sphila
17-08-2006, 11:33 AM
how zit guys any SAP experts to guide me through my SAP career,I'm trying so much to put my foot in a SAP environment
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Sarge
17-08-2006, 01:02 PM
Same here... I have an honours degree in Computer Science if that helps :P
spiderz
17-08-2006, 01:12 PM
SAP? SA police or SAP like in Hr management tooly?
fivelza
17-08-2006, 01:20 PM
SAP as in the ERP system developed by SAP AG in Germany....some say it stands for (S)evere (A)gony and (P)ain. Sphila, I am not a SAP expert but have been through a global implementation and a huge upgrade project.
Refering to your previous thread as well http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=50300
You do not just become a SAP Expert, you would become a SAP consultant in one or possibly two of the modules/areas of SAP and then specialise in those modules. SAP cuts across an entire organisation and is also different per industry type i.e. financial institutions are different to manufacturing. There is obviously a lot of reading one can do and then attend course with SAP SA who aer based in Woodmean JHB. As you indicated in the other read, get involved in the SAP project at your company as you need to understand the way a company works to implement SAP properly and learn from the implementation partners/consultants.
Refering to your previous thread as well http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=50300
You do not just become a SAP Expert, you would become a SAP consultant in one or possibly two of the modules/areas of SAP and then specialise in those modules. SAP cuts across an entire organisation and is also different per industry type i.e. financial institutions are different to manufacturing. There is obviously a lot of reading one can do and then attend course with SAP SA who aer based in Woodmean JHB. As you indicated in the other read, get involved in the SAP project at your company as you need to understand the way a company works to implement SAP properly and learn from the implementation partners/consultants.
ZA_medic
17-08-2006, 01:54 PM
SAP is like J2EE, its BIG. What areas would you be interested in?
Some of the componets i work with include: Portal, BSP, ABAP and Integration services.
Some of the componets i work with include: Portal, BSP, ABAP and Integration services.
LandyMan
18-08-2006, 12:49 AM
fivelza is correct, you are not going to become a SAP expert overnight, so to speak. There's alot you can do in the SAP environment, it all depends on what your qualifications/background is, and of course what you are interested in. If you are looking for pure technical, go for Basis. If you prefer programming, go into any area requiring ABAP development (reporting, Dialog programming, the list goes on). Then there is of course the functional side (which is more in line with business processes and the likes).
So basically you need to have a look at all the different areas within SAP, and which of those will tickle your fancy. Alot of consulting firms provide internship programs, and/or training environments for new consultants.
Try to NOT do the SAP academy (I think it is now about R80k for 6 weeks), and when you walk out of there, I can guarantee you you will know less than one of my consultants whos been doing 6 weeks of training outside of the Academy.
So basically you need to have a look at all the different areas within SAP, and which of those will tickle your fancy. Alot of consulting firms provide internship programs, and/or training environments for new consultants.
Try to NOT do the SAP academy (I think it is now about R80k for 6 weeks), and when you walk out of there, I can guarantee you you will know less than one of my consultants whos been doing 6 weeks of training outside of the Academy.
boz
13-02-2007, 09:05 AM
Hey Landyman
So you say not to do the SAP academy... but how do you get to be e.g. one of your consultants without doing some training?
So you say not to do the SAP academy... but how do you get to be e.g. one of your consultants without doing some training?
LandyMan
15-02-2007, 01:22 PM
Hey Landyman
So you say not to do the SAP academy... but how do you get to be e.g. one of your consultants without doing some training?
boz, you can do the academy if you prefer, but don't expect to be a high income earning consultant afterwards. There are a couple of companies providing in-house training to get you up to an Associate Consultant level (normally around 3 months earning a low salary)
So you say not to do the SAP academy... but how do you get to be e.g. one of your consultants without doing some training?
boz, you can do the academy if you prefer, but don't expect to be a high income earning consultant afterwards. There are a couple of companies providing in-house training to get you up to an Associate Consultant level (normally around 3 months earning a low salary)
rih
13-11-2007, 12:08 PM
boz, you can do the academy if you prefer, but don't expect to be a high income earning consultant afterwards. There are a couple of companies providing in-house training to get you up to an Associate Consultant level (normally around 3 months earning a low salary)
how much is a low salary....
how much is a low salary....
ZA_medic
13-11-2007, 12:42 PM
SAP = Slow and Painfull.
I got out of SAP - bored me solid. Because its been written, you become a customiser. BORING!
I got out of SAP - bored me solid. Because its been written, you become a customiser. BORING!
LandyMan
13-11-2007, 01:37 PM
how much is a low salary....
That will depend on the company, and how their packages are structured, so it is difficult for me to say
That will depend on the company, and how their packages are structured, so it is difficult for me to say
LandyMan
13-11-2007, 01:38 PM
SAP = Slow and Painfull.
I got out of SAP - bored me solid. Because its been written, you become a customiser. BORING!
All you needed then was to get yourself SAP_ALL authorisation ... never a dull moment :D
I got out of SAP - bored me solid. Because its been written, you become a customiser. BORING!
All you needed then was to get yourself SAP_ALL authorisation ... never a dull moment :D
Johand
13-11-2007, 03:17 PM
I would suggest just getting work at a company - I work for a company that specialize in SAP for the insurance industry (commissions, claims and collections and disbursements).
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
LandyMan
13-11-2007, 03:29 PM
I would suggest just getting work at a company - I work for a company that specialize in SAP for the insurance industry (commissions, claims and collections and disbursements).
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
It is slightly different recruiting for a company using SAP, and recruiting for a company providing consulting services in SAP.
It will depend on the posters in this thread if they want to work in SAP at a company, or consult in SAP at clients.
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
It is slightly different recruiting for a company using SAP, and recruiting for a company providing consulting services in SAP.
It will depend on the posters in this thread if they want to work in SAP at a company, or consult in SAP at clients.
Johand
13-11-2007, 03:39 PM
The line is thinner than you might think. Some consultants might work for a consulting company but might spend all of their time at one specific client anyway. Half the people working at companies that run SAP are independent contractors.
My point being the best way forward is to get some exposure to SAP. Via a company that run SAP (because then a consulting company will poach you sooner or later if you are good) or with a consulting company.
I myself prefer a consulting company, because you get to travel and have your luggage stolen at OR Tambo.
My point being the best way forward is to get some exposure to SAP. Via a company that run SAP (because then a consulting company will poach you sooner or later if you are good) or with a consulting company.
I myself prefer a consulting company, because you get to travel and have your luggage stolen at OR Tambo.
sar
28-11-2007, 10:02 AM
how much is a low salary....
SAP guys are highly overpaid... average guy with 1-2 year experience can get R300/hour. If you want to be rich then do SAP, if you want to be clever then do something else.
SAP guys are highly overpaid... average guy with 1-2 year experience can get R300/hour. If you want to be rich then do SAP, if you want to be clever then do something else.
LandyMan
28-11-2007, 10:11 AM
SAP guys are highly overpaid... average guy with 1-2 year experience can get R300/hour. If you want to be rich then do SAP, if you want to be clever then do something else.
Didn't cut it as a SAP consultant, did you? :p
Someone with 1-2 years won't get R300/h ... not even as a contractor. R250 MAX if you are really good.
Contractors with about 7+ years experience, are really good in their specialisation area, and have done at least 5 full life-cycle implementations will get around R450-R500 per hour ... obviously as a perm employee that will be alot less.
Didn't cut it as a SAP consultant, did you? :p
Someone with 1-2 years won't get R300/h ... not even as a contractor. R250 MAX if you are really good.
Contractors with about 7+ years experience, are really good in their specialisation area, and have done at least 5 full life-cycle implementations will get around R450-R500 per hour ... obviously as a perm employee that will be alot less.
Johand
28-11-2007, 10:13 AM
if you want to be clever then do something else.
Haha - you can do stupid or clever stuff in any job! Granted an ABAP Report writer is nothing smart, but doing business process consulting with SAP as the IT component is IMHO very clever. It might not be a hard science, but very few people or organizations can actually keep the machines that big companies have become running!
The point is that you have to choose between pure IT (Operating Systems, Hardware, Firmware, Networking, Security) or Business Driven IT (Almost everything else). With Business Driven IT, the business is the most important part. Going into SAP thinking about IT and not business is probably not a good idea (unless you want to be a basis consultant).
Haha - you can do stupid or clever stuff in any job! Granted an ABAP Report writer is nothing smart, but doing business process consulting with SAP as the IT component is IMHO very clever. It might not be a hard science, but very few people or organizations can actually keep the machines that big companies have become running!
The point is that you have to choose between pure IT (Operating Systems, Hardware, Firmware, Networking, Security) or Business Driven IT (Almost everything else). With Business Driven IT, the business is the most important part. Going into SAP thinking about IT and not business is probably not a good idea (unless you want to be a basis consultant).
LandyMan
28-11-2007, 10:14 AM
Haha - you can do stupid or clever stuff in any job! Granted an ABAP Report writer is nothing smart, but doing business process consulting with SAP as the IT component is IMHO very clever. It might not be a hard science, but very few people or organizations can actually keep the machines that big companies have become running!
The point is that you have to choose between pure IT (Operating Systems, Hardware, Firmware, Networking, Security) or Business Driven IT (Almost everything else). With Business Driven IT, the business is the most important part. Going into SAP thinking about IT and not business is probably not a good idea (unless you want to be a basis consultant).
Well explained!
The point is that you have to choose between pure IT (Operating Systems, Hardware, Firmware, Networking, Security) or Business Driven IT (Almost everything else). With Business Driven IT, the business is the most important part. Going into SAP thinking about IT and not business is probably not a good idea (unless you want to be a basis consultant).
Well explained!
Johand
28-11-2007, 10:20 AM
Someone with 1-2 years won't get R300/h ... not even as a contractor. R250 MAX if you are really good.
Contractors with about 7+ years experience, are really good in their specialisation area, and have done at least 5 full life-cycle implementations will get around R450-R500 per hour ... obviously as a perm employee that will be alot less.
This is a bit misleading... I know of Junior Contractors being paid R350/hour on some projects. It depends heavily on specialization area. And it depends heavily on your business background. SAP project managers easily earn R600+/hour. But yes, if you do the most common modules only you probably should not expect to get THAT much money.
Working for a company can put you in a higher bracket in the long term, because you might earn overrider on consultants working below you. But you earn less in the short term.
Contractors with about 7+ years experience, are really good in their specialisation area, and have done at least 5 full life-cycle implementations will get around R450-R500 per hour ... obviously as a perm employee that will be alot less.
This is a bit misleading... I know of Junior Contractors being paid R350/hour on some projects. It depends heavily on specialization area. And it depends heavily on your business background. SAP project managers easily earn R600+/hour. But yes, if you do the most common modules only you probably should not expect to get THAT much money.
Working for a company can put you in a higher bracket in the long term, because you might earn overrider on consultants working below you. But you earn less in the short term.
LandyMan
28-11-2007, 10:29 AM
This is a bit misleading... I know of Junior Contractors being paid R350/hour on some projects. It depends heavily on specialization area. And it depends heavily on your business background. SAP project managers easily earn R600+/hour. But yes, if you do the most common modules only you probably should not expect to get THAT much money.
Working for a company can put you in a higher bracket in the long term, because you might earn overrider on consultants working below you. But you earn less in the short term.
Not misleading ... those values are averaged out. On certain projects yes, you will get higher, and on others you will get lower. So over a period of time, and market fluctuations (3 year cycles) your averages will be pretty much in line with my figures
Working for a company can put you in a higher bracket in the long term, because you might earn overrider on consultants working below you. But you earn less in the short term.
Not misleading ... those values are averaged out. On certain projects yes, you will get higher, and on others you will get lower. So over a period of time, and market fluctuations (3 year cycles) your averages will be pretty much in line with my figures
Johand
28-11-2007, 10:49 AM
Yes. Fluctuations, is a big problem - the hourly rate is very misleading in the long term. R350/hour sounds like a lot of money if you do the 350*8*18.5 sum, but this is not the case.
With independent contracts the rule is "as dit pap reën moet jy skep" and some of them literally work 6,7 days a week 12+ hours a day. Because you don't bill over Christmas. If there is no contract work, you don't earn. Independent contractors are also responsible for their own growth strategy.
I personally won't think about going independent. I would rather earn less in the beginning, let the company be responsible for my growth, provide me with training etc. and have much better long term earning potential. If you want to be independent then I would also suggest working for a few years at a consulting firm first anyway.
With independent contracts the rule is "as dit pap reën moet jy skep" and some of them literally work 6,7 days a week 12+ hours a day. Because you don't bill over Christmas. If there is no contract work, you don't earn. Independent contractors are also responsible for their own growth strategy.
I personally won't think about going independent. I would rather earn less in the beginning, let the company be responsible for my growth, provide me with training etc. and have much better long term earning potential. If you want to be independent then I would also suggest working for a few years at a consulting firm first anyway.
bodhi
28-11-2007, 11:26 AM
Someone with a B Eng (Industrial) - good candidate for SAP consultant ?
Obviously one needs to go through all the training - focusing on Business Driven IT.
Obviously one needs to go through all the training - focusing on Business Driven IT.
LandyMan
28-11-2007, 11:54 AM
Someone with a B Eng (Industrial) - good candidate for SAP consultant ?
Obviously one needs to go through all the training - focusing on Business Driven IT.
We have had SAP consultants from all different degrees, ranging from BSc, BEng, BCom, BA Theology, you name it. We have one rule though, you MUST have a degree
Obviously one needs to go through all the training - focusing on Business Driven IT.
We have had SAP consultants from all different degrees, ranging from BSc, BEng, BCom, BA Theology, you name it. We have one rule though, you MUST have a degree
Johand
28-11-2007, 12:16 PM
Someone with a B Eng (Industrial) - good candidate for SAP consultant ?
Obviously one needs to go through all the training - focusing on Business Driven IT.
Any engineering degree is good :-) We have two mechanical engineers at our company.
Obviously one needs to go through all the training - focusing on Business Driven IT.
Any engineering degree is good :-) We have two mechanical engineers at our company.
sar
02-12-2007, 01:04 AM
I know many junior SAP contractors earning over R350/hour.
leche
03-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Hey Johand
iam desperately looking for an opportunity to pursue my career in SAP, I have a Bsc(IT)management where I have acquired a balance of both business and computer science and I have 2 years working as an IT support consultant.
you welcomed to send your assistance/reply to makhethaL.rd@ufs.ac.za
iam desperately looking for an opportunity to pursue my career in SAP, I have a Bsc(IT)management where I have acquired a balance of both business and computer science and I have 2 years working as an IT support consultant.
you welcomed to send your assistance/reply to makhethaL.rd@ufs.ac.za
LandyMan
03-12-2007, 02:55 PM
I know many junior SAP contractors earning over R350/hour.
It is not difficult to earn that on a per project basis ... quite easy actually ... but the sustainability of said income across projects is not that easy. And don't confuse permanent employment with contracting ... rates differ substantially
It is not difficult to earn that on a per project basis ... quite easy actually ... but the sustainability of said income across projects is not that easy. And don't confuse permanent employment with contracting ... rates differ substantially
LilJohn
03-12-2007, 03:09 PM
Where I work...there are guys earning +R900 per hour..in ABAP
Psyntific
06-12-2007, 08:17 AM
Okay, firstly I want to do SAP Web Application Development-ABAP or SAP Web Application Development-JAVA. But the Big Q is, is it possible to do it without JAVA know-how. Second option is SAP FI/CO. 3rd with work experience in Procurement SAP MM/Procurement this will compliment me. So what companies/consulting firms offering SAP willing to take some1 without experience for a training/learnership coz i have Bcom Accountancy with work experience.:confused:
zesto
07-12-2007, 05:51 PM
Java knowledge is a definite plus for any SAP consultant as is ABAP. From an SAP development perspective understanding both ABAP and Java is an excellent combination.
Depending on your interests of course, i would rather go for a core competency in SAP XI/PI and SAP MDM. One of the main reasons being that their market demand at the moment is very good and probably will remain so for some time. Not sure what the general SAP market is like in SA at the moment though.
Depending on your interests of course, i would rather go for a core competency in SAP XI/PI and SAP MDM. One of the main reasons being that their market demand at the moment is very good and probably will remain so for some time. Not sure what the general SAP market is like in SA at the moment though.
Joziline
23-05-2008, 04:47 PM
Hey guys can anyone help me with getting into SAP. I have done the SAP security and authorizations course but am not yet certified. i know there is a lot of people working in SAP without being certified. Plse assist i am struggling to get a job. I am even prepared to start at internship level/trainee.
Should you have something for me plse call me on 073 226 3099 or email me at tsajwak@gmail.com
Should you have something for me plse call me on 073 226 3099 or email me at tsajwak@gmail.com
ivangijzen
12-01-2010, 07:13 AM
I would suggest just getting work at a company - I work for a company that specialize in SAP for the insurance industry (commissions, claims and collections and disbursements).
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
Hi All , I wanted to become a SAP Consultant,
I then saw what you are talking about when I did some research.
I would love to still do this.
So I decided to get into the SAP market in a way,
and did my SAP B1 Training ect.
And now have just over a year experience in it.:o
I Love doing it, and would like to know how I am to forward
and start working on the bigger SAP circle.
I anyone knows a company I can do a apprenticeship and move on it will be great, thank you..
The people working here has studied B.Com, Engineering, economics etc. so there are no specific qualification required - a bit of technical savvy and common sense is a big plus though. Almost none of us have formal SAP training.
We are trying to hire people like crazy but we have trouble finding suitable candidates. We are not even looking for people with SAP experience - just some work experience, technical savvy, and eager to learn. They are surprising few and far between. If you PM me with a blurb/CV I can put you in touch with the HR people.
Hi All , I wanted to become a SAP Consultant,
I then saw what you are talking about when I did some research.
I would love to still do this.
So I decided to get into the SAP market in a way,
and did my SAP B1 Training ect.
And now have just over a year experience in it.:o
I Love doing it, and would like to know how I am to forward
and start working on the bigger SAP circle.
I anyone knows a company I can do a apprenticeship and move on it will be great, thank you..
Obelix
12-01-2010, 10:18 AM
Same here... I have an honours degree in Computer Science if that helps :P
nope - its almost useless. SAP is a bussiness tool, not an IT tool
nope - its almost useless. SAP is a bussiness tool, not an IT tool