So...What do you people think of Ford.

[a-person]

Personally, I love the Focus and Fiesta ST. But what do you guys think of all the other cars Ford has to offer?

[a-person]

Would you buy any Ford?

[Leitmotif]

Don't buy a GT :p

One of my favourite vehicles of all time is the 1967 Shelby Mustang GT500...

[adamr]

im not a ford guy .. but i def will buy a 2 door Focus ST in electric orange

[a-person]

Ye that thing was awesome.... but do you reckon the Fords we have in this country are cool? I'm considering buying one...but I'd like to get some other peeps decisions. Anyone own one?

[MrJones]

Never really been a fan myself, but the Focus and Fiesta are supposed to be really good cars, I have some friends who own them and they are really happy.

[a-person]

im not a ford guy .. but i def will buy a 2 door Focus ST in electric orange

I guess you saw the TV ad then?

[a-person]

but think on this...given the choice between a Focus ST or a BMW in the same price range...knowing that the BM would be a LOT slower, what would you take?

[Natas]

I would kill for a FORD F-250 but would would sell my own first bor child for a FORD F-350!!!!!

[a-person]

settle for a Bantam boet. hee hee. but they're good little cars man.

[orin76]

I'd probably take the Ford. BMW's are awesome cars, but they're getting more common than Citi golfs on Joburg streets.

[a-person]

that's for sure. anyone for Ford Ka? Personally I think they should add another K to the end of Ka...

[JK8]

Nah not a fan of Fords, although they have stepped up their game since those old Mondeo's and Fiesta's.
They still suck IMO, and still cant stand up to the German dominance!

They decently priced though with lots features.

[adamr]

I guess you saw the TV ad then?

no ... saw it in person and test drove one ... really amazing car ... 2.5 turbo = fast

[Pitbull]

I hated Ford.

I'm thinking of Buying an ST ... Does that answer your question ?

[a-person]

ye... i wonder if a BMW in the same price range has similar or better features? looks aside?

[a-person]

I hated Ford.

I'm thinking of Buying an ST ... Does that answer your question ?

I'm also considering an ST in white, but I just don't know yet. Does nobody here own one?

How come you hated Ford? I reckon they lost a bit of ground, but they have caught up, especially locally.

[adamr]

i drove one and i drove alot of other cars... and the value for money question ... no doubt the ST is a bargain ... built in th uk .. good standard spec. jus amazing ... can get a good discount on one also .... my buddies ordered a ST 3 door with sunroof ... worked out to R225k ... just ask the dealer for a discount and they will give you one ...
EDIT: Find an indian dealer they tend to give you the best discounts ... seriously :)

[Pitbull]

A mate of mine drives one... OMG !!!!

I hated Ford as from the days of the Capri, XR3 Escort etc.
Those cars where rubbish. The tech. was out dated etc. Then you also get your FORD fanatics... I think it's a mater of taste. I have owned a Ford Explorer, Import. No issues @ all since then my perseption has changed.. But only on the newer versions of FORD. Anything after 2000. But if I can't buy an ST I won't bother.

[Edwe]

For no specific reason Ford just doesn't appeal to me, except for the Mustang series, but they're not available in South Africa. I wouldn't ever consider buying one. I'd rather buy a VW or a BMW, depending on which price range I am considering.

[MrJones]

but think on this...given the choice between a Focus ST or a BMW in the same price range...knowing that the BM would be a LOT slower, what would you take?

For me it would be down to what would give me a better trade in on my next purchase.

[GangStarr]

ye... and there focus.... oooooo now thats a car



1,999 cc 2 liters in-line 4 front engine with 87.4 mm bore, 83.1 mm stroke, 10 compression ratio, double overhead cam and four valves per cylinder Duratec 20
- Unleaded fuel 87
- Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 35 and EPA city (mpg): 26
- Multi-point injection fuel system
- 14 gallon main unleaded fuel tank
- Power: 101 kW , 136 HP SAE @ 6,000 rpm; 133 ft lb , 180 Nm @ 4,500 rpm


but i think id go ST :D

[a-person]

fair enough. doesn't ST make you wanna drive. %^* an ST is fast. 166kW! I think that's even one more kW than the old S3. and that S3 is still niiiiiiiiiiiiice

[NaZKuL]

hehe... Ford KA baby!

[Pitbull]

fair enough. doesn't ST make you wanna drive. %^* an ST is fast. 166kW! I think that's even one more kW than the old S3. and that S3 is still niiiiiiiiiiiiice

Take a ST for a test drive. I promise you ..... You'll buy it right there. I drove the Focus ST (My Mate's) and if I can get a good deal on 1 It's sold !!!!

[GangStarr]

166Kw MMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm thats just asking for trouble.Too much torque :p

[spiderz]

Naaa, i'll go for a Range rover, since ford owns them 2 :D

[John H]

Somehow I cannot imagine a Ford bakkie doing more than 1 000 000 km like a Toyota 2.4D
I also think the engines of the new Toyota bakkies are crap, the ol' 2.4D can go forever.
IMO any Ford can do about 50 000km then it must go to the scrap yard.

[Leitmotif]

Friend of mine has a new Fiesta. Loves it. Another has a some sort of really fast Focus. (I'm not much for cars) Looks a lot like the Fiesta except with stripes and whatnot, but he recommends it.

[orin76]

IMO any Ford can do about 50 000km then it must go to the scrap yard.

That's my one remaining reservation with Ford. I had the same concern regarding VW until the Golf IV. I'm not the kind of guy who changes cars every 3 years so longevity is very important. I guess I'll know in 5 or 6 years time.

[a-person]

listen to this, i heard that Ford is offering a 300 000km warranty on one of it's bakkies... so that scraps the 50 000km then junk yard idea...

[jontyB]

Ford pfffft. Mazda 6 MPS FTW (http://www.disiturbo.co.za/index.php).

[GangStarr]

ok whats fords fastes sedan?
MPS ALL THE WAYYYYYYYYYYY!! :D :D :D

[a-person]

Focus ST will kill a Mazda 3/6 MPS!

[GangStarr]

Focus ST will kill a Mazda 3/6 MPS!

explain your self?

[telkomsuig]

I heard ford is thinking of putting in larger cup holders so you can fit a bottle of klipdrift in one one of them and a 2l coke in the other one..

[Edwe]

I heard ford is thinking of putting in larger cup holders so you can fit a bottle of klipdrift in one one of them and a 2l coke in the other one..

ROFL :D Good one, telkomsuig.

[simple_simon]

my next car is definetly a diesel.....the fiesta diesel i shall consider

[jontyB]

Focus ST will kill a Mazda 3/6 MPS!
Only in your dreams.

[Pitbull]

Focus ST will kill a Mazda 3/6 MPS!

Focus... Normal Aspirated.
MPS... Turbo charged.

Close race.

Drop a T66 Ballbearing Turbo on an ST.

M5 Eater "Pappie"...

Stop trying to tell me " 'n Skaap is a Scrambler !"

[John H]

300 000km

At 1litre oil/km...

[a-person]

hey jontyB go online and compare the specs, around a track i'm afraid the ST will take 'em...admitted, probably not in a straight line.

[a-person]

Focus... Normal Aspirated.
MPS... Turbo charged.

Close race.

Drop a T66 Ballbearing Turbo on an ST.

M5 Eater "Pappie"...

Stop trying to tell me " 'n Skaap is a Scrambler !"

hey boet, focus ST is a 2.5liter turbocharged engine.

[Pitbull]

hey boet, focus ST is a 2.5liter turbocharged engine.

lol... Ok then it is an M5 Eater already !

AFAIK the 1 my mate drives is an ST but not a Turbo... / Off to phone James

[simple_simon]

I heard ford is thinking of putting in larger cup holders so you can fit a bottle of klipdrift in one one of them and a 2l coke in the other one..

rofl

[Pitbull]

@A-person.

Your correct it has a Turbo /Dropping my head in shame.

Here is the Spec sheet.

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:np4Ts0SlJp0J:www.durbanmotorshow.co .za/content/media/releases/Focus%2520ST%2520Specifications.xls+ST+(Specs)&hl=en&gl=za&ct=clnk&cd=1

[JK8]

OMW!!! Ford focus is crap!!!

Anyone raced them against the Gti, lol they not in front and Gti DSg just runs away!!

And bad news for ST fans Gti stubs the ST this year May when they release the Gti R 167kw lol!! (I personally thing it shoulda been 177kw, but anyway).

Gti all the way!!!:D

[a-person]

here's some figures...seems pretty close....

"Just for know, here are some test figures for the R32 vs Mazda 3 MPS vs Focus ST vs OPS (and please nobody shoot me, I know we have diffirent fuels and altitude and blah blah...this test was done in Germany, I got the whole PDF, but it's in German)...all of these cabs tested were Manual 6-Speed..."


Test FORD MAZDA OPEL VW
0-50km/h 2.9s 2.9s 2.8s 2.0s
0-100km/h 7.2s 6.9s 6.9s 6.3s
60-100km/h (4th) 4.7s 4.2s 5.1s 5.1s
80-120km/h (6th) 8.3s 8.1s 8.9s 8.9s
100-0km/h (cold) 36.8m 37.5m 37.0m 36.0m
100-0km/h (hot) 36.5m 36.8m 37.2m 36.3m
Top Speed km/h 241 250(limited) 244 250(limited)

[Pitbull]

LMAO.

It's all about the driver clutch control etc. There is no-way that a GTI would win a ST without The driver not knowing sh.t about driving.... A real racer vs a real racer... ST by 20 Meters on a 1/4 mile.... LMAO

[JK8]

LMAO.

It's all about the driver clutch control etc. There is no-way that a GTI would win a ST without The driver not knowing sh.t about driving.... A real racer vs a real racer... ST by 20 Meters on a 1/4 mile.... LMAO

I can only suggest you try it, thats all I can say!
Put the ST up to a new 330 if you can Lol!
And also another one to try, Gti4 132kw VS S2000 lol, poor Jap cars!:p

[a-person]

LMAO.

It's all about the driver clutch control etc. There is no-way that a GTI would win a ST without The driver not knowing sh.t about driving.... A real racer vs a real racer... ST by 20 Meters on a 1/4 mile.... LMAO

so are you saying that GTi would win against an ST?

[a-person]

OMW!!! Ford focus is crap!!!

Anyone raced them against the Gti, lol they not in front and Gti DSg just runs away!!

And bad news for ST fans Gti stubs the ST this year May when they release the Gti R 167kw lol!! (I personally thing it shoulda been 177kw, but anyway).

Gti all the way!!!:D

not a chance mate. CAR Magazine did ST v GTI v OPC and OPC came out tops, ST a very close second and GTi a flagging third.

sorry boss. you can get a back order, i think one or two editions ago. and even earlier than that they did ST v GTI DSG and i remember a quote where they said "that from third gear the ST pulls noticeable car lengths ahead..." that was about 4 or 5 editions ago...

[Pitbull]

so are you saying that GTi would win against an ST?

NEVER ! Not even running on 3 Cylinders

[JK8]

not a chance mate. CAR Magazine did ST v GTI v OPC and OPC came out tops, ST a very close second and GTi a flagging third.

sorry boss. you can get a back order, i think one or two editions ago. and even earlier than that they did ST v GTI DSG and i remember a quote where they said "that from third gear the ST pulls noticeable car lengths ahead..." that was about 4 or 5 editions ago...

I know I subscribe to car.

BUT!! In real life now, we tried it, 2 Gtis(1 DSG) 1 ST, 1 new 330.
The ST came last we had about 30 runs up down, perfect racing conditons for turbo cars, ice cold air just after the rains in November.

The ST drivers only responce was, guys my engines tight (the car was brand new 1500km on the clock). We still waiting for him!:D

[orin76]

JK8, what you should try next time is swapping drivers. That should eliminate any skill advantage once the driver has adjusted to the handling of the different car. I've managed to beat BMW 320s on winding roads with a Honda Ballade 150i purely because the other driver has no idea how to drive.

[JK8]

JK8, what you should try next time is swapping drivers. That should eliminate any skill advantage once the driver has adjusted to the handling of the different car. I've managed to beat BMW 320s on winding roads with a Honda Ballade 150i purely because the other driver has no idea how to drive.

We did! Except with the BM.

And beat the average driver in a BM on winding road is understandable, I wouldnt push a BM hard on a winding road, if the back steps out you dead! (exageration)
FWD vs RWD on bends. It happens.

[a-person]

ah screw it chaps...let's just buy ourselves M3s or RS4s...then we don't have to worry about all this competition. we'll become the standard.

[orin76]

ah screw it chaps...let's just buy ourselves M3s or RS4s...then we don't have to worry about all this competition. we'll become the standard.

Now that's an idea. Just need to sell the house first :)

[web]

Or you could all buy Subaru's and then have some real fun ;)

[a-person]

hehe, ask Audi for a fold out bed originating from the boot as part of the deal, and maybe a little stove and a reading light and fridge that can plug into the car lighter. I would do it. Dunno what you'd do about the wife and kids if you have though...

[orin76]

hehe, ask Audi for a fold out bed originating from the boot as part of the deal, and maybe a little stove and a reading light and fridge that can plug into the car lighter. I would do it. Dunno what you'd do about the wife and kids if you have though...

lol :D

[adamr]

ST is quicker ... trust me ... stock vs stock ... a chipped GTI or ST gives an E46 M a run for its money ... friend had both the GTI and ST ... ST def quicker ... and yes a car with 1500km on the motor is tight ... i remember when my buddy bought his M3 and we raced i would pull him like 7 cars all the way to limiter ... and that is M3 vs M3 ... but after the motor was run in i could not pull like that again... cars were equal ... and yes alot of people dont know how to drive these cars ... best rev to change at etc etc etc

[a-person]

I drive a RunX RSi...not as fast as these chaps but the engine and gearbox on those cars only break in from 5000kms. The difference is huge. CAR Magazine did it and on an RSi with 1000kms on the clock they got just less than 9.5 secs and after 5000kms they got 7.72....but that was many editions ago...in 2003 some time.

[OhGats]

I had a ford tracer for nearly 5 years and it ended up with almost 80 000 kilos, never gave me any hassles and went very well. It had no bells or whistles (lots of squeaks tho) but was a good reliable vehicle. I am not a ford fan though (Found on the Rubbish Dump) and their current offering in the lowe end of the market is a joke.... as somebody said, another K is needed.

[Claymore]

Personally, I love the Focus and Fiesta ST. But what do you guys think of all the other cars Ford has to offer?

I posted this in my blog the other day:


VW, Ford, and image
I visited a couple of VW dealerships and a few Ford dealerships last week in my quest for touch-up paint, and I was struck by some of the differences between the VW and Ford dealerships.

First was the service centre. At the VW dealers, the drop-off area for your car service was either part of the new car sales area, or very nearby, and done with the same smart décor. The Ford dealerships, by contrast, had the service area separate, sometimes even completely around the block. The Ford areas usually had reasonable seating and so forth, but the décor was not nearly as upmarket as the rest of the dealership.

Then there were display cabinets. At the VW dealerships I saw glass cabinets containing samples of things you could buy: caps, T-shirts, fancy key-rings, VW-branded pens, Maglites, and other smart-looking nicknacks and lifestyle accessories. There were no such things at the Ford dealerships, except in the parts departments, where a couple had rather down-market cabinets bearing caps, car wash kits, and parts samples. Ford may not sell touch-up paint (which I find near-incomprehensible from a product support point of view), but they do sell some nice accessories, like Mondeo-branded picnic baskets, roof-racks, floor mats, and so forth. It's a pity that they're almost certainly not in stock, they're not on display, and you have to ask to see an accessories catalogue to see what's available.

Now, I can't speak for other brands, but it seems to me that Ford's image projection and marketing are woefully deficient. VW are fostering pride not only in the cars, but in the whole VW brand, while Ford owners may have pride in the capability of their cars, but not in the image of the brand, per se. Maybe this is one of the reasons that VW have such a strong brand in South Africa.

Such a difference could be made if dealers improved brand image. it doesn't need to be big stuff. It could be little things, like having for sale smart-looking accessories, like branded Maglites, coffee mugs, jackets, penknives, and that sort of thing. Little gifts could make a huge difference to image too: things like getting a free Ford-branded coffee mug when you have your car serviced, or a free Ford-branded Swiss Army knife when you buy a new car from Ford. A dealer could, when you buy a car, include a colour catalogue of accessories you can buy for the car; not only would it make them money, but it would give the customer an image of their car as the centre of a lifestyle product.

Why don't the manufacturers' marketing departments see this sort of thing?

Fords of recent years have been much better. Materials and build quality have improved vastly from the Sierras and Escorts of the 1990s, and handling is generally top notch, as acknowledged by motoring reviews. As I mention above, though, Ford has an image problem in SA, and I think a lot of it is due to a below-standard dealer network.

I have a Mondeo, and it's a stunning car. Reliable, cheap parts, decent performance, excellent handling, well-built, and it has a smorgasbord of features, like leather seats, power driver's seat, front and side airbags, ABS, ESP, climate control, cruise control, etc etc. Really good value for money. My previous car was a 1999 Mondeo (the previous model), and while the interior quality was not as good as the new model, it was totally competent and reliable. I traded it in at 207000km.

[Claymore]

I am not a ford fan though (Found on the Rubbish Dump) and their current offering in the lowe end of the market is a joke.... as somebody said, another K is needed.

The Ka is actually a nice little vehicle. With wheels on the corners, it has nice handling, and is really nippy. And you get power steering, ABS, airbag and CD player standard, and on the middle option, you get aircon too. The engine is the reliable 1.3 Rocam. Styling may not be to your tastes, but there's not much else better in that end of the market.

[VernD]

Naaa, i'll go for a Range rover, since ford owns them 2 :D

Newsflash: Ford owns Volvo too. Your options just got better :D

[JK8]

Newsflash: Ford owns Volvo too. Your options just got better :D

Compared to VW's Buggati, Lamborghini, Audi, Bentley, SEAT. With a very high aquisition in Porsche too.

Still wanna play?:D

[Pitbull]

Compared to VW's Buggati, Lamborghini, Audi, Bentley, SEAT. With a very high aquisition in Porsche too.

Still wanna play?:D

LOL... no disrespect meant by this...

Your a Charro right ?

[web]

Compared to VW's Buggati, Lamborghini, Audi, Bentley, SEAT. With a very high aquisition in Porsche too.

Still wanna play?:D

mmm actually Porsche own 29 % of VW , not VW owning Porsche.

[VernD]

Compared to VW's Buggati, Lamborghini, Audi, Bentley, SEAT. With a very high aquisition in Porsche too.

Still wanna play?:D

Oh, forgot to throw in MG, plus the fact that FORD does Jag engines; oh yes I still wanna play.

[VernD]

As to the question of purchasing a Ford, I definitely would. Own a Mazda myself and Porters will give me a goode trade-in for it. Plus, Fiesta and Focus are very reasonably priced. Another brownie point for Ford and Mazda, of most of the popular marques, their product and service sucks the least.

[JK8]

Oh, forgot to throw in MG, plus the fact that FORD does Jag engines; oh yes I still wanna play.

Lol you got Ford, MG(bankrupt company), Jaguar and Range Rover VS Buggatti, Lambo, Bentley, Audi and VW?

Yes Pitbull I am:)

[icyrus]

Compared to VW's Buggati, Lamborghini, Audi, Bentley, SEAT. With a very high aquisition in Porsche too.

Still wanna play?:D

Ford own Aston Martin...

[Pitbull]

Lol you got Ford, MG(bankrupt company), Jaguar and Range Rover VS Buggatti, Lambo, Bentley, Audi and VW?

Yes Pitbull I am:)

Only reason I asked was because of your very clear passion for VW.

I drive Polo Tec 2.0 and love my Baby.....
But I would also like to own a Ford Focus ST

[mac_mac74]

OMW!!! Ford focus is crap!!!

Anyone raced them against the Gti, lol they not in front and Gti DSg just runs away!!

And bad news for ST fans Gti stubs the ST this year May when they release the Gti R 167kw lol!! (I personally thing it shoulda been 177kw, but anyway).

Gti all the way!!!:D

ya its a pity they dont tell ya that the GTi motor is in fact an Audi motor.
AUDI all the way!!!!!

[icyrus]

ya its a pity they dont tell ya that the GTi motor is in fact an Audi motor.
AUDI all the way!!!!!

Exactly, I'd much rather have the A3 then the Golf.

[adamr]

On the VW side we have ....

Lambo Gallardo = sweeeet!!!
Lambo Murcielago = sweeeeet!!!
SEAT ... mmm i dunno .... might have the mechanics of a GTi but def not the looks
Audi RS4 ... sweeet!!
Porsche 997 Turbo ... sweeet!!!
GTi ... sweeeet!!!
Bugatti ... sweeet!!!!

Ford side we have:
Aston DBS (Casino Royale one)= sweeeet!
Ford GT ...... mmmm i dunno ... dont like the interior considering you paying millions for the car
Focus ST ... sweeet!!!!
Jag ... nooit ... will not buy a jag ... cant think of a nice model in the Jag range
Range Rover Sport ... sweeet!!!
MG ... nooit!!!
Volvo ... the S40 drop is very pretty and the T5 is a T5 ... sweeet!!!

so i guess VW wins ...

[icyrus]

On the VW side we have ....
Aston DBS (Casino Royale one)= sweeeet!

Huh? I thought Ford still owns Aston?

[adamr]

oops you right ... wrong category ... thanks for pointing that out

[Random717]

Jaguar makes some decent cars..
the S-Type R for one
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=231614&fSectionId=858&fSetId=381
and then take a look at this concept car :D
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=3468&fArticleId=3611288

[mac_mac74]

Jaguar makes some decent cars..
the S-Type R for one
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=231614&fSectionId=858&fSetId=381
and then take a look at this concept car :D
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=3468&fArticleId=3611288

the scary thing is , they are the only decent British (thats if someone else has not bought them yet) car left (stay away , stay very far away) , i agree they are pretty nice lookers.

[BCO]

Adam, Porsche isn't a VW brand. In fact Porsche owns 20-something % of VW.

Also you forgot to mention on the VW side - Citi R: not sweeeeet.

[VernD]

Lol you got Ford, MG(bankrupt company), Jaguar and Range Rover VS Buggatti, Lambo, Bentley, Audi and VW?

Let's see who's still standing on your list:
Bugatti - Check :)
Lambo - Check :)
Bentley - :confused: Chrysler managed to knock off their product with the 300C; also Bentley and Rolls Royce look too much alike - more knock-offs ? hmmmm
VW - unreliable products and even worse service, and that's just local. Of late, there's been a lot of complaints about their products, especially their turbo-diesel offerings; I happen to know of quite a few people who've had problems with brand new VW TDI's
Audi - since they're wholly-owned by VW, you can probably expect the same dismal products and services as VW, especially since Audi uses the same VW engines

[adamr]

"...taking 7.1 seconds to reach 100km/h. That's nowhere near the 5.6 claimed by Jaguar and too slow to worry a manual BMW M5, which really does do 0-100km/h in 5.6..."

i remembered that when i had the M ... so thats why for me there aint a Jag worth remembering ....

[adamr]

Adam, Porsche isn't a VW brand. In fact Porsche owns 20-something % of VW.

Also you forgot to mention on the VW side - Citi R: not sweeeeet.

VW/Porsche and AUdi ... they the same in my opinion ... esp the relationship between Audi and Porsche ... so will keep it under VW ...

I was thinking of it as cars from the same stable ...

[mac_mac74]

Let's see who's still standing on your list:
Bugatti - Check :)
Lambo - Check :)
Bentley - :confused: Chrysler managed to knock off their product with the 300C; also Bentley and Rolls Royce look too much alike - more knock-offs ? hmmmm
VW - unreliable products and even worse service, and that's just local. Of late, there's been a lot of complaints about their products, especially their turbo-diesel offerings; I happen to know of quite a few people who've had problems with brand new VW TDI's
Audi - since they're wholly-owned by VW, you can probably expect the same dismal products and services as VW, especially since Audi uses the same VW engines

correction, VW uses some of Audi motors, Audi are fully imported, whereas the VW is assembled locally (that includes engine components).
Audi - yep i agree crap service, i disagree in the reliability comment though.

[Aqua_lung]

Bugatti ... sweeet!!!!


I think you meant...

Bugatti Veyron...
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!! !!

[Random717]

"...taking 7.1 seconds to reach 100km/h. That's nowhere near the 5.6 claimed by Jaguar and too slow to worry a manual BMW M5, which really does do 0-100km/h in 5.6..."

i remembered that when i had the M ... so thats why for me there aint a Jag worth remembering ....

well the Jaguar is almost R300k cheaper.. I'd also go for the M5 if I could afford it.

[adamr]

I think you meant...

Bugatti Veyron...
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!! !!

LOL ... true .. saw that Top Gear Episode which can be found on You Tube against the plane ... wow!!!

[Aqua_lung]

LOL ... true .. saw that Top Gear Episode which can be found on You Tube against the plane ... wow!!!

Saw it on BBC world sunday, but to be honest, wasn't much of a race lol, they let Clarkson in the Veyron win by delaying for 2 hours with inspection etc, then decide on taking the scenic route along the med coast, and then James May not being able to fly in evening lol, they knew we all wanted the Veyron to win

[JK8]

Lol wait wait wait...

Who uses whos engines?

Audi uses VW engines not the other way around!

Eg, Gti engine is the same in a 2.0T A3 not the other way around, The New R32 engine is the same in the 3.2 Quattro A3, the Toureg 3.2 the Passat and now the Baby Porsche Cayenne.

Audi and Porsche have been best friends for years!! Look at the Audi RS2 it has original Porsche brake calipers and the mirrors, and the RS2 was a production car.

And just to add to Adamr statement..

On the VW side we have ....

Lambo Gallardo = sweeeet!!!
Lambo Murcielago = sweeeeet!!!
SEAT ... mmm i dunno .... might have the mechanics of a GTi but def not the looks
Audi RS4 ... sweeet!!
You forgot the RS3, the RS6 and the ultimate RS8(with the Lambo Gallardo engine)
Porsche 997 Turbo ... sweeet!!!
GTi ... sweeeet!!! + R32 and later the 300kw R GTi!
Bugatti ... sweeet!!!! 0-100 2.9 sec - enough said!!

Ford side we have:
Aston DBS (Casino Royale one)= sweeeet!
Ford GT ...... mmmm i dunno ... dont like the interior considering you paying millions for the car
Focus ST ... sweeet!!!!
Jag ... nooit ... will not buy a jag ... cant think of a nice model in the Jag range
Range Rover Sport ... sweeet!!!
MG ... nooit!!!
Volvo ... the S40 drop is very pretty and the T5 is a T5 ... sweeet!!!

so i guess VW wins ...

[nocilah]

Nah not a fan of Fords, although they have stepped up their game since those old Mondeo's and Fiesta's.
They still suck IMO, and still cant stand up to the German dominance!

They decently priced though with lots features.

the ford fiesta and focus are designed and manufactured in Germany.

and bear in mind bmw are bavarian crap. :D

[mac_mac74]

the ford fiesta and focus are designed and manufactured in Germany.

and bear in mind bmw are bavarian crap. :D

Im not a BMW fan, but they can take a piece of dog turd stick a BMW badge to it and sell it, just have a look at the 1 series

[nocilah]

JK8, what you should try next time is swapping drivers. That should eliminate any skill advantage once the driver has adjusted to the handling of the different car. I've managed to beat BMW 320s on winding roads with a Honda Ballade 150i purely because the other driver has no idea how to drive.

it is all about the driver.

the fiesta and focus are well known for their handling ability.

in fact even the ford ka has great handling.

although build qaulity of the fiesta needs some more tweaking IMHO.

Focus vs GTi - I think they both awesome cars.

Polo GTi anyone heard anything?

[nocilah]

Im not a BMW fan, but they can take a piece of dog turd stick a BMW badge to it and sell it, just have a look at the 1 series

well i will admit the m3 was cool.

but yeah i dont really enjoy BMW design at all. They beginning to smack of the Nokia type model frenzy.

and seriously i was next to a series 1 bmw this morning and dont you guys think it is a very feminine/gay type of car?

i dunno - just seems wrong when you see a dude it in it.

and for fun best lesbain car? anyone?

[mac_mac74]

whats a lesbain?

[adamr]

its the counterpart of a lesbian (like male /female) ...

[JK8]

it is all about the driver.

the fiesta and focus are well known for their handling ability.

in fact even the ford ka has great handling.

although build qaulity of the fiesta needs some more tweaking IMHO.

Focus vs GTi - I think they both awesome cars.

Polo GTi anyone heard anything?

I got one, not impressed at all. Doesnt deserve the Gti badge, but its decent, in june im trading it in for a CitiR. :) (I know everyone has a problem with them, I dont they real drivers cars)

[Claymore]

"...taking 7.1 seconds to reach 100km/h. That's nowhere near the 5.6 claimed by Jaguar and too slow to worry a manual BMW M5, which really does do 0-100km/h in 5.6..."

i remembered that when i had the M ... so thats why for me there aint a Jag worth remembering ....

Where was that test done? The Jags had severe problems with reviews done in SA, because the supercharged engines did not like SA's 93 octane fuel much, even though they were detuned.

[Claymore]

Ford side we have:
Aston DBS (Casino Royale one)= sweeeet!
Ford GT ...... mmmm i dunno ... dont like the interior considering you paying millions for the car
Focus ST ... sweeet!!!!
Jag ... nooit ... will not buy a jag ... cant think of a nice model in the Jag range
Range Rover Sport ... sweeet!!!
MG ... nooit!!!
Volvo ... the S40 drop is very pretty and the T5 is a T5 ... sweeet!!!


MG? Since when do Ford own MG?

Don't forget the other Ford brands: Mercury and Lincoln.

[web]

MG? Since when do Ford own MG?

Don't forget the other Ford brands: Mercury and Lincoln.

Yip MG are now owned by the Chinese, Ford never owned them , i think

[JK8]

Yip MG are now owned by the Chinese, Ford never owned them , i think

I think BMW has MG and Rover but have no plans reviving them, they just keeping the Mini.

[icyrus]

I think BMW has MG and Rover but have no plans reviving them, they just keeping the Mini.

BMW ditched them ages ago

[adamr]

ok thought ford and MG were linked ... i cant say i know ...

[Gunny]

Has anyone mentioned that the focus ST uses the Volvo T5 motor ?

[adamr]

Has anyone mentioned that the focus ST uses the Volvo T5 motor ?

yes i did

[JK8]

Has anyone mentioned that the focus ST uses the Volvo T5 motor ?

So the new Volvo hatch will have the ST engine? 2.5 T5?
More Gti competition.
This markets getting interesting, VW golf6 might have to 2.5 turbo as well.:eek:
I dont think it will be long till we see sub 5 or sub 4 second hatches on our roads!:)

R32 + turbo please VW!:D

[VernD]

So the new Volvo hatch will have the ST engine? 2.5 T5?
More Gti competition.
This markets getting interesting, VW golf6 might have to 2.5 turbo as well.:eek:
I dont think it will be long till we see sub 5 or sub 4 second hatches on our roads!:)

R32 + turbo please VW!:D

From the sound of this post it's as if VW is the de facto standard - low standard I say :(

[JK8]

From the sound of this post it's as if VW is the de facto standard - low standard I say :(

Ofcourse it is and always has been. Where you living guy. All the manufacturers want to beat the benchmarks!

If you dont know who the mains one are, its Gti in the hatchback segment and the M3 in the sedan segment, but its German cars in general!;)

You ever noticed Car magazine headlines, Gti contender or M3 Eater.

[VernD]

Ofcourse it is and always has been. Where you living guy. All the manufacturers want to beat the benchmarks!

If you dont know who the mains one are, its Gti in the hatchback segment and the M3 in the sedan segment, but its German cars in general!;)

You ever noticed Car magazine headlines, Gti contender or M3 Eater.

IMHO, a standard/benchmark cannot be set by one model; even better said, one "good" model doesn't make for a good manufacturer/brand.

Secondly, your average joe public does not drive / cannot afford a M3 or a GTI, so they don't benchmark marques on models that they DON'T drive.

Thirdly, CAR magazine reviews/tests are written by motoring journalists and journalists are just people after all; yes, they back up their reviews with technical facts but at the end of the day, their bias does come through.

Finally, I love German cars as much as the next person but if SA manufacturers/dealers can't get it right in terms of product support, you won't see me throwing money at them.

[geekchick]

Only read this thread now-
got a focus 2 liter tdci

I love it - it pulls away like a dream- brilliant handling , and the fuel consumption is great-

would love an st now

[JK8]

Only read this thread now-
got a focus 2 liter tdci

I love it - it pulls away like a dream- brilliant handling , and the fuel consumption is great-

would love an st now

So how many times have you stalled it?:p

[geekchick]

So how many times have you stalled it?:p

Stalling is for amateurs- i have no graduated to spinning-:p

[VernD]

Stalling is for amateurs- i have no graduated to spinning-:p

That's my kind of chick :p Way 2 go.

[gustavdp]

I am gonna be hated for this... but I feel like trolling :whistle: ...

BUMP!!:cool:

[Rouxenator]

Ford is pretty good, especially since they are no longer under the dark cloud called SAMCOR. Most of the Fords in SA are from Ford Europe which is based in Cologne, Germany and those guys know a thing or two about making cars.

[curbs2012]

Well I own a 2007 Focus ST and I love it. Brings a smile to my face each time I start her up...