A thread has just disappeared.

[IdlePhaedrus]

:eek:

OK, so a politically incorrect thread has recently been posted and then pretty quickly removed (regarding Mr Mandela). Sorry, but I think people should be able to say what they want, and others should be able to counter. This is what democracy is all about surely?

Not very impressed.

:mad:

[Nokkie]

don't worry eat a chilliebite

[ajak]

:eek:

OK, so a politically incorrect thread has recently been posted and then pretty quickly removed (regarding Mr Mandela). Sorry, but I think people should be able to say what they want, and others should be able to counter. This is what democracy is all about surely?

Not very impressed.

:mad:

Thats right.......shutup...and eat your 'pap:D

[Nokkie]

LHO @ajak ouch my throat

[IdlePhaedrus]

don't worry eat a chilliebite

Sorry, this is a kind of censorship, and I certainly didn't expect to find it here on MyADSL.:confused:

[Nokkie]

hey start a thread on chilliebytes

[loveVW]

Uh oh. My bad. This is one big big sensitive place.

[Nokkie]

just say ; start a chilly thread

[ajak]

hey start a thread on chilliebytes

start a thread on how to get nooky:D

[ajak]

Uh oh. My bad. This is one big big sensitive place.

yes, we are all lovers, not fighters...we only fight when we have pms:)

[Nokkie]

Thank you for registering. We will send you an email when it's your turn to enter the beta test phase. what does that mean ajak im stupid today?

[AntiThesis]

See the difference is that a thread entitled:

"Mandela WAS a terrorist" is inflamatory.
"Mandela's past questioned" is not.

It's a matter of wording really.

[IdlePhaedrus]

See the difference is that a thread entitled:

"Mandela WAS a terrorist" is inflamatory.
"Mandela's past questioned" is not.

It's a matter of wording really.

Yes, but we as forumites should be allowed to rebuke, surely this is just as inflamatory:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=50850

[loveVW]

See the difference is that a thread entitled:

"Mandela WAS a terrorist" is inflamatory.
"Mandela's past questioned" is not.

It's a matter of wording really.

If he wasnt a terrorist why was he going to bomb some people or the railways?

[AntiThesis]

Yes it is... and coincidentally is by the same person.

[hj2k_x]

Yes it is... and coincidentally is by the same person.

at this rate he is not going to last long here...

[IdlePhaedrus]

This is not mine, but you can make your own minds up about it and verify it for your selves if you want to.

August 14, 2006
The UK Terror plot: what's really going on?


I have been reading very carefully through all the Sunday newspapers to try
and analyse the truth from all the scores of pages claiming to detail the
so-called bomb plot. Unlike the great herd of so-called security experts
doing the media analysis, I have the advantage of having had the very
highest security clearances myself, having done a huge amount of
professional intelligence analysis, and having been inside the spin
machine.

So this, I believe, is the true story.

None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane
ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the
UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite
some time.

In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports,
it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt
that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever
rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.

What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a
year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like
me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early
arrests.

Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot
to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned
up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani
dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I
witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information
this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they
might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What
it doesn't give is the truth.

The gentleman being "interrogated" had fled the UK after being wanted for
questioning over the murder of his uncle some years ago. That might be felt
to cast some doubt on his reliability. It might also be felt that factors
other than political ones might be at play within these relationships. Much
is also being made of large transfers of money outside the formal economy.
Not in fact too unusual in the British Muslim community, but if this
activity is criminal, there are many possibilities that have nothing to do
with terrorism.

We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing the
possible arrests over the weekend. Why? I think the answer to that is
plain. Both in desperate domestic political trouble, they longed for
"Another 9/11". The intelligence from Pakistan, however dodgy, gave them a
new 9/11 they could sell to the media. The media has bought, wholesale, all
the rubbish they have been shovelled.

We then have the appalling political propaganda of John Reid, Home
Secretary, making a speech warning us all of the dreadful evil threatening
us and complaining that "Some people don't get" the need to abandon all our
traditional liberties. He then went on, according to his own propaganda
machine, to stay up all night and minutely direct the arrests. There could
be no clearer evidence that our Police are now just a political tool. Like
all the best nasty regimes, the knock on the door came in the middle of the
night, at 2.30am. Those arrested included a mother with a six week old
baby.

For those who don't know, it is worth introducing Reid. A hardened
Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling
Univeristy he was the Communist Party's "Enforcer", (in days when the
Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should
not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover).
Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line.

We will now never know if any of those arrested would have gone on to make
a bomb or buy a plane ticket. Most of them do not fit the "Loner" profile
you would expect - a tiny percentage of suicide bombers have happy
marriages and young children. As they were all under surveillance, and
certainly would have been on airport watch lists, there could have been
little danger in letting them proceed closer to maturity - that is
certainly what we would have done with the IRA.

In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is
deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one
thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only
twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment
of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most
of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted,
are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence
the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they
had shattered.

Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.

[bwana]

What's that got to do with this thread? :confused:

EDIT - and deducting what happened based on the sunday papers? I read once in a sunday paper that hitler was camped out on the dark side of the moon so it must be true. :rolleyes:

[SuperAntMD]

Must be why the call it "the dark side"

[bwana]

Must be why the call it "the dark side"If I recall he had flown there in a converted B52 - never mind that the buff's maiden flight wasnt until the 1950s.

[nocilah]

:eek:

OK, so a politically incorrect thread has recently been posted and then pretty quickly removed (regarding Mr Mandela). Sorry, but I think people should be able to say what they want, and others should be able to counter. This is what democracy is all about surely?

Not very impressed.

:mad:

i personally blame ajak. :D

[ajak]

i personally blame ajak. :D

ME? :D

[kilo39]

Yes, but we as forumites should be allowed to rebuke, surely this is just as inflamatory:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=50850


yes, we are all lovers, not fighters...we only fight when we have pms:)

laugh at ajak - that rebuke was obviously too inflammatory (as you pointed out!) - testy mods - er, not.

[krycor]

*yawn* missed this one. :/
btw is the dark side of the moon always dark?

[Telkomisaloser]

:eek:

OK, so a politically incorrect thread has recently been posted and then pretty quickly removed (regarding Mr Mandela). Sorry, but I think people should be able to say what they want, and others should be able to counter. This is what democracy is all about surely?

Not very impressed.

:mad:

I stole it ;)

[Skeptik]

None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane
ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the
UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite
some time...

Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.
Mi5 waited as long as they could. The CIA/FBI waited too long. One of the alleged bombers applied for a passport. These can be obtained in as little as a day (for a price). The Pakistanis have their methods and many a would-be terrorist has come to regret making Islamabad his base of operation. (Mind you Paddington Green nick can be a nasty place to be too).

[Inertia]

btw is the dark side of the moon always dark?

Negative, it goes 180 when it becomes the lightside. Unless you are referring to the 'side' of the moon that is always in darkness, which isn't really a side but more of 'the part of the moon which doesn't recieve any light', which in turns happens to be the whole moon over a period of 24 hours - thus coming to the conclusion that every 'side' of the moon is at one stage a dark side.

Therefore i'll answer your question with another question: Does a tree make a sound when it falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it?

[bwana]

Therefore i'll answer your question with another question: Does a tree make a sound when it falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it?Depends - is it a weeping willow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow)?

[jabulani]

Sorry, this is a kind of censorship, and I certainly didn't expect to find it here on MyADSL.:confused:

Lots of censorhip here. Look at the Forum Suggestions and Gripes. Threads from there on the issue have also been archived, but at least one is still there.

Live with it. :)

[bwana]

Lots of censorhip here. Look at the Forum Suggestions and Gripes. Threads from there on the issue have also been archived, but at least one is still there.

Live with it. :)What do you mean by archived? You know you can change the Display Options at the bottom of the Threads in Forum list to something more than 2 weeks. Since the beginning (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=123&page=1&pp=20&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=-1) there are 244 threads.

Its like that in all the forum sections here.

EDIT - just noticed you can also change the Default Thread Age Cut Off in your CP options. :)