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nivek
14-01-2007, 10:20 PM
Furore erupts over racist slur
14/01/2007 19:23 - (SA)
Centurion - South African officials were on Sunday night investigating an incident during the fourth day of the first Test against Pakistan in which an unnamed South African allegedly made an insulting remark which was heard by television viewers around the world.
"They're like animals," was the comment picked up by a stump microphone which apparently had not been turned off as normally happens soon after a ball has been bowled.
South African coach Mickey Arthur said the comment had been the subject of complaining e-mails, "some from as far afield as Pakistan."
He said: "The comment was not aimed at any Pakistan player."
Arthur said the incident was the subject of an internal investigation. A statement would be issued on Monday. He said as far as he was aware it had not become a matter for match referee Chris Broad.
The comment was made shortly before lunch, soon after a complaint from the South African team about three spectators near the boundary who allegedly swore at bowler Paul Harris.
Terence Jacobs, head of security at the ground, said the three spectators, who were supporters of Pakistan, were questioned and two were asked to leave the ground after admitting that they had sworn at the players.
Arthur said he was not happy about the stump microphones.
"They are a bit intrusive," he said. "What is said on the field should stay on the field."
http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Cricket/0,9294,2-9-839_2054876,00.html
why is everything in the world about race? How does "They're like animals" lead to a racism accusation? really petty...
Guess the Paki's and their fans cant handle the pressure
Freshy-ZN
14-01-2007, 10:27 PM
If the cap fits.....
Calling someone an animal cos of their rude behaviour has no relation to race.
Jongi
14-01-2007, 10:57 PM
This does seem a bit of an over reaction going by that article
kiepie
14-01-2007, 11:00 PM
racist comments?? Dont totally agree
During a test match alot of chirping goes around
this not good for SA cricket or cricket overall.:( (the investigasion)
kiepie
14-01-2007, 11:05 PM
http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Cricket/0,,2-9-839_2054975,00.html
froggytoo
15-01-2007, 02:39 AM
Typical reponse where South African white players is involved, the race card gets pulled. How boring.
Luke7777
15-01-2007, 07:41 AM
My 2 Staffies weren't happy about that comment either....
All types of race is not allowed in sport, I guess only when the Aussies do it then its a problem...:rolleyes:
derekc
15-01-2007, 09:06 AM
All types of race is not allowed in sport, I guess only when the Aussies do it then its a problem...:rolleyes:
but the comment made weren't racist....read the news first. "They're like animals" is not a racist slur. It's just referring to them as being rude and they behave like animals.
but the comment made weren't racist....read the news first. "They're like animals" is not a racist slur. It's just referring to them as being rude and they behave like animals.
Lol there was something before that comment. Read the news.
It was These Fing Pakis behave like animals!
Besides all that there was more, thats when Neil Manthorpe said under the mike, we need to turn the stump mikes off.
Boodles
15-01-2007, 09:19 AM
....here we go again.
Man this 'type of thing' also happened in Australia when you guys toured there..
The unfortunate thing here is that the stump-mike picked it up - so thats something you cant get away from cause everyone hears it.
But to say that "They're like animals" - big deal. Oh, Shame.... they called them animals.
Players get called every name under the sun from spectators.
derekc
15-01-2007, 09:19 AM
and it was the Paki's that made the comments first wasn't it? I don't see a problem with that either. THEY were being rude...the Paki fans were acting like animals...they deserve to be called that then. there's NOTHING racist about it...and no, it's not because when the Aussies do it, it's racist...the Aussie taunts were very different to what was called here. JK8, stop adding fuel to the fire here.
ubberfunk
15-01-2007, 09:25 AM
they can turn it off and simply direct the noise to the 3rd umpire,But why on earth would they do that,The stump mike is more for the TV viewes,I personally get such a "warm feeling" when i hear the stumps been smashed by the bowler.
imagine watching the game without the snick'O' meter and not been able to hear an edge to the keeper.
ah well!! always happens in SA!!!
Nah dont turn it around.
They didnt say the wrong thing.
Stump mikes invasive?? Nah Mickey, your players know they are there - if they choose to ignore that fact the players must be responsible for what they say.
As to it being a race issue - make of it what you will - i am sure some choicer words have been exchanged on the field of play.
Boodles
15-01-2007, 11:02 AM
...non issue.
"united cricket board of SA treats this in a very serious light"
Its probably a catch 22 situation - because the overly sensative (often religion/race plays apart here) people heard it on the TV, then the issue has to be dealt with. If it wasnt picked up by the stump-mike then i'm sure it would be a non-issue.
Has anyone checked out any cricket message boards where the pakis are discussing this? what are they saying etc.
Pitbull
15-01-2007, 11:43 AM
Lol there was something before that comment. Read the news.
It was These Fing Pakis behave like animals!
Besides all that there was more, thats when Neil Manthorpe said under the mike, we need to turn the stump mikes off.
Ok so refering to a Pakistani as a Paki is racist ?????
U got me there....
So would it be racist if i refer to a Zimbabwian as a Zimy ?
Or to an Austrailian as an Auzzy ?
Come on you can do better then that !
derekc
15-01-2007, 11:49 AM
As boodles says, it's a non-issue. Paki fans swore at players...players retaliated by saying they're like animals...I don't see a problem with that.
Just some ppl feel offended can cause a big fuss for nothing.
chiskop
15-01-2007, 12:00 PM
Pakistan lodge official complaint over insult (http://content-rsa.cricinfo.com/rsavpak/content/current/story/276497.html) [cricinfo]
Pakistan have lodged an official complaint with the match referee Chris Broad about the abusive comments made by a South African player which were caught by stump mics on the fourth day of the first Test at Centurion.
Pitbull
15-01-2007, 12:12 PM
Pakistan lodge official complaint over insult (http://content-rsa.cricinfo.com/rsavpak/content/current/story/276497.html) [cricinfo]
Pakistan have lodged an official complaint with the match referee Chris Broad about the abusive comments made by a South African player which were caught by stump mics on the fourth day of the first Test at Centurion.
At least this artical is correct. "Offensive Language"
Not Racist !
derekc
15-01-2007, 12:21 PM
At least this artical is correct. "Offensive Language"
Not Racist !
yeah that's acceptable. Charge the alleged guys with the right complaint and not a sensationalised racial slur complaint.
fivelza
15-01-2007, 12:36 PM
I hope common sense prevails.....this could ruin a promising career :(
Boodles
15-01-2007, 12:45 PM
Gibbs
Gibbs
U sure? Coulda been Boucher, Harris or Nel.
Pitbull
15-01-2007, 12:50 PM
It was me !!!
So sue me will you.
Just sucks that this is now ruining a great game of cricket.
It was me !!!
So sue me will you.
Just sucks that this is now ruining a great game of cricket.
The players are all aware of it, and it just happened couple years ago to the Aussies.
Pitbull
15-01-2007, 12:57 PM
The players are all aware of it, and it just happened couple years ago to the Aussies.
I think some comments should be made esspecially when in the heat of the game. This should not be on National TV that i agree with.
Maybe have the mic only on the empire's instead of the stumps. Only refer to the stump mic in terms of the "nic" to wicket keeper if need be.
I think some comments should be made esspecially when in the heat of the game. This should not be on National TV that i agree with.
Maybe have the mic only on the empire's instead of the stumps. Only refer to the stump mic in terms of the "nic" to wicket keeper if need be.
Thats still not allowed, its not sportsmanship to do that and by removing the mics its giving the players license to carry on.
The stump mics are very handy and needed so removing them is out of the question.
Remember when Sri Lanka was here and Sangakara was making all kinds of remarks about Minki and Megan, Lol but that was funny!:D
Boodles
15-01-2007, 01:17 PM
It was confirmed on cape talk as gibbs.
stepper
15-01-2007, 01:18 PM
U sure? Coulda been Boucher, Harris or Nel.
Its Gibbs, heared on the radio and he apologised and it was not directed at the players on the field but the fans that alledgely swore at Harris!
chiskop
15-01-2007, 01:21 PM
I hope common sense prevails.....this could ruin a promising career :(
No don't worry - its Gibbs. :D
derekc
15-01-2007, 01:24 PM
U sure? Coulda been Boucher, Harris or Nel.
and because it's the white players that said it, it's a worse offense? It looks like it as u wouldnt believe it was Gibbs who was called in.
Boodles
15-01-2007, 01:25 PM
Paki cricket board have really caused so much hoo-har for nothing.
VJB 449
15-01-2007, 04:07 PM
They should ban these pakistan spectators for acting like animals. They get drunk swear at players and Gibbs have to apologize? What a frakken joke. Only in SA.
fivelza
15-01-2007, 04:10 PM
They should ban these pakistan spectators for acting like animals. They get drunk swear at players and Gibbs have to apologize? What a frakken joke. Only in SA.
Gibbs should shut his mouth as well.....
Highflyer_GP
15-01-2007, 04:11 PM
*sigh*
This is all Pakistan ever seem to do - find something to bitch and moan about.
froggytoo
15-01-2007, 04:13 PM
Gibbs should shut his mouth as well.....
Why? Would You. If they behave like Pakistani pigs and animals, whats wrong saying so. Why is it racist slur? Idiots thats all. Sourpusses
fivelza
15-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Why? Would You. If they behave like Pakistani pigs and animals, whats wrong saying so. Why is it racist slur? Idiots thats all. Sourpusses
Yea, yea..but not close to a stump mic.....ask Dean Jones ;)
VJB 449
15-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Gibbs should shut his mouth as well.....
IMO there is nothing wrong with Gibbs' comment. I don't know why our country ends up with all these foreign riff raff, they should be banned from the stadiums.
Boodles
15-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Guys i've got a link to a Paki cricket forum .I think there is some audio there 2. Some posts they have put there made me laugh.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=33916&page=1
Just one of the post that someone put there...lol
"i reckon its either kallis,pollock or de villiers. guaranteed. deffo was two of them three. one of them said fu**ing animals and the other one sed fu**king hyenas."
here is another quote -
"Apprarently in Australia and SA, calling someone a f'ing Pakistani or Indian is quite normal so donbt worry about it.
Lets imagine a day to day conversation on the streets of Jo'berg or Sydney:
"hello f'ing mate,how are f'ing parents ?" - "Very f'ing well, how about your f'ing kids?"
and so on. They dont see anything wrong in that- we shouldnt worry about it."
lol.
fivelza
15-01-2007, 04:16 PM
IMO there is nothing wrong with Gibbs' comment. I don't know why our country ends up with all these foreign riff raff, they should be banned from the stadiums.
Foreign riff raff...omw....
Jongi
15-01-2007, 04:37 PM
The remark, from the as yet unnamed player, was heard over the stump microphones during the television broadcast. The microphone is usually turned off after a ball has been bowled.
'You can all f*** off back to Pakistan'
The player is also believed to have called the supporters "f***king baboons", before saying "you can all f*** off back to Pakistan".
It is understood the remarks were made when some Pakistani supporters taunted some of the Proteas by making "monkey noises".
Whether you believe the comments to be racist or not, they were still irresponsible comments to make.
Boodles
15-01-2007, 04:42 PM
Whether you believe the comments to be racist or not, they were still irresponsible comments to make.
Gibbs has never been reposponsible. lol
And besides, its just one of those incidences where stump-mike was left on. Nothing anyone can do about that. It just so happens that gibbs said what he said at the wrong time. It could of happened to any of the cricketers.
froggytoo
15-01-2007, 04:48 PM
Gibbs has never been reposponsible. lol
And besides, its just one of those incidences where stump-mike was left on. Nothing anyone can do about that. It just so happens that gibbs said what he said at the wrong time. It could of happened to any of the cricketers.
Still was not racist. South African maybe but not racist!
Boodles
15-01-2007, 05:02 PM
Yeh, as i've said earlier, its a non-issue.
They should ban these pakistan spectators for acting like animals. They get drunk swear at players and Gibbs have to apologize? What a frakken joke. Only in SA.
Lol the Pakistanis dont drink.
and because it's the white players that said it, it's a worse offense? It looks like it as u wouldnt believe it was Gibbs who was called in.
What?:confused:
No. Its because Bouchers at the stumps when Harris was bowling and Nel always ends up at the stump for a little chit chat.
So quick to judge....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Boodles
15-01-2007, 05:41 PM
Just in - Hersch banned for 2 tests. lol
what a joke
U sure? Coulda been Boucher, Harris or Nel.
Having trouble coming to the realisation that a non-white person can be "rascist"
and because it's the white players that said it, it's a worse offense? It looks like it as u wouldnt believe it was Gibbs who was called in.
That's the way things are nowadays.
Paki cricket board have really caused so much hoo-har for nothing.
They seem to have a bad case of victim mentality
*sigh*
This is all Pakistan ever seem to do - find something to bitch and moan about.
So true. They should be called "Problemstan" instead. I wonder what they gonna come up with next? One of the reasons why I'm not bothered with cricket anymore.
What?:confused:
No. Its because Bouchers at the stumps when Harris was bowling and Nel always ends up at the stump for a little chit chat.
So quick to judge....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Bwahahaha
Trying to explain your way out of that one. :D
bekdik
15-01-2007, 06:13 PM
I think that, should a player or team be subject to insults from the crowd, it's time for the players to walk off the field until the offending persons have been removed from the stadium or to a point outside of the team's hearing.
It's rediculous for the players to be penalised after having been taunted by the crowd. These people are sportsmen not lawyers or politicians and cannot expect to react as would some whose business is trading taunts.
Boodles
15-01-2007, 06:22 PM
Banned for racist remarks.
I think the next 2 tests should be boygotted'. This is really rediculas.
I'm certaintly on hershies side with this one. He should appeal this.
froggytoo
15-01-2007, 06:34 PM
http://www.24.com/sport/?p=SportArticle&i=388777 :sick:
froggytoo
15-01-2007, 06:38 PM
http://www.24.com/sport/?p=SportArticle&i=388707 :sick:
I think they (Pakistanis) planned to use dirty tactics to try and win. May they be white washed. Also SACB fault. Where was the required security. Why did the captain and players have to alert them.
hj2k_x
15-01-2007, 06:45 PM
it's called sledging. It's cricket.Deal with it.
These people really need to get over themselves. :rolleyes: *yawn*
Boodles
15-01-2007, 06:48 PM
Where was the required security.
They were sitting in front of the 'white board'. lol
...in from of the part of the ground that no one can sit so i doesnt distract the batsman.
derekc
15-01-2007, 06:50 PM
Whether you believe the comments to be racist or not, they were still irresponsible comments to make.
something that deserves a two test ban? Funny how that works...paki players take drugs...get banned for two years then appeal. Afterwards as if nothing was wrong. Then SA players swears and it's a ban.
there was nothing wrong with what Gibbs said...
Just seen it on Sky. They claim it's rascist in a headline while during the sports report they fail to mention what exactly he said, who he said it too and why(ie:context).
Now why would they do that I wonder :rolleyes:
derekc
15-01-2007, 07:02 PM
it's just a case of sensationalist reporting to get attention...
fivelza
15-01-2007, 07:07 PM
there was nothing wrong with what Gibbs said...
Unfortunately it breaches the ICC code of conduct :(
Highflyer_GP
15-01-2007, 07:21 PM
it's just a case of sensationalist reporting to get attention...
And it's also a case of Pakistan always looking for attention and blaming their pathetic performance on something in order to avoid the media criticism of them back home. Funny that whenever they have the upper hand in a test match, they never find anything to complain about :rolleyes: Also very convenient that Gibbs was given a two match ban which sees him miss the rest of the series.
Let's not forget which team has the worst reputation in cricket when it comes to issues like drugs and ball-tampering. Hopefully this provides the motivation for our guys to whitewash them.
hj2k_x
15-01-2007, 07:22 PM
Unfortunately it breaches the ICC code of conduct :(
Just heard on the news Gibbs said apparently : They are like ****ing animals, they belong in a ****ing zoo, those ****ing pakistanis..
With a bit less swearing he might have got away with it...
derekc
15-01-2007, 07:25 PM
it's like perfect...2 match ban. no need to play against pak...maybe there was some bribing involved cos u know the paki's would never do something like that.
Turbo_Aspiration
15-01-2007, 07:28 PM
Just saw the vid on a link posted earlier.. there are clearly two voices. I wonder who the other person was and why nothing happened to them. Two test ban is crazy.. one test or total match fee wouldve been better imo
Boodles
15-01-2007, 07:39 PM
They are like ****ing animals, they belong in a ****ing zoo, those ****ing pakistanis..
new lets replay that for the less sensative aussies.. lol
They are like ****ing animals, they belong in a ****ing zoo, those ****ing australians..
Thats more like it Herch. lol.
Highflyer_GP
15-01-2007, 07:45 PM
Yeah I still don't see the racial slur. If he said fscking poms or fscking aussies then no action would have been taken. It may have been an insulting and irresponsible comment, but certainly not a racial slur. Then again I guess that under the ICC code of conduct, he may have been charged with bad conduct and gotten away with a fine. However being charged for racism would see him miss a few matches. No surprise then that Pakistan decided to pull the race card :rolleyes:
Turbo_Aspiration
15-01-2007, 07:59 PM
Ah, now i see why its a two match ban..
"Using language or gestures that offends, insults, humiliates, intimidates, threatens, disparages or vilifies another person on the basis of that person’s race, religion, gender, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin" is considered a level 3 or 4 offense.
Level 3
The Offences set out at 3.1 to 3.3 below are Level 3 Offences. The penalty for a Level 3 Offence shall be a ban for the Player or Team Official concerned of between 2 and 4 Test Matches or between 4 and 8 ODI Matches
Level 4
The Offences set out at 4.1 to 4.4 below are Level 4 Offences. The Penalty for a Level 4 Offence shall be a ban of between 5 Test Matches or 10 ODI matches up to a life ban for the Player or Official concerned
source: http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/rules/code-of-conduct-for-players-and-officials.pdf pg 7-8
I guess he got off lightly then
VJB 449
16-01-2007, 08:41 AM
Lol the Pakistanis dont drink.
It was confirmed that a lot of the Pakistan supporters were drunk.
Banning him for two tests just clearly indicates how PC our spineless Cricket Board is. In Australia they would not have banned a player for nonsense like this.
simple_simon
16-01-2007, 08:46 AM
shame....just as the poor lad seems to be digging himself out of a trot of bad form.
life she is funny.
as i witnessed when the paki's played the indians in the wc held here.....there are many a hypocrate amoungst their supporters...half of them were blind drunk at that game......ah the temptaions of the western world
chiskop
16-01-2007, 08:48 AM
Banning him for two tests just clearly indicates how PC our spineless Cricket Board is. In Australia they would not have banned a player for nonsense like this.
It was the match umpire, not Cricket South Africa, that handed down the ban. He is (AFAIK?) appointed by the ICC.
Gibbs still has to attend a disciplinary hearing with Cricket South Africa today.
Luke7777
16-01-2007, 09:32 AM
He never should have said "zoo", that's just horrific. As for the other words, sounds perfectly fine to me :D
From now on they'll be speaking about "those fornicating foreigners" .....
derekc
16-01-2007, 09:38 AM
It was confirmed that a lot of the Pakistan supporters were drunk.
Banning him for two tests just clearly indicates how PC our spineless Cricket Board is. In Australia they would not have banned a player for nonsense like this.
From my knowledge not all Pakistani's are from a Islamic origin so them drinking is not a big deal. But for JK8 to say that they don't drink i.e.) All Pak fans are Islamic is wrong. They do give us a bad impression though. All the swearing and being rude is out of hand.
All players get abused but nothing like how it was at Centurion. When I was at the ODI at the wanderers against the Aussies, many ppl came with comments to Brett Lee on the boundaries but nothing vulgar. The spectators just taunt him and give him loads of crap.
derekc
16-01-2007, 09:40 AM
He never should have said "zoo", that's just horrific. As for the other words, sounds perfectly fine to me :D
From now on they'll be speaking about "those fornicating foreigners" .....
Lol!!! Yeah choice of words is always important...some ppl are just too touchy.
From my knowledge not all Pakistani's are from a Islamic origin so them drinking is not a big deal. But for JK8 to say that they don't drink i.e.) All Pak fans are Islamic is wrong. They do give us a bad impression though. All the swearing and being rude is out of hand.
All players get abused but nothing like how it was at Centurion. When I was at the ODI at the wanderers against the Aussies, many ppl came with comments to Brett Lee on the boundaries but nothing vulgar. The spectators just taunt him and give him loads of crap.
I was at the India VS SA 20/20 Poor Harbajan got lots of abuse.
I agree theres a couple of Pakistanis that arent muslim.
It can also be said that Nel was working the Pakis supporters up.
I dont like the way Nel interfears with the batsmen, it shouldnt be done in international sport, and cant be said that its part of the game.
I do it in action cricket and i get it back when im batting, but not in international sport especially to world renown batsmen, its uncalled for.
derekc
16-01-2007, 09:50 AM
I was at the India VS SA 20/20 Poor Harbajan got lots of abuse.
I agree theres a couple of Pakistanis that arent muslim.
It can also be said that Nel was working the Pakis supporters up.
I dont like the way Nel interfears with the batsmen, it shouldnt be done in international sport, and cant be said that its part of the game.
I do it in action cricket and i get it back when im batting, but not in international sport especially to world renown batsmen, its uncalled for.
Abuse is one thing...Racist abuse is another. Sledging is acceptable in sport and I must admit the SA are tame compared to that of the Aussies and the likes of Sangakarra. Nel in his early days had thrown racist abuses at the Indians when they toured the last time but he's changed now. Sport is also about psychology and a player's mentality. It happens in soccer, rugby and just about any sport.
Smith's view on the Paki supporters:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Cricket/0,,2-9-839_2055339,00.html
Jongi
16-01-2007, 10:02 AM
Well there it is in the ICC rules. Gibbs can have little to complain about then.
Abuse is one thing...Racist abuse is another. Sledging is acceptable in sport and I must admit the SA are tame compared to that of the Aussies and the likes of Sangakarra. Nel in his early days had thrown racist abuses at the Indians when they toured the last time but he's changed now. Sport is also about psychology and a player's mentality. It happens in soccer, rugby and just about any sport.
Smith's view on the Paki supporters:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Cricket/0,,2-9-839_2055339,00.html
Yes but there are boundaries, Gibbs admits that he was wrong.
I liked good old Ian Healy, he was easily the worst at sledging.
Smith just proved what an idiot captain he is, he still supports what Gibbs did.:rolleyes:
"F***ing bunch of f***ing animals. F***ing go back to the zoo, it's not f***ing Pakistan this," Gibbs was heard saying.
Sorry but I find that pretty funny. If the drunk spectators don't have manners or tact and hurl abuse at our players then why should our players not have opinions about the people who are degrading them verbally? Why should they just keep quiet? They're trying to concentrate and play well but with spectators like this our games will be crap all the time.. and we know how everyone bitches about that.
Now Gibbs has to pay for having an opinion.. the drunk Paki's must be pulling a poepstring laughing at this, it's probably exactly what they wanted, but now our boys are punished and hauled over the coals for having a reaction. If that mic was off none of this would have happened, and afaik the broadcaster is tasked with turning down the mic after every ball.
"F***ing bunch of f***ing animals. F***ing go back to the zoo, it's not f***ing Pakistan this," Gibbs was heard saying.
Sorry but I find that pretty funny. If the drunk spectators don't have manners or tact and hurl abuse at our players then why should our players not have opinions about the people who are degrading them verbally? Why should they just keep quiet? They're trying to concentrate and play well but with spectators like this our games will be crap all the time.. and we know how everyone bitches about that.
Now Gibbs has to pay for having an opinion.. the drunk Paki's must be pulling a poepstring laughing at this, it's probably exactly what they wanted, but now our boys are punished and hauled over the coals for having a reaction. If that mic was off none of this would have happened, and afaik the broadcaster is tasked with turning down the mic after every ball.
What dont you guys understand!!:rolleyes:
They represent our country they not allowed to retaliate!
Be the better oerson and ****.
ubberfunk
16-01-2007, 10:34 AM
"F***ing bunch of f***ing animals. F***ing go back to the zoo, it's not f***ing Pakistan this," Gibbs was heard saying.
Now Gibbs has to pay for having an opinion.. the drunk Paki's must be pulling a poepstring laughing at this, it's probably exactly what they wanted, but now our boys are punished and hauled over the coals for having a reaction. If that mic was off none of this would have happened, and afaik the broadcaster is tasked with turning down the mic after every ball.
IMO its the use of language that did him in,Yes it was just his bad luck when he was near the stump mike when he used this language BUT i know from past experience that ALOT and i mean alot of players use foul language Gibbs was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
we all have seen many times before on the TV and good person who can "lip read" knows what im speaking about.
bad luck i suppose.
fivelza
16-01-2007, 10:55 AM
Smith just proved what an idiot captain he is, he still supports what Gibbs did.:rolleyes:
Don't agree, supporting Gibbs does not imply they agree with what he did.
derekc
16-01-2007, 11:07 AM
Nope...Smith said he does not condone what gibbs did. All he said was the the Pak fans' behavior was unacceptable and they threw racial comments at Harris and Ntini. He couldn't support what Gibbs said. He also said the what's said on the field stays on the field. Blame the broadcaster for what happened. Someone had to take the fall and it was gibbs that had to...
efitol
16-01-2007, 11:15 AM
:eek:
"fuscking bunch of fuscking animals man! bunch of hyenas! fuscking go back to the zoo! its not fuscking pakistan this!"
i'm sorry but i woulda been offended if someone, especially a famous cricketer on interantional tv, called my country a zoo! wouldnt u?
imagine shane warne saying:"fuscking bunch of fuscking animals man! bunch of hyenas! fuscking go back to the zoo! its not fuscking south africa this!".
heh, i'm surprised no one else heard it coz it sounded pretty loud to me, and i do agree that he was just at the wrong place at the wrong time, but he still shouldnt have said such. whether he likes it or not he is an ambassador for this country. ok, so if i go and swear at mbeki, would he be justified (or rather, would u feel he would be justified) in swearing back at me? imagine that! on national tv sommer. Mbeki: "And to conclude my address of the nation tonight, I'd just like to say, FUSCK YOU TOO IMAJIN! YO MAMMA IS A WH0R3! SHE'S SO FAT, AFTER I FUSCKED HER LAST NIGHT, I ROLLED OVER TWICE, AND I WAS STILL ON TOP OF HER!"
imajin that (get it?) ;)
froggytoo
16-01-2007, 11:35 AM
Smith just proved what an idiot captain he is, he still supports what Gibbs did.:rolleyes:
and you have just proven what you are :D
ubberfunk
16-01-2007, 11:46 AM
:eek:
i'm sorry but i woulda been offended if someone, especially a famous cricketer on interantional tv, called my country a zoo! wouldnt u?
But we already live in a Zoo!! offended?
and you have just proven what you are :D
Ok "froggy!"
James
16-01-2007, 12:26 PM
Why is everything racist when it comes from some one with a paler skin. I think it is invasion of privacy and what is said between friends and team mates on a field is between then and only them.
Suprisingly Gareth Cliff said it best, we watch sport on TV and often get worked up. Just go to your local pub and listen to what people say during a sports match. Now just because they are the ones playing they are not allowd to express themselves. I support Gibbs 100% and think that the ban is absolute rubbish.
VJB 449
16-01-2007, 12:53 PM
:eek:
imagine shane warne saying:"fuscking bunch of fuscking animals man! bunch of hyenas! fuscking go back to the zoo! its not fuscking south africa this!".
Actually I would not be offended. This country is a zoo!
VJB 449
16-01-2007, 12:56 PM
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It can also be said that Nel was working the Pakis supporters up.
I dont like the way Nel interfears with the batsmen, it shouldnt be done in international sport, and cant be said that its part of the game.
I've got no problem with Nel's in your face approach. What other SA players have you got issues with?
I've got no problem with Nel's in your face approach. What other SA players have you got issues with?
Just Nels taunts and Smith not being captain material... and... o yes Mr Kallis, but ye the rest are cool.
froggytoo
16-01-2007, 01:00 PM
I've got no problem with Nel's in your face approach. What other SA players have you got issues with?
You asking JK8? :confused: All the white ones I presume. The pakis was loosing and they could not cheat as usual so they made sure that there will be an incident. :D (I believe Imajin was also in the crowd). :p
derekc
16-01-2007, 01:02 PM
People who are vulgar and swear at ppl like the way the fans did, deserve to be in the zoo. It happens to be that they are Paki fans that's why they deserve to be in the zoo..so what?
froggytoo
16-01-2007, 01:02 PM
Just Nels taunts and Smith not being captain material... and... o yes Mr Kallis, but ye the rest are cool.
Mmm all the mentally strong and deservedly so arrogant characters, So JK8 is a sissy too :D
Turbo_Aspiration
16-01-2007, 01:05 PM
The media made this into a colour issue. Some posts on this thread are making it a colour issue.
If anyone took the time to read the ICC code of conduct, you will see that Gibbs statements violate the code even though they had nothing to do with colour. According to the code, two matches is the minimum punishment. I assume the players accept the code so Gibbs knew what he was up for.
The things said at the local pub are not being broadcast all over the world. What Gibbs said reached every corner of the planet. He is seen not as a cricket player but as a South African cricket player.
derekc
16-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Yup...take a look at this blog.
http://blogs.cricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2007/01/gibbs_is_part_of_wider_problem.php#more
I left a comment saying that what he said was one sided. Heard reports that Pakistan players also slung abuses at SA cricketers but he mentions none of that..just shows how biased the media can get. My comment won't be posted because it gets approved by the writer first so basically whoever agrees with him can comment...
You asking JK8? :confused: All the white ones I presume. The pakis was loosing and they could not cheat as usual so they made sure that there will be an incident. :D (I believe Imajin was also in the crowd). :p
Maybe its cause the non whites are doing their part!
* thats not the reason why I dont support SA Btw *
You should hear what the rugby players say to each others in the scrums.. MUCH worse than what Gibbs said about these louts.
Faffy
16-01-2007, 01:34 PM
So Pollock didnt do any good then? (to JK8)
So Pollock didnt do any good then? (to JK8)
I like his batting, but his bowlings a bit boring, he might be a wicket taker but not a very exciting one.
Jongi
16-01-2007, 02:03 PM
Suprisingly Gareth Cliff said it best, we watch sport on TV and often get worked up. Just go to your local pub and listen to what people say during a sports match. Now just because they are the ones playing they are not allowd to express themselves. I support Gibbs 100% and think that the ban is absolute rubbish.
Gareth Cliff got it wrong. These guys sign contracts which state they have to follow the ICC code od conduct. No matter which way you look at it Gibbs has contravened what was posted on the previous page by Turbo_Aspirations.
The ground did the team a disservice by allowing those supporters to continue hurling the abuse. However Gibbs is judged by a far higher standard than you and I at the pub watching a game. It is a fact of the profession he is in.
froggytoo
16-01-2007, 02:05 PM
I like his batting, but his bowlings a bit boring, he might be a wicket taker but not a very exciting one.
AND youre a waffler, not very exiting either :p
froggytoo
16-01-2007, 02:10 PM
Maybe its cause the non whites are doing their part!
* thats not the reason why I dont support SA Btw *
I have no problem there, I got to love Ntini, but of course your obvious bias against white sportsman is why you do not support the SA team. Just wonder why you are waffling here then as its clear you have no insight in neither any inclination toward the game, but for your racist comments.
I have no problem there, I got to love Ntini, but of course your obvious bias against white sportsman is why you do not support the SA team. Just wonder why you are waffling here then as its clear you have no insight in neither any inclination toward the game, but for your racist comments.
Lame attempt to brand me a racist.
I was always a fan of Jonty, Hansie, Kepler Wessels and Adrian Kuiper. Even Macmillan, I hated Symcox he was a pain!!!
I support the style of play of the Pakistanis, thats how I play. If there was any players I looked up to in terms of bowling, Waqar and Wasim Akram are my all time favourite bowlers.
Im not a fan of this whole text book cricket, I hate when the commentators all now want to change Amlas style of play saying his elbow must face here and there, WTF let him play the way he wants!!
Jongi
16-01-2007, 02:39 PM
Im not a fan of this whole text book cricket, I hate when the commentators all now want to change Amlas style of play saying his elbow must face here and there, WTF let him play the way he wants!!
You'll find commentators make those type of comments with regards to struggling players. Or players whose technique often gets them out cheaply.
You'll find commentators make those type of comments with regards to struggling players. Or players whose technique often gets them out cheaply.
Not to struggling players to all new players, bowlers must tuck their non bowling arm towards their stomach and batsmens feet must be pointing here Lol!!!
They did that to Sreesanth aswell.
Does Lara and Tendulkar bat like they say you should in a textbook, I think not!!
Pitbull
16-01-2007, 03:22 PM
Hey Just spoke to Gibbs @ my work.... :D
apparently he appealed and is allowed to play pending the appeal...:D
hj2k_x
16-01-2007, 03:23 PM
Hey Just spoke to Gibbs @ my work.... :D
apparently he appealed and is allowed to play pending the appeal...:D
what kind of work do u do?
Pitbull
16-01-2007, 03:38 PM
what kind of work do u do?
I work for MTN.
They where here as we sponsor the 1 days.
hj2k_x
16-01-2007, 03:39 PM
I work for MTN.
They where here as we sponsor the 1 days.
sweet :) What do u do for them? Do u get sweet deals and the like?
Jongi
16-01-2007, 03:45 PM
Yeah I saw that appeal story earlier on today.
Pitbull
16-01-2007, 03:46 PM
sweet :) What do u do for them? Do u get sweet deals and the like?
:p
lilDeath
16-01-2007, 05:38 PM
:p
Tease.... :D
hj2k_x
16-01-2007, 05:56 PM
:p
Is that a yes?? :)
froggytoo
17-01-2007, 12:42 PM
http://www.24.com/sport/?p=SportArticle&i=390578
Wife beaters Too? :rolleyes: :D
Pitbull
17-01-2007, 01:05 PM
http://www.24.com/sport/?p=SportArticle&i=390578
Wife beaters Too? :rolleyes: :D
Yea these "****ing Animals".
lilDeath
17-01-2007, 01:23 PM
no no, they are cowards
ASS_SAZiN`
17-01-2007, 01:39 PM
Hehe, Just a day in the life of someone famous, poor old Gibs, In the heat of the moment you sometimes say stuff like that, I think it wasn't that bad, the Pakistanis are just sore losers, he was revering to the fans anyway, after they had a go at Harris, while he was fielding.
efitol
17-01-2007, 03:52 PM
wish there were "boundary mics" to hear what Harris and McInty said :rolleyes:
wish there were "boundary mics" to hear what Harris and McInty said :rolleyes:
On 702 they one of the guys that got kicked out of the ground phoned in with his side of the story.
First of all he's a SA boy, and Harris swore at them, they just retaliated...
chiskop
17-01-2007, 04:04 PM
Their story is on IOL (http://iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=17&art_id=vn20070117070336968C769930)
"He [Khalique] said Harris was lucky South Africa needed a spin bowler and that Paul Adams should replace him.
"Harris turned to us and said that he doesn't give a f*** what we think. He told Zeeshan that he was a traitor and he should f*** off back to Pakistan."
lilDeath
17-01-2007, 04:07 PM
MIC recordings FTW!!
silkman
18-01-2007, 08:31 AM
http://content-rsa.cricinfo.com/rsavpak/content/story/276685.html
froggytoo
18-01-2007, 08:57 AM
On 702 they one of the guys that got kicked out of the ground phoned in with his side of the story.
First of all he's a SA boy, and Harris swore at them, they just retaliated...
And you would believe them? I wonder why?
And you would believe them? I wonder why?
It was the same story that The Star newspaper printed.
froggytoo
18-01-2007, 09:11 AM
It was the same story that The Star newspaper printed.
And you believe them too? I would wonder who supplied the information and whether it was confirmed by the witnesses as well and what was the agenda, MONEY, the paper pays for these story's you know. I do never believe all I read just my eyes sew it in print. Maybe you should evaluate your obvious bias in this matter,
And you believe them too? I would wonder who supplied the information and whether it was confirmed by the witnesses as well and what was the agenda, MONEY, the paper pays for these story's you know. I do never believe all I read just my eyes sew it in print. Maybe you should evaluate your obvious bias in this matter,
Shame you just cant believe it to be the players fault can you??
They were teasing Harris bout replacing Paul Adams(That I can Believe) then Harris lashed out at them...
froggytoo
18-01-2007, 09:54 AM
Shame you just cant believe it to be the players fault can you??
They were teasing Harris bout replacing Paul Adams(That I can Believe) then Harris lashed out at them...
And your witnesses? Were you there? If it was the case? I agree he should have ignored the Pakistani pigs but he is still inexperienced. If I look at soccer where the same things occur it is hardly ever the players, its the type and culture of spectators in this country if they are on the losing side for the day.
Still does not explain Your obvious bias as we see on this forum wherever you post on sport.
lilDeath
18-01-2007, 12:03 PM
The fools will say anything now to cover their collective asses..
Play me a recording with it, maybe I will believe them.
Boodles
18-01-2007, 10:22 PM
Richie Benaud will be hearing Gibbs' appeal.
"The former Australian captain-turned commentator, Richie Benaud, will hear Herschelle Gibbs' appeal against the two-Test ban he incurred for breaching the ICC's Code of Conduct during last week's first Test between South Africa and Pakistan at Centurion."
more here...
http://content-rsa.cricinfo.com/rsavpak/content/current/story/276840.html
Chatmaster
19-01-2007, 09:15 AM
This is crazy. Making such a big noise out of nothing special! Sigh, life must be very boring for some people...