rpm
01-11-2006, 10:36 AM
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/nephp/?m=show&id=4756
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Paul_S
01-11-2006, 10:47 AM
"The undersea telecommunications cable running down the west side of Africa was at full capacity"
Does she mean that "all the available bandwidth has been allocated" and Telkom may still be creating an artificial shortage by not using the full capacity of their allocation?
Does she mean that "all the available bandwidth has been allocated" and Telkom may still be creating an artificial shortage by not using the full capacity of their allocation?
Skip
01-11-2006, 10:56 AM
How does she know if it's at full capacity? Telkom refuse to release any data on the SAT-3 usage. If she's been privy to information then who were the sources and how was it verified. If she's just parroting what Telkom has told her I want 3rd party verification because I don't trust a word they say.
bwana
01-11-2006, 11:07 AM
How does she know if it's at full capacity? Telkom refuse to release any data on the SAT-3 usage. If she's been privy to information then who were the sources and how was it verified. If she's just parroting what Telkom has told her I want 3rd party verification because I don't trust a word they say.She doesnt know her arse from her elbow - I'm sure she just asked her boss at telkom what to say.
mavx
01-11-2006, 11:08 AM
Agreed, I dont think she even knows what she's talking about. If the country has indeed been running at capacity for who knows how long, is it because Telkom have sold off the rest of the bandwidth to other countries therefore leaving only a small portion left to this country? Surely with the small amount of Broadband users and available bandwidth we cannot be running at "capacity" ??!!??
Oupoot
01-11-2006, 11:11 AM
This article shows to me that either the minister is not sure what she is talking about, or she feels the NCOP is incompetent in comprehending the technicalities of telecommunications in SA and thus expressing it in simple language. However, as the other comments, where did she get her facts from? Or will if be the case of if you propagate it enough, people will start believing it? Or does govt now need to justify why they want another cable?
dh_guy
01-11-2006, 11:23 AM
I hardly expect a new cable to make it cheaper.
Once the cable is laid, they will say something like ...
"We now have to recoup the cost of laying a new cable, so this is the telecoms/networking rental and wotnot increase schedule for the next 5 years, above inflation"
The only way for DSL to get cheaper is competition.
The problem is not infrastructural , the problem is Telkom. They don't need to post a 3++Bn rand proffit each year. That's why ADSL and telephone calls are so expensive.
Once the cable is laid, they will say something like ...
"We now have to recoup the cost of laying a new cable, so this is the telecoms/networking rental and wotnot increase schedule for the next 5 years, above inflation"
The only way for DSL to get cheaper is competition.
The problem is not infrastructural , the problem is Telkom. They don't need to post a 3++Bn rand proffit each year. That's why ADSL and telephone calls are so expensive.
duderoo
01-11-2006, 11:31 AM
Speaking in the National Council of Provinces
Thats all they ever do..........:mad:
Thats all they ever do..........:mad:
Sneeky
01-11-2006, 12:27 PM
Prove it Ivy!
MadMailMan
01-11-2006, 12:42 PM
I think Ivy must be one of those people who get a 5 car escort with flashing lights down the M1/N1 during rush hour and believes that there is no traffic problems. We don't all live in La-la land Ivy. How about an independent assessment of our current international bandwidth usage. I'm sure BT would "lend" us a real expert for this.
libraliseit
01-11-2006, 12:46 PM
She also mentions Neotel making a difference by Christmas. Anyone know which Christmas?
MadMailMan
01-11-2006, 12:55 PM
Just got off the line with Santa and he said, "Certainly not this Christmas and next Christmas aint looking good either!" Then he said something about T-bone being a naughty boy and putting the wrong people in important government positions or something.
MFour
01-11-2006, 01:17 PM
Ah that would explain why I'm busy downloading a 8 meg file at 2.76 kb/s from an international website on a 512 DSL line...
kilps
01-11-2006, 01:29 PM
What information can we get under the access to information act from the DoC? I understand Telkom can't be forced but if Ivy knows something then surely we should?
krycor
01-11-2006, 01:33 PM
wow.. every other report contradicts this and says that the line is run in a under utilized fashion to protect profits. Do i believe her? Nope, she has till now done nothing for the greater good as such but just enough and always giving Telkom the edge why would this be any better? Me thinks this is part of tying to convince us that its an expensive thing due to utilization and because she knows she has to do something nxt yr.. and what better way to do nothing and give Telkom another eh 2 or 3 yrs of raping us. At the same time she can justify that infra co cable.. don't be surprised when she retires she is in charge of a telecoms company that resulted from laws passed.. she thinking of retirement like most ministers?
lenosb
01-11-2006, 02:20 PM
The undersea telecommunications cable running down the west side of Africa was "at full capacity" but my brain is only running at 1000th of it's full capacity Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri said on Tuesday. She was later heard asking if anyone had a doughnut to dunk before she took her afternoon nap with some Telkom exec....;)
Peter7
01-11-2006, 02:29 PM
Affordable broadband for SA.... don't think it's going to happen with current monopolistic telecoms environment and the corrupt political figures/organizations involved. But hey, maybe "they" start thinking about the little guy in the street...woops sorry was dozing off there for a sec.
saffakanera
01-11-2006, 02:50 PM
well! thats all she wrote folks! this is clearly a sign of bad government and under the table dealings, why, i never!
Now, i am not going to be the one to preach terrorism here, but some acting on behalf of the community would be nice, anybody up for a Toi Toi rally on Saturday? I have the afternoon free.
Regards.
LJR.
Now, i am not going to be the one to preach terrorism here, but some acting on behalf of the community would be nice, anybody up for a Toi Toi rally on Saturday? I have the afternoon free.
Regards.
LJR.
ic
01-11-2006, 02:59 PM
The undersea telecommunications cable running down the west side of Africa was "at full capacity" and the planned eastern cable linking east African and southern African states was key to providing affordable broadband to ordinary South Africans, Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri said on Tuesday.:mad: Lier Lier, Ivy your doughnuts are on fire!!!
Only a fraction of SAT-3 bandwidth is currently being used with all landing stations & traffic taken into account. Telkodemonopolies is still limiting the supply of SAT-3 bandwidth in order to maximise its profits.
Also, EASSy will *hopefully* provide a more affordable international bandwidth alternative to the monopolised SAT-3 cable, but EASSy does not address the cost of local|national bandwidth, which is still not affordable!!!
And what's this about "ordinary" South Africans - as opposed to the over-privelleged, fat-cat lazy guavaminterians...
Only a fraction of SAT-3 bandwidth is currently being used with all landing stations & traffic taken into account. Telkodemonopolies is still limiting the supply of SAT-3 bandwidth in order to maximise its profits.
Also, EASSy will *hopefully* provide a more affordable international bandwidth alternative to the monopolised SAT-3 cable, but EASSy does not address the cost of local|national bandwidth, which is still not affordable!!!
And what's this about "ordinary" South Africans - as opposed to the over-privelleged, fat-cat lazy guavaminterians...
kilo39
01-11-2006, 03:01 PM
Ivy has a sleeper car on the gravy train; she's simply telling the ticketman "I agree there will be no stops" on this line to nowhere.
ticketman = telkom
must be nice to be a boss and do nothing all day except make stupid statements about how stupid you are
have a donut ivy, enjoy the view, shacks, shacks, everywhere, as far as the eye can see - but this train makes no stops on our line to nowhere.
Sickening.
No accountability, no conscience.
ticketman = telkom
must be nice to be a boss and do nothing all day except make stupid statements about how stupid you are
have a donut ivy, enjoy the view, shacks, shacks, everywhere, as far as the eye can see - but this train makes no stops on our line to nowhere.
Sickening.
No accountability, no conscience.
gudgie
01-11-2006, 03:26 PM
there is no such thing as broad band in s.a. telkoms cable is oversubcibed, they are now using the back up one.
ivy is a shareholder of telkom and so is the rest of the tabonites , so they protect telkom
ivy is a shareholder of telkom and so is the rest of the tabonites , so they protect telkom
ivy is a shareholder of telkom and so is the rest of the tabonites , so they protect telkom
ivy is a shareholder of telkom and so is the rest of the tabonites , so they protect telkom
R4tt3xx
01-11-2006, 04:05 PM
Ivy is smoking her socks again
duderoo
01-11-2006, 04:44 PM
Did not think I would hear affordable and broadband in the same sentence.
bekdik
01-11-2006, 05:33 PM
I'm surprised she didn't advocate a beetroot/garlic/olive-oil link!
Prometheus
01-11-2006, 06:00 PM
Anybody know if she was talking about SAT or SAFE? SAT should be fairly new considering Telkom only has a 5 year monopoly on it which expires soon. If so then SAFE was initially for dial-up and because Telkom thinks we should still have dial-up speeds and bandwidth they are still using SAFE which means that it might very well be fully utilized by all the broadband connections so they can say that bandwidth is scarce.
Speaking in the National Council of Provinces, she said at the same time her department had set up an "unbundling the local loop committee" with the aim of expanding delivery and reducing prices.
Do they really need a committee to do that when we already gave them all the necessary details. Well, I guess they do the way they "bundled" up the new adsl regulations.
I hardly expect a new cable to make it cheaper.
Once the cable is laid, they will say something like ...
"We now have to recoup the cost of laying a new cable, so this is the telecoms/networking rental and wotnot increase schedule for the next 5 years, above inflation"
The new cable would make it cheaper once all the quarrels are resolved. You're right only in that only competition will make it affordable. That is exactly what the cable will provide as every major provider including Telkom (bugger) and Neotel (Yay) would have access at cost which is only a fraction of what Telkom charges for SAT-3 access and by that time the SAT-3 monopoly would also have ended. Problem is that nobody can wait until 2008. We can't even wait until May 2007.
Now, i am not going to be the one to preach terrorism here, but some acting on behalf of the community would be nice, anybody up for a Toi Toi rally on Saturday? I have the afternoon free.
Hell, I am, and it's only terrorism if your targets are civilians and not if they are political/government. Anyone up for blowing up the Icasa building? Under the Geneva convention you would be regarded as freedom fighters and when you win you'll be rewarded like the ANC. :D
I'm surprised she didn't advocate a beetroot/garlic/olive-oil link!
Good one, but I think it would have been an cup & string/battery & wire/flashlight & mirror link. :D
Speaking in the National Council of Provinces, she said at the same time her department had set up an "unbundling the local loop committee" with the aim of expanding delivery and reducing prices.
Do they really need a committee to do that when we already gave them all the necessary details. Well, I guess they do the way they "bundled" up the new adsl regulations.
I hardly expect a new cable to make it cheaper.
Once the cable is laid, they will say something like ...
"We now have to recoup the cost of laying a new cable, so this is the telecoms/networking rental and wotnot increase schedule for the next 5 years, above inflation"
The new cable would make it cheaper once all the quarrels are resolved. You're right only in that only competition will make it affordable. That is exactly what the cable will provide as every major provider including Telkom (bugger) and Neotel (Yay) would have access at cost which is only a fraction of what Telkom charges for SAT-3 access and by that time the SAT-3 monopoly would also have ended. Problem is that nobody can wait until 2008. We can't even wait until May 2007.
Now, i am not going to be the one to preach terrorism here, but some acting on behalf of the community would be nice, anybody up for a Toi Toi rally on Saturday? I have the afternoon free.
Hell, I am, and it's only terrorism if your targets are civilians and not if they are political/government. Anyone up for blowing up the Icasa building? Under the Geneva convention you would be regarded as freedom fighters and when you win you'll be rewarded like the ANC. :D
I'm surprised she didn't advocate a beetroot/garlic/olive-oil link!
Good one, but I think it would have been an cup & string/battery & wire/flashlight & mirror link. :D
Oupoot
01-11-2006, 07:07 PM
According to the SAT3 website (www.safe-sat3.co.za) it should have capacity of 120Gb/s. In addition, the SAFE cable (running to Asia) should have capacity of 130Gb/s. Assuming that only 50% of the broadband activity on SAT3 eminates from SA, that would mean that around (or on average) 60Gb of data is transmitted from SA to the rest of the world every second via SAT3. Extra demand could simply be transmitted via SAFE. Add to that that about 10% of data is transmitted via satellite. It would mean nearly all broadband connections in SA would constantly download/upload data from the rest of the world. there would not be space to allow for calls. This boggles me completely.
kifoth
02-11-2006, 08:53 AM
The undersea telecommunications cable running down the west side of Africa was "at full capacity" ... Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri said on Tuesday.
Someone please remind me what the rules are about lying to a parliamentary body?
Someone please remind me what the rules are about lying to a parliamentary body?
MFour
02-11-2006, 10:28 AM
Someone please remind me what the rules are about lying to a parliamentary body?
lol there are rules...did'nt know that :p
lol there are rules...did'nt know that :p
ic
02-11-2006, 05:29 PM
The undersea telecommunications cable running down the west side of Africa was "at full capacity" ... Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri said on Tuesday.Someone please remind me what the rules are about lying to a parliamentary body?I have occasionally been sufficiently bored to watch parliamentarians dead asleep on SABC TV, and they do seem to be able to get away with talking the biggest load of rubbish - especially the guavamintarians - no rules seem to apply to Ivy & her fellow shareholders...
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Please note that MyADSL cannot be associated with nor condone acts of violence - not even if they are directed at Telkodemonopolies and ICASA and the DoC, et al: two illegal actions do not add up to one correct and just action, also the end does not justify the means and all that.
@kuga, welcome to MyADSL :).</added>
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Please note that MyADSL cannot be associated with nor condone acts of violence - not even if they are directed at Telkodemonopolies and ICASA and the DoC, et al: two illegal actions do not add up to one correct and just action, also the end does not justify the means and all that.
@kuga, welcome to MyADSL :).</added>
Prometheus
02-11-2006, 08:48 PM
I have occasionally been sufficiently bored to watch parliamentarians dead asleep on SABC TV, and they do seem to be able to get away with talking the biggest load of rubbish - especially the guavamintarians - no rules seem to apply to Ivy & her fellow shareholders...
Is there a difference between the two? :confused:
Is there a difference between the two? :confused:
kilo39
03-11-2006, 05:14 AM
Is there a difference between the two? :confused:Um, one is a fruit?
:)
:)
ic
03-11-2006, 09:45 AM
I have occasionally been sufficiently bored to watch parliamentarians dead asleep on SABC TV, and they do seem to be able to get away with talking the biggest load of rubbish - especially the guavamintarians - no rules seem to apply to Ivy & her fellow shareholders...
Is there a difference between the two? :confused:Guavamintarians is the subset of parliamentarians that are members of guavamint [MPeez], whilst parliamentarians includes all MPeez, and yes gavamintarians are akin to a rotten fruit.
Is there a difference between the two? :confused:Guavamintarians is the subset of parliamentarians that are members of guavamint [MPeez], whilst parliamentarians includes all MPeez, and yes gavamintarians are akin to a rotten fruit.
Zabzoo
03-11-2006, 10:06 AM
She Can't do anything, because Telkom will take her Car, Her Telephone, Her Office, Her Internet Connection and HER secret holidays away from her. Isn't this seen as bribing? Just wondering....
"I've learned that controlling the WORLD starts with ONE person, and a wee bit of money!!!" zabz
"I've learned that controlling the WORLD starts with ONE person, and a wee bit of money!!!" zabz
eremos
03-11-2006, 03:23 PM
She Can't do anything, because Telkom will take her Car, Her Telephone, Her Office, Her Internet Connection and HER secret holidays away from her. Isn't this seen as bribing? Just wondering....
"I've learned that controlling the WORLD starts with ONE person, and a wee bit of money!!!" zabz
Giving them is bribery. Threatening to take them away again is blackmail :D
"I've learned that controlling the WORLD starts with ONE person, and a wee bit of money!!!" zabz
Giving them is bribery. Threatening to take them away again is blackmail :D
Prometheus
03-11-2006, 11:06 PM
Guavamintarians is the subset of parliamentarians that are members of guavamint [MPeez], whilst parliamentarians includes all MPeez, and yes gavamintarians are akin to a rotten fruit.
Err... ok then. :/ They are both from the same useless tree imo. :sick:
Err... ok then. :/ They are both from the same useless tree imo. :sick: