Weirdos coming out of the MYADSL Space-time continuum

[ghoti]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4) :))
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus/ Vio (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968656&postcount=8))
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?

[PostmanPot]

Salami alykum / hay guys. Omfgwtf I just LOL'ed big time :D

How on earth did you come to that deduction Orangeman?

[Tux]

- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie)

You forgot the psychotic bit about killing all non-believers

[web]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4) :))
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus)
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?

:) there are some seriously weired people out there.

[nocilah]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4) :))
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus)
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?

Mr TB or douwdouw is possibly the most infamous of them all with responses that I think even a god would struggle to comprehend.

[ghoti]

Mr TB or douwdouw is possibly the most infamous of them all with responses that I think even a god would struggle to comprehend.

I am working on a project I hope to release as satire called, "The book of dodo", at the very least future generations will see how far we have progressed.

ROFLOL at your signature.

[DragonLogos]

Well at least they can see Telkom for what they are, so it's not all that bad :)

[Vio]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4) :))
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus)
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?

You can add me to that list as a evolution denialist, I've avoided getting involved in the discusion, but I take the Bible litraly as the highest authority on all things, science or no science.

But I did read a article on evolution the other day lol apparently some phd descided to do his a thesis on the origins of laughter and had "somehow" tracked it down to 4 milion years ago when chips tried to walk. It was "aparently" used as a way to say "good try" after they fell down. Sufficed to say I found the article highly entertaining and wondered if the guy smoked pot. Go looking around a bit, there is allot of evidence that cuts holes in evolution theory.

If you cannot believe that our ALL POWERFULL God could create and destroy everthing a milion and 1 times and recreate them in a second then you might have a problem believing He made it in 7 days. So as a alternative to evolution you might wanna look up Intelligent design theory that makes more sense than evolution.

But you just have to look at all the things that happen when you touch a mug of coffee from the atomic level through the celular levels your nerves and ultimately the signal recieved by your brain and interpreted by you, and you will see that there definitly is a all powerfull God. (check out string theory quantum theory, general theory of relativity - for attomic related amazement check out why atoms dont pass through each other and then go lookup how your nerves work to conduct the information).

Peace my brothers and sisters.

[ghoti]

You can add me to that list as a evolution denialist, I've avoided getting involved in the discusion, but I take the Bible litraly as the highest authority on all things, science or no science.

But I did read a article on evolution the other day lol apparently some phd descided to do his a thesis on the origins of laughter and had "somehow" tracked it down to 4 milion years ago when chips tried to walk. It was "aparently" used as a way to say "good try" after they fell down. Sufficed to say I found the article highly entertaining and wondered if the guy smoked pot. Go looking around a bit, there is allot of evidence that cuts holes in evolution theory.

If you cannot believe that our ALL POWERFULL God could create and destroy everthing a milion and 1 times and recreate them in a second then you might have a problem believing He made it in 7 days. So as a alternative to evolution you might wanna look up Intelligent design theory that makes more sense than evolution.

But you just have to look at all the things that happen when you touch a mug of coffee from the atomic level through the celular levels your nerves and ultimately the signal recieved by your brain and interpreted by you, and you will see that there definitly is a all powerfull God. (check out string theory quantum theory, general theory of relativity - for attomic related amazement check out why atoms dont pass through each other and then go lookup how your nerves work to conduct the information).

Peace my brothers and sisters.

Could you post a link to this peer reviewed article. I read an article by a Muslim that said Christians are evil, I guess if I read it it must be true.

QP is amazing yes, and it might have something to do with God, but it has fkall to do with your creationism.

Oh, and QP/String Theory deals with the sub-atomic not the atomic level. K thanks. bye.

[ToxicBunny]

Bwahahahaha!...

Ok right I'm gonna have to start labeling things as my post of the day, and that one DEFINATELY wins for today.....

Thanks Vio for give me a laugh...

[Syndyre]

Classic thread. :D

[JBFRobisher]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out.

I have to agree - there are plenty nutters here. Which is why I would be in favour of terminating most of humanity - then at least we could have sensible posts on these threads.

[PostmanPot]

If you cannot believe that our ALL POWERFULL God could create and destroy everthing a milion and 1 times and recreate them in a second then you might have a problem believing He made it in 7 days.

What are your thoughts WRT the different accounts of Genesis in the Bible and in the Qu'ran?

[texo]

:) there are some seriously weired people out there.

Yeah -- but some of the weirdest ones are in here. :)

[JBFRobisher]

If you cannot believe that our ALL POWERFULL God could create and destroy everthing a milion and 1 times and recreate them in a second then you might have a problem believing He made it in 7 days.

Seeing as he is a figment of your imagination, I'll have to admit to not believing the 7 days bit, if you don't mind.
:p

[redarrow]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4) :))
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus/ Vio (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968656&postcount=8))
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?
You left one out:

- The dictionary denialist (w1z4rd) :p

[ghoti]

You left one out:

- The dictionary denialist (w1z4rd) :p

You appear to have missed out the end of my debate with halicon (the part where I said I believe we are both right). Shame, you look more of an idiot now.

[Xarog]

You appear to have missed out the end of my debate with halicon (the part where I said I believe we are both right). Shame, you look more of an idiot now.
Maybe he saw the post where you accused me of watering down the meaning of the word 'faith' because you didn't like the idea of the same word having multiple meanings.

And if you think I'm a reality denialist then you clearly don't understand my POV.

[ghoti]

Maybe he saw the post where you accused me of watering down the meaning of the word 'faith' because you didn't like the idea of the same word having multiple meanings.

And if you think I'm a reality denialist then you clearly don't understand my POV.

Im sorry, I can only judge that you wrote this post by my 5 senses. Therefore it does not exist. Sorry, wish I could respond. jk :D

PS, you clearly did not follow that debate closely. I was not debating if the word had different meanings, I was debating that validity of the word, ie.. .was it a real word. Thanks for watering down the meanings of "religion" and "faith", it has allowed me to start the Church of the Great Stamp (TM).

[kilo39]

Perhaps I miss some of Xarog's posts (in this section) but was just thinking this morning how I miss him (and a few others) in the News & Current Affairs forum. Always an order above with a good view of the world.

Go Xarog :)

[redarrow]

You appear to have missed out the end of my debate with halicon (the part where I said I believe we are both right). Shame, you look more of an idiot now.
I didn't miss it...

Get real. How can you both be correct when he's saying a word can validly be used and you're saying it cannot. :confused:

It's a clear-cut argument.. there cannot be two correct answers..

[ghoti]

I didn't miss it...

Get real. How can you both be correct when he's saying a word can validly be used and you're saying it cannot. :confused:

It's a clear-cut argument.. there cannot be two correct answers..

For you, I am going to paste the question I posed and the response I got in a Science forum... specifically the linguistics section. It will be posted under "Is evolution a religion". Hopefully that will answer your questions.

[kilo39]

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru )
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus/ Vio)
- Reality denialist (Xarog)Prometheus always makes a coherant logical debate (much as most would deny him here.) And last I looked none of you had yet to prove him wrong (no matter how many times you beat on the door.) I may not agree with him but got to admit the "original key" has yet to be found.

(I'm sure I stand for correction but this is not the thread)

Who are we to beat up (especially) on these 2 forumites when there is so much else hate speech, foul language, and general dumbness on this forum (especially in News & Current Affairs.)

[Claymore]

Hey, what about the conspiracy theorists?

[Claymore]

So as a alternative to evolution you might wanna look up Intelligent design theory that makes more sense than evolution.

I look at the "design" of humans, and see no evidence of intelligence behind it...

[ghoti]

A pity Vio cant understand Intelligent Design works with evolution as well.

[kilo39]

:D @ Claymore (you just wait, one day...) :)

[teraside]

Am I weird too? :p

[Pitbull]

All your concerns about these people are religiously based....

Doesn't this belong in the....mmmmmm.... Religious thread ? :confused:

[Xarog]

That's where it was until it got moved by the mods. And as a side note it's a section for all philosophical debate, not merely religious mud-slinging matches.

[chiskop]

All your concerns about these people are religiously based....

Doesn't this belong in the....mmmmmm.... Religious thread ? :confused:

It was there when I first saw it...

[bwana]

All your concerns about these people are religiously based....

Doesn't this belong in the....mmmmmm.... Religious thread ? :confused:There's no such section. Neither is this philosophical in any way.

[Pitbull]

There's no such section. Neither is this philosophical in any way.

I recall rpm refering to the philosophical thread as the religious & philosophical
thread.

Us normal people don't want this CRAP in the off topic section !

[chiskop]

/adds philosophy-denialist to list

</jk>

[Pitbull]

/adds philosophy-denialist to list

</jk>

:D

Nope. I just think some things are best left not to be debated. ;)

[teraside]

I want to be weird too! :D :p

[bwana]

I've moved it back - just keep in mind the specific conditions placed upon threads in the Philosophical Debate section.

[skoob]

Dont you think that it is the weird individuals that make this forum soo darn interesting??? People also remember you for the mark that you have left behind!...As for me, Im just glad that my name is not on that list...:)

[Rikus]

Am I weird too? :p


I want to be weird too! :D :p
You are.
Now go play, the grownups are busy.

[redarrow]

I want to be weird too! :D :p
Not to worry..

You claim to be Captian Jack Sparrow.. thats as weird as it gets mate. :eek: (Cool as well though ;) )
Arrrrrgh! :D

[Geriatrix]

Weirdos.

[Vio]

A pity Vio cant understand Intelligent Design works with evolution as well.

I never ment to get your back up. I used to be a atheist and firmly believed in evolution, strangely though that it was excactly this that brought me back to believing in the existance of God. I read a book by Bill Bryson: A short history of nearly everything. Its a truely amazing read I recommend it to any atheist and suggest after they have read it come back and tell me that there wasn't the hand of God at work in our coming to be.

My belief of the creationist angle is purely motivated by my faith i'm afraid: God exists -> The Bible is the word of God -> If God sais its so it is so. There is some valid evidence in creation magazine but I must say the magazine is heavily biased in some cases and I havent bothered to check it out. But in short my logic is this since God is all powerfull he can make the universe like it is now in 7 days like His Holy book sais.

On the Q'uaran I dont wan't to attack any religion but in this case i'll state my blunt opinion on Islam and the Q'uaran. Mohamed was a Christian that went into a cave, meditated for a while and came out with a new thing. I feel sad for him especialy if I read Revelations 22:19.

Peace out.

[kilo39]

I've moved it back - just keep in mind the specific conditions placed upon threads in the Philosophical Debate section.More like this thread suffering Space Time Continuum :D

(pops up here, then pops up there... then) :D

[bwana]

More like this thread suffering Space Time Continuum :D

(pops up here, then pops up there... then) :DI know, and if I could find a section that I felt it really did belong in then I'd be happier :o

[Leitmotif]

I know, and if I could find a section that I felt it really did belong in then I'd be happier :o

/dev/null? :D

[kilo39]

I know, and if I could find a section that I felt it really did belong in then I'd be happier :oAh indecision. You be suffering Space Time Continuum bwana. Careful you could just pop up somewhere else (wasn't there a song about this?)


- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru )
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus/ Vio)
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

As to the others on the list Johan Beaurain & Internet_Junkie: don't know his posts but certainly know Johan's. What can we say: besides this is also the view of our government (whoa, could just be in trouble here, as in, this is our future, hope not.)

Could certainly think of a few to add (not to exclude myself of course.)

[Claymore]

I never ment to get your back up. I used to be a atheist and firmly believed in evolution, strangely though that it was excactly this that brought me back to believing in the existance of God. I read a book by Bill Bryson: A short history of nearly everything. Its a truely amazing read I recommend it to any atheist and suggest after they have read it come back and tell me that there wasn't the hand of God at work in our coming to be.

That book was indeed superb...but I see no hand of God at all. Much of that book is anathema to fundamentalists, in any case.

[ghoti]

I never ment to get your back up.

Its not at all. You might wanna work on your perceptions.


I used to be a atheist and firmly believed in evolution, strangely though that it was excactly this that brought me back to believing in the existance of God. I read a book by Bill Bryson: A short history of nearly everything.

I am not an atheist. I believe in evolution, and I have also read the book, infact I have suggested it to several forumites.


Its a truely amazing read I recommend it to any atheist and suggest after they have read it come back and tell me that there wasn't the hand of God at work in our coming to be.

I said I am not a creationist. IE, the world was not created in 7 days, the world is older than 6500 years, and evolution does happen (something Bryson actually covers in detail and believes)


My belief of the creationist angle is purely motivated by my faith i'm afraid: God exists -> The Bible is the word of God -> If God sais its so it is so.

That is where we differ. To me the Bible is a perspective on God written by bronze age tribesman.


There is some valid evidence in creation magazine but I must say the magazine is heavily biased in some cases and I havent bothered to check it out.

Myself and the scientific community wait in baited breath to see your proof.


But in short my logic is this since God is all powerfull he can make the universe like it is now in 7 days like His Holy book sais.

As Dawkins would say, thats a cop out.


On the Q'uaran I dont wan't to attack any religion but in this case i'll state my blunt opinion on Islam and the Q'uaran. Mohamed was a Christian that went into a cave, meditated for a while and came out with a new thing. I feel sad for him especialy if I read Revelations 22:19.


Do you know on Pathos ( I think I got that right), where John wrote Revelations, there is a magic mushroom of intense potency the local public enjoy. You should look into that.

I would suggest you read that book by Bryson again. Take note on all the stuff on geology and biology.. you missed a lot.

[Vio]

That book was indeed superb...but I see no hand of God at all. Much of that book is anathema to fundamentalists, in any case.

I guess diffrent people interpret things very diffrently. But that book was really special for me. What realy got me thinking was when they described the chances of protien forming randomly and they equated it to hitting the jackpot on a 27 meter long slot machine with 42 symbols on each dial in the excact order lol.

*Edit; Got the illustrated version of the book, its very pretty :D

[Rikus]

Patmos

[Claymore]

I guess diffrent people interpret things very diffrently. But that book was really special for me. What realy got me thinking was when they described the chances of protien forming randomly and they equated it to hitting the jackpot on a 27 meter long slot machine with 42 symbols on each dial in the excact order lol.

Everyone finds the statistics really hard to comprehend...but the long odds are theoretical - they'd only need to happen once. Bear in mind that you have hundreds of millions of years, and vast resources to hit those odds.

For example, I'm sure you'd agree that your chances of willing the Lotto are pretty slim. Now what if the Lotto ran every single minute, and you were able to buy millions of Lotto tickets for every draw?

[The Cosmos]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4) :))
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus/ Vio (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968656&postcount=8))
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?

Ok, here's another list.

GRU
Rujyi (or something like that)
Claymore
Toxic Bunny
Wizard (i'm not trying to spell it your way, btw)

All who deny the existence of the God and Christ of the Christian Bible. I'd rather be a holocaust denier than a Christ denier. Thank you very much !

[ToxicBunny]

Well actually no its better to deny Christ than the Holocaust, because I won't deny the slaughter of millions of innocent people unlike you and try to sweep it under the rug like it never happened, although being the fanatic that you are, its not surprising.

I don't choose to deny the existance of God, it is entirely possible he exists, but someone needs to give me more than some daft book written by many different people which is full of lies before I ACCEPT him...

[noxibox]

How does someone go from believing that some entity created the universe to assigning personality characteristics to that entity?

[ToxicBunny]

Interesting question actually...

Think it has alot to do with humans needing to be able to "relate" to things... like we anthropomorphise(sp?) alot of things....

[The Cosmos]

Well actually no its better to deny Christ than the Holocaust, because I won't deny the slaughter of millions of innocent people unlike you and try to sweep it under the rug like it never happened, although being the fanatic that you are, its not surprising.

I don't choose to deny the existance of God, it is entirely possible he exists, but someone needs to give me more than some daft book written by many different people which is full of lies before I ACCEPT him...

Yeah right. If He stands in front of you, you will still deny He exists.

[ghoti]

Ok, here's another list.

GRU
Rujyi (or something like that)
Claymore
Toxic Bunny
Wizard (i'm not trying to spell it your way, btw)

All who deny the existence of the God and Christ of the Christian Bible. I'd rather be a holocaust denier than a Christ denier. Thank you very much !

Could you please identify whereby I deny the existence of God? You have to try work on that honesty thing. I know you are a creationist, but make an effort.

[ToxicBunny]

How do you figure that if he stands in front of me, i'll deny his existence?... I may smack him if he pees on my shoes tho.

[The Cosmos]

Could you please identify whereby I deny the existence of God? You have to try work on that honesty thing. I know you are a creationist, but make an effort.

I may have given something incorrectly in one post, but i have corrected myself.

Don't try to trick me. You deny Christ. Therefore, you deny God. Simple as that. You can't deny one and not the other.

[phenom]

- has, but only one subjective-functioning-brain-cell (JK8)

[PostmanPot]

Don't try to trick me. You deny Christ. Therefore, you deny God. Simple as that. You can't deny one and not the other.

I wonder why the Jews thought he was a fake :confused:

[The Cosmos]

There are atheist jews, and religious jews.

[ToxicBunny]

atheist jews?

ummm do you know the meaning of atheist by any chance?

[The Cosmos]

Don't insult my intelligence.
Nethanyahu, Rumsfeld, Ariel Sharon, Kissinger, Karl Marx are all atheist jews.

Go look it up.

[noxibox]

Their religion and ethnicity are typically tied together, but someone of Jewish descent does not necessarily need to be a member of the Jewish religion, or any religion.

[The Cosmos]

Finally, someone who makes sense.

[phenom]

To is or not to are, that am the question !:rolleyes: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Please, kindly explain.

[rwenzori]

You deny Christ. Therefore, you deny God. Simple as that. You can't deny one and not the other.

What a quaint idea!

What about us Animists?

[Nod]

Yeah right. If He stands in front of you, you will still deny He exists.

The question is rather: If "He" stands in front of you, would you even know its god?

The fact is, the church defines who and what god are. If somebody claimed to be christ tomorrow, would you believe him, even if he does cure people, walk on water and turn water into wine? What tests would the church put him through to proof himself?

[ToxicBunny]

Ahhhh. k yes... I spose in that case there can be atheist Jews.... I just assume a Jew to be someone who is of the Jewish faith...

[Nanfeishen]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4) :))
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus/ Vio (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968656&postcount=8))
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?


Lets burn them at the stake for having different opinions, for questioning the "othododoxy" of what is taught or believed. Hang,draw and quarter them for their audacity to voice their opinions, for questioning the "agreed" upon ideology and for even thinking there may be alternate answers to what the ignorant masses are fed on a daily basis as being "the truth".
Not everybody chooses to worship at the alter of science, or of religion, or that of the mass media.
The sign of a failed education system is one where people DONT question, DONT challenge the authority of science, religion and policy, where people blindly follow, because their teacher, lecturer, professor or educator "knows what he's talking about", they are the "experts" why would they lie, or falsify, or promote falsehoods?. Education is about constantly challenging the perceptions and constantly challenging the orthodox, no matter how far fetched or bizarre. Education isnt about reading absorbing and accepting blindly that what is taught as true, it is meant to open the mind to new possibilities, to allow one to develop to the point of intrigue, query and question, acceptance is for the masses, the truly well educated will always question and challenge the reality of the world around them.
After reading "Slave species of god", and "Forbidden Archaeology", i will certainly question the reality and history i have been led to believe, having read The Bible, (old and new testaments) The book of mormon, The Quoran, The Egyptian book of the Dead, The Works of his Holliness the Dalai Lama, and numerous other spritual books, i will certainly question the existence of some all powerful "being" or "God".
Lets hope there are many more people out there who question and query and refuse to be led by the nose, because without them, we revert back to the ignorance of blindly following the word of the "priesthood" of so called "authorities", and that path leads eventually to the point where it will be come anti-social and illegal to question the validity of science, religion and what is being taught.
Dark age mentality.

[supersunbird]

There is only one reality, we're ****ed!

[Mr TB]

There is only one reality, we're ****ed!
God is a mass murderer rapist without prove promotors squad:

Free will / Creationst denialist-NOXIBOX
Free will / Empowerment denialist-NEO
Presuppostion denialist-TOXIBUNNY
Creationist denialist-NOXIBOX
Evolution a religion denialist-WIZARD1
God almighty denialis-RUYJI

Any more who deny God and support the claims of murder and rape?

[Neo]

God is a mass murderer rapist without prove promotors squad:

Free will / Creationst denialist-NOXIBOX
Free will / Empowerment denialist-NEO
Presuppostion denialist-TOXIBUNNY
Creationist denialist-NOXIBOX
Evolution a religion denialist-WIZARD1
God almighty denialis-RUYJI

Any more who deny God and support the claims of murder and rape?

As far as I recall, YOU'RE the one who said God is responsible for every murder and rape.

[ToxicBunny]

Cool, so I always look for knowledge before I make a decision.... thank you for noticing Mr TB....

[Mr TB]

As far as I recall, YOU'RE the one who said God is responsible for every murder and rape.

NEO

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=27240&page=8

The first forumite to suggest that God is a killer, a murderer, is Neo.
Any subsequent explanations that followed were just called irrellevant, ignored.
God’s forgiveness, timelines etc. were not accepted. Neo only want to find God guilty of one thing that is murder, he will not be convinced of anything else , his mind is made up. GUILTY

[ToxicBunny]

Well he is guilty of murder.....

He slaughtered innocent human beings.

BUT we can only ever suggest it, YOU said he was....

[Neo]

NEO

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=27240&page=8

The first forumite to suggest that God is a killer, a murderer, is Neo.
Any subsequent explanations that followed were just called irrellevant, ignored.
God’s forgiveness, timelines etc. were not accepted. Neo only want to find God guilty of one thing that is murder, he will not be convinced of anything else , his mind is made up. GUILTY

Trying to change the subject again? I've always said God is a self-confessed murderer, after all God openly admits it.

Rather, we're talking here about you who said you agree God is 'responsible for every murder and rape' (your words).

So it's a bit rich claiming others say God is responsible for these atrocities without mentioning you agree with them.

[Mr TB]

Well he is guilty of murder.....

He slaughtered innocent human beings.

BUT we can only ever suggest it, YOU said he was....

So you actually then believe the bible to be true and that evolution is nonsense.

BTW.. God is not a murderer, nor me nor DD conceded that, stop your one eyed reading. I am even starting to find it funny...:D

[PostmanPot]

There are atheist jews, and religious jews.

What kind of Jews were the ones that prophecised a Messiah?

[Mr TB]

Trying to change the subject again? I've always said God is a self-confessed murderer, after all God openly admits it.

Rather, we're talking here about you who said you agree God is 'responsible for every murder and rape' (your words).

So it's a bit rich claiming others say God is responsible for these atrocities without mentioning you agree with them.

NEO
Please note that Neo wish God to be a murderer as he continued nagging DouwDouw.

God is a God of Love , not hate as presented by the non-religious..

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791397&postcount=130

Just as he is trying the same old trick with Mr TB...

[ToxicBunny]

Your god is both sides of the coin Mr TB, he is a god of loving, but he is also a god of revenge, retribution, and pointless violence.

[Dr Seuss]

Your god is both sides of the coin Mr TB, he is a god of loving, but he is also a god of revenge, retribution, and pointless violence.

Yeah, and if we assume that our version of God is based on what our minds dictate, then I'm looking forward to meeting Mr TB's. Should be an interesting fella...
He may just piss on our shoes to prove a point. :D

[ToxicBunny]

Well he tries that he'll get a slap from me.. god or no god....

these are expensive shoes :D

[Neo]

BTW.. God is not a murderer, nor me nor DD conceded that, stop your one eyed reading. I am even starting to find it funny...:D

Really?, you never conceded God is responsible for every murder and rape?.....


if i have to agree that god hardened Pharaoh's heart , then i have to accept that every murder rape whatsoever was planned by god...


I then showed you where God openly admit he messed with Pharaoh's free will:



1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have made him and his servants obdurate in order that I may perform these signs of mine among them
2 and that you may recount to your son and grandson how ruthlessly I dealt with the Egyptians and what signs I wrought among them, so that you may know that I am the LORD."


You then agreed I was right:


Let us then accept your way of arguing here and say yes god indeed did.


So you agreed that "God hardened Pharaoh's heart". Therefore by your own statement you now agree that "every murder rape whatsoever was planned by god..."

[Mr TB]

Really?, you never conceded God is responsible for every murder and rape?.....



I then showed you where God openly admit he messed with Pharaoh's free will:



You then agreed I was right:



So you agreed that "God hardened Pharaoh's heart". Therefore by your own statement you now agree that "every murder rape whatsoever was planned by god..."
You are lying because you are not quoting DD side of the argument, you just showing again how biased the non-religious are... in any case...

Mr TB continues to show Neo's indullgence in wanting God to be a killer but not a forgiver...

NEO
He denies the fact that God is not a murderer and is very very argumentive as can be seen but he must prove God is a murderer, forget about forgiveness that has a role to play in commands like “love thy neighbour”.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791480&postcount=149

Scripture may seem to contradict but it does not:

For instance when Jesus was tempted satan actually referred him to the scripture, in turn Jesus would then refer him to another scripture.
It is quite clear that the non-religious quote scripture out of context, just as satan did..
NEO IS PHARISEE-LIKE DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME GUILTY!

[Claymore]

Ok, here's another list.

GRU
Rujyi (or something like that)
Claymore
Toxic Bunny
Wizard (i'm not trying to spell it your way, btw)

All who deny the existence of the God and Christ of the Christian Bible. I'd rather be a holocaust denier than a Christ denier. Thank you very much !

I'm proud to be classed with any who support reason, rationality, truth and the good qualities of humanity.

[Alan]

I thought I had seen it all, but we seem to have some real strange fellows coming out. So far I have seen,

- The AIDS denialist ( Johan)
- The holocaust denialist and someone who thinks all Jews are satans children (Internet_Junkie) EDIT: And wants to slaughter most of humanity. (Gru (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968474&postcount=4)
- Evolution denialists (Dodo Mr TB/ Prometheus/ Vio (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=968656&postcount=8))
- Reality denialist (Xarog)

The list goes on and on. Is this a sign of a failed educational system, or is South Africa becoming like the States where it has become fashionable and politically correct in America to avoid all real science?

Just read through the thread and I don't get a mention :eek: Obviously I'm not a weirdo then :cool:

Bwahaha I see Xarog( who's claim to want to rather live in Iran than the U.S definitely qualifies him )



Perhaps I miss some of Xarog's posts (in this section) but was just thinking this morning how I miss him (and a few others) in the News & Current Affairs forum. Always an order above with a good view of the world.

Go Xarog

This is about the 3rd or 4th person you have desperately appealed to for assistance . How sad :o

How did you manage not to get on that list :confused:



Hey, what about the conspiracy theorists?

Yeah, where's Lord Haw Haw. I mean who moves to a country run by a "Fascist" . A county you accuse of all the worlds problems nevermind dropping nukes on cities for no other reason than to "test" them :sick: .

That's uber weird :eek:



Am I weird too? :p

You're probably the only sane one here ;)

[Neo]

You are lying because you are not quoting DD side of the argument, you just showing again how biased the non-religious are... in any case...

Mr TB continues to show Neo's indullgence in wanting God to be a killer but not a forgiver...

NEO
He denies the fact that God is not a murderer and is very very argumentive as can be seen but he must prove God is a murderer, forget about forgiveness that has a role to play in commands like “love thy neighbour”.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791480&postcount=149

Scripture may seem to contradict but it does not:

For instance when Jesus was tempted satan actually referred him to the scripture, in turn Jesus would then refer him to another scripture.
It is quite clear that the non-religious quote scripture out of context, just as satan did..
NEO IS PHARISEE-LIKE DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME GUILTY!

To make it easier for you, I included the original quotes in my post above. Feel free to read the posts and show where I mis-quoted you.

I've got no desire to prove God is murderous. God does a good job himself.

I do, however, have a problem when people like you (and prom and I&J) tries to deny the actions of your own God.

[Mr TB]

To make it easier for you, I included the original quotes in my post above. Feel free to read the posts and show where I mis-quoted you.

I've got no desire to prove God is murderous. God does a good job himself.

I do, however, have a problem when people like you (and prom and I&J) tries to deny the actions of your own God.

NEO

Either you obey God's commands and J*sus's instructions to follow these same commands and you start doing what God told you to do (like killing gays, raping women or slaughtering young kids), or

* You go with Paul and directly disobey God and his Son, who gave direct instructions to do just that, obey the laws.

You can't claim, in one post, that you obey God's commands in the Old Testament and in the next post claim, you don't need to. Especially when you base your whole argument in this topic on one such command.

Neo show further ignorance insisting that their Paul is contradicting Jesus whilst proper study show there is no such contradiction...
The question arises , how can you accept theories like Evolution etc. and not be able to interpret a book like the bible properly?
In my view you can only be biased towards your god "science", your IDOL.

[kilo39]

alanf: I too have just read through the thread (and yes you were mentioned, ie, I could think of a few to add: consider yourself on that list.)

And why do you have to bring your fascist personal attacks to this thread. Take your always derogatory posts elsewhere. Dammit.

(can't you ever say anything decent?)

//and the reason I ask for assistance is I usually stand in the rightwing, denialist assault alone. You suck dude. Threads have been started about it. And here you are again. Not funny.

Same garbage, different day. Get over it dude (we all moved on from the 2nd WW)

[Alan]

alanf: I too have just read through the thread (and yes you were mentioned, ie, I could think of a few to add: consider yourself on that list.)

And why do you have to bring your fascist personal attacks to this thread. Take your always derogatory posts elsewhere. Dammit.

(can't you ever say anything decent?)

I was:eek: Must have missed it :(

Oh please all I'm doing is giving you a taste of your own medicine :sick: which you obviously can't take:o

What like saying AA is BS as well as Johan AIDS denial . There I said it. Decent enough for you ;)

[Neo]

NEO

Either you obey God's commands and J*sus's instructions to follow these same commands and you start doing what God told you to do (like killing gays, raping women or slaughtering young kids), or

* You go with Paul and directly disobey God and his Son, who gave direct instructions to do just that, obey the laws.

You can't claim, in one post, that you obey God's commands in the Old Testament and in the next post claim, you don't need to. Especially when you base your whole argument in this topic on one such command.

Neo show further ignorance insisting that their Paul is contradicting Jesus whilst proper study show there is no such contradiction...
The question arises , how can you accept theories like Evolution etc. and not be able to interpret a book like the bible properly?
In my view you can only be biased towards your god "science", your IDOL.

I've never claimed that I obey God's commands. But I have asked you, as someone who believe in God and his infallible word; why don't you obey your God?

I've quoted the direct contradictions between Paul and Jesus for you and no amount of study (even with your 10 degrees) can argue away that they had different agendas. Jesus was a Jew who wanted to uphold the laws, while Paul (who never even knew Jesus) had a different agenda and wanted to start a religion under the Gentiles. Needless to say Paul succeeded. You're the end product.

[Alan]

//and the reason I ask for assistance is I usually stand in the rightwing, denialist assault alone. You suck dude. Threads have been started about it. And here you are again. Not funny.

Same garbage, different day. Get over it dude (we all moved on from the 2nd WW)


Yo bro you like totally hurt my feelings man :(

Bwahahaha you "Stand Alone" Same :o

Kilo has no tolerance :p

[kilo39]

I'm outa this thread

[kilo39]

//back//

point is: you've been proven wrong over and over again. But you keep on, same **** different day: proven wrong, over and over. Lying. Propaganda, misinformation, false or non-evidence: over and over again.

But here you are...same old.

Tiresome. And NO: as usual you take the Xarog comment completely out of context; and yes, it is true, I seldom see Xarog posting in N&CA (but when he does he usually shuts you lot up in one line.) And yes, it was a little laugh; but what do you do? Heel down in the dirt. Sieg.

Over and over again. Wrong. Proven. Shown to be wrong. But here you are again. With the personal attacks, silly faces and general garbage. Just for once in your life have a decent comment or STFU. And that is exactly why I am out of this thread; 'cause you constantly insist even though you are wrong.

Oh please torture them I demand it. Idiot.

[Xarog]

Alan is a broken record. He lacks any ability to process facts and adjust his opinions accordingly. That's why all the discussions with him is a repeat of stuff that's been said before and also why trying to respond to anything he says is an absolute waste of time.

[kilo39]

Yeah, where's Lord Haw Haw. I mean who moves to a country run by a "Fascist" . A county you accuse of all the worlds problems nevermind dropping nukes on cities for no other reason than to "test" them :sick: . LG is one of the most respected forumites here: certainly for his contribution. If you have a political gripe deal with it on the appropriate thread. Who are you to be calling LG names or giving him a derogatory title. Contribute as much then maybe you would have less to say.

And that about sums it up for you: derogation, your forte ('cause you have nothing else.)

Well perhaps a little more than marine1: bababababababa.

Sickening.

Ja Xarog, except it is all personal attacks: witness LG above.

[teraside]

You are.
Now go play, the grownups are busy.

Excuse me dude, but ever since you came here you've been nothing less than a trouble maker. I posted those messages when this thread was still in off topic.

Keep your stupid comments to yourself please.

The young dudes are busy ;) (having a life)

[Xarog]

In all fairness, just because a thread is in off-topic doesn't mean its purpose is to facilitate joking around.

What I mean is, things go to off-topic because there's no better section for them, it does not mean that the thread is to be regarded as a rebellion against keeping a discussion on-topic with regards to the OP.

[teraside]

Understood Xarog, but keeping it on topic by making reference to the thread title should be allowed shouldn't it?

My comments were jokes, of course, most of what I say on this forum I say in a manner that is 100&#37; in contrast with my true personality. Why?

Because I feel that when communicating in this way, through text, I can express emotions that I can't say with my own physical words.

So why not bring fun into it? Especially if it's off topic? ;) :p :D

[Xarog]

Understood Xarog, but keeping it on topic by making reference to the thread title should be allowed shouldn't it?
Of course. But if you wouldn't make the same joke because it was in a different section then you're making the joke for the wrong reasons, in my opinion.

[kilo39]

Yo bro you like totally hurt my feelings man :(

Bwahahaha you "Stand Alone" Same :o

Kilo has no tolerance :pI really hate this sh#t. I admit I use words like moron, idiot (bigot, fascist, racist.) But you are always with the Hitler Appeaser and Iran Appeaser and a long list of personal attacks. My tolerance evaporates to zero after weeks of showing you you are wrong.

Typical is this line about LG:


Yeah, where's Lord Haw Haw. I mean who moves to a country run by a "Fascist" . A county you accuse of all the worlds problems nevermind dropping nukes on cities for no other reason than to "test" them.

You have no connection to logic and no empathy with the reality of the world; it is all one long litany of Bush butt licking; you even sign up for him having the DNS and turning the world into China. Perfectly fine with you. Torture, kidnapping: perfectly fine with you. No sense of measurement. Welcomes the gulag.

Then you wonder I lose my patience.

A line in the sand. Every day is a new day. We try again tomorrow.

[rwenzori]

(can't you ever say anything decent?)

Social inadequacies and sometimes other frustrations in immature adults often lead to overly aggressive behaviour and a lack of good manners on online forums. That might be what you are witnessing, kilo39.

[ghoti]

Social inadequacies and sometimes other frustrations in immature adults often lead to overly aggressive behaviour and a lack of good manners on online forums. That might be what you are witnessing, kilo39.

Sounds probable.

[Alan]

Oh man you guys are a laugh :D

You really can't take a bit of your own medicine. Amazing you can dish it out but suddenly get all sensitive when you are on the receiving end and throw your toys out the cot:o .

You want have your cake and eat it too. If you you don't then you gang up, insult and finally whine to the mods all so you can have this forum as myleftwingnut.co.za.

Oh please :rolleyes:

[ghoti]

Oh man you guys are a laugh :D

You really can't take a bit of your own medicine. Amazing you can dish it out but suddenly get all sensitive when you are on the receiving end and throw your toys out the cot:o .

You want have your cake and eat it too. If you you don't then you gang up, insult and finally whine to the mods all so you can have this forum as myleftwingnut.co.za.

Oh please :rolleyes:

What a funny little kid.

[Alan]

What a funny little kid.

Says the the author of this thread :o

A real sign of maturity :rolleyes:

[Mr TB]

I've never claimed that I obey God's commands. But I have asked you, as someone who believe in God and his infallible word; why don't you obey your God?

I've quoted the direct contradictions between Paul and Jesus for you and no amount of study (even with your 10 degrees) can argue away that they had different agendas. Jesus was a Jew who wanted to uphold the laws, while Paul (who never even knew Jesus) had a different agenda and wanted to start a religion under the Gentiles. Needless to say Paul succeeded. You're the end product.

Once again NEO shows his ignorance, "love thy neighbor", is this in contradiction with chopping of someone's hand or hanging someone because he murdered someone else, in contradiction with forgiveness...

Something ... forgiveness... NEO and his self-rightious non-religious clan insist does not exist in the bible...

By doing that they are showing their unforgiving and arrogant side... the side of an evolusionist...

[Xarog]

Says the the author of this thread :o

A real sign of maturity :rolleyes:
Funny how you had no qualms about joining in. I guess at best that makes you as bad as he is. But unlike you, Wizard at least doesn't have a history of trying to debate via character assassination and ad-hominems. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I wonder if even a troll could be so stupid. :confused:

[Alan]

Funny how you had no qualms about joining in. I guess at best that makes you as bad as he is. But unlike you, Wizard at least doesn't have a history of trying to debate via character assassination and ad-hominems. :rolleyes:

Gee you noticed :o

Strange how he can do it but I can't take part. Somehow that makes me a "kid" :rolleyes:. Seems a bit hypocritical

Oh please I'm still waiting for you to back up your claims in that Iran thread which you mysteriously disappeared from. I did and you didn't.



Sometimes I wonder if even a troll could be so stupid. :confused:

How :o ing then that you get so muddled when debating with a "stupid troll"

[ghoti]

Gee you noticed :o

Strange how he can do it but I can't take part. Somehow that makes me a "kid" :rolleyes:. Seems a bit hypocritical


hakuna matata pikinin :D

[Mr TB]

Bk.ru

Truth-denialist: This forumite bk.ru denies truth and spread false roomers. Without proper investigation he claims contradition between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=883495&postcount=21

He shows a clear lack of understanding of the ancient mind.

He shows that he can not distinguish between water and rain.

He shows complete lack of understanding of the Hebrew language.
Solomon, based on the interpretation of bk.ru’s hebrrew fetched the person who had to build 2 of the temple's pillars 13 years after the temple was completed…

You should read your bible…

I would like to note the following….
QUOTE:

"The Fallacy of Equivocation occurs when a word is used in two different contexts and is assumed to have the same meaning in both contexts, when distinct meanings ought to be preferred."

"Evolutionists often commit this fallacy: They discuss facts of evolution (= genetic changes or diversity within a species), which creationists do not deny, and conclude that they have proven evolution (= new species arising from old species or life arising from simple goo ["goo to you by the way of the zoo"])."

[ToxicBunny]

Well educate us then Mr TB, what is the difference between water and rain?

[Tux]

Yet another Dodo'ed thread...

[ToxicBunny]

Well tru, but I'm very intrigued as to why water is different from rain :D..

and I think I'm adding Herr Gru to the list of weirdos.... just cos i'm feeling generous today :D

[Xarog]

Oh please I'm still waiting for you to back up your claims in that Iran thread which you mysteriously disappeared from. I did and you didn't.
Which thread? I guess that makes it about 10 to 1 in my favour regarding who dodged discussions though. More hypocrisy from you. Are you trying to set some global record for the number of times a human being can put their foot in their mouth?




How ing then that you get so muddled when debating with a "stupid troll"
Being astounded and getting muddled are two entirely different things, but I guess it's understandable that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

And as a side note, using emoticons instead of writing a word is on the same level as writing entire posts in leet speak. Emoticons are there to convey emotions, not to act as stand ins for words.

[Mr TB]

Well tru, but I'm very intrigued as to why water is different from rain :D..

and I think I'm adding Herr Gru to the list of weirdos.... just cos i'm feeling generous today :D

The one falls from the sky bunny... without that nothing grows. You can have thousands of litres of water but without rain...

Are you still intrigued?... God gave us brain cells to use... if you can not even distinguish between water and rain do you ever think you will be able to convince me of evolution?.....:D

[supersunbird]

Mr TB, you... you...

Rain is just falling water. You can have thousand of litres and without rain things would still grow, just put little irregation pipes to all of them...

[ToxicBunny]

Well since Mr TB doesn't seem to understand that rain is water, and its not necessary for it to rain with modern (or even ancient) irrigation technology... then there is no hope for him... He probably thinks milk comes from a box/bottle...

[Mr TB]

Mr TB, you... you...

Rain is just falling water. You can have thousand of litres and without rain things would still grow, just put little irregation pipes to all of them...

Come again supersunbird, what is water?... it is water.
And rain , rain is falling water.

Supersunbird what is the difference between "water" and "falling water"?

[supersunbird]

Come again supersunbird, what is water?... it is water.
And rain , rain is falling water.

Supersunbird what is the difference between "water" and "falling water"?

Difference:

The falling water in the gravity well hasnt encountered the compacted mass we call earth yet?

[ToxicBunny]

Very little actually... the majority of water on this planet is falling in some way or another, or has recently fallen, or will fall again in a short period of time.

[Mr TB]

IN RESPONSE TO SUPERSUNBIRD:

"Irrigation pipes"... we are talking of the beginning times... is that just plain stupidity on your side or ignorance?

[teraside]

Of course. But if you wouldn't make the same joke because it was in a different section then you're making the joke for the wrong reasons, in my opinion.

Dude, let's just say I make many jokes in all areas of the forum. But, off topic is the place where most of the funnies occur.

The main thing is that lately, not because of this sub forum, in general. Myadsl has become everything which I love to hate. People are judging one another, being real *********s to each other and they're sucking each other dry.

Everything, all motives are exposed and maybe people are too skeptical of each other, who knows?

I'm not having a hissy fit or throwing a tantrum, just voicing my opinion.

Guys like bwana, stoke and MaD and even lil TIAL make it fun to be around, they know how to be funny in a cool manner, but the rest of these so called weirdos? Let's just say they spend too much time thinking, and thinking gets them into trouble (that's actually a song) :p ;) :D

I want the fun back man, not just useless fun, with no substance, but a place where each person respects the other in a grown up way, not always trying to be a wise ass and get the last word in ;)

Peace and Grace to you for the Easter weekend bro :;)

[supersunbird]

well, live started in the seas in the beginning no need for falling water...

[Mr TB]

Difference:

The falling water in the gravity well hasnt encountered the compacted mass we call earth yet?

Is there a difference beween "water" and "falling water" sir, or are you going to continue to try and hide your ignorance?

[Tux]

God gave us brain cells to use...

Then use them. Or did god forget to give you some? Certainly looks like it

[ToxicBunny]

Oh you didn't just bring the start of life into this SSB? did you?

*sigh* here we go again... :D

[supersunbird]

Is there a difference beween "water" and "falling water" sir, or are you going to continue to try and hide your ignorance?

No difference except that one is in a state of motion in a atmosphere to a relative point. But basically all water is moving cosmically, so no, i guess there isnt a difference except maybe in volume. Chemically its all the same.

[supersunbird]

Oh you didn't just bring the start of life into this SSB? did you?

*sigh* here we go again... :D

/me shoots himself...

[ToxicBunny]

Nothing is ever stationary...

Everything is constantly in motion, falling and rising in relation to some other relative point in the cosmos....

Actually Wait, I think I'm gonna start using that kind of logic when i next get a speeding fine... Asking the cops relative to which position are they measuring my speed :D

[Tux]

/me shoots himself...

Allow us to help you with that noble venture sir... :D

[Mr TB]

No difference except that one is in a state of motion in a atmosphere to a relative point. But basically all water is moving cosmically, so no, i guess there isnt a difference except maybe in volume. Chemically its all the same.

I will keep this post as a souvenire...:)

[supersunbird]

I will keep this post as a souvenire...:)

Hopefully a souvenir of the day you got a CLUE!!!

[Alan]

Which thread? I guess that makes it about 10 to 1 in my favour regarding who dodged discussions though. More hypocrisy from you. Are you trying to set some global record for the number of times a human being can put their foot in their mouth?

The same thread where you "didn't bother" looking for links to back up your claims :o


Being astounded and getting muddled are two entirely different things, but I guess it's understandable that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

No you can clearly see in the threads that you got yourself muddled. Although getting muddled could be the result of you being astonished. Reality does hit home hard as you have no doubt realised.



And as a side note, using emoticons instead of writing a word is on the same level as writing entire posts in leet speak. Emoticons are there to convey emotions, not to act as stand ins for words.

So I add a little "colour" to my posts :D . Or maybe I don't feel like typing the words out.

[Mr TB]

Hopefully a souvenir of the day you got a CLUE!!!SUPERSUNBIRD
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=970487&postcount=130

"Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus - Cite This Source

Main Entry: rain
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: downpour
Synonyms: CBC sunshine, cat-and-dog weather*, cloud juice, cloudburst, condensation, deluge, drencher, drizzle, fall, flood, flurry, hail, heavy dew, liquid sunshine*, mist, monsoon, pour, pouring, precip*, precipitation, raindrops, rainfall, rainstorm, sheets, shower, showers, sky juice, sleet, spate, spit, sprinkle, sprinkling, stream, sun shower*, torrent, volley*, wet stuff*, window washer*

Notes: rain is drops of fresh water that fall as precipitation from clouds; reign is a period during which somebody is dominant or powerful; rein is one of a pair of long leather straps connected to the bit or bridle and used to control a horse or other animal
Source:
Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
Copyright © 2007 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
* = informal or slang"

"rain reɪn - Show Spelled Pronunciation[reyn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. water that is condensed from the aqueous vapor in the atmosphere and falls to earth in drops more than 1/50 in. (0.5 mm) in diameter. Compare DRIZZLE (def. 6)."


Rain SupersunBird is like ice or steam, if you want one of the 3 you need water…

If you want diamonds to disappear throw one in liquid oxygen…

The unfortunate problem with critics and skeptics of the bible are dishonesty. They attack the bible and condemn it not paying attention to context or meaning of words.

There is clear dishonesty and contempt trying to indicate contradiction between Rain and water by skeptics…

[Tux]

^ foot.gun.trigger.BANG

[ToxicBunny]

Actually GRU, I think he skipped the first three steps of your process there.

have to give him credit, he is efficiently stupid tho.

[Mr TB]

TO SUPERSUNBIRD:

I did not include the definition for water, you will also find it in Roget's.

"wa&#183;ter /ˈwɔtər, ˈwɒtər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[waw-ter, wot-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid, a compound of hydrogen and oxygen, H2O, freezing at 32&#176;F or 0&#176;C and boiling at 212&#176;F or 100&#176;C, that in a more or less impure state constitutes rain, oceans, lakes, rivers, etc.: it contains 11.188 percent hydrogen and 88.812 percent oxygen, by weight. "

Hopefully you will now realise that there is a difference between rain and water...

[ToxicBunny]

Mr TB : I am going to have to be very blunt, becuase you don't seem to grasp subtly very well.

Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending to be a complete moron?

[supersunbird]

Rain SupersunBird is like ice or steam, if you want one of the 3 you need water…

If you want diamonds to disappear throw one in liquid oxygen…

The unfortunate problem with critics and skeptics of the bible are dishonesty. They attack the bible and condemn it not paying attention to context or meaning of words.

There is clear dishonesty and contempt trying to indicate contradiction between Rain and water by skeptics…

No, rain and steam and ice IS water, just at different temperatures and/or pressures...

[supersunbird]

TO SUPERSUNBIRD:

I did not include the definition for water, you will also find it in Roget's.

"wa·ter /ˈwɔtər, ˈwɒtər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[waw-ter, wot-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid, a compound of hydrogen and oxygen, H2O, freezing at 32°F or 0°C and boiling at 212°F or 100°C, that in a more or less impure state constitutes rain, oceans, lakes, rivers, etc.: it contains 11.188 percent hydrogen and 88.812 percent oxygen, by weight. "

Hopefully you will now realise that there is a difference between rain and water...

Hehehehe!

[Mr TB]

IN RESPONSE TO CLAYMORE:

"the chances of protien forming randomly and they equated it to hitting the jackpot on a 27 meter long slot machine with 42 symbols on each dial in the excact order lol."

"For example, I'm sure you'd agree that your chances of willing the Lotto are pretty slim. Now what if the Lotto ran every single minute, and you were able to buy millions of Lotto tickets for every draw?"

There is 42 numbers on one dial, in lotto you have to pick 6 numbers in the correct order, so 6 dials 49,48,47,46,45,44 numbers.
If we can build the current lotto machine it will have six wheels 49 dials and say will be a meter wide. Once the first wheel dial a number that number will not appear on any of the other wheels, a restriction...

In the suggestion made the lotto machine has 6X27 wheels(dials) with 42 numbers on it. It is not restricted when showing the numbers on the dials(wheels).

Calculation show there are 162 dials (wheels). Anyone willing to calculate what the chance to pick the correct number on dial(wheel) 150 if I play once?

[Mr TB]

Hehehehe!

Typical of a looser...:D

[ToxicBunny]

Mr TB : Who said anything about playing once here.... This is the universe, there are no limits on how often you can play.....

Why does my blood boil when this moron doesn't even begin to grasp the concept that no matter HOW miniscule the chance something will happen, that the universe is so large that its probably happened countless times already.

[supersunbird]

Typical of a looser...:D

LOL, you're the loser for posting a definition where its says rain constitutes water. I even bolded it for you in my quoting of your post.

[Mr TB]

LOL, you're the loser for posting a definition where its says rain constitutes water. I even bolded it for you in my quoting of your post.

Yeah, that is why evolunists is so amusing, their stupidity amazes me.. , they will not admit they are wrong ... just like you... ice is also water...:D

[supersunbird]

Yeah, that is why evolunists is so amusing, their stupidity amazes me.. , they will not admit they are wrong ... just like you... ice is also water...:D

Are you being sarcastic?

Ice IS water...

[Mr TB]

LOL, you're the loser for posting a definition where its says rain constitutes water. I even bolded it for you in my quoting of your post.

Then what does colour constitute? What is colour really mate, if you want to keep on with you foolishness? What do you need to need to have colour, otherwise you can stand on your head and whistle Jan Pierewiet through your fienol and colour you will still not have?

[ToxicBunny]

I have a feeling it doesn't understand that "water" is the "chemical" component, and ice, rain(one of many types of liquid), steam are just phases that water can be found in.

[ToxicBunny]

Who mentioned colour in this "debate" at all?

Mr TB : you are pretty much standing on a rather large pedestal shouting out that you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed at the moment. It might be an idea to go into your little corner and think about what you've said before continuing on with this.

[supersunbird]

Then what does colour constitute? What is colour really mate, if you want to keep on with you foolishness? What do you need to need to have colour, otherwise you can stand on your head and whistle Jan Pierewiet through your fienol and colour you will still not have?

"Colour" is part of the electromagnetic spectrum of radiation thats emitted by the sun that is detectable by the human eye. Surfaces of objects reflect and absorb different wavelengths differently and causes different colours perceptable to the human eye...

[kilo39]

Oh man you guys are a laugh :D

You really can't take a bit of your own medicine. Amazing you can dish it out but suddenly get all sensitive when you are on the receiving end and throw your toys out the cot:o .

You want have your cake and eat it too. If you you don't then you gang up, insult and finally whine to the mods all so you can have this forum as myleftwingnut.co.za.

Oh please :rolleyes:Not true. We are not constantly inventing new names, new titles, and new derogatory comments. "something about eyeballs on stalks" was the last one. Oh forgot, Lord Haw Haw. Or also a recent one: moonbats.

Gets tiresome (and no we are not doing that: occasional use of the word moron or idiot, perfectly legit in the forum environment.)

And we update ourselves (as mentioned by Xarog (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=969987#post969987).) If you are wrong admit you are wrong instead of brushing over it with new terms of 'endearment.'

Keep your sense of humour it's a plus but please spare us the rest (constantly over and over.)

[Mr TB]

Are you being sarcastic?

Ice IS water...

That is where you and the skeptics try to create confusion. That is the reason why skeptics like bk.ru are dishonest.

God did not let it rain, but that does not mean there wasn't any water.
That is why you will not admit you are wrong...

[ToxicBunny]

*blink*...

sorry what?
huh?

WTF are u going on about Mr TB?

[supersunbird]

What has God got to do with rain (or anything :p)? I havent read the backpages of this thread...

[Mr TB]

"Colour" is part of the electromagnetic spectrum of radiation thats emitted by the sun that is detectable by the human eye. Surfaces of objects reflect and absorb different wavelengths differently and causes different colours perceptable to the human eye...

Who are you confusing the formula is , it is h X F, easy as that...

"the electromagnetic spectrum of radiation thats emitted by the sun that is detectable by the human eye."

What about the eyes of animals don't they detect this radiation?

[supersunbird]

Water formed during the cooling down of the mass of matter that we know know as Earth, comets and such spacial objects contributed hydrogen and oxygen which easily bonded and formed a H20 molecule (in steam phase) when the pressure and temperature of the planet reached a certain level. As the planet cooled more, the steam molecules condensed in groups and formed water, and now the planet is cool enough to support ice in certain regions...

[Mr TB]

What has God got to do with rain (or anything :p)? I havent read the backpages of this thread...

Then why did you not keep your big trap shut as I was commenting on the arguments of skeptics?

[supersunbird]

Who are you confusing the formula is , it is h X F, easy as that...

"the electromagnetic spectrum of radiation thats emitted by the sun that is detectable by the human eye."

What about the eyes of animals don't they detect this radiation?

Animals detect it too, but some animals may detech lesser or more radiation types and thus experience a wider range of colours. Some animals also have only one type of eye receptor cells and thus see only black and white, while other have 2 types and can see colour and black and white (or two tone), we experience the black and white at night time from moonlight, our colour receptors dont work at the reflected frequencies.

[supersunbird]

I just saw you mention that water and rain is different, but they really aint, so I had to correct you...

[Mr TB]

Animals detect it too, but some animals may detech lesser or more radiation types and thus experience a wider range of colours. Some animals also have only one type of eye receptor cells and thus see only black and white, while other have 2 types and can see colour and black and white (or two tone), we experience the black and white at night time from moonlight, our colour receptors dont work at the reflected frequencies.

Colour constitutes light but under a different frequency and so does steam, rain , ice constitute water under different pressures or circumstances.

The fact is there is a difference and if you wish not to recognise these differences you will end up with wrong results...

Secondly if you ordered a blue Merc and they deliver a white one... you have no reason to complain frequency difference only...

[ToxicBunny]

Again Mr TB, i have to ask this... wtf are you smoking?

Light operates in different frequencys and are therefore DIFFERENT

Water comes in phases, such as ice, steam, liquid... they have different physical properties but are the SAME chemical... until you can grasp that simple concept, i think u need to excuse yourself from reality.

[supersunbird]

I said there is a difference, the one is falling in the gravity well, and the other is blocked by a solid matter as thus not is falling in the atmosphere and gets another name, puddle, river, dam, ocean. But that doesnt mean rain isnt water, its not even in a different phase.

No, I ordered a car that reflects all light and thus is white, I didnt order a car that reflects just blue...

[Mr TB]

I have a feeling it doesn't understand that "water" is the "chemical" component, and ice, rain(one of many types of liquid), steam are just phases that water can be found in.

You are actually giving the skeptics another blow in their complaint concerning water, water already existed but the phase of "rain" has not taken place...thanks...:D

[ToxicBunny]

Ok.. Again.. *blink*

rain is not a phase of water.. Liquid is the phase that rain is part of.

[supersunbird]

Is this fight about genesis? And how light came before the sun? And how water came from nowhere?

[Pr⊕phet]

its not rain. its angles having a twinkle from the clouds above....

[Mr TB]

Ok.. Again.. *blink*

rain is not a phase of water.. Liquid is the phase that rain is part of.

Skeptics are dishonest and want the bible to be wrong, even though you may find all this interesting ways not to concede that there is a difference between rain and water(coming to think of it , if there is no difference calling it by a different name constitutes English to be a stupid language in any case)
So why continue in an idiotic language that call same things by different names... Question mark on the speakers of it...:D

[ToxicBunny]

There is a difference between rain and "water" in its generally accepted terms... but they are the SAME damn thing.... the different words, are used to describe the different states you may find water in.

Oh, ok, so lets try it in your native language.... surely you have a word for rain and for water do you not? That makes your native language just as stupid as english.

[Mr TB]

Mr TB : Who said anything about playing once here.... This is the universe, there are no limits on how often you can play.....

Why does my blood boil when this moron doesn't even begin to grasp the concept that no matter HOW miniscule the chance something will happen, that the universe is so large that its probably happened countless times already.

It is very dangerous if your blood boil... You should first have a lesson in "waarskynlikheidsleer" and then attempt again to convince me of the possibility of the impossible...

[ToxicBunny]

possibility of the impossible? you mean that some namby pamby all-powerful petulant lil being created everything?

[Pr⊕phet]

Toxic. and evil too it seems as i pointed out earlier today


I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
—Isaiah 45:7

[ToxicBunny]

Yeah, when I say everything... I mean everything, good and bad... :) I'm an equal opportunity believer.. as long as the object admits it does good and bad.. :D

[Mr TB]

There is a difference between rain and "water" in its generally accepted terms... but they are the SAME damn thing.... the different words, are used to describe the different states you may find water in.

Oh, ok, so lets try it in your native language.... surely you have a word for rain and for water do you not? That makes your native language just as stupid as english.

There is a difference in my language between "reen" and "water", the first falls from the sky and the second you will find in a river or a tap.

"reen" rather refers to the action than the "water" itself as you are trying to convince me in your language.

My native language are not stupid... you are making a comic of yours...

[ToxicBunny]

Oh, so now you are saying there isn't a difference between rain and water?

[Pr⊕phet]

lol finding water in a tap. omg so modernized....

afrikaans btw is a hybrid of languages not a true original - bastardized to death a trojan at its best.

maar dit vloek so lekker hehehe ;)

[Pr⊕phet]

ToxicBunny, MrTB says (lol)

reen/rain - event of water falling downwards from the sky

water - the actual element that is water itself.

[Mr TB]

Oh, so now you are saying there isn't a difference between rain and water?

You are the one that will not acknowledge the difference as well as sunbird:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=970724&postcount=171

[Mr TB]

lol finding water in a tap. omg so modernized....

afrikaans btw is a hybrid of languages not a true original - bastardized to death a trojan at its best.

maar dit vloek so lekker hehehe ;)
Yeah, and I find your remarks like that of a dnikreoh.

[Neo]

Dodo is the epitome of having just enough knowledge to be dangerously idiotic. He knows about 'stuff' like water, rain and ice, let alone that the colour of light is a function of its wavelength, but obviously don't quite grasp it properly.

Now modern technology gives him a platform like this forum and only helps to show his ignorance. The sad thing is he really believe what he posts.

[ToxicBunny]

Because there ISN'T a difference between rain and water...

other than the fact that one is falling from the sky..... but that is entirely a relative concept....

Then again, maybe these concepts are beyond your limited ability to grasp complicated ideas...

[supersunbird]

There is a difference in my language between "reen" and "water", the first falls from the sky and the second you will find in a river or a tap.

"reen" rather refers to the action than the "water" itself as you are trying to convince me in your language.

My native language are not stupid... you are making a comic of yours...

Nee, die reen is water wat val, uit die kraan kom kraanwater, en in die revier is rivierwater, dis maar net woorde wat die toestand waarin die water is beskryf...

Die geparkeerde kar is blou, die bewegende kar is rooi, is die goed nou nie alby karre nie?

[Mr TB]

Nee, die reen is water wat val, uit die kraan kom kraanwater, en in die revier is rivierwater, dis maar net woorde wat die toestand waarin die water is beskryf...

Die geparkeerde kar is blou, die bewegende kar is rooi, is die goed nou nie alby karre nie?

En dit maak natuurlik steeds 'n verskil as daar water in die see is maar dit het nie gereen nie, iets wat voeltjie maar net nie verstaan nie...

[Mr TB]

Dodo is the epitome of having just enough knowledge to be dangerously idiotic. He knows about 'stuff' like water, rain and ice, let alone that the colour of light is a function of its wavelength, but obviously don't quite grasp it properly.

Now modern technology gives him a platform like this forum and only helps to show his ignorance. The sad thing is he really believe what he posts.

What you say may carry truth, but a forum like this also show the massive amount of lies that is fed to the public trying to show the bible as untrue...

It also shows that this misinformation is done with contempt and not trying to find honest answers ...

[Neo]

What you say may carry truth, but a forum like this also show the massive amount of lies that is fed to the public trying to show the bible as untrue...

It also shows that this misinformation is done with contempt and not trying to find honest answers ...

Unlike you, prom and I&J, I've not once quoted the bible out of context. If you don't agree, show me where I've done so.

Since I don't 'believe' implicitly in the bible, I can read and analyse it without emotion, just like any other ancient document.

You guys, on the other hand, have to resort to verbal gymnastics to try and defend your God and the silly notion that the bible is not full of contradictions. Instead of just admitting it and carrying on.

So, whenever you make illogical statements and try and 'prove' it from the bible, I'll point it out. Especially if the lies are told to try and show the bible as perfect.

You, yourself, have done this. Told blatant lies to try and prove a point. This might work in Sunday school, but here you have a very different audience. You will get caught out.

Keep this in mind when you post.

[Mr TB]

Unlike you, prom and I&J, I've not once quoted the bible out of context. If you don't agree, show me where I've done so.

Since I don't 'believe' implicitly in the bible, I can read and analyse it without emotion, just like any other ancient document.

You guys, on the other hand, have to resort to verbal gymnastics to try and defend your God and the silly notion that the bible is not full of contradictions. Instead of just admitting it and carrying on.

So, whenever you make illogical statements and try and 'prove' it from the bible, I'll point it out. Especially if the lies are told to try and show the bible as perfect.

You, yourself, have done this. Told blatant lies to try and prove a point. This might work in Sunday school, but here you have a very different audience. You will get caught out.

Keep this in mind when you post.

Oh, please, I have already shown in this thread earlier how you went out of your way trying intentionally to discredit god by calling him up for rape mass murder etc... That is your goal...

[Mr TB]

A further response to NEO:

"Unlike you, prom and I&J, I've not once quoted the bible out of context. If you don't agree, show me where I've done so."

The very fact that you state contradiction between Christ and Paul shows either- your inability to understand Paul's letters or-

defenite contempt to confuse people concerning the bible,
blatant ignorance of what Paul is teaching.

[Neo]

Oh, please, I have already shown in this thread earlier how you went out of your way trying intentionally to discredit god by calling him up for rape mass murder etc... That is your goal...

I rather recall it was you who said God is responsible for every rape and murder....

How soon we forget: http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=969859&postcount=85

[Neo]

A further response to NEO:

"Unlike you, prom and I&J, I've not once quoted the bible out of context. If you don't agree, show me where I've done so."

The very fact that you state contradiction between Christ and Paul shows either- your inability to understand Paul's letters or-

defenite contempt to confuse people concerning the bible,
blatant ignorance of what Paul is teaching.

None of the above, just the ability to read and common sense....

If my God tells me to follow a set of laws (which He himself came to uphold) and some guy, years later, say you don't need to anymore, who will you believe? Jesus or Paul?

Any which way, they directly contradict each other.

I've asked you more than once where Jesus said the old laws don't hold anymore (as Paul does) and you've not once answered me.

Why?

Or maybe you can show where Jesus gave Paul the authority to overrule him?

[Mr TB]

None of the above, just the ability to read and common sense....

If my God tells me to follow a set of laws (which He himself came to uphold) and some guy, years later, say you don't need to anymore, who will you believe? Jesus or Paul?

Any which way, they directly contradict each other.

I've asked you more than once where Jesus said the old laws don't hold anymore (as Paul does) and you've not once answered me.

Why?

Or maybe you can show where Jesus gave Paul the authority to overrule him?

As the forumites read the post at a latter stage I point out once again that Paul and Jesus does not contradict each other.

It is just Neo's lack of understanding of Paul's writings...and that makes me wonder about his trips to Israel...

This is the way that the non-religious denigrate God:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791680&postcount=172

Neo once implies that God is the reason for antrocities etc.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791738&postcount=177

Neo insist God to be a murderer, although it is shown that mankind were empowered to rule this earth. Limits have been set to this empowerment and misuse lead to private and overall punishment.

Ex. In modern day life if a group of people conspire to commit a crime, the group are punished, not the only the one that did the actual deed…
The same rule apply for empowerment… NEO and the remainder of the non-religious clan find this unacceptable…

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791745&postcount=178

Neo insist Hitler is a christian and that christians are responsible for the holocaust.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=793029&postcount=226

Continued insistence by NEO that God ok’d the raping and killing of people…
Proper study of the law show that the virgins could be kept for only one reason, work for the Israelites, not gang rape as promoted by Neo and his non-religious clan…

It also has been said mankind were empowered to rule earth, misuse of this rule obviously lead to either personal or overall punisment as in the promised land.

Any calls for rape and killing is misguided as mankind misused the freedom allowed to him.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=793046&postcount=228

Neo shows that he does not understand the preaching of Paul . You are justified by faith and the Law is our Tutor…
Without the Law how will we distinguish between right and wrong…
And then grace, forgiveness, forgive in the same way you are forgiven.

What is contradictory? Uphold the Law and Forgive. It is not for you to ensure others uphold the law, you should do it and forgive those who doesn’t.
So it is not for you to kill someone who commit adultery, or slash of someones hand…
You are expected to forgive because you were forgiven

[Neo]

This is the way that the non-religious denigrate God:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791680&postcount=172

Neo once implies that God is the reason for antrocities etc.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791738&postcount=177

Neo insist God to be a murderer, although it is shown that mankind were empowered to rule this earth. Limits have been set to this empowerment and misuse lead to private and overall punishment.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=791745&postcount=178

Neo insist Hitler is a christian and that christians are responsible for the holocaust.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=793029&postcount=226

Continued insistence by NEO that God ok’d the raping and killing of people…
Proper study of the law show that the virgins could be kept for only one reason, work for the Israelites, not gang rape as promoted by Neo and his non-religious clan…

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=793046&postcount=228

Neo shows that he does not understand the preaching of Paul . You are justified by faith and the Law is our Tutor…
Without the Law how will we distinguish between right and wrong…
And then grace, forgiveness, forgive in the same way you are forgiven.

What is contradictory? Uphold the Law and Forgive. It is not for you to ensure others uphold the law, you should do it and forgive those who doesn’t.
So it is not for you to kill someone who commit adultery, or slash of someones hand…
You are expected to forgive because you were forgiven

Thanks for all the links. They just prove all the points I've made, so I don't even need to respond to each point you're waffling on about. I stand by everyone of them. And they're all factual, however much you want to throw your toys.

Just answer the question: Where did Paul get the authority to overrule Jesus? Or can any 'preacher' decide Jesus did not know what he was talking about?

Oh yes, love your interpretation that the virgins were kept for work. Kill the abled bodies; men, women and boys but keep the virgins.....for work???

You're making a mockery of your knowledge of your own Bible....go read your 10 copies again and show me where I'm wrong.

[Mr TB]

Thanks for all the links. They just prove all the points I've made, so I don't even need to respond to each point you're waffling on about. I stand by everyone of them. And they're all factual, however much you want to throw your toys.

Just answer the question: Where did Paul get the authority to overrule Jesus? Or can any 'preacher' decide Jesus did not know what he was talking about?

Oh yes, love your interpretation that the virgins were kept for work. Kill the abled bodies; men, women and boys but keep the virgins.....for work???

You're making a mockery of your knowledge of your own Bible....go read your 10 copies again and show me where I'm wrong.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=793029&postcount=226

Continued insistence by NEO that God ok’d the raping and killing of people…
Proper study of the law show that the virgins could be kept for only one reason, work for the Israelites, not gang rape as promoted by Neo and his non-religious clan…

Marriage to a Captive Woman
DEUT 21v10-14
10 “Suppose you go out to war against your enemies and the Lord your God hands them over to you, and you take some of them as captives.
11 And suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you are attracted to her and want to marry her.
12 If this happens, you may take her to your home, where she must shave her head, cut her nails,
13 and change the clothes she was wearing when she was captured. She will stay in your home, but let her mourn for her father and mother for a full month. Then you may marry her, and you will be her husband and she will be your wife.
14 But if you marry her and she does not please you, you must let her go free. You may not sell her or treat her as a slave, for you have humiliated her.

I indeed appreciate that you not flinching from your viewpoints…

Included the verses in the bible concerning God’s viewpoint on captive woman. It exposes your knowledge of the bible or…

[Mr TB]

NEO'S REMARK CONCERNING DOUWDOUW

Originally Posted by douwdouw
if i have to agree that god hardened Pharaoh's heart , then i have to accept that every murder rape whatsoever was planned by god...


Originally Posted by douwdouw
Let us then accept your way of arguing here and say yes god indeed did.


Neo are a con-man,- “if I have to agree” has the same meaning as “I absolutely agree…”
And “let us then accept” has the same meaning as “I absolutely accept”

Douwdouw wonder if NEO be able to prove this as a fact in court?

Or will the court give DouwDouw the benefit of the doubt based on the fact to that DouwDouw was interested in seeing where the crooked argument of Neo will lead?

[ToxicBunny]

Mr TB : I would be very weary of bringing the court into a debate like this, because then you start having to deal with the concept of a "reasonable man" and well to put it bluntly... the court will find god Guilty of all the evil things in the bible.

[ghoti]

... and now you see why I put this in the Philosophical section. I knew this was going to happen :)

[Mr TB]

Mr TB : I would be very weary of bringing the court into a debate like this, because then you start having to deal with the concept of a "reasonable man" and well to put it bluntly... the court will find god Guilty of all the evil things in the bible.

Your remark is very interesting, it shows the court inability to be just, it is actually very biassed.
Your remark however is not relevant - it is about the expressions used by DouwDouw and whether a "reasonable man" will accept that NEO obviously perverted DouwDouw's expressions to suite his own ideas...

[ghoti]

MRTB,you are Douwdouw you snake

[Neo]

Don't you find this inability of dodo (and prom) to admit when they were wrong interesting? Instead of saying 'I've learned something new, thanks', they'll get deeper and deeper into the most ridiculous arguments. (remember prom's convoluted arguments and backflips when he first disagreed with Paul and then later tried to backtrack?)

dodo could easily have said "Never knew Pharaoh's free will was overruled" and left it at that. But instead of admitting to learning something new, they come up with these verbal gymnastics. Very sad.

I'm beginning to wonder about Mr. TB / dodo's mental stability. He insists to refer to himself in the third person, even after he admitted to being both Mr. TB and dodo. A God complex perhaps?

[ToxicBunny]

Oh so now you're calling our courts ability to be just into question? and you're calling them biased?

Mr TB, my remark is entirely relevant because you brought the issue of the court into it, and I pointed at that the chances of the court siding with the bible are incredibly slim to almost non-existant.

And no, from what I can see Neo did not pervert your expressions, you just can't accept that you had to admit something that you do not like.

[supersunbird]

If there is a "all powerful" being that could stop rape of a believing women and he allows it to happen, either he is not all powerful or he is a bad being...

[Tux]

I'm beginning to wonder about Mr. TB / dodo's mental stability. He insists to refer to himself in the third person, even after he admitted to being both Mr. TB and dodo. A God complex perhaps?

My guess is, the rest of his multiple personalities are so disgusted with dodo/mr TB that they're ashamed of being trapped in the same body with them and therefor refuses to acknowledge them as part of the dodo clan

[Mr TB]

Oh so now you're calling our courts ability to be just into question? and you're calling them biased?

Mr TB, my remark is entirely relevant because you brought the issue of the court into it, and I pointed at that the chances of the court siding with the bible are incredibly slim to almost non-existant.

And no, from what I can see Neo did not pervert your expressions, you just can't accept that you had to admit something that you do not like.

Where did DD admitted that he is Mr TB?...:D Show me the post where he actually did that... it will be very funny...:D

The evidence NEO is calling is straight from the bible...
So you then agree with me the courts are biassed as I stated?...:D
DD use a certain word in English which indicates he is not conceding that NEO is right..
DD will let NEO have the benefit of the doubt so that the debate can continue... if DD doesn't the debate can't continue...

Afterwards DD prove that NEO came to the wrong conclusion.
Giving a person the benefit of the doubt, OJ SIMPSON is a good example, is not conceding anything. Maybe you need to study your grammar again...

O yes NEO did not accept DD's explanation...

[ghoti]

Creationists are such liars. Mr TB is proof of that. Obviously lying for Jesus and Genesis is not a sin.

[Tux]

Where did DD admitted that he is Mr TB
You did. And no I'm not going to go through all your senile dyslexic posts again to point it out for you. Do it yourself

[Mr TB]

Mr TB : I would be very weary of bringing the court into a debate like this, because then you start having to deal with the concept of a "reasonable man" and well to put it bluntly... the court will find god Guilty of all the evil things in the bible.

Oh yes you are Guilty of all charges you are bringing against God...
Rape, Murder, Fornication, Adultery, Idolatory...etc...

[Mr TB]

You did. And no I'm not going to go through all your senile dyslexic posts again to point it out for you. Do it yourself

Didn't you and your non-religious friends called me a liar previously?..:D

[Tux]

Didn't you and your non-religious friends called me a liar previously?..:D

previously? I still call you that. liar being the least of it

[ToxicBunny]

How exactly do you come to the conclusion that I am guilty of all those charges?

I am not saying God is guilty of Fornication btw, since as far as I am concerned it is not a crime.

[Tux]

Didn't you and your non-religious friends called me a liar previously?..:D

And btw, you're assuming. Just because i'm a non-christian doesnt make me non-religious. In fact, I would go so far as to say that i'm more comfortable and relaxed with what I believe in than you'll ever be

[Mr TB]

And btw, you're assuming. Just because i'm a non-christian doesnt make me non-religious. In fact, I would go so far as to say that i'm more comfortable and relaxed with what I believe in than you'll ever be

Ok then let me rephrase "non-christian clan", or should I say those who involve themselves in idolatory?...:D

[Tux]

Ok then let me rephrase "non-christian clan", or should I say those who involve themselves in idolatory?...:D

Let me repeat what I posted in another thread to you as well Mr TB: Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Tux]

Ok then let me rephrase "non-christian clan", or should I say those who involve themselves in idolatory?...:D

Another assumption. Idolatry? As I said, I'm not christian....

[Mr TB]

Let me repeat what I posted in another thread to you as well Mr TB: Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Referring to the casting of stones by those who "think" they are justified:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=971182&postcount=196

[ToxicBunny]

What exactly does my post have to do with DEATH's statement?

Please clarify?

[Tux]

Mr TB, Did you just pick that post at random? Because I cant see how it connects to what DEATH said at all

[Pr⊕phet]

remember its called E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N ;)

[Mr TB]

What exactly does my post have to do with DEATH's statement?

Please clarify?

To put it bluntly you are casting stones ... or is my interpretation of the complex english language wrong...

Secondly you are trying to convince a "reasonable man" to take your side when you don't believe the person that you believe is guilty actually exist!?

In my opinion there is not a single "reasonable man" that will side with you...

[ToxicBunny]

I am not casting stones... I am pointing out that the bible will probably not stand up to well in a court of law.

I am not trying to convince anybody... there is a concept in the legal system called "a reasonable man". I am actually quite surprised u do not know of this concept considering how learned you pretend to be. It was taught to us in 1st year at University.

[Mr TB]

I am not casting stones... I am pointing out that the bible will probably not stand up to well in a court of law.

I am not trying to convince anybody... there is a concept in the legal system called "a reasonable man". I am actually quite surprised u do not know of this concept considering how learned you pretend to be. It was taught to us in 1st year at University.I am not learned, neither am I pretending to be learned. I have limited experience in ,Commercial and Corporate Law, Auditing, Management, Economics, Physics, Linear algebra, Statistics and of course maths....

The trade I find myself in is accountancy... The one thing a reasonable can not comprehend or take into account, how did a person's behavior influence the remainder of the universe...and the future...

God however being the most just of all take everything into account before a judgement is reached. A normal "reasonable man's" decision is always biassed.

This I know is too much for you too suck but it is the truth...

Christians are not upholding the Law scream those like NEO... ok it is not wrong to follow the laws given by God that is JUSTICE....but then christians are merciless that is the next charge from people like NEO.

God however does not leave it there, He challenge Christians to forgive, go one step higher than JUSTICE, forgive that is GRACE, which people like NEO find also unacceptable...

Yes mate a christian have the right to uphold the law as set out by God because that is JUSTICE or he can lift himself above JUSTICE and forgive that is GRACE...

[ToxicBunny]

This is a general precept in LAW in general Mr TB... and as an accountant I should hope you know it, as you went to University, and would have been required to do 1st year law....

No, a christian does not have the right to uphold the law as set out by "god" if that law violates the prevailing law of the country that he is currently residing in. That unfortunately is something you just have to accept, deal with and live with.

[Mr TB]

This is a general precept in LAW in general Mr TB... and as an accountant I should hope you know it, as you went to University, and would have been required to do 1st year law....

No, a christian does not have the right to uphold the law as set out by "god" if that law violates the prevailing law of the country that he is currently residing in. That unfortunately is something you just have to accept, deal with and live with.

But they can indeed uphold the part that is above the Law or Justice, that is forgiveness . GRACE is higher than JUSTICE... please read everything I type...

[ToxicBunny]

No, you don't get to change your argument... you said a christian has the right to uphold the law as set out by god, and I told you he doesn't... you lost that one, deal with it.

and no, unfortunately in this day and age, grace isn't really higher than justice, yes I know you won't like me saying that, but its the truth of the world we live in now. If you forgive everyone, very soon people will just abuse that...

But still, that hasn't answered or dealt with the concept being discussed of the "reasonable man". Are you honestly telling me, that as a qualified accountant, you have never come across it before? and do you really think the given its application to the bible, that God would not be found guilty of massive attrocities against innocent people?

[dotVIBE]

The trade I find myself in is accountancy...

wasn't the extinct bird an accountant too?

[ToxicBunny]

dotVIBE : the extinct bird and Mr TB are one and the same person...

[dotVIBE]

aah. you confirm what i've suspected. Is he still protesting the truth of this?

[ToxicBunny]

I think he admitted it somewhere before, but now protests it somewhat...

[ghoti]

Dodo and Mr TB might not be the same person. I mean MYAdsl could be unlucky enough to have two 7th day adventists creationists that make the exact same spelling mistakes, that both rant in the same incomprehensible manner, that both had the same freaky signature, that both suffer from the same mental disorder. I mean.. it could happen.

[Mr TB]

I think he admitted it somewhere before, but now protests it somewhat...

I'm busy with the costing of an import project...so do you need to be an accountant if your trade is accountancy...

At a point in time that was indeed the case but they are also beanheads internal auditors, project managers due to their variety of skills...:D

[ToxicBunny]

No, if your "trade" is accountancy, then you are an accountant.

If you are an internal auditor, you are an internal auditor...
If you are a project manager, you are a project manager...

We don't live in your simplified world Mr TB, we live in the real world which is much larger and more complicated than you seem capable of comprehending.

[Mr TB]

Dodo and Mr TB might not be the same person. I mean MYAdsl could be unlucky enough to have two 7th day adventists creationists that make the exact same spelling mistakes, that both rant in the same incomprehensible manner, that both had the same freaky signature, that both suffer from the same mental disorder. I mean.. it could happen.


Maybe the bird is a 7th day adventist and a creationist.

Mr TB is not a creationist.
Mr TB is not a 7th day adventist.

Your destiny is not determined around your believes concerning the creation account but definitely on your believes concerning the cross and if they are sound... Obviously if this believes are sound the remainder of the bible falls into place...

[Mr TB]

No, if your "trade" is accountancy, then you are an accountant.

If you are an internal auditor, you are an internal auditor...
If you are a project manager, you are a project manager...

We don't live in your simplified world Mr TB, we live in the real world which is much larger and more complicated than you seem capable of comprehending.

So the if your trade is internally....
If your trade is projection...
If your trade is costing....
If your trade is managing... you are a manager but not project manager, or a managing director...:D

[Mr TB]

aah. you confirm what i've suspected. Is he still protesting the truth of this?

The bird has a twin brother...

[Claymore]

I am not learned, neither am I pretending to be learned. I have limited experience in ,Commercial and Corporate Law, Auditing, Management, Economics, Physics, Linear algebra, Statistics and of course maths....

You also seem to have limited experience in English, debating, logic, biology, and several other subjects.

[Neo]

Mr TB is not a creationist.

:eek:
You don't believe God created the universe and everything in it? Always thought you did, but thanks for clearing it up. We already know you don't believe in evolution.

So basically you don't exist.

PS. Remember the PM you sent me admitting you and dodo are the same person?

[Pr⊕phet]

MR TB. what Sect of Christianity are you ? (...since we already have a fanatic amongst us)

[Debbie]

PS. Remember the PM you sent me admitting you and dodo are the same person?

:D (gmao- giggling my @ss off)

[ghoti]

PS. Remember the PM you sent me admitting you and dodo are the same person?

:D

[Mr TB]

You also seem to have limited experience in English, debating, logic, biology, and several other subjects.

Did you only realise that now? or is your trade being denigrating?
Apparently it is a serious shortcoming in ones own make-up if you need to point out someone else's weakness to make yourselve look good...

[Mr TB]

:D

Did DouwDouw sent a PM to NEO?

Anycase what does PM stand for?... You have been exposed for what you really are , certainly not trustworthy...

Do you accept one person's word with confirmation with the other? You will accept any evidence, how weak to try and support your case that is the meaning of it...you pride yourself on investigation but you don't...:D

[Tux]

Did DouwDouw sent a PM to NEO?

Anycase what does PM stand for?... You have been exposed for what you really are , certainly not trustworthy...

Do you accept one person's word with confirmation with the other? You will accept any evidence, how weak to try and support your case that is the meaning of it...you pride yourself on investigation but you don't...:D

Stop hamming it up will you? The only person believing your little charade is you. Nobody else.

[ghoti]

Did DouwDouw sent a PM to NEO?

Anycase what does PM stand for?... You have been exposed for what you really are , certainly not trustworthy...

Do you accept one person's word with confirmation with the other? You will accept any evidence, how weak to try and support your case that is the meaning of it...you pride yourself on investigation but you don't...:D

I dont trust a single world the comes out of your mouth. You are an admitted liar. Satan must be jealous with all the competition.

[Mr TB]

I dont trust a single world the comes out of your mouth. You are an admitted liar. Satan must be jealous with all the competition.

Don't lie, you and the remainder of the non-christian clan are always fuming about evidence and prove... not me...

Why are you calling on satan I am quite sure you believe he is non-existent...
So what are you doing now... telling fables to guys like BUNNY and NEO?

[ToxicBunny]

Oh I know Satan exists.... I signed a pact with him a while ago..

Or don't you remember me telling you Mr TB?

[Mr TB]

IN RESPONSE TO WIZARD:

"You are an admitted liar"
This does not seem to be an allegation but stated as a fact will you please provide the posts?

If you can not provide such post I will report this post as bad to the moderators, I never did it before but this time I will...

[Mr TB]

Oh I know Satan exists.... I signed a pact with him a while ago..

Or don't you remember me telling you Mr TB?

Nope..but I think you had something else to say about yourself in a previous post... Still think you were entitled to benefits when he knew what you were going to do?

[ToxicBunny]

I think there is only one thing I can say in response to that....

Huh?

[Mr TB]

Stop hamming it up will you? The only person believing your little charade is you. Nobody else.

Ensuring that all other forumites who in future PM Wizard know it is not private?....:D

[Mr TB]

I think there is only one thing I can say in response to that....

Huh?

Not serious may have confused you with another forumite...

Oh yes a pact satan last only for one generation, it must be renewed with the new generation (the new generation don't have to be aware of it)

A pact with God last for 1000 generations...

Initiation.. that is the way satan renew his pact with our fellow countryman...