Nostradamus

[DragonLogos]

Always a difficult one, you never know if he was really onto it, people made things fit, or people tried to do what he wrote. As one person said, even if Nostradamus was not right at all, and all he did was make us think about what we are doing, then he would have done us a great service anyway

Here are two quotes that are interesting



Century 1, 81 - Space Shuttle Disaster?

D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis a` part,
De iugement & conseil separez:
Leur sort sera diuise' en depart,
Kappa, Thita, Lambda mors bannis esgarez.

From the human flock nine will be sent away,
Separated from control and advice
Their fate will be sealed on departure
K-Th-L make a error; the dead banished

K-Th-L -> ThioKoL - manufacturer of the defective rocket engine



BTW - I think it was sometime afterward that it turned out it was not so much the rocket that was at fault, but the seal that joins the stages of each part



Peace after WWWIII (cVI-24)

An American president with a strong Cancer influence (Bush born 3 July) will push for war and cause events to fall in place for it. But after WWWIII the populace will be repulsed by war and elect a new president. He will want peace and work for it, and peace will reign for some time afterwards.

Looks like Hilary Clinton is out then

[morebroadband]

Dragonlogos,

Can you supply a link to the info you are quoting from?

[noxibox]

His writings are generally twisted and manipulated to try to get them to fit events. Besides which predictions are completely useless if you can't decipher them until after the event has occurred. We already have people who do that. We call them journalists.

[Neo]

With 100% hindsight, Nostradamus is 100% correct........

I dug up a book on him written in the 80's and the author made some bold predictions including a third world war in 1999.....

[Nanfeishen]

For those interested, here are 2 rather good links to the man:

His works in Engish
http://www.crystalinks.com/nostradamus.html
Works in English, and French
http://www.sacred-texts.com/nos/index.htm

[kilo39]

With 100% hindsight, Nostradamus is 100% correct........

I dug up a book on him written in the 80's and the author made some bold predictions including a third world war in 1999.....Well according to Dubya, Nostradamus was only out by a year or two.

[DragonLogos]

A fair bit of my research is from books (on Nosi) that I have, I found the net a good place to interact, and I must say there are a lot of people who have looked into it in great detail, and have made better sense of it all than you normally get to read or see in main stream media - I will have a look and see which links are still working when I have some time and post them in this thread

The Century and Verse numbers are listed, but I must admit cVI-24 is tough reading, but I had to give full marks to the person that worked that one out, as it was a good time before the first stalled US elections came along (Nov 2000) - Also there was another post by Ash, that was asking who was Bin Laden, and was there anything Nosi had that related to him, they had a dream with something happening on TV and Nosi saying... It matters not who is elected, he is the one - this was before the elections and before Bush got into power, and way before 9/11


Again, you do not have to believe it, I do because that is what I saw... which is what they say about Magick, it is proof that it is real to you. Like seeing a UFO and no one else does, you can look up into the night and see a Star going for a walk across the sky, and think... that's odd, you can even see some flashing ones and think... hmmmm only to find out that they are most likely satellites (normally spotted just after sun set, before sun rise) I think a lot of people saw the space station when it went overhead. But when you see one that goes left, stops, goes right, stops, waits, goes left again, stops... and then disappears, well you do wonder a bit

Coming from a strong scientific and technical background, but also knowing that I had ' hidden ' talents, I was keen to see if the metaphysical world was real, and I must admit I found it very interesting - Crystal Links is one of my favourite sites BTW

There is a Quatrain (CII VI) that dealt with a flaw in Intel CPUs (did posted that one before, but could post it again if it was missed)

Then there is also the three Grand Trines and Thursday for a holiday (CI IL)

Also the Term World War, is a modern one


Here is a bit of writing from New World Days:

Nostradamus is mainly believed to have 'seen' images in his minds eye using transparent media in a hypnotic state. He also was well aware how Astrology plays an important part in our fate. He may well have thought of it as a reflective aspect of nature. Today we now know that this is representative in such scientific concepts as the Holographic Universe (see David Bohm)

It has been said that the writings of Nostradamus are vague and can be interpreted in many ways. Often it is only after an event that people put the two together. Now as we have seen Nostradamus lived in very troubled times. One step out of line and you were toast! So yes he had to protect himself by making his writing indirect. The other aspect is that we are all too aware that unless we learn from our past we are doomed to repeat our mistakes. And so it is that you can read these things into more than one situation.

Let us Look as some of the Quatrains and the possible meanings.

I.LXXXI Nine shall be set apart from the human race, separated from judgement & advice their fate is divided as they depart. Kappa, Theta, Lambda dead, banished & scattered

This one was not understood for quite a while until someone said that it relates to the Space Shuttle Disaster. There were Seven on board and not nine. The leak started before take off (thus there fate was sealed / divided) The company that made that made the Rocket engine was ThioKoL http://www.thiokol.com


CVI - 24 (XXIIII)

Mars and the Scepter will be in conjunction
a calamitous war under Cancer
a short time afterwards a new King will be anointed
who will bring peace to the Earth for a long time

calamitous = disastrous, ruinous, tragic, cataclysmic

[noxibox]

Being non-specific makes his predictions just as suspect as those of a tabloid psychic. The fact that his writing has to be mistranslated and heavily manipulated to try to get it to fit an event makes it even more suspect. But let's say he really did see the future he might just as well not have bothered writing anything down because what he wrote is meaningless before things actually happen.

[Neo]

Being non-specific makes his predictions just as suspect as those of a tabloid psychic. The fact that his writing has to be mistranslated and heavily manipulated to try to get it to fit an event makes it even more suspect. But let's say he really did see the future he might just as well not have bothered writing anything down because what he wrote is meaningless before things actually happen.

At least he secured the financial future of his hometown.....:rolleyes:

Just for the record, I also went through the Nosi phase, spent years reading the stuff and researching but eventually you realise it's just an interesting historical event. noxibox's view above is spot-on.

[JK8]

Always a difficult one, you never know if he was really onto it, people made things fit, or people tried to do what he wrote. As one person said, even if Nostradamus was not right at all, and all he did was make us think about what we are doing, then he would have done us a great service anyway

Here are two quotes that are interesting



Century 1, 81 - Space Shuttle Disaster?

D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis a` part,
De iugement & conseil separez:
Leur sort sera diuise' en depart,
Kappa, Thita, Lambda mors bannis esgarez.

From the human flock nine will be sent away,
Separated from control and advice
Their fate will be sealed on departure
K-Th-L make a error; the dead banished

K-Th-L -> ThioKoL - manufacturer of the defective rocket engine



BTW - I think it was sometime afterward that it turned out it was not so much the rocket that was at fault, but the seal that joins the stages of each part



Peace after WWWIII (cVI-24)

An American president with a strong Cancer influence (Bush born 3 July) will push for war and cause events to fall in place for it. But after WWWIII the populace will be repulsed by war and elect a new president. He will want peace and work for it, and peace will reign for some time afterwards.

Looks like Hilary Clinton is out then

Whats "WWW" ? :p
You believe he's right?

[Nanfeishen]

The problem with many, or most of his writing, was that he mixed, French, Latin and Greek together when he wrote his quatrains, and some of the words, could be interchangeable, in so far as translation, so reading the English translation , may not always be accurate.
Not to mention, he mixed up his quatrains, order wise, worked with dates that may not be according to the calender we use, but are probabily more alligned with the Hebrew calender.
He was a student of the Hebrew Kabbala, so many of his quatrains , also contain riddles, anagrams, and misplaced words, so as to confuse the reader, we often forget, that when he wrote, he could have been convicted of heresy by the church, so he had to "mind his P's and Q's".
Apparently the "code" for unlocking his quatrains, is imbedded in his "Letter to Ceaser" the letter he wrote to his son, although to date, nobody has figured it out , to my knowledge at least.

[DragonLogos]

There are some gormless pratts that do get to write about poor old Nosi, there was this book that went on about the CI IL quatrain, and explained that the three water signs were, Pieces, Cancer and Aquarius... when they are in fact, Pieces, Cancer and Scorpio - In fact if you look at the Star of David it is composed of two trines, Water and Earth

But as said, if it just gets us to think a bit, then there would be something worthwhile. For example, the quote about the New City being poisoned, now you could look at this as part of the aftermath of 911 (New York Lung) or you could look deeper and say that it is something to do with the water supply... To those that do not know New York cannot get enough water for all the people living there, they are dependant on subterranean water supplies, ie water below the Earth (and on a grand scale)

Now, with pollution Chemicals and such you are going to get a big problem with all this much getting into the underground water table, a classic example of this is toxic pollution on a huge scale from ground fills. This has been noticed worldwide, people and industry dump toxic items everyday, watch batteries, with mercury, rechargeable batteries in cordless phone, highly toxic Nickel Cadmium.. you get the picture

Now if someone makes a fuss about this and points to Nosi, who cares about were it is coming from, so long as people get to see what is going on.

And lets face it, it seems like those pesky environmentalists have been right after all

Of course you might want to bury your head next to Bully Bush and company

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070201/sc_nm/globalwarming_seas_dc

[sparklehorse]

http://skepdic.com/nostrada.html

[DragonLogos]

OK looking at that site: It only really deals with two Quatrains and a hoax, not a lot to go on - Always thought the 1999 thing was going on about Putin (his nomination was in that month) :)

D'humain troupeau neuf seront mis à part,
De jugement & conseil separés:
Leur sort sera divisé en départ,
Kappa, Thita, Lambda mors bannis égarés.

From the human flock nine will be sent away,
Separated from judgment and counsel:
Their fate will be sealed on departure
Kappa, Thita, Lambda the banished dead err (I.81)

Thiokol made the defective O-ring that is blamed for the disaster. The name has a 'k', 'th' and an 'l'. Never mind that there were seven who died, not nine. The rest is vague enough to retrofit many different scenarios

Anyone that has done an IQ test or crossword will quickly spot that the Vowels have be removed (I did classical French for three years, and while I was not particularly good at it, I remember that they did have vowels, and verbs, lots of verbs) - As I translate line two it would be, " Of (or from) judgement and council they are separated " and also while line three is correct, it could also mean, as they depart

As stated it was a Faulty O ring that was the cause of the problem, now for those that do not know a O ring is a Seal... " Their fate will be sealed on departure "

Seven instead of nine, big deal... Maybe the one astronaut was pregnant with twins

[DragonLogos]

Osama bin Laden 50

http://us.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/10/binladen.birthday.reut/

" Khan said special prayers were offered by Taliban fighters in camps in Afghanistan to mark bin Laden's birth on March 10, 1957 "


Well that's news, because no one really knows his Birthday, including the person himself...

Now there are a lot of ppl that have been trying to pin a date to the dude, and most dates tend to pencil the fella as a water sign... ever wonder why?

[DragonLogos]

Do the wall street shuffle



VIII .XXVIII


The copies of Gold and Silver which after theft were thrown in the Lake

At their discovery all is exhausted and dissipated by the debt.

All Scripts and bonds are wiped out

[jason006]

Nostdramus got his prophecies other than by God. GOT STRICTLY FORBIDS PRACTISING MAGIG AND SORCERY TO FORTELL THE FUTURE. Nostradamus was a heretic.

[waynegohl]

must dig out my book again on Nostradamus i think.

[Vitowe]

Do the wall street shuffle



VIII .XXVIII


The copies of Gold and Silver which after theft were thrown in the Lake

At their discovery all is exhausted and dissipated by the debt.

All Scripts and bonds are wiped out

In a word,......Nostradufus.;)

[DragonLogos]

In a word,......Nostradufus.;)

Seeing as that was posted 19-10-2008 10:29 PM and if you look at the fall out that is still going on with the money markets today, makes you think.... there again as said if all that the writings of Nostradamus did was to make us stop and think

[CoolBug]

more bs people want to believe because they are bored with their lives (imho, please forgive me)

I'm sure it's lots of fun to do research on these types of things, like talking to the dead, alternative medicine, alien abductions, vaccination hysteria, astrology, exorcism, cryptozoology, abstinence, holier than thou, ghost detectives etc. must be lots of fun and entertainment but all bs, we're way too bored as a species.

[Nanfeishen]

more bs people want to believe because they are bored with their lives (imho, please forgive me)

I'm sure it's lots of fun to do research on these types of things, like talking to the dead, alternative medicine, alien abductions, vaccination hysteria, astrology, exorcism, cryptozoology, abstinence, holier than thou, ghost detectives etc. must be lots of fun and entertainment but all bs, we're way too bored as a species.

It is the inner nature of man to question and explore.
People explore other possibilities because the existing system is dull, boring, mundanety that robs people of imagination and the best years of their lives, condemning them to meaningless servitude and monotony.

[CoolBug]

It is the inner nature of man to question and explore.
People explore other possibilities because the existing system is dull, boring, mundanety that robs people of imagination and the best years of their lives, condemning them to meaningless servitude and monotony.

For sure!, that's why I mentioned that it was entertaining!

It is in our nature to want to believe in such things though.

[Robertvv]

if all his prophecies were spot on, live would not be fun. eg WWW will start on this date, 1000000000 people will die with biig earthquake on this date there. Star will hit earth on this day. CNN would have love it.

[daveza]

All a load of cobblers.

But less of a load of cobblers than Siener.

[Pr⊕phet]

Always a difficult one

You seem to be so. How exactly does Logos meets Nostradamus?

[boramk]

Seeing as that was posted 19-10-2008 10:29 PM and if you look at the fall out that is still going on with the money markets today, makes you think.... there again as said if all that the writings of Nostradamus did was to make us stop and think

I however, with more rationale than you, would like to think Nostradamus could have been talking about any of the 13 economic downturns since the Great Depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

[bin3]

The only thing Nostra was good for, is jam. http://fxcuisine.com/Default.asp?Display=200

[milomak]

iirc saddam hussein was predicted to start the third world war in 1994 or some such.

as noxi states, being correct after the fact counts for nothing.

[DragonLogos]

I however, with more rationale than you, would like to think Nostradamus could have been talking about any of the 13 economic downturns since the Great Depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

That reminds me... let me see if I can look up the post about Zeitgeist Money - this is going to be good

Anyone want to lend me a few Brazilian till next Summer Solstice (in the South)

[DragonLogos]

I however, with more rationale than you, would like to think Nostradamus could have been talking about any of the 13 economic downturns since the Great Depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

BTW - just for the record, this quote is clearly your personal opinion and not fact....

and in relation to what I have said it does not make much sense does it? because perhaps yourself and other have missed the point (it would appear)

" If all Nostradamus did was made us stop and think "

[LoneWolf]

most of Nostradamus' quatrains can be implemented on any major event in the past, but can not be implemented on any event that will happen... the information in the quatrains are just to vague and indirect...

he saw himself as a kind of poet and it actually fails lol

the only prophecies that actually came true and will be fulfilled are those written in the Bible ;)

[Pr⊕phet]

the only prophecies that actually came true and will be fulfilled are those written in the Bible ;)Really? All prophecies written in harry potter also was fulfilled and came true...

[DragonLogos]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[DragonLogos]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Déjà_vu

[Pr⊕phet]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it

Charlatans, they never learn do they.