredible wisdom, don't be fooled into thinking that he got to 2700 posts by posting tons of crap on this forum!

[ignacio]

pupa has 2700 posts. Don't argue with him!

The 2700 symbolizes his incredible wisdom, don't be fooled into thinking that he got to 2700 posts by posting tons of crap on this forum!LOL

[scool]

Dear Pupa2700

...this (sic) masses do not have this telecoms media, they do not have access to the correct information
Exactly, so why are you using this forum for your "crusade" to inform the "brainwashed majority"? (your words)


Another clever boy, with 8 posts
If I valued your opinion, I would be offended. Nevertheless, could you please point me to 8 of your own posts which, in your opinion, have contributed something of value to the myadsl community?

[pupa]

Dear Pupa2700

Exactly, so why are you using this forum for your "crusade" to inform the "brainwashed majority"? (your words)


If I valued your opinion, I would be offended. Nevertheless, could you please point me to 8 of your own posts which, in your opinion, have contributed something of value to the myadsl community?

Yeah Do not be lazy read them yourself! I do not value yours as you could have established by yourself if you had the intelligence to do so, which I presume you have, but foolhardiness is a trait on this forum many kiddies cannot do without!

[arf9999]

pupa has 2700 posts. Don't argue with him!

The 2700 symbolizes his incredible wisdom, don't be fooled into thinking that he got to 2700 posts by posting tons of crap on this forum!
If an ironic comment falls in the forest and the target cannot comprehend it, is it still funny? :)

[pupa]

pupa has 2700 posts. Don't argue with him!

The 2700 symbolizes his incredible wisdom, don't be fooled into thinking that he got to 2700 posts by posting tons of crap on this forum!
Nope Informing many with facts. Unlike some! Anyway As you all have nothing to do I do value the concern you have for me posting here! Again a case of a few that do not like the facts posted in this thread! Baby boys! at large, do you moms know you are wasting bandwith! Shame! :D

[arf9999]

Nope Informing many with facts. Unlike some! Anyway As you all have nothing to do I do value the concern you have for me posting here! Again a case of a few that do not like the facts posted in this thread! Baby boys! at large, do you moms know you are wasting bandwith! Shame!

If an ironic comment falls in the forest and the target cannot comprehend it, is it still funny? :)
ok, stupid question, of course it is!

[pupa]

ok, stupid question, of course it is!
Of course not as stupid as the guy that posed the question! But as the say at school, the stupid guy that asked the question is no less stupid than those that did not!

[scool]

Edit: deleted to save bandwidth

[mooK]

How do you know what they say at school?

[bb_matt]

Hmmm, just noticed this thread now, seems to be another of those ping pong matches - back and forth, back and forth, back and forth - the only problem is, it isn't going anywhere.

I respect RPM - he's a great guy - and I think that he's 100% correct on this.

There are simply far too many negative angles bouncing back and forth by some people, using the forum as a vehicle to spread bad news about SA.

Now, sure, SA has a huge amount of problems, but we have to ask ourselves whether constantly talking about the negative, without providing a solution, really gets us anywhere?

It's all well and good to say your providing information, however, I would say most people in SA are well aware of the problems.

It would be so much more rewarding if solutions were being discussed, as opposed to a barrage of bad news without any real understanding of the issues at stake.

I'm a firm believer in looking at things from as many sides as possible and attempting to remain open minded (I don't always succeed, but I try)

If your going to stir the pot, make sure you have something tasty to serve up ...

[tibby.dude]

So if I were, heaven forbid, to call you a moron, that would be "an opinion rendered on" your "mental state and certainly not a personal attack"? Think again tabbie!

But then pippie dear boy I am not a coward like some people on this forum who can't handle the heat in the kitchen and run off to the mommy moderators and cry to them because I told them rather politely to shove it where he sun don't shine :).

I can dish it out in bucket loads as well if need be :).

[bb_matt]

ping... pong ...

[ajak]

Hmmm, just noticed this thread now, seems to be another of those ping pong matches - back and forth, back and forth, back and forth - the only problem is, it isn't going anywhere.

I respect RPM - he's a great guy - and I think that he's 100% correct on this.

There are simply far too many negative angles bouncing back and forth by some people, using the forum as a vehicle to spread bad news about SA.

Now, sure, SA has a huge amount of problems, but we have to ask ourselves whether constantly talking about the negative, without providing a solution, really gets us anywhere?

It's all well and good to say your providing information, however, I would say most people in SA are well aware of the problems.

It would be so much more rewarding if solutions were being discussed, as opposed to a barrage of bad news without any real understanding of the issues at stake.

I'm a firm believer in looking at things from as many sides as possible and attempting to remain open minded (I don't always succeed, but I try)

If your going to stir the pot, make sure you have something tasty to serve up ...
"POT" you gatta have the "POT" before you stir,and serve:D :D

[pupa]

But then pippie dear boy I am not a coward like some people on this forum who can't handle the heat in the kitchen and run off to the mommy moderators and cry to them because I told them rather politely to shove it where he sun don't shine :).

I can dish it out in bucket loads as well if need be :).
Well spoken by a true martyr. Funny how the guys crying the most can actually pretend it was someone else! Not referring to you Tibby but those that will jump on this comments bandwagon. You will see them come soon, like those small "yapping doggies". (That was written in Afrikaans that caused so much Upheaval!):D

[pupa]

"POT" you gatta have the "POT" before you stir,and serve:D :D
"HEMP" goeie produk, word oor die algemeen gebruik vir baie dinge! :D

[ajak]

Well spoken by a true martyr. Funny how the guys crying the most can actually pretend it was someone else! Not referring to you Tibby but those that will jump on this comments bandwagon. You will see them come soon, like those small "yapping doggies". (That was written in Afrikaans that caused so much Upheaval!):D

Wat noem n mense n ou vrou se hondjie nou weer?:D :D

[pupa]

Wat noem n mense n ou vrou se hondjie nou weer?:D :D
Voor ek weer met daai een kom pak ek my koffer en trek sak en pak oorsee!

[supersunbird]

Anyone able to counter the BAD NEWS posts with GOOD NEWS posts?

The ADSL line rental decrease one isn't even actually good news since there shouldn't even be a ADSL line rental. All thew good news stories only reminds one of all the bad crap.

Say a baby was pulled from a hole she fell into and such, just makes me think about all the babies that died without a news story...

[antowan]

Why can't everyone just respect what rpm is asking? All he is asking is for everyone to tone it down a bit.

Saying that it's 'undemocratic' to stop a plethora of 'good news' or 'bad news' threads just doesn't hold. Yes this is a democracy. But that means that you may say what you like in your own space. It does not mean that others are required to afford you this space. rpm does not have to tolerate anyone using his 'space' against his wishes.

This is rpm's 'space', and if he is worried about something, then I think we should respect his requests.

Echoed. :)

[kilo39]

[bb_matt]
How do we propose a solution to the shower debacle? Or AIDS, or Electricity - or horrific murders. These are major news headlines - what other story is there? How can you say most are aware of the problems - I suppose what you mean is - most who read or listen to the news are aware of the problems - not sure if this includes politicians - guarantee thabo isn't watching the news everyday when he's in Brussels or wherever. They - the governing party of this country are providing the pot and the flames - we are hardly stirring - just pointing - at how bad it is. And you say most are aware of the issues - but outside court we have X people supporting the shower issue - how can a person provide a solution when no one wants to listen - instead a person must stop whinging. We cheer the good news - but the rest, the most, sucks. If we can't comment on these things, positive or negative then - what is the point of having a "News, Current Affairs" sub-forum?

[pupa]

Say a baby was pulled from a hole she fell into and such, just makes me think about all the babies that died without a news story...
In NZ that would be national news, Here it would not make the middle page of the town in question as there is so many more serious crime reported. Value of life in this country has become a passing reflection in the water of a dam. It is so bad that when my mother died in hospital due to negligence I was told that she was old and sickly and had her life anyway! That's the thought pattern here locally. Money counts more as the Aids issue have highlighted many a time!

[jarr]

...Can you please refrain from any personal attacks or racist remarks...

...While we encourage open discussions please refrain from simply positing every article you can find about something negative. It simply becomes counterproductive, especially seen in the holistic view of this forum and what we are trying to achieve...i have no desire to be sucked in by all this flaming and fighting, but i just want to lend my support to rpm in this matter as well. it really does not seem a very unreasonable request, imho, and it is, after all, his site, not ours... ;)

(@debbie, myrrdin and vio - good posts :))

[pip]

But then pippie dear boy I am not a coward like some people on this forum who can't handle the heat in the kitchen and run off to the mommy moderators and cry to them because I told them rather politely to shove it where he sun don't shine :).

I can dish it out in bucket loads as well if need be :).

Touche tabbie old fruit! :)

[neio]

A thing to remember for everybody is that we're al guests on this forum, you dont go to visit somebody's house and then leave the toilet blocked with a big drol just because you felt the time for your big ***** has come. :D

[Skeptik]

A thing to remember for everybody is that we're al guests on this forum, you dont go to visit somebody's house and then leave the toilet blocked with a big drol just because you felt the time for your big ***** has come. :D
Hey this is Africa. The local people seem to think it quite acceptible to have a wee in our garden, take a dump in a corner, drop rubbish over the fence or open the gate to steal oranges. What makes this forum any different?:eek:

[pupa]

Touche tabbie old fruitcake! :)
Edited for clarity!:D

[bwana]

This isnt a model of democracy, it's a forum with an administrator and numerous mods and you're deluding yourselves if you believe otherwise. Every so often people feel the need to question this facet of membership and they end up gone.

Its the off-topic section so if the mods need to take a take a heavy hand to it then they have my support especially if it prevents some over zealous members who might otherwise have had something positive to contribute from going too far and getting booted - no one wins in that scenario.

Stop crapping in the sandbox that we all want to play in.

[web]

This isnt a model of democracy, it's a forum with an administrator and numerous mods and you're deluding yourselves if you believe otherwise. Every so often people feel the need to question this facet of membership and they end up gone.

Its the off-topic section so if the mods need to take a take a heavy hand to it then they have my support especially if it prevents some over zealous members who might otherwise have had something positive to contribute from going too far and getting booted - no one wins in that scenario.

Stop crapping in the sandbox that we all want to play in.

Well said.

[pupa]

This isnt a model of democracy, it's a forum with an administrator and numerous mods and you're deluding yourselves if you believe otherwise. Every so often people feel the need to question this facet of membership and they end up gone.

Its the off-topic section so if the mods need to take a take a heavy hand to it then they have my support especially if it prevents some over zealous members who might otherwise have had something positive to contribute from going too far and getting booted - no one wins in that scenario.

Stop crapping in the sandbox that we all want to play in.
You missed the boat as usual. This thread was started because the original thread we closed, where RPM asked PPl to caution, before we could respond. The right place for that if they do not seek a response is under Annunciations! The action of closure of that thread by the mods were undemocratic, nothing else! So stop dripping in the sand box where we have a right to say our say. Get an catheter! :D

[neio]

Erm, RPM as the site's owner was showing a amber light, amber normally means slow down and stop, it does not mean speed up to see if you be able to miss the red light. (a simple traffic light analogy for people to understand.)

[bwana]

You missed the boat as usual. This thread was started because the original thread we closed, where RPM asked PPl to caution, before we could respond. I've missed the boat?

There is no democracy in a forum - you're just ignoring the obvious.

rpm brought up two topics in his post - first that people "please refrain from any personal attacks or racist remarks." Its a simple request.

Second was the observation that inflammatory news (and I use that term loosely) articles have no place here. We have two groups or parties trying to out do each other with the most sensational articles they can dig up. The ensuing discussion always ends up being just another tedious race debate. It serves no purpose here in this forum and I can see one of two things happening with almost absolute certainty - the most likely one is the banning of the combatants and the second is a period of excessive heavy handed moderation of the General discussions area. Its a lose-lose situation.

Do you not understand that your personal vendettas (and I'm not just referring to you pupa) could potentially **** things up for everyone?

[pupa]

I've missed the boat?

There is no democracy in a forum - you're just ignoring the obvious.

rpm brought up two topics in his post - first that people "please refrain from any personal attacks or racist remarks." Its a simple request.

Second was the observation that inflammatory news (and I use that term loosely) articles have no place here. We have two groups or parties trying to out do each other with the most sensational articles they can dig up. The ensuing discussion always ends up being just another tedious race debate. It serves no purpose here in this forum and I can see one of two things happening with almost absolute certainty - the most likely one is the banning of the combatants and the second is a period of excessive heavy handed moderation of the General discussions area. Its a lose-lose situation.

Do you not understand that your personal vendettas (and I'm not just referring to you pupa) could potentially **** things up for everyone?
Fully agreed on point 1
On point 2 regards yo the place, you are wrong as many told you before. This forum allowed space for it in that section! The news are not sensational at all, its the facts of what is happening here everyday!. Its what the debaters that needs to discuss the issue is doing. When they realise you are a white Afrikaans speaking poster then every post you make becomes a reference to race, or apartheid or whatever suits their fancy and if they cannot debate, the race card and name calling starts. Moderators have in those threads deleted their retarded comments and left mine, not because they are biased but because there was nothing I said or done to deserve the comments. They want to get me and Ajak to leave, I will not unless RPM requests me too. Ditto! So lobby with him if you feel as you always do! Current news as it happens will be posted and not only bad news but news concerning everyone. If 80% of it is not good news then thats due to the demographics of this country!

[bwana]

Fully agreed on point 1
On point 2 regards yo the place, you are wrong as many told you before. This forum allowed space for it in that section! The news are not sensational at all, its the facts of what is happening here everyday!. Its what the debaters that needs to discuss the issue is doing. When they realise you are a white Afrikaans speaking poster then every post you make becomes a reference to race, or apartheid or whatever suits their fancy and if they cannot debate, the race card and name calling starts. Moderators have in those threads deleted their retarded comments and left mine, not because they are biased but because there was nothing I said or done to deserve the comments. They want to get me and Ajak to leave, I will not unless RPM requests me too. Ditto! So lobby with him if you feel as you always do! Current news as it happens will be posted and not only bad news but news concerning everyone. If 80% of it is not good news then thats due to the demographics of this country!WRT to the productivity of the recent deluge of inflammatory news articles I was merely reiterating what rpm clearly stated -
While we encourage open discussions please refrain from simply positing every article you can find about something negative. It simply becomes counterproductive, especially seen in the holistic view of this forum and what we are trying to achieve.

I certainly dont want anyone to leave - voluntarily or otherwise - which is why I'm advocating caution and decorum.

[Angelo]

Do as RPM says or leave!:mad: ;)

[pupa]

WRT to the productivity of the recent deluge of inflammatory news articles I was merely reiterating what rpm clearly stated -

I certainly dont want anyone to leave - voluntarily or otherwise - which is why I'm advocating caution and decorum.
The new is inflammatory because the PPL make it so. The news in itself is current and of the day and involved is our ANC led GVT that directly influence all our lives!

[ignacio]

The new is inflammatory because the PPL make it so. The news in itself is current and of the day and involved is our ANC led GVT that directly influence all our lives!One side-note and not an attack: why do you post the articles when we can just go to IOL/news24 and see them for ourselves? If you add some commentary or "your take" on the problem or a solution, then maybe such posts would be useful... but just link after link of articles we can find ourselves with nothing to add doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

[mancombseepgood]

There are political and or news and current affairs forums specific to SA with an active membership comparable to MyADSL? Could you provide links?

I guarantee you the majority of the members you are refering to aren't here for political debate... its only the same old same old...

[JungleFacedJake]

One side-note and not an attack: why do you post the articles when we can just go to IOL/news24 and see them for ourselves? If you add some commentary or "your take" on the problem or a solution, then maybe such posts would be useful... but just link after link of articles we can find ourselves with nothing to add doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

Agreed! The recent deluge of posts along the lines of "Life in SA Sucks" with merely a link to an IOL or wherever story is both boring and purposeless.

[Angelo]

One side-note and not an attack: why do you post the articles when we can just go to IOL/news24 and see them for ourselves? If you add some commentary or "your take" on the problem or a solution, then maybe such posts would be useful... but just link after link of articles we can find ourselves with nothing to add doesn't seem to serve any purpose.
100% Ignacio, if SA is "doomed" everybody will see for themselves, you don't need to go on a "crusade" to convince people. I thougt such stories would be reduced since CraigSA is no longer around. (or is he just using a different name?)

[AntiThesis]

Odd, I don't believe the topic of this thread was: "I wanted to have my say but uncle rpm wouldn't let me." I'm guessing that rpm didn't mean for anyone to reply to the thread but some quick people got in before he had closed it :)

Same thing happened to me a couple times when Ppod posted adverts... I posted maybe a minute later and then she locked it. :)

Bottom line is, you have two options:

1) Take what rpm says as law and abide by it.

2) Bugger off.

Nice and simple.

[pip]

What happened to Angelo's "Blessed are the fair-skinned" thread? A fascinating read from "the other side" in contrast the normal daily deluge. Does the other side not get to post? Hey I didn't agree with most of it, but why should it be censored?

:confused:

[kilo39]

Agree pip - not right!!! Angelo should be allowed to have his thread - especially as there are equal white based threads "Affirmative action: magistrate cries foul" -. Not right - not good. Yes may start a flame war - but in this case an educational flame war - not all flame wars are bad.

And I really think you guys need to decide what you are doing - either running an open forum - or running a hate telkom forum. Telkom is a joke - entrenched monopoly blind to all reason. Open debate with a beady eye towards racial bias - equally administered - is the only fair and open way to go.

Be fair - this site isn't exactly a money spinner is it? So - do we want to run a great open forum - or the knitting corner for telkom hate speech. I rather go for the open forum - and you guys are in a position to provide it - open debate can only be healthy - no matter the flames - live and learn - otherwise what are we doing??!

[pupa]

Agreed! The recent deluge of posts along the lines of "Life in SA Sucks" with merely a link to an IOL or wherever story is both boring and purposeless.
So funnyface WTF are you doing here if you are bored, Like IC said here are too many cry baby's on this forum. So get a bottle to sucker your boredom!

[pupa]

100% Ignacio, if SA is "doomed" everybody will see for themselves, you don't need to go on a "crusade" to convince people. I thougt such stories would be reduced since CraigSA is no longer around. (or is he just using a different name?)
Thats the point. They do not as You Pro ANC zealots keep on giving false information of how well it goes and anything else is due to apartheid and not the incompetence of GVT! So if you do not want to be part of an crusade be my geust Leave!

[JungleFacedJake]

So funnyface WTF are you doing here if you are bored, Like IC said here are too many cry baby's on this forum. So get a bottle to sucker your boredom!

Nice objective post.

From dictionary.com:


pupa

The nonfeeding stage between the larva and adult in the metamorphosis of holometabolous insects, during which the larva typically undergoes complete transformation within a protective cocoon or hardened case.

From the Latin for a girl or a doll.

So, not yet adult, with overtones of "girl" and "doll". OK, I'll take the bottle, you go play dollies.
:p

[pupa]

One side-note and not an attack: why do you post the articles when we can just go to IOL/news24 and see them for ourselves? If you add some commentary or "your take" on the problem or a solution, then maybe such posts would be useful... but just link after link of articles we can find ourselves with nothing to add doesn't seem to serve any purpose.
They are posted here for discussion and debate. The problem with certain fools are that they do not want to truth about their lies and deception debated. But if foolish thing like the 911 is discussed then its OK, Non relevant cr@p which do not expose ZAR leadership for what it is. Yet that also got into flame wars by the same race zealots here in this thread! This OFF topic Forum with News and Current Affairs is exactly for that purpose. If you do not like it go read the paper before you wipe your's in your Kingdom zone!
Cheers and thanks for the understanding but if you really by now did not get it I am afraid nobody can do anything anymore to help you with your mentality!

[pupa]

Nice objective post.

From dictionary.com:



From the Latin for a girl or a doll.

So, not yet adult, with overtones of "girl" and "doll". OK, I'll take the bottle, you go play dollies.
:p
Funny how kids can think they no it all and then choose names that indicate what they think off themselves and then are so clever that they know how a nic was derived. Its not Pupa as you suggest my boy but go to the "nic" thread and avail all your free time here to find out how the nic's came about!

[ignacio]

They are posted here for discussion and debate. The problem with certain fools are that they do not want to truth about their lies and deception debated. But if foolish thing like the 911 is discussed then its OK, Non relevant cr@p which do not expose ZAR leadership for what it is. Yet that also got into flame wars by the same race zealots here in this thread! This OFF topic Forum with News and Current Affairs is exactly for that purpose. If you do not like it go read the paper before you wipe your's in your Kingdom zone!
Cheers and thanks for the understanding but if you really by now did not get it I am afraid nobody can do anything anymore to help you with your mentality!Difference between 911 posts and yours is that kilo and prometheus actually add something - they don't just add links. Dude - and enough with the race zealot crap, when clearly you are one of the only one's in here.

[nocilah]

the way i see it...

he with the most power wins. in this case it's RPM so it's futile arguing a point that has been decided by him.

Fact is RPM's decisions with regard to MyAdsl have made MyAdsl what it is today and that in itself gives him even more power. :D

And he created pretty cool bots(mods)... except the r0dent <-- that one scares me.

Ettu also has a glitch you may want to look at RPM... it posts too much :D

[mooK]

Guys, don't stop arguing with Pupa, if we can keep him arguing this point he'll have to be banned! It's a win-win!

[pupa]

Guys, don't stop arguing with Pupa, if we can keep him arguing this point he'll have to be banned! It's a win-win! SICk How sad that you as usual want to get rid of any opposing arguments coming your way. Typical as we see daily in the politics of this country! That is exactly the point why we need space to debate thes issues! Thats what you want as you have no answers to the questions posted. Instead you pull everything posted out of context and play the race card. Wat a sad sorry mindset! Maybe You would be banned as it can be seen above what You try to plot, you are as usual stirring the pot. What you always do even off forum I presume! It takes two to argue. I was here for a while now, before you guys, and You started the cr@p for the same reasons stated. I never have been reprimanded nor banned, Seldom something I posted was deleted! You are the arguing party here hijacking the thread. I do not argue the RPM point, Read again as I agreed with RPM. You guys side railed this thread for your own agenda! I do not agree with your futile arguments re the non posting of current news in the Off topic section created for that very purpose a long while ago. I do not agree with the attempts to try to adapt the forum to your liking for your own agenda's. If you guys had the common sense to read the thread and stay with the topic at hand then this would not happen! But the again your intellect is as bad as your reasoning, and superb capability in quoting or taking things out of context! Not unlike Tibbys deliberate futile attempt to start a thread to provoke the exact reasoning for which RPM posted the message. So No! I do not argue the point RPM made but argue your attitude and agenda as seen in the responses based on my first posts to RPM's request in this thread! You attacked the Mods out of sour grapes and they know it, that's is what the start of this post was all about! Now you want to play the innocent! Shame on You!

[mooK]

Hmm, it was actually a joke, but thanks for wasting your time writing a long post about nothing, it's nice to know that you care so much.

[kilo39]

I do not agree with your futile arguments re the non posting of current news in the Off topic section created for that very purpose a long while ago. You're a good laugh pupa :D Aaaar, salty this one.

[pupa]

Hmm, it was actually a joke, but thanks for wasting your time writing a long post about nothing, it's nice to know that you care so much.
Mook, Just use the smilies! I am not Telepathic you know. I wanted to add a smiley or two, where I was been sarcastic but refrained as you did not. So we ended in the same boat. The comments were more for others! They know who they are! Peace friend!

[pupa]

You're a good laugh pupa :D Aaaar, salty this one.
:D Well its fun here to, makes my day smiling at these oke's jumping about. Had a friend here all afternoon and evening, we had a good laugh, today. LOL

[mooK]

I don't like smileys, they make me angry. So there.

[pupa]

I don't like smileys, they make me angry. So there.
Well i will give you some for free! :cool: :) :D ;)

[AntiThesis]

This has degenerated fairly quickly hasn't it? Ahh well. If you read really carefully between the lines, rpm didn't say "Thou shalt not speak your mind" or "I am the lord they God" or "Thou shalt have no other discussion but broadband."

I believe the gist of his post was: (and I stand to be corrected)

Can you please refrain from any personal attacks or racist remarks.

and


Please refrain from simply positing every article you can find about something negative

Many people (pupa included) have been taken out of context and this really isn't in the spirit of what rpm has said. All that is being looked for here is a little more discretion when posting so that things don't escalate into a white Vs Black/Male Vs Female/ANC Vs. DA free-for-all. I'm sure if we all just watch what we say a little more things will calm down nicely.


but why should it be censored?
Because if it isn't there is a very real potential for a whole slew of topics titled "Black is better", "White power!", "KKK forever" and so it degenerates :) Please don't read anything into my examples as they were the only things that sprung to my very tired mind.

Can't we all just get along?