Gay Marriage in Church

[Neo]

How on earth do you figure that?

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. When a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate....."

With apologies to Phyton.

So a sperm up the wrong orifice is a waste and God condemns it. Funny thing is dodo does not have kids. So how many little dodo's have been killed, shot off as blanks? Must be billions. But as a Darwin award nominee, we hope it stays so. Dodo really deserves the award and stand for exactly what it tries to honour.

[Tux]

It seems the cat got his tongue all of a sudden. Or he's busy watching lesbian pr0n to make sure it's not sinful

[Claymore]

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. When a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate....."

With apologies to Phyton.

So a sperm up the wrong orifice is a waste and God condemns it. Funny thing is dodo does not have kids. So how many little dodo's have been killed, shot off as blanks? Must be billions. But as a Darwin award nominee, we hope it stays so. Dodo really deserves the award and stand for exactly what it tries to honour.

What about women then? They waste too, every single month.

[Mr TB]

What about women then? They waste too, every single month.

Disposing of it in a natural way...
But the life-giver can't contain his own selfish lust, must dispose of his seed but in a natural way... have you ever had a "wet " dream, yeah kind of embarassing but that is the natural way disposing of seed...

[Mr TB]

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. When a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate....."

With apologies to Phyton.

So a sperm up the wrong orifice is a waste and God condemns it. Funny thing is dodo does not have kids. So how many little dodo's have been killed, shot off as blanks? Must be billions. But as a Darwin award nominee, we hope it stays so. Dodo really deserves the award and stand for exactly what it tries to honour.

At least not spilled in another guy's brown eye...

[DWPTA]

Disposing of it in a natural way...
But the life-giver can't contain his own selfish lust, must dispose of his seed but in a natural way... have you ever had a "wet " dream, yeah kind of embarassing but that is the natural way disposing of seed...


So is masturbation natural then as well?

[Mr TB]

So is masturbation natural then as well?

Your body has a natural way of getting rid of seed, embarassing though.
Masturbation starts from a point of lust, giving in to selfish sexual desires.
The answer in MY VIEW,(please do not ascribe it to any other christian) is then it is not natural...

[Nick333]

:D :D :D

So if you're a dodo you can't use contraceptives either cos that would be a genocide of pp's( potential people) every time you bust a nut.

A fertile breeding pair of dodos could maybe have sex a couple of dozen times in there life before they have to eat the kids or starve.

And they can't even have a w@nk?

The sexual frustration must be enormous. No wonder dodos are such hate filled, bigoted nut cases.

Oh and I hope dodos dream of their spouses when they have wet dreams. Or do you think dreaming of sodomizing Angelina Jolie or (more likely for a closet case like a dodo) Brad Pitt is natural?

[Mr TB]

:D :D :D

So if you're a dodo you can't use contraceptives either cos that would be a genocide of pp's( potential people) every time you bust a nut.

A fertile breeding pair of dodos could maybe have sex a couple of dozen times in there life before they have to eat the kids or starve.

And they can't even have a w@nk?

The sexual frustration must be enormous. No wonder dodos are such hate filled, bigoted nut cases.

Oh and I hope dodos dream of their spouses when they have wet dreams. Or do you think dreaming of sodomizing Angelina Jolie or (more likely for a closet case like a dodo) Brad Pitt is natural?

It is very sad that stupidity is not painful, don't you agree?
It would have done you the world of good, would it not?.....:D

[Neo]

Your body has a natural way of getting rid of seed, embarassing though.
Masturbation starts from a point of lust, giving in to selfish sexual desires.
The answer in MY VIEW,(please do not ascribe it to any other christian) is then it is not natural...

So how do you handle the guilt, every time you do the 5-finger shuffle?

Or do you pull a Teddy and preach to others that it's wrong and not natural, hoping they never realise you, yourself is at it every day?

Most primates, male and female are very active self-pleasers. Was quite surprised to see how ingenious female chimps get in utilising 'special tools'.

[Nick333]

Hell maybe I am stupid but its really starting to make a lot of sense this dodo bird thing.

A boy dodo bird who couldn't get it up for girl dodo birds would be stupid not to cling to stupid ideas about wasting pp's because it would give him the perfect excuse for not wanting to have sex with his wife. And then when he had a wet dream every other night he could call it Gods "natural" way of destroying excess pp's and pretend to be a bit embarressed when in actual fact he was seething with guilt.

Of course the boy dodo would be so wracked with self loathing that he would need an outlet and what better outlet than condemning homosexuality every chance he got. That way he would be able to vent his anger and frustration with himself at others and be seen as someone who couldn't possibly be a queer because everyone knows how much he despises fagots. He would of course feel the need to defend other gay dodos who were in the exact same predicament as him when they are forced out the closet by rent boys, like the gay pastor dodo Teddy Bear Haggard.


Hmmm...naw sorry thats just stupid.

But you know, I would be proud to shake the hand of any dodo that could admit all that to himself and extract himself from that cycle of lies, guilt and hatred.

[Mr TB]

So how do you handle the guilt, every time you do the 5-finger shuffle?

Or do you pull a Teddy and preach to others that it's wrong and not natural, hoping they never realise you, yourself is at it every day?

Most primates, male and female are very active self-pleasers. Was quite surprised to see how ingenious female chimps get in utilising 'special tools'.

Skeptical chauvinism is clear when comparing OT law code and other ANE law code something you will not admit... why do you want me to give you answers to your problems?

[ToxicBunny]

*blinks*

Mr TB? WTF are u smoking?... What does that lil post of yours attempt to say in relation to Neo's post?

[Mr TB]

Hell maybe I am stupid but its really starting to make a lot of sense this dodo bird thing.

A boy dodo bird who couldn't get it up for girl dodo birds would be stupid not to cling to stupid ideas about wasting pp's because it would give him the perfect excuse for not wanting to have sex with his wife. And then when he had a wet dream every other night he could call it Gods "natural" way of destroying excess pp's and pretend to be a bit embarressed when in actual fact he was seething with guilt.

Of course the boy dodo would be so wracked with self loathing that he would need an outlet and what better outlet than condemning homosexuality every chance he got. That way he would be able to vent his anger and frustration with himself at others and be seen as someone who couldn't possibly be a queer because everyone knows how much he despises fagots. He would of course feel the need to defend other gay dodos who were in the exact same predicament as him when they are forced out the closet by rent boys, like the gay pastor dodo Teddy Bear Haggard.


Hmmm...naw sorry thats just stupid.

But you know, I would be proud to shake the hand of any dodo that could admit all that to himself and extract himself from that cycle of lies, guilt and hatred.

Do you really believe I am in a cycle of lies ,guilt and hatred?
Check your reaction concerning Ted Haggard....equal to hypocracy and hatred?
Don't grab for excuses, what are you different than him... he might be a homo but otherwise your have his character.... shame on you...

[Neo]

*blinks*

Mr TB? WTF are u smoking?... What does that lil post of yours attempt to say in relation to Neo's post?

Obviously hit a very sensitive nerve there.....:rolleyes:

Maybe Nick is onto something....;)

[ToxicBunny]

I have no real problem with that creature when its posts are gibberish but kinda related... its when he just posts random shyte that I get irritated.....

Yeah, i think Nick did.... :)

[Nick333]

Do you really believe I am in a cycle of lies ,guilt and hatred?
Check your reaction concerning Ted Haggard....equal to hypocracy and hatred?
Don't grab for excuses, what are you different than him... he might be a homo but otherwise your have his character.... shame on you...

Um I was talking about dodo so I don't know why you're getting defensive, but while we're at it let me answer your question.

Lies - Yup. You lie almost constantly. Mainly to yourself which is why I think you don't even realize how much you lie to everyone else.

Hatred - Yes as much as you dress it up as compassion, you choose to interpret the bible in ways that support your bigotry and intolerance.

Guilt - Well I'm just guessing on this one because I don't believe that you are really a sociopath. I hope for your sake that you do have a conscience.

Dude what excuses? I'm not judging Ted Haggard. He likes dudes. I don't have a problem with that. He has a drug problem. I'm sympathetic. He's responsible for stirring up intolerance towards gays and a drug users. Hes a fccking hypocrite. By the very definition of the word.

I wish him peace and happiness but he will find neither if hes back in a year or two preaching the same hatred and denying his own nature, 'cos even if he never sucks another fat one again he'll be gagging for it till the day he dies.

[Neo]

Um I was talking about dodo so I don't know why you're getting defensive, but while we're at it let me answer your question.

Lies - Yup. You lie almost constantly. Mainly to yourself which is why I think you don't even realize how much you lie to everyone else.

Hatred - Yes as much as you dress it up as compassion, you choose to interpret the bible in ways that support your bigotry and intolerance.

Guilt - Well I'm just guessing on this one because I don't believe that you are really a sociopath. I hope for your sake that you do have a conscience.

Dude what excuses? I'm not judging Ted Haggard. He likes dudes. I don't have a problem with that. He has a drug problem. I'm sympathetic. He's responsible for stirring up intolerance towards gays and a drug users. Hes a fccking hypocrite. By the very definition of the word.

I wish him peace and happiness but he will find neither if hes back in a year or two preaching the same hatred and denying his own nature, 'cos even if he never sucks another fat one again he'll be gagging for it till the day he dies.

Sure I saw somewhere (on Leno maybe) that a few guys got together and prayed with ol Teddy and he now is 'cured'.

[Mr TB]

Sure I saw somewhere (on Leno maybe) that a few guys got together and prayed with ol Teddy and he now is 'cured'.

Cured of what?

[Mr TB]

Um I was talking about dodo so I don't know why you're getting defensive, but while we're at it let me answer your question.

Lies - Yup. You lie almost constantly. Mainly to yourself which is why I think you don't even realize how much you lie to everyone else.

Hatred - Yes as much as you dress it up as compassion, you choose to interpret the bible in ways that support your bigotry and intolerance.

Guilt - Well I'm just guessing on this one because I don't believe that you are really a sociopath. I hope for your sake that you do have a conscience.

Dude what excuses? I'm not judging Ted Haggard. He likes dudes. I don't have a problem with that. He has a drug problem. I'm sympathetic. He's responsible for stirring up intolerance towards gays and a drug users. Hes a fccking hypocrite. By the very definition of the word.

I wish him peace and happiness but he will find neither if hes back in a year or two preaching the same hatred and denying his own nature, 'cos even if he never sucks another fat one again he'll be gagging for it till the day he dies.

Um I was talking about dodo so I don't know why you're getting defensive,
but while we're at it let me answer your question.
You will notice Mr TB admitted to be DouwDouw and explained the new handle,

to the disgust of most of the forumites, they are most unforgiving.
They claim they are not, but a lot of hypocrites by the very definition of

the word, you know.


Lies - Yup. You lie almost constantly. Mainly to yourself which is why I
think you don't even realize how much you lie to everyone else.

When you make allegations, you are obliged to deliver the "factual proof" or

admit your allegation is false... even if you know you are in the right.
That is how a disciplinary case works... the law...
Provide "factual proof" that at least 700 of Mr TB's posts are lies, that

should qualify as lying almost constantly... or withdraw your statement.



Hatred - Yes as much as you dress it up as compassion, you choose to
interpret the bible in ways that support your bigotry and intolerance.
No comparison with the paragraphs you wrote on Ted... You hate him don't you?

Guilt - Well I'm just guessing on this one because I don't believe that
you are really a sociopath. I hope for your sake that you do have a
conscience.
Don't guess... it destroys integrity... rather look at facts... that is the

one of the reasons I do not accept evolution... too much guessing...

Dude what excuses? I'm not judging Ted Haggard.

The paragraghs written on him by you reveals either judgement or the

forumites incorrectly claim I am judging others...

He likes dudes. I don't have a problem with that. He has a drug problem. I'm

sympathetic.
Really? "Hes a fccking hypocrite. By the very definition of the word."
You lied without realising it...

He's responsible for stirring up intolerance towards gays and a drug users.

Hes a fccking hypocrite. By the very definition of the word.
Can you provide "factual proof" of your allegations concerning intolerance?

I wish him peace and happiness but he will find neither if hes back in a
year or two preaching the same hatred and denying his own nature, 'cos
even if he never sucks another fat one again he'll be gagging for it till
the day he dies.
Your but statement shows that your wish is a lie...
You don't have to deny your true nature... you are homosexual...
Your burden ... your sacrifice in life... abstain...

[Neo]

Cured of what?

Homosexuality and drug abuse. Teddy said he's all cured now. Time to get back to fleecing the flock again, all those dollars need a new home.

It would be way too much to hope he was cured of fundamentalist religion. He's too far gone, poor chap. :rolleyes:

The guys who 'cured' him should set up an institute. Where others take years, if ever, to cure someone from drug addiction and never from 'homosexuality', this bunch get results in a few days. Hallelujah......

[Mr TB]

Homosexuality and drug abuse. Teddy said he's all cured now. Time to get back to fleecing the flock again, all those dollars need a new home.

It would be way too much to hope he was cured of fundamentalist religion. He's too far gone, poor chap. :rolleyes:

The guys who 'cured' him should set up an institute. Where others take years, if ever, to cure someone from drug addiction and never from 'homosexuality', this bunch get results in a few days. Hallelujah......

Is he cured or did someone just pull the wool over your eyes...

[Neo]

Is he cured or did someone just pull the wool over your eyes...

I've got no idea. He could be but my personal opinion is he is lying.

But he claims God cured him, so who am I to argue.

What do you think? Is he cured or not?

[Mr TB]

DRUG ABUSE

"Cold Turkey" that's what they call it you put a drug down... and just don't use it again correct?
The one you get addicted to quickest is pythadene apparently but the killer the worst one to break with is nicotene...
Once you addicted to anything you are addicted for life, you are stuck. Ex. Did you quit smoking 20 yrs ago? Take a puff and you are hooked again.

Once an addict always an addict...

[Mr TB]

I've got no idea. He could be but my personal opinion is he is lying.

But he claims God cured him, so who am I to argue.

What do you think? Is he cured or not?

"The guys who 'cured' him ..."

This is a statement that you believe he is "cured", is it not?

[Mr TB]

IN RESPONSE TO NEO:

"...this bunch get results in a few days. Hallelujah......"

If you do not believe he is "cured", why sing people's praises?

[ToxicBunny]

Ke?...

do you notice the quotation marks around the word "cured"?... That indicates Neo thinks its not true... ergo, he doesn't believe he is cured.

Maybe we should start using esoteric english grammar to confuse Mr TB even more Neo? What you think?

[PostmanPot]

"This is a statement that you believe he is "cured", is it not?"

Lol. Dodo :D

[Mr TB]

Ke?...

do you notice the quotation marks around the word "cured"?... That indicates Neo thinks its not true... ergo, he doesn't believe he is cured.

Maybe we should start using esoteric english grammar to confuse Mr TB even more Neo? What you think?

Did you notice that I used "cured" the same way...:D

[ToxicBunny]

So you also don't believe he is cured then? You think he is a lying snake?

[Tux]

The only thing I believe in right now is dodo's ability to pull a load of bull out of his arse and then try to sell it as gold

[Neo]

Ke?...

do you notice the quotation marks around the word "cured"?... That indicates Neo thinks its not true... ergo, he doesn't believe he is cured.

Maybe we should start using esoteric english grammar to confuse Mr TB even more Neo? What you think?

Esoteric english grammer? But dodo is the master! ;)

[Neo]

IN RESPONSE TO NEO:

"...this bunch get results in a few days. Hallelujah......"

If you do not believe he is "cured", why sing people's praises?

Whoosh.....

[Tux]

exactly... Whoosh...

[ToxicBunny]

Totally...

and with add effect... Fully! as well.... (he might get that)

[Mr TB]

Totally...

and with add effect... Fully! as well.... (he might get that)

And trolling again... like usual... completely of the topic of this thread...

[Jacquesl]

Let gay’s be gay’s at least they’re ****ing happy, and I don’t belief in GOD, it makes me insane to think that GOD actually exist, but I might be already insane. And also so GOD may exist, who knows?? In mother earth nothing expands on it’s own and we know the size of a object in space we know ****, and space is expanding, wooow, so then god must exist because our minds can’t take that info, to us everything is 3D but to the universe it’s maybe not, ****, I’m lost, so man kind will belief in god until the universe is mapped and people can know the universe by finger tips, guaranteed :confused:

[Pr⊕phet]

****

[Mr TB]

****

I read this:

QUOTE:
2TIM2v24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people.
2TIM2v25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth.
2TIM2v26 Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.

After reading this, yes evil I act in many of my posts I repent towards God and those hurt by such posts. I regret it now but forgive me. I thank God that He has already forgiven me. ... Amen...

[ToxicBunny]

Ahhh there we go, the great religious copout.. I have done wrong and God has forgiven me... I am in the clear again... until next time..

I wonder how religious people would act if God only handed out a limited number of forgiveness cards?

[Pr⊕phet]

TB i remember something of the bible mentioning that only 14400 can make it into heaven...

update.

... its 14400 people getting raptured.

[Mr TB]

TB i remember something of the bible mentioning that only 14400 can make it into heaven...

update.

... its 14400 people getting raptured.




As I was surfing I picked up this quote from an article in which same-sex marriages are discussed:

QUOTE
"Marriage begins a family.-Families are the building blocks of cultures. Families--and therefore marriages--are logically prior to culture. If the definition of marriage is established by nature, then we have no liberty to redefine it. In fact, marriage itself wouldn't change at all even if we did. Philosopher Francis Beckwith has wryly observed, "Just because you can eat an ashtray doesn't make it food." Linguistic tricks can't change what nature has already determined something to be. Neither ashtrays nor same-sex marriage provide the nourishment intended by food or families, respectively."

[Lycanthrope]

As I was surfing I picked up this quote from an article in which same-sex marriages are discussed:

QUOTE
"Marriage begins a family.-Families are the building blocks of cultures. Families--and therefore marriages--are logically prior to culture. If the definition of marriage is established by nature, then we have no liberty to redefine it. In fact, marriage itself wouldn't change at all even if we did. Philosopher Francis Beckwith has wryly observed, "Just because you can eat an ashtray doesn't make it food." Linguistic tricks can't change what nature has already determined something to be. Neither ashtrays nor same-sex marriage provide the nourishment intended by food or families, respectively."

Nourishment, huh? If only marriage was food. I'm guessing that straight couples that can't have children lack that "nourishment" in their relationship too? I mean, that IS what a "family" is in your opinion, right? When a couple has kids?

And then I'm sure you'll say "But they can adopt" in which case I say, so can gay people.

Null and Void.

[Mr TB]

Nourishment, huh? If only marriage was food. I'm guessing that straight couples that can't have children lack that "nourishment" in their relationship too? I mean, that IS what a "family" is in your opinion, right? When a couple has kids?

And then I'm sure you'll say "But they can adopt" in which case I say, so can gay people.

Null and Void.

Good to notice you are still around after NEO set us up against each other the previous time. Just be so kind to take note that I do not judge a person or condemn people but acts like theft, murder, fornication, homosexuality etc.

[Lycanthrope]

Good to notice you are still around after NEO set us up against each other the previous time. Just be so kind to take note that I do not judge a person or condemn people but acts like theft, murder, fornication, homosexuality etc.

I'm never far. It just takes a great mass of stupidity to bring me out.

I still find it funny that you can compare homosexuality to theft and murder. However, I'm not up for this debate - I have better things to spend my time on, such as watching linoleum curl.

I'll be sure to reserve a spot in Hell for you.

[Nick333]

As I was surfing I picked up this quote from an article in which same-sex marriages are discussed:

QUOTE
"Marriage begins a family.-Families are the building blocks of cultures. Families--and therefore marriages--are logically prior to culture. If the definition of marriage is established by nature, then we have no liberty to redefine it. In fact, marriage itself wouldn't change at all even if we did. Philosopher Francis Beckwith has wryly observed, "Just because you can eat an ashtray doesn't make it food." Linguistic tricks can't change what nature has already determined something to be. Neither ashtrays nor same-sex marriage provide the nourishment intended by food or families, respectively."

That family is the corner stone of culture may well be true, but what sort of family is that pray tell? From an anthropological point of view I think its probable that the most natural family structure would be that of polygamy. Amongst other species, a male/female pair mating for life is fairly rare. Human males are certainly programmed by nature to impregnate as many females as possible. So if you want to talk about marriage as defined by nature you'd probably better get yourself a couple more wives and start having some kids. Make that a ****load of kids 'cos thats what nature intended you to do.

Otherwise stick to your own rather unnatural definition of marriage and stop trying to dictate how others should structure their family units.

[Mr TB]

I'm never far. It just takes a great mass of stupidity to bring me out.

I still find it funny that you can compare homosexuality to theft and murder. However, I'm not up for this debate - I have better things to spend my time on, such as watching linoleum curl.

I'll be sure to reserve a spot in Hell for you.



"I'll be sure to reserve... "

Pompous arrogance... when the archangel Michael struggled with the devil over the body Moses he rebuked the devil in the Name of Jesus, but you are arrogant enough to reserve places in hell for people.

The selfish wicked nature of a person is revealed in situations like these...

[cyghost]

There is no hell... gettit? He was being facetious.

Mr TB you sure are an interesting chap. :D

[Lycanthrope]

"I'll be sure to reserve... "

Pompous arrogance... when the archangel Michael struggled with the devil over the body Moses he rebuked the devil in the Name of Jesus, but you are arrogant enough to reserve places in hell for people.

The selfish wicked nature of a person is revealed in situations like these...

Well let me teach you something, I am arrogant when it comes to people with the mentality of a gnat. And even more arrogant when it comes to people with the spiritual... "enlightenment" of flypaper.

Am I wicked? lol. Well, last time I heard you fundamentalists believe that "evil people" fear the name of Jesus, and I'm arrogant enough to not fear it. For two reasons:
1 - I am not evil, nor is my body, my mind, or my soul.
2 - I'm not Christian, so that level of mentality has no effect on me.

So, for the sake of proving my arrogance, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus... Hmm... I'm not on fire... My hands aren't burning, I don't feel any diffe--- oh, wait, what's this I feel? Oh no... No!!!! It's... it's... satisfaction. Ah, yes, the glory of proving the wonderous lack of power that your beliefs have on me.

So please, get over yourself.

P.S. Bring marshmallows.

[Lycanthrope]

There is no hell... gettit? He was being facetious.

Mr TB you sure are an interesting chap. :D

lol ;) You made my day :) I'm glad to know someone understands what I'm saying :P

[Pr⊕phet]

digging up the fossil post......

[Mr TB]

Marriage Laws. Their marriage code, however, is strict, and indeed no part of their manners is more praiseworthy. Almost alone among barbarians they are content with one wife, except a very few among them, and these not from sensuality, but because their noble birth procures for them many offers of alliance. The wife does not bring a dower to the husband, but the husband to the wife. The parents and relatives are present, and pass judgment on the marriage-gifts, gifts not meant to suit a woman's taste, nor such as a bride would deck herself with, but oxen, a caparisoned steed, a shield, a lance, and a sword. With these presents the wife is espoused, and she herself in her turn brings her husband a gift of arms. This they count their strongest bond of union, these their sacred mysteries, these their gods of marriage. Lest the woman should think herself to stand apart from aspirations after noble deeds and from the perils of war, she is reminded by the ceremony which inaugurates marriage that she is her husband's partner in toil and danger, destined to suffer and to dare with him alike both in in war. The yoked oxen, the harnessed steed, the gift of arms proclaim this fact. She must live and die with the feeling that she is receiving what she must hand down to her children neither tarnished nor depreciated, what future daughters-in-law may receive, and may be so passed on to her grandchildren.

Thus with their virtue protected they live uncorrupted by the allurements of public shows or the stimulant of feastings. Clandestine correspondence is equally unknown to men and women. Very rare for so numerous a population is adultery, the punishment for which is prompt, and in the husband's power. Having cut off the hair of the adulteress and stripped her naked, he expels her from the house in the presence of her kinsfolk, and then flogs her through the whole village. The loss of chastity meets with no indulgence; neither beauty, youth, nor wealth will procure the culprit a husband. No one in Germany laughs at vice, nor do they call it the fashion to corrupt and to be corrupted. Still better is the condition of those states in which only maidens are given in marriage, and where the hopes and expectations of a bride are then finally terminated. They receive one husband, as having one body and one life, that they may have no thoughts beyond, no further-reaching desires, that they may love not so much the husband as the married state. To limit the number of children or to destroy any of their subsequent offspring is accounted infamous, and good habits are here more effectual than good laws elsewhere.

We call ourselves enligtned, moral, well,well,well... shame on us !

[Tux]

yeah, shame on you...

[Mr TB]

yeah, shame on you...
Are you one of the perfect on's M8?

[cyghost]

Having cut off the hair of the adulteress and stripped her naked, he expels her from the house in the presence of her kinsfolk, and then flogs her through the whole village. The loss of chastity meets with no indulgence; neither beauty, youth, nor wealth will procure the culprit a husband.

wtf? You still live in the 1600's mate. This is 2007. Thank goodness you'll be arrested and sent to jail if you tried **** like this today.

Would you mind giving a link to your source? I want to laugh some more. 'Tis Friday after all...

[Mr TB]

"Having cut off the hair of the adulteress and stripped her naked, he expels her from the house in the presence of her kinsfolk, and then flogs her through the whole village. The loss of chastity meets with no indulgence; neither beauty, youth, nor wealth will procure the culprit a husband."

The objector to the passage only refers to one part, the penalty received by the adulteress.
Behind the penalty he tries to hide the immoral lifestyle lived by many today.

He must go and read TACITUS to understand what Marriage Law is about.
Immoral acts were not tolerated not even between the barbarians who I believe did not know much of Jesus at that time...

[cyghost]

The objector to the passage (me) says there is no way that two wrongs make a right or that the immoral beating and humiliation of a person is justified for this particular immoral act ... kinda like throwing everyone who don't accept Jesus into an everlasting fire pit

its just wrong, nay, its evil.

EDIT: and **** Tacitus and the horse he rode into town on

[Nick333]

Marriage Laws. Their marriage code, however, is strict, and indeed no part of their manners is more praiseworthy. Almost alone among barbarians they are content with one wife, except a very few among them, and these not from sensuality, but because their noble birth procures for them many offers of alliance. The wife does not bring a dower to the husband, but the husband to the wife. The parents and relatives are present, and pass judgment on the marriage-gifts, gifts not meant to suit a woman's taste, nor such as a bride would deck herself with, but oxen, a caparisoned steed, a shield, a lance, and a sword. With these presents the wife is espoused, and she herself in her turn brings her husband a gift of arms. This they count their strongest bond of union, these their sacred mysteries, these their gods of marriage. Lest the woman should think herself to stand apart from aspirations after noble deeds and from the perils of war, she is reminded by the ceremony which inaugurates marriage that she is her husband's partner in toil and danger, destined to suffer and to dare with him alike both in in war. The yoked oxen, the harnessed steed, the gift of arms proclaim this fact. She must live and die with the feeling that she is receiving what she must hand down to her children neither tarnished nor depreciated, what future daughters-in-law may receive, and may be so passed on to her grandchildren.

Thus with their virtue protected they live uncorrupted by the allurements of public shows or the stimulant of feastings. Clandestine correspondence is equally unknown to men and women. Very rare for so numerous a population is adultery, the punishment for which is prompt, and in the husband's power. Having cut off the hair of the adulteress and stripped her naked, he expels her from the house in the presence of her kinsfolk, and then flogs her through the whole village. The loss of chastity meets with no indulgence; neither beauty, youth, nor wealth will procure the culprit a husband. No one in Germany laughs at vice, nor do they call it the fashion to corrupt and to be corrupted. Still better is the condition of those states in which only maidens are given in marriage, and where the hopes and expectations of a bride are then finally terminated. They receive one husband, as having one body and one life, that they may have no thoughts beyond, no further-reaching desires, that they may love not so much the husband as the married state. To limit the number of children or to destroy any of their subsequent offspring is accounted infamous, and good habits are here more effectual than good laws elsewhere.

We call ourselves enligtned, moral, well,well,well... shame on us !


Brilliant, now you're presenting nature worshiping pagans as paragons of Christian virtue.

Do you realize how long it took for Christianity to take hold in Germania?

For those of you who are interested Dodo is quoting from Tacitus: Germania which can be read in full here:Germania (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html)

[Mr TB]

Brilliant, now you're presenting nature worshiping pagans as paragons of Christian virtue.

Do you realize how long it took for Christianity to take hold in Germania?

For those of you who are interested Dodo is quoting from Tacitus: Germania which can be read in full here:Germania (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html)
I know I am brilliant. Can you give me an idea where I might be taking this?

[Nick333]

I know I am brilliant. Can you give me an idea where I might be taking this?

With as much kindness as I can muster:

Dodo your arguments are so erratic and devoid of logic and your english so eccentric, that I wouldn't even dare try and guess where most of your sentences are going.

[Mr TB]

Cyghost, then I just have to refer you to the unsubstantiated hypothesis of particle to man evolution. It is wrong indoctrinating youngster with a idea and not telling them there is not proof to show how life came about.

Like you are saying wrong is wrong...

[cyghost]

there is no particle to man evolution hypothesis

you are crazy attacking something that doesn't exist

I say give the youngster the evidence and let him make up his own mind ...

now would you kindly stop making every thread about evolution??? pay attention to which thread you are in and make a logical (did I just say that out loud??) contribution on topic

[Mr TB]

With as much kindness as I can muster:

Dodo your arguments are so erratic and devoid of logic and your english so eccentric, that I wouldn't even dare try and guess where most of your sentences are going.

Spirit-Guided Relationships: Wives and Husbands

21 And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church.
Paul explains to the gentile that Christ loves the church as husband loves wife in a marriage. The gentile will understand this comparison if the description given by Tacitus is valid.
24 As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.
25 For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her
26 to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word.[b]
27 He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.

Tacitus eplained the gentile's approach to marriage. Paul continues to use this strict approach to show to the gentile how Jesus Christ feels about the church.

28 In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself.
29 No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ cares for the church.
30 And we are members of his body.
31 As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.”[c]
32 This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.
33 So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

It is my personal opinion that Tacitus strenghtned the case that marriage is a shadow of things to come... Marriage is an example of Christ love for His church, however marriage the image is marred by sin...

[cyghost]

How do you manage all the pretty colors and the underline and bold yet the meaning is completely retarded??

[Mr TB]

"The objector to the passage (me) says there is no way that two wrongs make a right or that the immoral beating and humiliation of a person is justified for this particular immoral act ... kinda like throwing everyone who don't accept Jesus into an everlasting fire pit"

There are 2 ways presenting the passage:
a) Include the part of the passage that is incriminating, knowing that full use will be made by forumites of this passage to detract the attention from the actual reason for pasting the full passage.

or

b) Only paste the part of the passage that suites the argument, which is dishonest. Then face the ranting because the full passage were not quoted at a later point in time...

I did not claim the beating and humiliation of a person for an immoral act is justified did I?

It is however interesting to note that adultery was a capital offense in God's view:
LEV20v10 “If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the man and the woman who have committed adultery must be put to death.

1)Their marriage code, however, is strict, and indeed no part of their manners is more praiseworthy. Almost alone among barbarians they are content with one wife, except a very few among them, and these not from sensuality, but because their noble birth procures for them many offers of alliance.
I claim that in Ephesians especially the marriage code is used to promote Christ Jesus. Paul use the marriage as a tool to explain the love and grace of Christ Jesus towards his Church. Especially between the gentiles.

[Highflyer_GP]

b) Only paste the part of the passage that suites the argument, which is dishonest. Then face the ranting because the full passage were not quoted at a later point in time...

You're pretty much going to face the ranting either way. It's not like you actually provide a link for your copy/paste's so most people would have learned by now to skip right past it.

[cyghost]

There are 2 ways presenting the passage:
a) Include the part of the passage that is incriminating, knowing that full use will be made by forumites of this passage to detract the attention from the actual reason for pasting the full passage.

What the hell was your reason for posting that ****??


b) Only paste the part of the passage that suites the argument, which is dishonest. Then face the ranting because the full passage were not quoted at a later point in time...

Whatever. You talking to yourself like this is troubling...


I did not claim the beating and humiliation of a person for an immoral act is justified did I?

Its part of what you quoted wasn't it? Oh, I forgot, you pick and chose what you want to accept.



It is however interesting to note that adultery was a capital offense in God's view:
LEV20v10 “If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the man and the woman who have committed adultery must be put to death.

Interesting my ass. You and your God are insane and deserve each other.

[Mr TB]

2)Lest the woman should think herself to stand apart from aspirations after noble deeds and from the perils of war, she is reminded by the ceremony which inaugurates marriage that she is her husband's partner in toil and danger, destined to suffer and to dare with him alike both in in war.
The woman and her husband are one, that is the claim in the above passage and agrees with biblical ,marriage
Genesis 2:24 (Whole Chapter)
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

Once again Paul use the passage in Ephesians where he explains marriage to combine it with Christ love for the church...

[Lycanthrope]

Brilliant, now you're presenting nature worshiping pagans as paragons of Christian virtue.

Do you realize how long it took for Christianity to take hold in Germania?

For those of you who are interested Dodo is quoting from Tacitus: Germania which can be read in full here:Germania (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html)

Of course. Needless to say that Mr_TB would happily flog a woman ;) He's just that kind of guy.

P.S. I am a "nature worshipping Pagan" ;) And what can I say, Mr_TB has one twisted idea of what marriage is. Funny, it takes a gay Pagan to know how sacred and beautiful marriage is... Yet someone like Mr_TB will always take it for granted.

Ahh yes, the ever plagiaristic Mr_TB, when will you ever get over yourself and start having your own opinions instead of stealing the opinions of others and incorporating them into your own dellusions?

Love is beautiful... Sacred... wonderful... And the one thing that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my stomach is knowing that someone as vile, vulgar and mindless as you, could never understand that. And that someone like you cannot say who I can and cannot love. Because the reality is, what you THINK you know, and what I know, are two very, very different things.

I love my fiance ;) He's amazing, wonderful, loving and kind, silly and clumsy... perfect. And that's something you and your ignorance will never understand. And best of all, that's something someone as pitiful as you can never take away.

The funny thing is, you make me smile Mr_TB. The way someone would smile at a person with Down's Syndrome... That "ag shame" sort of smile.

[cyghost]

Awesome post Lycanthrope :D Who cares about Mr TB anyway. He limits himself in so many ways and will never understand or really live. Quite sad, really.

[Mr TB]

Of course. Needless to say that Mr_TB would happily flog a woman ;) He's just that kind of guy.

P.S. I am a "nature worshipping Pagan" ;) And what can I say, Mr_TB has one twisted idea of what marriage is. Funny, it takes a gay Pagan to know how sacred and beautiful marriage is... Yet someone like Mr_TB will always take it for granted.

Ahh yes, the ever plagiaristic Mr_TB, when will you ever get over yourself and start having your own opinions instead of stealing the opinions of others and incorporating them into your own dellusions?

Love is beautiful... Sacred... wonderful... And the one thing that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my stomach is knowing that someone as vile, vulgar and mindless as you, could never understand that. And that someone like you cannot say who I can and cannot love. Because the reality is, what you THINK you know, and what I know, are two very, very different things.

I love my fiance ;) He's amazing, wonderful, loving and kind, silly and clumsy... perfect. And that's something you and your ignorance will never understand. And best of all, that's something someone as pitiful as you can never take away.

The funny thing is, you make me smile Mr_TB. The way someone would smile at a person with Down's Syndrome... That "ag shame" sort of smile.
And best of all, that's something someone as pitiful as you can never take away.

Judgmental...

Because the reality is, what you THINK you know, and what I know, are two very, very different things.

I know the reality is procreation is impossible if every person is homosexual. The human race will become extinct if every person follow the trade of homosexuality.
You THINK you can convince me differently, but gee I live in reality not in ignorance like you...

"Love is beautiful... Sacred... wonderful... And the one thing that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my stomach is knowing that someone as vile, vulgar and mindless as you, could never understand that."
You should read the passage again, although you chastised me remember one thing lust and selfishness is not love... Love is selfless, what homosexuals do is not selfless...

"Ahh yes, the ever plagiaristic Mr_TB, when will you ever get over yourself and start having your own opinions instead of stealing the opinions of others and incorporating them into your own dellusions?"

Dellusion?
Marriage heterosexual, evidence presented from the pagan as well as christian community.
Adultery- a serious wrongdoing, evidence presented from the pagan as as the christian community...

plagiaristic?
Come sir don't be so obtuse!... I proved my point and you don't like it...

[cyghost]

Adultery does not equal homosexuality ~ you fail epically

as to this crap:

Love is selfless, what homosexuals do is not selfless...

You are a moron. And I am being kind.

(apologies to all morons)

[Tux]

Adultery does not equal homosexuality ~ you fail epically

as to this crap:

Love is selfless, what homosexuals do is not selfless...

You are a moron. And I am being kind.

(apologies to all morons)

Apology accepted :D :D :D

[cyghost]

:D:p:D

[Mr TB]

Apology accepted :D :D :D
MATT 7v5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.

For someone like Cyghost this verse runs around the following lines...

Hypocrite! (Cyghost you are a big moron) First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your (enemy, Mr TB, the one you believe is a moron's) friend’s eye.

[ToxicBunny]

Mr TB : you do know that you are painting yourself with the stupid brush with every single post you make. You are missing the point, bashing your bible, and not understanding reality in the slightest....

You need to start getting your OWN opinions and not someone elses.

[Tux]

MATT 7v5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.

For someone like Cyghost this verse runs around the following lines...

Hypocrite! (Cyghost you are a big moron) First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your (enemy, Mr TB, the one you believe is a moron's) friend’s eye.

Once again... What does that have to do with my post? Dude it becomes more obvious with every post you erm commit that you seriously need to get laid

[Highflyer_GP]

Gru considering that he just pissed off the gay community too, I would say that his last glimmer of hope of ever getting laid is now down the crapper :/

[ToxicBunny]

Nah... He will always have Ms Palmer and her five daughters.....

Thats about the closest he'll ever get...

[Neo]

Explains why he does not have any kids......his last 'experience' was probably the Playboy he stole from his dad......:rolleyes:

[Tux]

Hey! what's wrong with playboy? I have many a fond memory of time spent with one of them :D

[Neo]

Hey! what's wrong with playboy? I have many a fond memory of time spent with one of them :D

:) Which one?

[Mr TB]

Hey! what's wrong with playboy? I have many a fond memory of time spent with one of them :D
"Playboy"
"Never"
etc. things like that always will remember me that someone is bitter...

So that is a way seeking revenge... shame...

[The Cosmos]

Explains why he does not have any kids......his last 'experience' was probably the Playboy he stole from his dad......:rolleyes:

You know, you stooping to this level, is really disgraceful, neo. You should know better. Insults are one thing, but this is another. :sick: Fine you don't like him, but don't do this. :rolleyes:

[Lycanthrope]

And best of all, that's something someone as pitiful as you can never take away.

Judgmental...

Because the reality is, what you THINK you know, and what I know, are two very, very different things.

I know the reality is procreation is impossible if every person is homosexual. The human race will become extinct if every person follow the trade of homosexuality.
You THINK you can convince me differently, but gee I live in reality not in ignorance like you...

"Love is beautiful... Sacred... wonderful... And the one thing that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my stomach is knowing that someone as vile, vulgar and mindless as you, could never understand that."
You should read the passage again, although you chastised me remember one thing lust and selfishness is not love... Love is selfless, what homosexuals do is not selfless...

"Ahh yes, the ever plagiaristic Mr_TB, when will you ever get over yourself and start having your own opinions instead of stealing the opinions of others and incorporating them into your own dellusions?"

Dellusion?
Marriage heterosexual, evidence presented from the pagan as well as christian community.
Adultery- a serious wrongdoing, evidence presented from the pagan as as the christian community...

plagiaristic?
Come sir don't be so obtuse!... I proved my point and you don't like it...

Where to start... Where to start...

Ah, yes, I'll start with:

Love is selfless, what homosexuals do is not selfless...


What we "do" huh? And what is it that we "do?" I'd like to know that one for myself. It seems that you, Mr_TB have some apparent experience in the this field? Ignore that last part of what I just said, it might end up with me having to explain the birds and the bees to you.

Let me think, what do homosexuals "do" ... We read? Watch movies? There was that one time I actually ended up going to town and buying groceries (wow, was that a nightmare!) and occasionally we make dinner? Am I forgetting anything? Oh, I'm also the particular kind of f*g that likes gaming. Maybe I missed the point though... Help me out.

Next point:

Marriage heterosexual, evidence presented from the pagan as well as christian community.

Ah, I see you're also a Pagan then Mr_TB? So then you'd know that a large number of Pagans believe that it's the soul that counts, not the body. But see, that's the beauty in Paganism, the belief belongs solely to the person believing it. But I have to admit, I look forward to meeting a homophobic Pagan ;)

And do be so kind as to not suck your own beliefs of what other people's religions entail out of your thumb. Otherwise I might just ask if you've been hit upside the head with a burning bush or if God's called you lately, either way, I'm sure no one cares.

Next point:


Adultery- a serious wrongdoing, evidence presented from the pagan as as the christian community...

Let me get this straight... Just so that my brain can fathom this. First, you say gays can't get married, then you say we're adulterers? Care to explain how gays that apparently "cannot" get married can be adulterers? Or have I missed the plot slightly?

Either way, I've been with my fiance for 2 years, and I have the audacious pleasure of saying we haven't cheated on each other, ever. He's currently in the UK, and what do you know, his side of the bed is still there waiting for him when he gets back. And I trust him enough to know that he's still faithful to me. Especially since he's called me every night for at least an hour since he left... Ah... 'tis love.

Next point:

You THINK you can convince me differently, but gee I live in reality not in ignorance like you...

lol... I actually had to give myself 5 minutes to stop laughing. I'll send you the doctor's bill if I split a seam next time you say something so hypocritical ;)

---

Anyway, now for my opinion on all this. Is love selfish? Yes. Is love conditional? Yes.

Why? Simple. You love a person because of how they make you feel, how they make your world feel whole. To say that love is unconditional, is ignorant.

Would I love my fiance if he cheated on me? I suppose I would - kinda difficult to turn off the taps when they're going full speed. But our relationship would be over, because that would be defilement in everything we stand for and believe. It would be betrayal.

So to me love is conditional and selfish, yet, this is where the good part comes in. This is what love is... It's when that person would never do something to betray those conditions, it's when that person would never do anything to hurt you. That's love. So yes, to me love is conditional ;)

And I can say without any doubt I will never stop loving him. And I believe he will never stop loving me. As we've said before, "We're gonna grow old and be two old grannies together and die loving each other" stupid and soppy, I know, but it's true.

So believe what you want Mr_TB, if anyone is living in the land of ignorance, it's you. I live in reality, with the person I love, which is more than you could ever hope to say.

[Lycanthrope]

Were your fianciee still a virgin?
Were you still a virgin?

God's wrath was released on Israel when David counted the people. I read passages like that and also think evil god or look for an answer...


First off, Mr_TB, please be so kind as to not private message me, especially not something you might as well ask me in the open, I have no shame and am proud of who I am, what I am, and incredibly proud of my lover.

Was I a virgin before I met my lover? Yes. I had a few relationships (2 "serious" ones and 3 less than spectacular ones that just didn't hold any bearings for me) before him, but none that I trusted enough to go that far with... I always believed that virginity was something sacred, so I saved it for my "soul-mate" ...

If by "virgin" you mean have I ever been intimate with a female? No. I'm gay, do the math.

And yeah, we both gave our virginity to each other... It was special to us both... And is still something we giggle about and laugh fondly over.

**blush**

And for the sake of argument, fiance = male, fiancee = female.

And Mr_TB, if you're always going to hide behind the boogey man (Satan) then you'll never learn for yourself and you'll atrophy into nothingness because all you ever did with your life was hide behind other people's fears, phobia and opinions.

The only place that "Satan" can exist is in your own mind, and only if you let "him." After all, evil only lurks in the hearts and minds of mankind, nowhere else.

Irrelevantly, have you ever considered the philosophy of Yin and Yang? Little bit of good in all evil and little bit of evil in all good? How saving the life of a murderer, could doom the life of another person. Or how killing a murderer can save an unknown life?

Philosophy... it has interesting sides to it.

[Mr TB]

First off, Mr_TB, please be so kind as to not private message me, especially not something you might as well ask me in the open, I have no shame and am proud of who I am, what I am, and incredibly proud of my lover.

Was I a virgin before I met my lover? Yes. I had a few relationships (2 "serious" ones and 3 less than spectacular ones that just didn't hold any bearings for me) before him, but none that I trusted enough to go that far with... I always believed that virginity was something sacred, so I saved it for my "soul-mate" ...

If by "virgin" you mean have I ever been intimate with a female? No. I'm gay, do the math.

And yeah, we both gave our virginity to each other... It was special to us both... And is still something we giggle about and laugh fondly over.

**blush**

And for the sake of argument, fiance = male, fiancee = female.

And Mr_TB, if you're always going to hide behind the boogey man (Satan) then you'll never learn for yourself and you'll atrophy into nothingness because all you ever did with your life was hide behind other people's fears, phobia and opinions.

The only place that "Satan" can exist is in your own mind, and only if you let "him." After all, evil only lurks in the hearts and minds of mankind, nowhere else.

Irrelevantly, have you ever considered the philosophy of Yin and Yang? Little bit of good in all evil and little bit of evil in all good? How saving the life of a murderer, could doom the life of another person. Or how killing a murderer can save an unknown life?

Philosophy... it has interesting sides to it.
Based on the definitions I read in the dictionary you admit being a fornicator, or rather that you are guilty of fornication?

[Lycanthrope]

Based on the definitions I read in the dictionary you admit being a fornicator, or rather that you are guilty of fornication?

To quote wiki:


Fornication is a term which refers to sexual intercourse between consenting unmarried partners. Sex between unmarried persons is distinguished from adultery by use of the term 'simple fornication'. The origin of the word derives from Latin. The word fornix means "an archway" or "vault" (in Rome, prostitutes could be solicited there). More directly, fornicationis means "of the archway"; thus a euphemism for prostitution.

**sigh** Very well Mr_TB, yes, I am fornicating with the only person I've ever been in a sexual relationship with in my 20 year life-span. I am so evil.

lol... also an interesting read:


United States of America

Historically, in the context of the laws of states of the United States, fornication, generally defined as (vaginal) sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons of opposite sex, had been a crime. Most of these laws were either repealed, were not enforced, or were struck down by the courts as unconstitutional. See also State v. Saunders, 381 A.2d 333 (N.J. 1977), Martin v. Ziherl, 607 S.E.2d 367 (Va. 2005).

[The Cosmos]

To quote wiki:



**sigh** Very well Mr_TB, yes, I am fornicating with the only person I've ever been in a sexual relationship with in my 20 year life-span. I am so evil.

lol... also an interesting read:

Revolting. Since you are more inclined/in tune with nature, why are you going against human nature ?

Human nature, is male/female. Reproduce, male/female again. Etc. Homosexuality inadvertedly destroys life. Think about it, if there were only homosexuals on earth, there would be no reproduction, and no more people. Homosexuality is a crime against humanity.

[Mr TB]

My wife will call you a "fynseun" so I know what you are. Secondly, man also give up their virginity. Yes man indeed do...

And I don't hide behind a boogeyman...
NEO and other forumites blame God for killing men because David counted the people...
NEO blame me because I don't kill homosexuals...

Neither of you want to listen to the real story...

[Highflyer_GP]

My wife will call you a "fynseun" so I know what you are. Secondly, man also give up their virginity. Yes man indeed do...


You don't have a wife remember? Or does your split personality have one?

[Lycanthrope]

Revolting. Since you are more inclined/in tune with nature, why are you going against human nature ?

Human nature, is male/female. Reproduce, male/female again. Etc. Homosexuality inadvertedly destroys life. Think about it, if there were only homosexuals on earth, there would be no reproduction, and no more people. Homosexuality is a crime against humanity.

I'd call that speculation. Especially considering that you're right, if the world WAS entirely gay, there'd be a problem. But, perhaps you haven't noticed, it's not, and nor are your mom and dad, I'm sure.

And would you care to explain how homosexuality is a crime against humanity?

To Quote Wiki:

The Rome Statute Explanatory Memorandum states that crimes against humanity "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings.

Hmm.. I guess that would make you a hypocrite? I could be wrong.

Either way, if you want to get back to your dream of a world full of gays, go right ahead, I'm not going to stop you. But perhaps you haven't noticed, "nature" doesn't work that way.

Ah, and as for your sudden reappraisel of Nature, allow me to remind you that I was BORN this way, as in, NATURE created me the way I am, or perhaps even Fate. Either way, I'm me, no one else - thank the Gods.

The one thing that people like you need to understand, and drastically, is that if being gay was a "choice" I sure as Hell wouldn't have picked to deal with people like you on a near-regular basis.

But eh, c'est la vie, and I wouldn't have it any other way.


Edit: Perhaps, my little Nature-Revered friend, you'd pay attention to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals ... Cute, eh?

[Lycanthrope]

My wife will call you a "fynseun" so I know what you are. Secondly, man also give up their virginity. Yes man indeed do...

And I don't hide behind a boogeyman...
NEO and other forumites blame God for killing men because David counted the people...
NEO blame me because I don't kill homosexuals...

Neither of you want to listen to the real story...

Wow, your English scares me. But I'll ignore that and get to the point.

Fynseun? If that is meant in the sense of "delicate" and "girly" then, I doubt it. My fiance is, however, delicate, and I protect him with my life. I am polite, genuine and friendly, if that makes me a "fynseun" then woo, I have no complaints.

[The Cosmos]

I'd call that speculation. Especially considering that you're right, if the world WAS entirely gay, there'd be a problem. But, perhaps you haven't noticed, it's not, and nor are your mom and dad, I'm sure.

Ok. The world is not gay (entirely) however you are still participating in the non-reproduction of humans. That is against human nature.


And would you care to explain how homosexuality is a crime against humanity?

I already explained. You don't/can't reproduce. That's a crime against yourself and humanity.


Ah, and as for your sudden reappraisel of Nature, allow me to remind you that I was BORN this way, as in, NATURE created me the way I am, or perhaps even Fate. Either way, I'm me, no one else - thank the Gods.

Yeah. I heard that joke before. If you are born gay, then gays should've reproduced gays. But they can't.


The one thing that people like you need to understand, and drastically, is that if being gay was a "choice" I sure as Hell wouldn't have picked to deal with people like you on a near-regular basis.

Now i'm scared. :eek::rolleyes:


Edit: Perhaps, my little Nature-Revered friend, you'd pay attention to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals ... Cute, eh?

Don't quote wiki. I'd read any other source except wiki. You should know that by now.

[Lycanthrope]

Don't quote wiki. I'd read any other source except wiki. You should know that by now.

I'm sure you've noticed that there are a number of references cited, zoological organisations, etc, if that's not good enough for you, too bad.


Yeah. I heard that joke before. If you are born gay, then gays should've reproduced gays. But they can't.

Ah, of course, so if a gay guy manages to have sex with a woman, they have a straight kid. Two straight people get together, they have a gay kid. Wow, you make the world of sense.



Ok. The world is not gay (entirely) however you are still participating in the non-reproduction of humans. That is against human nature.


hahahahahaahahaha :)

Ok, so straight couples that can't have children are against human nature and therefore take part in a "crime against humanity?"

Brilliant :)

[Mr TB]

Wow, your English scares me. But I'll ignore that and get to the point.

Fynseun? If that is meant in the sense of "delicate" and "girly" then, I doubt it. My fiance is, however, delicate, and I protect him with my life. I am polite, genuine and friendly, if that makes me a "fynseun" then woo, I have no complaints.
Yeah, she also said they are quite nice collegues, just don't make a reference to anything under the belt, then they turn into the most vulgar specie on earth...

[Lycanthrope]

Yeah, she also said they are quite nice collegues, just don't make a reference to anything under the belt, then they turn into the most vulgar specie on earth...

Oh sure, people LOVE being told that they're going to burn in hell, that they're against nature, that they're evil and that they are "disgusting" ... Sure, the majority of us have NO right to be angry about that. Because, obviously "they're gay and "that's just how they are" ... Right?

hahahaha :)

Yeah, wonderful thinking XD

[The Cosmos]

I'm sure you've noticed that there are a number of references cited, zoological organisations, etc, if that's not good enough for you, too bad.

Wiki is unreliable, period.


Ah, of course, so if a gay guy manages to have sex with a woman, they have a straight kid. Two straight people get together, they have a gay kid. Wow, you make the world of sense.

Your logic is messed up. Male gays won't have sex with a woman. :rolleyes:



Ok, so straight couples that can't have children are against human nature and therefore take part in a "crime against humanity?"

Brilliant :)

LOL ! You're a big laugh. You have a choice to reproduce or not. They can't. Big difference. Your choice inadvertedly kills.

[Lycanthrope]

Wiki is unreliable period.

Uhuh... Sure, ok.



Your logic is messed up. Gays won't have sex with a woman. :rolleyes:

Ah, yeah, there just happen to be some gay couples that have surrogate mothers for their children (AKA have a close friend or donor have their child thanks to artificial insemination).. It helps to use your brain a little. The world doesn't just revolve around a d!ck and pu55y, ever thought there's MORE to life and love than that?



LOL ! You're a big laugh. You have a choice to reproduce or not. They can't. Big difference. Your choice inadvertedly kills.

Ahh... yes... the choice to reproduce. Let's think about the effects that a gay guy trying to be straight and having a family does to that family. It fails, people's lives get ruined and their "comfort" gets destroyed because of one person's ignorance, because he was too afraid to be himself in the first place.

Why should people force themselves to be unhappy? Just to make someone like YOU happy? And at what cost?

Don't be daft. Think a little further beyond "male" and "female" for a second and think about the complications of it. Or is that too much hassle for you as well?

Ah, yes, always the people that are so eager to throw their ignorant opinions around, opinions they know nothing of beyond the reproductive nature of animals.

[Mr TB]

Oh sure, people LOVE being told that they're going to burn in hell, that they're against nature, that they're evil and that they are "disgusting" ... Sure, the majority of us have NO right to be angry about that. Because, obviously "they're gay and "that's just how they are" ... Right?

hahahaha :)

Yeah, wonderful thinking XD
No sucker, make a joke with a sexual connotation. Her gay collegues chat will get so disgusting that she will rather leave the conversation. She quickly realised show proper disgust at the merest reference to sex and she made sure she never did.

No she learnt the majority of gays are indeed evil, disgusting, and revolting on the subject of sex.

People that do not repent of their sin and accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior will certainly burn in hell...

[Lycanthrope]

No sucker, make a joke with a sexual connotation. Her gay collegues chat will get so disgusting that she will rather leave the conversation. She quickly realised show proper disgust at the merest reference to sex and she made sure she never did.

No she learnt the majority of gays are indeed evil, disgusting, and revolting on the subject of sex.

People that do not repent of their sin and accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior will certainly burn in hell...

I've known women that are worse ;) But eh, each to their own. And what the heck does your wife do anyway? (if I may ask)

[Highflyer_GP]

Dude you're wasting your time on these evangelical freaks. They'll never agree with you unless you agree with them. Rather just save wear and tear on your keyboard, and let them know that you have your opinion and they have theirs. And your choice is enshrined and protected in the constitution, so there's absolutely fsckall they can say or do to force their prejudices on you ;)

PS: dodo you said you had no wife or kids. Did you magically conjure up a wife overnight by chanting a verse from Genesis?

[Lycanthrope]

Dude you're wasting your time on these evangelical freaks. They'll never agree with you unless you agree with them. Rather just save wear and tear on your keyboard, and let them know that you have your opinion and they have theirs. And your choice is enshrined and protected in the constitution, so there's absolutely fsckall they can say or do to force their prejudices on you ;)

rofl... Unfortunately these are the people that make life worse for everyone else who fails to agree with them. These are the people that sit in their bars with their friends going off about "Daarie f0kken m0ffies!" and whatnot...

It just irritates me, that they expect the world to accept and understand their perspective, when their perspective entails suffering and restriction for the people that they consider vile. Whereas, the only perspective I want, and probably all other gay people, is just to be left at peace, to have the same rights as any other person and to just be seen as 'one person, that dearly loves another person'... Not as some f4ggot fscking another f4ggot.

Is that too much to ask for?

[The Cosmos]

Ah, yeah, there just happen to be some gay couples that have surrogate mothers for their children (AKA have a close friend or donor have their child thanks to artificial insemination).. It helps to use your brain a little. The world doesn't just revolve around a d!ck and pu55y, ever thought there's MORE to life and love than that?

Not every woman is a surrogate mother. Eventually, that alternative will also die out.


Ahh... yes... the choice to reproduce. Let's think about the effects that a gay guy trying to be straight and having a family does to that family. It fails, people's lives get ruined and their "comfort" gets destroyed because of one person's ignorance, because he was too afraid to be himself in the first place.

Why should people force themselves to be unhappy? Just to make someone like YOU happy? And at what cost?

Don't be daft. Think a little further beyond "male" and "female" for a second and think about the complications of it. Or is that too much hassle for you as well?

Nature needs to stay in order, in order to survive. Fact is male and female reproduce which is nature. If there's no reproduction, then process of nature is killed. If they don't want to follow the process of nature, just to be happy, they kill. Willingly or not. That makes alot of sense. :rolleyes: Without the proper process of nature, there's no us.

[Highflyer_GP]

Maybe that's why you get people who are opposed to cloning. Goes against their ancient belief that it's only possible to reproduce heterosexually.

[The Cosmos]

Originally Posted by Highflyer_GP
Dude you're wasting your time on these evangelical freaks. They'll never agree with you unless you agree with them. Rather just save wear and tear on your keyboard, and let them know that you have your opinion and they have theirs. And your choice is enshrined and protected in the constitution, so there's absolutely fsckall they can say or do to force their prejudices on you

You're logic is brilliant and priceless. :rolleyes: The ANC has obviously been the world of good to this country, since your buddies took over. Not only are we paying more than ever before for petrol, but our women are being brutally raped and attacked and murdered, and crime is completely out of control. Homosexuality is another example. For years homosexuality has been considered a crime. There was a reason for that.

[Lycanthrope]

Not every woman is a surrogate mother. Eventually, that alternative will also die out.

Ah yes, because homosexuality is a disease and therefore the world will eventually be enshrouded in fags and humanity will die out, blah blah blah...


Nature needs to stay in order, in order to survive. Fact is male and female reproduce which is nature. If there's no reproduction, then process of nature is killed. If they don't want to follow the process of nature, just to be happy, they kill. Willingly or not. That makes alot of sense. :rolleyes: Without the proper process of nature, there's no us.

Have you ever considered that there are more than 6 billion people on this planet? And, if i had to garner a guess then I'd say less than 5% of those people are gay.

And I'm sorry, but I'm killing something that hasn't even existed yet? Woo, yeah, BRILLIANT!

Either way, if you're so fundamnetally lawful to the way of Nature, then you'd understand that there is something called the Balance. Where there is a major fire, there is new and stronger life. Where there is destruction and chaos, there is regrowth, determination and union.

Will gays ever take over the world? roflmao, in your dreams probably. But I sincerely doubt that.

If you could take a step back and realise, for a minute, that perhaps people are born gay for some philosophical reason involving the reduction of the global population? Maybe there are just TOO many people?

Have you ever just once thought of WHY, and not "HOW DARE THEY?!"

That's why you have a brain - think.

[Lycanthrope]

You're logic is brilliant and priceless. :rolleyes: The ANC has obviously been the world of good to this country, since your buddies took over. Not only are we paying more than ever before for petrol, but our women are being brutally raped and attacked and murdered, and crime is completely out of control. Homosexuality is another example. For years homosexuality has been considered a crime. There was a reason for that.

Ah, move to Israel or Afghanistan then if you're so happy and don't like this country. Goodness knows you'll have a problem in the US or even the UK, while marriage isn't permitted, civil unions are. Which is exactly the same thing, the same rights and the same recourse, except without the term "marriage." But again, you're sucking nonsense out of your thumb and apparently now blaming the ANC for homosexuality - damn you're a smart one. I'm sure the ANC controls the US as well, and Japan. Woo, go ANC!

And like I said, if you want to be in a country where homosexuality is a crime, go to the Middle-East, you'll be in paradise, I'm sure, because goodness knows South Africa is such an awful country! **major sarcasm**

Edit: There was also a reason why non-whites (not just blacks) were being prosecuted in those times - good reason, right?

[The Cosmos]

If you could take a step back and realise, for a minute, that perhaps people are born gay for some philosophical reason involving the reduction of the global population? Maybe there are just TOO many people?

This is no way to deal with overpopulation. Historically, there have been famines and wars to deal with overpopulation. It's happening today as we speak.


Have you ever just once thought of WHY, and not "HOW DARE THEY?!"

That's why you have a brain - think.

Yes. Lots of times. Why do we have this filth walking among us ?

[Highflyer_GP]

You're logic is brilliant and priceless. :rolleyes: The ANC has obviously been the world of good to this country, since your buddies took over. Not only are we paying more than ever before for petrol, but our women are being brutally raped and attacked and murdered, and crime is completely out of control. Homosexuality is another example. For years homosexuality has been considered a crime. There was a reason.

If you hate the country so much, then kindly fsck off :) It's not a crime to love somebody. How is that harming anyone? People have a right to choose their belief system, the same constitution states that you have a right to choose Christianity. Politicians generally use the "homosexuality is immoral" argument to win votes in order to appeal to the majority religious voters. They don't give a crap about what's right or wrong. How would you feel if Christianity were to be declared illegal because the bible promotes violence, rape and massacres?

[Lycanthrope]

This is no way to deal with overpopulation. Historically, there have been famines and wars to deal with overpopulation. It's happening today as we speak.

Ahh, yes, AIDS and HIV, that's a good start. Got to love that Nature ;) Funny, you can understand disease and famine but you can't understand love?

That brings me to your next sentence:


Yes. Lots of times. Why do we have this filth walking among us ?

I'm sure you can answer that question for us. Why do we have filth like you walking among us?

[The Cosmos]

Ah, move to Israel or Afghanistan then if you're so happy and don't like this country. Goodness knows you'll have a problem in the US or even the UK, while marriage isn't permitted, civil unions are. Which is exactly the same thing, the same rights and the same recourse, except without the term "marriage." But again, you're sucking nonsense out of your thumb and apparently now blaming the ANC for homosexuality - damn you're a smart one. I'm sure the ANC controls the US as well, and Japan. Woo, go ANC!

Here watch this video of your pal, mandela.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc

Edit: There was also a reason why non-whites (not just blacks) were being prosecuted in those times - good reason, right?[/QUOTE]'

Where do u get your information ? From the media ? 911 is a perfect example of why you can't trust the media. But that's a story for another day. You, like the rest of the 95% of the world, don't have a clue what really happened in the apartheid years.

[Neo]

It just irritates me, that they expect the world to accept and understand their perspective, when their perspective entails suffering and restriction for the people that they consider vile. Whereas, the only perspective I want, and probably all other gay people, is just to be left at peace, to have the same rights as any other person and to just be seen as 'one person, that dearly loves another person'... Not as some f4ggot fscking another f4ggot.

Is that too much to ask for?

Funny, is it not? These same people that preach you should love your neighbor, call those same neighbors vile and despicable.:rolleyes:

But, as always, it's based on fear of the unknown. Their views on gays above show their ignorance, for example; gay men won't sleep with women. I know for a fact that a few of my gay friends have indeed slept with women. I guess now dodo and fish-fingers will claim they're the ones who gave the "gay disease" to hetro's.

@ HGP; dodo told me he's a 46 year old, married accountant with no kids who failed at getting an education.

[Lycanthrope]

If you hate the country so much, then kindly fsck off :) It's not a crime to love somebody. How is that harming anyone? People have a right to choose their belief system, the same constitution states that you have a right to choose Christianity. Politicians generally use the "homosexuality is immoral" argument to win votes in order to appeal to the majority religious voters. They don't give a crap about what's right or wrong. How would you feel if Christianity were to be declared illegal because the bible promotes violence, rape and massacres?

I think that some parts of the Middle-East are still against Christianity, I could be wrong though. But shh, don't tell them that, let them move ;)

It's just funny, there are some Christians that are the most amazing and warm and wonderful people in the world, and then you get these low-life mongrels that spend their lives trying to make life worse for people that just want as close to a "normal" life as they can get.

[Highflyer_GP]

@ HGP; dodo told me he's a 46 year old, married accountant with no kids who failed at getting an education.
lol thanks, my apologies dodo, and my deepest sympathies to your wife

[The Cosmos]

I'm sure you can answer that question for us. Why do we have filth like you walking among us?

If you consider the protection and protectors of the process of nature to be filth(y), then you really need some help.

[Lycanthrope]

Here watch this video of your pal, mandela.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc

Edit: There was also a reason why non-whites (not just blacks) were being prosecuted in those times - good reason, right?

Where do u get your information ? From the media ? 911 is a perfect example of why you can't trust the media. But that's a story for another day. You, like the rest of the 95% of the world, don't have a clue what really happened in the apartheid years.

Roflmao... You won't trust wiki or the media, but you'll trust a YouTube vid with Mandela apparently singing a song about killing whites, with a white man singing right next to him? Jesus you're a smart one.

Unfortunately I don't speak the language, so I can't say :) Then again, there are even words in Japanese that have dual meanings.

My point? If you're such a little whining racist, why not leave? Or is that your problem? Are you a little waiter that can't get a visa to another country? Pity.

[Lycanthrope]

If you consider the protection and protectors of the process of nature to be filth(y), then you really need some help.

Your understanding of nature is a little twisted. I'm born gay, therefore I am gay. Thus, Nature imparted on my creation.

Or does this fall under the same category as say, people born with red hair in Japan are "different" so they're outcasts?

Ahh... physical attributes and psychological attributes... whatever are the differences.

I don't know what you think Nature is, but it's everything, it's the ground you walk on, the birdcrap that falls on your head and the air you breathe. It's every cell in your body and it's your entire being. You are a part of it.

How I was made, is how I was meant to be made. And if you're a Christian, then I will say to you that this is how God made me. And if that's not good enough for you, then you deny the makings of your own God, and I pity you.

[Lycanthrope]

The video has subtitels which are translated in english. Joe Slovo was NOT white. He was a jew. You idiot.



roflmao :)

Any Jews around here? You hear that? You guys are now classified as black. Congratulations. If that's the case, then Jesus was black too. YAY! Black Jesus for the win!

[The Cosmos]

roflmao :)

Any Jews around here? You hear that? You guys are now classified as black. Congratulations. If that's the case, then Jesus was black too. YAY! Black Jesus for the win!

More drivel. Christ wasn't a jew. He was a judean. Huge difference. :rolleyes:

[Lycanthrope]

Leave ? And give you that pleasure ? Not a chance.

Sorry, I missed that part while laughing so hard. Allow me to express my pleasure in having you stay in this horrible country that you hate so much XD I LOVE IT :)

[Lycanthrope]

More drivel. Christ wasn't a jew. He was a judean. Huge difference. :rolleyes:

Cite your reference please.


The main sources of information regarding Jesus' life and teachings are the four canonical Gospels of the New Testament: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Most scholars in the fields of history and biblical studies agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew, was regarded as a teacher and healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on orders of the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate under the accusation of sedition against the Roman Empire.[2][3]

There's my reference from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ which, in turn, has it's own references.

Please, how was Jesus not a Jew?

[Highflyer_GP]

Interesting then that most of God's "chosen people" who reside in Israel happen to be Jewish :rolleyes: But you happen to be discriminatory towards Jews? Odd...

[Neo]

More drivel. Christ wasn't a jew. He was a judean. Huge difference. :rolleyes:

Still makes him non-white......:rolleyes:

[Mr TB]

lol thanks, my apologies dodo, and my deepest sympathies to your wife
It seems that Neo classifies everyone without a tertiary qualification as stupid. That seems to be a racial attitude doesn't it?
Do you classify most Blacks as stupid Neo?

[Highflyer_GP]

It seems that Neo classifies everyone without a tertiary qualification as stupid. That seems to be a racial attitude doesn't it?
Do you classify most Blacks as stupid Neo?
What does an education have to do with the colour of your skin :confused: Seriously man, do you have your thumb up your arse and then when you decide to type you post *****? No offense or anything, I just don't see the relevance of anything you post.

[Lycanthrope]

I just thought of a way to advertise this thread.. "Should gays marry? Was Jesus black? And best of all - do potatoes fall out of the sky???"

You know, gotta add a bit of sensationalism to get the viewers swarming in and all that...

[The Cosmos]

Sorry, I missed that part while laughing so hard. Allow me to express my pleasure in having you stay in this horrible country that you hate so much XD I LOVE IT :)

What's not to hate ? It's stupid to leave just because a) you and flyboy suggested it, and b) because there's so much wrong here.

[Neo]

It seems that Neo classifies everyone without a tertiary qualification as stupid. That seems to be a racial attitude doesn't it?
Do you classify most Blacks as stupid Neo?

Only if they're hypocritical, narrow-minded, religious nut cases who can't tolerate others who do not share their own warped beliefs and/or believe that people they don't agree with, should be killed. It does not matter if they're white, black, pink or yellow....

An open mind is not necessarily directly related to a higher education (although it always helps). I knew your bible better at age 15 than you do today.

How do you bring race and education together? Do you even know the meaning of the words? :rolleyes:

[Lycanthrope]

What's not to hate ? It's stupid to leave just because a) you and flyboy suggested it, and b) because there's so much wrong here.

Either way, enjoy your stay ^.^

[The Cosmos]

Cite your reference please.
There's my reference from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ which, in turn, has it's own references.

Please, how was Jesus not a Jew?

You just don't learn. :rolleyes:


Still makes him non-white......:rolleyes:

For both of you.



JESUS WAS NOT A JEW !


Benj. H. Freedman, Historian ‑ Researcher ‑ Scholar.



“Christians Duped By The Unholiest Hoax in All History, By So‑Called Jews. This is Considered Their Most Effective Weapon.”

“This ‘big lie’ technic is brainwashing U.S.A. Christians into believing that Jesus Christ was ‘King of the Jews,’ in the sense that so‑called ‘Jews’ today call themselves ‘Jews.’ This reference was first made in English translations of the Old and New Testaments, centuries before the so‑called Jews highjacked the word ‘Jew’ in the 19th A.D. century to palm themselves off on the Christian world as having a kinship with Jesus Christ. This alleged kinship comes from the myth of their common ancestry with the so‑called ‘Jews’ of the Holy Land in the Old Testament history, a fiction based on fable.

“U.S.A. Christians little suspect they are being brainwashed twenty‑four hours of every day over television and radio, by newspapers and magazines, by motion pictures and plays, by books, by political leaders in office and seeking office, by religious leaders in their pulpits and outside their churches, by leaders in the field of education inside and outside their cirricular activities, and by all leaders in business, professions and finance, whose economic security demands that they curry the favor of so‑called “Jews” of historic Khazar ancestry.

“Unsuspecting Christians are subjected to this barrage from sources they have little reason to suspect. Incontestible facts supply the unchallengable proof of the historic accuracy that so‑called “Jews” throughout the world today of eastern European origin are unquestionably the historic descendants of the Khazars, a pagan Turco‑Finn ancient Mongoloid nation deep in the heart of Asia, according to history, who battled their way in blody wars about the 1st century B.C. into eastern Europe where they set up their Khazar kingdom. For some mysterious reason the history of the Khazar kingdom is conspicuous by its absence from history courses in the schools and colleges.

“The historic existence of the Khazar kingdom of so‑called “Jews,” their rise and fall, the permanent disappearance of the Khazar kingdom as a nation from the map of Europe, and how King Bulan and the Khazar nation in 720 A.D. became so‑called ‘Jews’ by conversion, were concealed from U.S.A. Christians by censorship imposed by so‑called ‘Jews,’ of historic Khazar ancestry, upon all U.S.A. media of mass communications directed by them.

Then in 1945 this author gave nation‑wide publicity to his many years intensive research into the ‘facts of life’ concerning Khazars. The disclosures were sensational and very effective but apparently angered so‑called ‘Jews’ who have continued to vent their spleen upon this author since then solely for that reason. Since 1946 they have conducted a vicious smear campaign against this author, seeking thus to further conceal these facts, for obvious reasons. What have they to fear from the truth?

“In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New Yorks’s Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world’s greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject.”

Jesus was a ‘Judean,’ not a Jew.

During His lifetime, no persons were described as “Jews” anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the “homeland” of the ancestors of those who today style themselves “Jews.” Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their “homeland,” and were known as Khazars. In neither of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a “Jew,” just as the term “Texan” signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so‑called “Jews,” they have been unable to prove in all the recorded history that there is a record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew.” The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self‑styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews,” were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhored and denounced “Pharisaism;” hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers.”

Well there you have it, right from a jews works! Spread this far & wide & let the White jew‑day‑o Christians know the Blasphemous LIE they believe, & falsely spread to others knowingly, or unknowingly !

[Lycanthrope]

You just don't learn. :rolleyes:



Then in 1945 this author gave nation‑wide publicity to his many years intensive research into the ‘facts of life’ concerning Khazars. The disclosures were sensational and very effective but apparently angered so‑called ‘Jews’ who have continued to vent their spleen upon this author since then solely for that reason. Since 1946 they have conducted a vicious smear campaign against this author, seeking thus to further conceal these facts, for obvious reasons. What have they to fear from the truth?

So, let me get this straight, the Jews who hate Jesus, then hated the fact that Jesus wasn't a Jew? Riiiiiight, and I eat socks for breakfast.


In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so‑called “Jews,” they have been unable to prove in all the recorded history that there is a record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew.” The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self‑styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews,” were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.

So, what this guy is saying is, although there were (APPARENTLY) no Jews living in Judea. That the people that were living there, were apparently white? :p Is that what I'm supposed to understand?

Because, right now, in my head, I see a very Islamic and Muslim upper-African echelon, where NO where, is there a .. heh.. "white" person. And I sincerely doubt even in ye olde days, that there were any "white" people. So regardless of how you look at it, Jesus was, for lack of a better description, not "white." And if this guy is correct, then Jesus wasn't "Jewish" either.

Ah... so what was the then? :) Islamic? Atheist? Agnostic? Humour me.

[IzZzy]

It seems that Neo classifies everyone without a tertiary qualification as stupid. That seems to be a racial attitude doesn't it?
Do you classify most Blacks as stupid Neo?

Your premise: Neo classifies EVERYONE without a tertiary education as stupid.

Conclusion: That seems to be a racial attitude.

Your premise is easily refuted, I am sure Neo does not do as you say, therefore your premise is false.

Your conclusion does not follow from your premise! It is neither valid nor cogent.

My conclusion: Your argument is not valid nor cogent.

[Lycanthrope]

Sorry, I'm still giggling like a lunatic because this guy, who refuses to believe wiki, will believe a fundamentalist racist. Give me a second to stop laughing, I know at least a few of you wouldn't wanna have me choke on my drink ;P

[The Cosmos]

So, let me get this straight, the Jews who hate Jesus, then hated the fact that Jesus wasn't a Jew? Riiiiiight, and I eat socks for breakfast.

They hated him because He denounced their teachings, which they hold dear to them. And He called them hypocrits and den of vipers, because that was their character.


So, what this guy is saying is, although there were (APPARENTLY) no Jews living in Judea. That the people that were living there, were apparently white? :p Is that what I'm supposed to understand?

He doesn't have all his facts straight but he is correct on most things. There were jews living in judea. Christ was a judean because he came from that tribe (Juda).



Because, right now, in my head, I see a very Islamic and Muslim upper-African echelon, where NO where, is there a .. heh.. "white" person. And I sincerely doubt even in ye olde days, that there were any "white" people. So regardless of how you look at it, Jesus was, for lack of a better description, not "white." And if this guy is correct, then Jesus wasn't "Jewish" either.

Do u honestly believe that 2000 years ago that whole area was covered with muslims ? In 2000 years ? South Africa was found in the 1400's by Diaz and Da Gama. It was a wilderness. Georgraphical settlements change over centuries.


Ah... so what was the then? :) Islamic? Atheist? Agnostic? Humour me.

I leave that to you to find out. If you don't want to, then too bad.

[Lycanthrope]

They hated him because He denounced their teachings, which they hold dear to them. And He called them hypocrits and den of vipers, because that was their character.

So, that STILL doesn't explain why they would hate if it was discovered that he's not one of them and never was.


He doesn't have all his facts straight but he is correct on most things. There were jews living in judea. Christ was a judean because he came from that tribe (Juda).

Yes, yes, that's been established.



Do u honestly believe that 2000 years ago that whole area was covered with muslims ? In 2000 years ? South Africa was found in the 1400's by Diaz and Da Gama. It was a wilderness. Georgraphical settlements change over centuries.

Well you obviously believe that 2000 years ago the whole area was covered with whites, so, c'mon, fill me in.


I leave that to you to find out. If you don't want to, then too bad.

I honestly don't care, I'm not Christian or Jewish, so it doesn't bother me in the least. Oh, and if you ever feel like an interesting read, check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars ;) Apparently they-- Hmm, nah, I'll let you read. No use spoiling the fun in explaining it to you.

I'll just say this much, I find it funny how you're so afraid that your Messiah might JUST be black or Islamic or Muslim. Jeez, that would be horrible, wouldn't it? It's funny, even your love for your "God" is conditional :)

That's why I keep saying, people like you know nothing about love. To you, it's the outside that matters, a d*ck or a c*nt, and that's NOT what love is about.

And I've said it a billion times, I am not an evil person, not in mind, not in heart and not in body, and I know this because I am me, and only I know myself. And in saying that, if I burn in your little fiery Hell for being myself, for loving the most wonderful person on earth, then I do so happily. And I wouldn't change a thing.

[Claymore]

Ok. The world is not gay (entirely) however you are still participating in the non-reproduction of humans. That is against human nature.

I already explained. You don't/can't reproduce. That's a crime against yourself and humanity.


Sort of like these evil people who are infertile, use contraception, are under the age of puberty, are past menopause, or don't engage in sexual intercourse.

[Pr⊕phet]

Sort of like these evil people who are infertile, use contraception, are under the age of puberty, are past menopause, or don't engage in sexual intercourse.

hehe not to mention all his wet dreams are also very unproductive not fertilizing woman....

[Tux]

@InternetJunkie: I'm jewish. 'm not a christian. Nor do I follow any other religion

I doubledare you to come repeat your anti-jewish racist **** in my face
PM me, will supply my adress. Bring your AWB friends if you're afraid to come alone

[The Cosmos]

Sort of like these evil people who are infertile, use contraception, are under the age of puberty, are past menopause, or don't engage in sexual intercourse.

As i said, they have a choice, and their choice means non-production. Infertile humans have no means of reproduction.

[Lycanthrope]

As i said, they have a choice, and their choice means non-production. Infertile humans have no means of reproduction.

Ah, right, well, I don't have a choice to be gay. If I want to go have sex with a female, sure, I suppose I have that choice, just like you have the choice to go mate with a sheep. But I don't have a choice about being gay. Just like I'm pretty sure you don't have a choice about being straight.

[Claymore]

As i said, they have a choice, and their choice means non-production. Infertile humans have no means of reproduction.

And people on contraception? And men who have had vasectomies?

[The Cosmos]

And people on contraception? And men who have had vasectomies?

In the case of contraception, they should rather abstain. Vasectomies, they are tampering with nature.

[Nanfeishen]

This is no way to deal with overpopulation. Historically, there have been famines and wars to deal with overpopulation. It's happening today as we speak.

So to you Famine and war, both of which cause human suffering is preferable to the idea that the population of an already over populated planet, is reduced by the acceptance of gays and their lifestyles, which is so miniscule (population wise). That is twisted.


It's just funny, there are some Christians that are the most amazing and warm and wonderful people in the world, and then you get these low-life mongrels that spend their lives trying to make life worse for people that just want as close to a "normal" life as they can get.

But then many of them are afraid, "We always fear what we dont understand". They are incapable of seeing or understanding anything beyond their own blinkered perspective of the world around them. It is a common trait amongst fundamentalists


I just thought of a way to advertise this thread.. "Should gays marry? Was Jesus black? And best of all - do potatoes fall out of the sky???"

Yes!
Probabily!
and , only if you throw them first!
:D

[The Cosmos]

So to you Famine and war, both of which cause human suffering is preferable to the idea that the population of an already over populated planet, is reduced by the acceptance of gays and their lifestyles, which is so miniscule (population wise). That is twisted.

If mankind is so irresponsible to overpopulate, they will in the end die out, because of dwindling resources.

[Claymore]

In the case of contraception, they should rather abstain. Vasectomies, they are tampering with nature.

Er...if they abstain, they're not procreating, and you assert that not procreating is a crime against humanity...

[The Cosmos]

My point is contraception is wrong. If you're gonna do the deed, live with the consequences of creating children. Lots of people just want to do the deed without having to procreate. Contraception is wrong.

If two people who are both capable, are not procreating, then they are no better than homosexuals. Nature in order to survive and thrive needs to be ever "growing".

[Mr TB]

I don't know why gays hide behind those born infertile, those who had vasectomies etc.

They just do not want to face the truth , do they?

[Neo]

My point is contraception is wrong. If you're gonna do the deed, live with the consequences of creating children. Lots of people just want to do the deed without having to procreate. Contraception is wrong.

If two people who are both capable, are not procreating, then they are no better than homosexuals. Nature in order to survive and thrive needs to be ever "growing".

How many times have you done 'the deed'?

How many kids do you have?

[Mr TB]

How many times have you done 'the deed'?
How many kids do you have?

When you look at a same - sex relationship you immediately know procreation is impossible.
You don't have to go and search for some medical disability? Stop that!, that the responsibility for revolting relationships...

[Neo]

How many times have you done 'the deed'?
How many kids do you have?

When you look at a same - sex relationship you immediately know procreation is impossible.
You don't have to go and search for some medical disability? Stop that!, that the responsibility for revolting relationships...

I wasn't talking to you.....I already know you have sex (or at least I assume you do) without procreating. We know you don't have any kids (thank God)

My question was for IJ, so please stay out of it.

[Pr⊕phet]

My point is contraception is wrong. If you're gonna do the deed, live with the consequences of creating children. Lots of people just want to do the deed without having to procreate. Contraception is wrong.

If two people who are both capable, are not procreating, then they are no better than homosexuals. Nature in order to survive and thrive needs to be ever "growing".

ummm mary and joseph was very able....

but didn't

[Mr TB]

Ah, right, well, I don't have a choice to be gay. If I want to go have sex with a female, sure, I suppose I have that choice, just like you have the choice to go mate with a sheep. But I don't have a choice about being gay. Just like I'm pretty sure you don't have a choice about being straight.
It may not be your choice to be gay...
It is still your choice to abstain...

[Mr TB]

"If two people who are both capable, are not procreating, then they are no better than homosexuals."

Hey!... I may just push this sentence down your throat with a klippie...
hehehe...

[Pr⊕phet]

"If two people who are both capable, are not procreating, then they are no better than homosexuals."

Hey!... I may just push this sentence down your throat with a klippie...
hehehe...

as per



I already explained. You don't/can't reproduce. That's a crime against yourself and humanity.

its very evil to abstain since you are not reproducing ;)

[Mr TB]

If mankind is so irresponsible to overpopulate, they will in the end die out, because of dwindling resources.
Read the Bible

Famine, Pestilence, War and Earthquakes is Good News!

The coming of the King is near!

[disabled]

I don't know much of what I read here but neither will I argue, but what I would like to bring to everyone's attention:
Remember when Jesus came across a woman who was been stoned to death? Seeing most here know the bible and what he'd said to those who where stoning them.
I certainly don't agree to gays or lesbians getting married or even existing etc but then that's just my opinion (Which does not count)...So who am I to critise? ... Why don't people take out the bark of their eye before critising the twig in some one else's eye

It's amazing how many people hide behind the cloak of religion when it suits them!

[Tux]

Read the Bible

Famine, Pestilence, War and Earthquakes is Good News!

The coming of the King is near!

Elvis is coming!? YAY!

[Pr⊕phet]

I don't know much of what I read here but neither will I argue, but what I would like to bring to everyone's attention:
Remember when Jesus came across a woman who was been stoned to death? Seeing most here know the bible and what he'd said to those who where stoning them.
I certainly don't agree to gays or lesbians getting married or even existing etc but then that's just my opinion (Which does not count)...So who am I to critise? ... Why don't people take out the bark of their eye before critising the twig in some one else's eye

It's amazing how many people hide behind the cloak of religion when it suits them!

amen.

or the digital front for that matter

[disabled]

Elvis is coming!? YAY!

Some believe he never left:confused:

[Mr TB]

as per



its very evil to abstain since you are not reproducing ;)
It is confusing, the first quote also belong to IJ!,. Christians who are not married should abstain from sex. Procreation is for marriage only. To not procreate within a heterosexual marriage, to see that as a crime may be a fallacy.
Procreation in same-sex marrages is impossible. You do not need special knowledge to know procreation is impossible, on that basis we can conclude same-sex marriage to be wrong...

[Mr TB]

I don't know much of what I read here but neither will I argue, but what I would like to bring to everyone's attention:
Remember when Jesus came across a woman who was been stoned to death? Seeing most here know the bible and what he'd said to those who where stoning them.
I certainly don't agree to gays or lesbians getting married or even existing etc but then that's just my opinion (Which does not count)...So who am I to critise? ... Why don't people take out the bark of their eye before critising the twig in some one else's eye

It's amazing how many people hide behind the cloak of religion when it suits them!
Gays are offended because I say same-sex-marriages are wrong.

Then they attack my viewpoint, because as individual I must accept their opinion but I am not allowed to give mine...

Then they blame me that I am not killing homosexuals as the bible says...

I am not hiding behind religion, religion is used by the pagan to offend me with unsubstantiated remarks...

[Claymore]

Procreation in same-sex marrages is impossible.

Incorrect.

[Mr TB]

Incorrect.
What presuppositions do you want to lay down?
A reconsideration of the presuppositions in radiometric dating prove the earth is between 4000 and 14000 years old, any suggestions?

[Paul_S]

I don't know much of what I read here but neither will I argue, but what I would like to bring to everyone's attention:
Remember when Jesus came across a woman who was been stoned to death? Seeing most here know the bible and what he'd said to those who where stoning them.

She was about to be stoned to death and don't forget Jesus' answer :
He saw that she was repentant and told her that she was forgiven and that she should sin no more.
In other words he showed both grace and truth.
Without truth and a change of heart, grace can just be used as a license to carry on sinning.

Look at what Jesus said about sexual immorality in Matthew 5:27-28
27. You have heard that it was said, "Do not commit adultery."
28. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

That kind of raises the bar a bit!


I certainly don't agree to gays or lesbians getting married or even existing etc but then that's just my opinion (Which does not count)...So who am I to critise? ... Why don't people take out the bark of their eye before critising the twig in some one else's eye

If people want to be homosexual in society then that is their decision but it's another matter if the church puts their stamp of approval on it!
Who are they trying to appease - God or man?
What do they stand for if they condone this behaviour inside the church?
Next thing you know they'll be ordaining Satanic priests.

I think the key issue is that a lot of so called Christians don't have a heart for the lost. They're caught up in a legalistic system of rituals and rules that they try to apply to everyone. A bunch of rules and regulations are easy because that way you appease your mind but your heart can be far from God.
What most Christians seem to have is religion - they don't have a real and personal relationship with God and therefore they don't have the same heart for the lost that He does.
If they truly loved the lost they would reach out to them instead of bashing them.

Route homosexuallity out from inside the church and not carry out homosexual marriage ceremonies? Certainly.
Bash non-believing homosexuals? No. Love the sinner but hate the sin.

[The Cosmos]

Incorrect.

You're joking right ? Are you talking about artificial insemination ?

[Paul_S]

Why did Christianity become generally anti-sex? They have sort of changed their tune in recent times, but the puritan attitude was that sex was naughty and should only be done if really, really necessary, to make children. That is why we had laws making various sexual activities illegal and those laws still exist in some places.

Well the Bible isn't anti-sex : go read Song of Solomon.
Parts of it are downright erotic!

Some certain Christian denominations on the other hand seem to have a "don't talk about" policy which is plain silly in my opinion.

[Mr TB]

She was about to be stoned to death and don't forget Jesus' answer :
He saw that she was repentant and told her that she was forgiven and that she should sin no more.
In other words he showed both grace and truth.
Without truth and a change of heart, grace can just be used as a license to carry on sinning.

Look at what Jesus said about sexual immorality in Matthew 5:27-28
27. You have heard that it was said, "Do not commit adultery."
28. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

That kind of raises the bar a bit!



If people want to be homosexual in society then that is their decision but it's another matter if the church puts their stamp of approval on it!
Who are they trying to appease - God or man?
What do they stand for if they condone this behaviour inside the church?
Next thing you know they'll be ordaining Satanic priests.

I think the key issue is that a lot of so called Christians don't have a heart for the lost. They're caught up in a legalistic system of rituals and rules that they try to apply to everyone. A bunch of rules and regulations are easy because that way you appease your mind but your heart can be far from God.
What most Christians seem to have is religion - they don't have a real and personal relationship with God and therefore they don't have the same heart for the lost that He does.
If they truly loved the lost they would reach out to them instead of bashing them.

Route homosexuallity out from inside the church and not carry out homosexual marriage ceremonies? Certainly.
Bash non-believing homosexuals? No. Love the sinner but hate the sin.
Well! watchout you will be taken to the cleaners it is not sin mate!
Neither is it an immoral act!

But now I think about king Saul . He sinned and then wanted Samuel to go and pray with him, the people will at see it and at least honour him!

Ironic! That is the same the homosexual society is expecting from the church, pray with us that the people at least will honour us!!!

[Claymore]

What presuppositions do you want to lay down?

Presuppositions? You are the one making assumptions here.


A reconsideration of the presuppositions in radiometric dating prove the earth is between 4000 and 14000 years old, any suggestions?

I have no idea what this has to do with gay marriage.

However, radiometric dating is based on the laws of physics remaining constant, yes. If the laws of physics have changed, then theoretically radiometric dating could be incorrect. However, if the laws of physics change, believe me, we would have far bigger things to worry about.

[Tux]

Gays are offended because I say same-sex-marriages are wrong.

Then they attack my viewpoint, because as individual I must accept their opinion but I am not allowed to give mine...

Then they blame me that I am not killing homosexuals as the bible says...

I am not hiding behind religion, religion is used by the pagan to offend me with unsubstantiated remarks...

I don't have an issue with your "verkrampte" belief system. If it works for you then it works. What I personally cant stand is your ill-informed judgemental opinions you shove in people's faces sometimes. In technicolor nogal

[Claymore]

You're joking right ? Are you talking about artificial insemination ?

Yes. Or infidelity. Or perfectly natural insemination (but not the other partner).

And maybe it's not quite procreation, but there's adoption too - providing a loving home to a child without parents.

[Lycanthrope]

My point is contraception is wrong. If you're gonna do the deed, live with the consequences of creating children. Lots of people just want to do the deed without having to procreate. Contraception is wrong.

If two people who are both capable, are not procreating, then they are no better than homosexuals. Nature in order to survive and thrive needs to be ever "growing".

Sorry, I decided to have a life today and go have a braai with my brother, his wife, their daughter and my mom. So let me catch up with .. heh... your point.

So what you believe, Internet_Junkie, is that people should have sex with everything they see (assuming it's the opposite sex) and have lots of little babies so that the world can be a happy little place filled with lots and lots of people sexing around having children. Wow, what a blessed utopia.

Sounds just like a pack of dogs to me ;) But perhaps that's what your take on humanity is.


How many times have you done 'the deed'?
How many kids do you have?

When you look at a same - sex relationship you immediately know procreation is impossible.
You don't have to go and search for some medical disability? Stop that!, that the responsibility for revolting relationships...

uhuh... "Revolting relationships" ok. I'll let that one slide because, such is the mentality of the beast (figure it out).

Very well, I will not relate "homosexuality" to people that are genetically or otherwise infertile. Instead, I will say that I, as a person, do not like children, therefore I would never have any in the first place. But wait, that would make me "just as bad as a homosexual" .. Oh, WAIT! I AM ONE! Fancy that.

Not all people have children, not all people sleep around, not all people that don't sleep around have children. Get that into your heads and stop going "Oh, only gay people are like that" or... whatever it is you think you know.

I have said this, to all you beloved self-righteous gay-bashers, I am me, I am no one else. I did not choose to be gay, I was born gay. The only choice I have, is that I refuse to waste my life, disrespect myself, the way I was made and created, and go have sex with some female just for the sake of either having a kid, or pretending that I am straight. That, will never happen.

I have also said a billion times, I am not evil, nor is my mind, my body, my heart or my soul. And if I am evil for loving my fiance, for living for him, for wanting to grow old and die as ripe old prune, then I am evil. And if I burn in your little Christian-idealised Hell for being who I am, for living as myself, being true to myself, and being true to the way I was made, then so be it, I will die and burn in Hell and I will enjoy every last second of eternity, because that, in itself, would be hypocritical, biased and ridiculous.

What your opinions are, are your own, and if your opinions involve hating someone for loving another person with all their heart, mind, soul and body, then I pity you. Because all that means, is that you are a very lonely, sad and pathetic person that can't see past your own biased mentality.

The truly sad and funny thing is, that you are the same people, that would crap yourselves if for a second you discovered that Jesus wasn't "white" or whatever you believe he is. Because that, in itself, is your biased narrow-mindedness, that not only affects your mentality, but also your religious beliefs.

If Jesus was black, would that change the fact that he was Jesus, the Messiah, and son of God in your eyes? If Jesus was Islamic, would that change it too? I'll never forget that little argument, because I saw how Internet_Junkie fought so hard to make his little Jesus white, because his opinion on Jesus, is with the belief in his own mind that Jesus is white.

And just as similarly as that, you people believe that love is a thing between a male and a female, and not something between two people. And the thought, that just maybe, two gay men or two gay women can love is each other the same, if not better than you, scares you.

I have met some gay women that have been with each other for over 40 years, and they love each other as much now as they did the moment they first met.

You sad, sad people that can't see past your own d1cks and realise that love is greater than just having sex and "procreating" .... I pity you. Because your love will always, always be false. You will never love the person inside your lover, you will only ever love the outside of them and what their bodies do for you. And I'm sorry, but that's pitiful.

And I'm not saying that straight guys should love other guys or that gay guys should love women, but simply that you should love that person's soul, who they are, not what they are or what their bodies do for you.

But eh, I've said the same things a hundred times, and a hundred times I get the same nonsensical rhetoric based on your own biased opinions of what YOU THINK love is... Just once, I'd wish that you could realise that it's a person, loving another person, nothing else. Nothing else in the least.

Not a white person having sex with a black person, not an Asian person having sex with an Indian person... Not a male having sex with a male... Not a woman having sex with a woman... But two, honestly normal people, "normal" in every sense of the word, loving each other. Sex doesn't come into the question. People don't have "sex" in public, people hold hands in public, people hug and kiss in public, people cry at the airports and kiss and hold each other and say they love each other, PEOPLE. So stop thinking that every last goddamned thing is about "sex" ... The world has a LOT more interesting things about it than "sex".. And that, THAT, is your only problem. Because it "grosses" you out, because YOU find it vulgar, when, for the love of whatever it is you believe in, stop thinking about people having sex, and think about LOVE. LOVE!

The body dies, the spirit doesn't. And I'm pretty sure spirits don't have sex. And my spirit will love my fiance until the day it.... dies? :P So yes, my love is eternal. And if I end up rotting in Hell for loving him, then we rot in Hell together, but at least we'll be together.

You people that just think about sex... Wake up.

[noxibox]

Nature in order to survive and thrive needs to be ever "growing".
You're right, what are we thinking with only 6.5 billion people. We should all be having 20 children so we can get it up to a respectable figure.

[Claymore]

Not a white person having sex with a black person, not an Asian person having sex with an Indian person... Not a male having sex with a male... Not a woman having sex with a woman... But two, honestly normal people, "normal" in every sense of the word, loving each other. Sex doesn't come into the question. People don't have "sex" in public, people hold hands in public, people hug and kiss in public, people cry at the airports and kiss and hold each other and say they love each other, PEOPLE. So stop thinking that every last goddamned thing is about "sex" ... The world has a LOT more interesting things about it than "sex".. And that, THAT, is your only problem. Because it "grosses" you out, because YOU find it vulgar, when, for the love of whatever it is you believe in, stop thinking about people having sex, and think about LOVE. LOVE!

Well said!

Strangely enough, it seems to often be those who hate the thought of gays are they who also hate the thought of interracial marriages. And more importantly, it matters so much to them that they want to control whether or not *other* people are allowed to do it, wailing about "crimes against humanity", as if they have any right to speak for anyone but their own bigoted selves.

[Lycanthrope]

lol... Thank you ;) And yes, I agree with you entirely.

[Tux]

Well said!

Strangely enough, it seems to often be those who hate the thought of gays are they who also hate the thought of interracial marriages. And more importantly, it matters so much to them that they want to control whether or not *other* people are allowed to do it, wailing about "crimes against humanity", as if they have any right to speak for anyone but their own bigoted selves.

Careful, they might just have to smite you for having such "liberal pagan evolutinistic" thoughts :D

[Highflyer_GP]

You're right, what are we thinking with only 6.5 billion people. We should all be having 20 children so we can get it up to a respectable figure.
Don't mind him, he has a habit of contradicting himself when he's caught out.

If mankind is so irresponsible to overpopulate, they will in the end die out



Nature in order to survive and thrive needs to be ever "growing".
;)

PS: I&J Fishfingers given the size of our population, everybody would have to be homosexual in order for us to become extinct (and not taking into account other means of reproduction). According to the population model that follows logistical growth, the curvature of our growth would be more or less circular in nature. As the population decreases, resources needed increase, which increases the population. As the population increases, resources decrease which decreases the population. Wash, rinse, repeat. Plot y=population size, and x=resources and you get a circular curve. The predator/prey model follows a similar curve given sufficient interaction between the two. There are other factors that affect population sizes apart from sexuality. Get your mind out of the gutters

[Mr TB]

lol... Thank you ;) And yes, I agree with you entirely.
Yeah, I did not say I hate you... otherwise all these forumites hate their children because they corrected their children at a point in time?

Yeah, maybe you will still love "fynseun" when both of you rot in hell, but he then will certainly hate you...

It is all about you,... you don't care about "fynseun". You really don't mind "fynseun" rotting in hell...

[Lycanthrope]

Yeah, I did not say I hate you... otherwise all these forumites hate their children because they corrected their children at a point in time?

Yeah, maybe you will still love "fynseun" when both of you rot in hell, but he then will certainly hate you...

It is all about you,... you don't care about "fynseun". You really don't mind "fynseun" rotting in hell...

Hahahaha ;)

I love my fiance, I've said this a million times. WE would die for each other. That is love. WE. Not just me, not just him, BOTH of us. And we're really willing to risk it, thanks.


Edit: The only people who belive that anyone needs "correcting" or that anything is wrong, are you guys. And sorry to disappoint you, but I know that there is nothing with me or my fiance that needs "correcting." When will you realise that you cling to your OWN beliefs, that YOU believe in Hell, not me, not my fiance, and not a good chunk of the world's populous. So please, stop thinking that everyone fears what you believe.

[Mr TB]

If the "church" is then really that bad, why are the homosexual trying to force the "church" via law to recognise their relationships?

I do not need the recognisition of a "bad society" to build my own self -esteem... however that is exactly what the gay community are doing...

Via law apartheid made a point, via law the gay community tries to make a point...

[Lycanthrope]

If the "church" is then really that bad, why are the homosexual trying to force the "church" via law to recognise their relationships?

I do not need the recognisition of a "bad society" to build my own self -esteem... however that is exactly what the gay community are doing...

Via law apartheid made a point, via law the gay community tries to make a point...

roflmao :) Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love

Let me explain something to you real quick. I don't want to get married, I want a civil union. I do NOT need a "marriage" to tell me who I can and cannot love. I do not need your, or anyone else's acceptance. The only person whose acceptance I need, is my fiance's.

Civil Union = same thing as marriage legally, all the benefits, none of the "marriage"

I'm Pagan, will I have a wedding, yes, I will "tie the knot" symbolically, but that's all it is, symbolic, and in the eyes of my Gods.

My point for you, is that there are gay CHRISTIANS, who love Jesus, who love God and who believe with every fibre of their being that they have God inside them, and that He approves of them because He made them that way.

All that THOSE gay Christians want, is to be able to love their lovers under the eyes of God and in the eyes of the Churches that they fall under. They want acceptance.

Because while God accepts them - and don't tell me God doesn't, because again, that is YOUR opinion and the opinion of the MEN who wrote the Bible - people like you, do not. And it is THAT which they want, ACCEPTANCE and the right to believe and pray and love God without you hating or disowning them for the way God made them.

[Mr TB]

"Civil Union = same thing as marriage legally, all the benefits, none of the "marriage""

Explain to me why the state gave the benefits in the first place for those who marry, and see if a same-sex marriage qualify for the benefits...

Please don't gypo the question or try to lie...:D

[Lycanthrope]

"Civil Union = same thing as marriage legally, all the benefits, none of the "marriage""

Explain to me why the state gave the benefits in the first place for those who marry, and see if a same-sex marriage qualify for the benefits...

Please don't gypo the question or try to lie...:D

Lie? When have I ever lied? Or are you sucking nonsense out of your thumb again?

The state, or the government, gave the benefit to straight couples as well as same-sex couples because the government believes in equality (don't start the political rundown of that "equality" scheme with me).

Or are you talking about Governments that support civil union?

Either way, same-sex couples have all the rights of straight couples. We can live together, share financial responsibility, have final say over the health of our lovers and ultimately be placed as beneficiary/dependants.

I have to admit, I don't understand your question?

If you're asking why same-sex couples can't get married in countries that support "civil union" instead, it's because those same countries believe firstly that "marriage" is a partnership between male and female. Yet those same countries, also believe that gay people deserve the same rights.

So... I don't get the problem?

My point is still, people who wish to marry, have the right to marry whomever they please, male or female, black or white. Because marriage is religious, civil union is lawful. And as I said, many gay Christians want to be able to get married, the way that straight Christians can get married, in a church, in the eyes of their God.

And I could've sworn I've said this a million times.

Or can you not read and think for yourself?

[Mr TB]

It's got nothing to do with christianity,

answer the question, don't run...

Explain to me why the state gave the benefits in the first place for those who marry, and see if a same-sex marriage qualify for the benefits...

Please don't gypo the question or try to lie...:D
(Read carefully, I asked you not to lie... did not accuse of anything...)

[Lycanthrope]

It's got nothing to do with christianity,

answer the question, don't run...

Explain to me why the state gave the benefits in the first place for those who marry, and see if a same-sex marriage qualify for the benefits...

Please don't gypo the question or try to lie...:D
(Read carefully, I asked you not to lie... did not accuse of anything...)

... Let me speak in your language then, maybe you'll understand.

I are haff ixplained I self hundred time.

I are not verstaan what you are ask. Cus you no speak English.

So finally, ask the question correctly, and ask me what I have not already explained a thousand times, and I will answer it.

I have tried my best to answer and give you an opinion on everything you have asked, but if I cannot understand a question that is by all means illiterate and incomprehensible, then I am by all means incapable of answering it to your benefit.

And since I've said it 3 times already in this post, I'll say it again...

State your question in an understandable manner, and it will get an answer. I, unfortunately, don't speak Stupid well.

[Mr TB]

... Let me speak in your language then, maybe you'll understand.

I are haff ixplained I self hundred time.

I are not verstaan what you are ask. Cus you no speak English.

So finally, ask the question correctly, and ask me what I have not already explained a thousand times, and I will answer it.

I have tried my best to answer and give you an opinion on everything you have asked, but if I cannot understand a question that is by all means illiterate and incomprehensible, then I am by all means incapable of answering it to your benefit.

And since I've said it 3 times already in this post, I'll say it again...

State your question in an understandable manner, and it will get an answer. I, unfortunately, don't speak Stupid well.
Gypo'd the question, not willing to come up with the truth.

The STATE supports procreation and therefore the benefits given to married couples that you are seeking for ... unfairly.

This reason has nothing to do with the state but with survival of mankind...

INSTINCT...

Case closed....

[Highflyer_GP]

Gypo'd the question, not willing to come up with the truth.

The STATE supports procreation and therefore the benefits given to married couples that you are seeking for ... unfairly.

This reason has nothing to do with the state but with survival of mankind...

INSTINCT...

Case closed....
In case you didn't know it, gay marriage is legal. These "benefits" would then also apply to them. Stop speculating if you don't know anything - it has nothing to do with procreation and everything to do with equality.

[Pr⊕phet]

Lycanthrope
merry meet and be blessed :]]

[Mr TB]

In case you didn't know it, gay marriage is legal. These "benefits" would then also apply to them. Stop speculating if you don't know anything - it has nothing to do with procreation and everything to do with equality.
How many countries legalised gay marriages up to now HF?
Do you and the other forumites support the goverment's reform plans whole heartedly... they are stiving for equality.
I understand then that you support the actions of Robert Mugabe because he is striving for equality for his people HF.

What nonsense is this thing called equality?

[Tux]

How many countries legalised gay marriages up to now HF?
Do you and the other forumites support the goverment's reform plans whole heartedly... they are stiving for equality.
I understand then that you support the actions of Robert Mugabe because he is striving for equality for his people HF.

What nonsense is this thing called equality?

You should go read George Orwell's Animal farm. "All animals are equal, some are more equal than other"

That what you're trying to say?

[Pr⊕phet]

ag fo!!it mr tb jys soos klein skool seuntjie...

presies so L uit gepoint het - vir christians een meeste van hulle gaan trou net or SEX

die 1ste aand YAY kom ons naai soos diere - want nou kan ons en ons kon nooit voorheen nie.

het jy regtig mooi en stadig gelees wat hy daar gese het ?

ek stem 100% saam met hom dit gaan oor liefde en nie hoeveel keer kan ons nou 'legally' pomp nie.

as hy dit besef het en uitoefen is hy al klaar 1 stappie vooruit van die normale naai-getroude-honde waarmee ons moet saam leef wat nie eers hulle basiese drange kan beheer nie...

[Mr TB]

ag fo!!it mr tb jys soos klein skool seuntjie...

presies so L uit gepoint het - vir christians een meeste van hulle gaan trou net or SEX

die 1ste aand YAY kom ons naai soos diere - want nou kan ons en ons kon nooit voorheen nie.

het jy regtig mooi en stadig gelees wat hy daar gese het ?

ek stem 100% saam met hom dit gaan oor liefde en nie hoeveel keer kan ons nou 'legally' pomp nie.

as hy dit besef het en uitoefen is hy al klaar 1 stappie vooruit van die normale naai-getroude-honde waarmee ons moet saam leef wat nie eers hulle basiese drange kan beheer nie...
Oe, dit klink na 'n lekke ding daai,
gaan hom nou sam met lunch traai...

[Pr⊕phet]

well at least was die rooi 3 letter woord eye catching hehehe ;)

[Mr TB]

yes

[Claymore]

If the "church" is then really that bad, why are the homosexual trying to force the "church" via law to recognise their relationships?

Personally, I don't believe that a church should be forced by law to conduct gay marriages if that goes against their beliefs. But I do believe that a gay marriage, in law, should be equal to a heterosexual marriage. I also believe that civil marriage officers should not be excused from conducting gay marriages because of their beliefs; they are in the employ of the state, and should be required to do their jobs.

[Claymore]

"Civil Union = same thing as marriage legally, all the benefits, none of the "marriage""

Explain to me why the state gave the benefits in the first place for those who marry, and see if a same-sex marriage qualify for the benefits...


Marriage, from a legal standpoint, gives the following benefits:
-right to inheritance
-medical insurance coverage
-adoption
-access to wrongful death claims
-bereavement leave
-tax advantages
-post-divorce rights
-custody

I can't see why a same-sex marriage shouldn't qualify; none of those points seem opposed to same-sex unions.

[Claymore]

The STATE supports procreation and therefore the benefits given to married couples that you are seeking for ... unfairly.

This reason has nothing to do with the state but with survival of mankind...

INSTINCT...

Case closed....

Proof? How does the state "support procreation" by means of marriage?

[Mr TB]

Proof? How does the state "support procreation" by means of marriage?
Oh yes, provide proof that my claims concerning radiometic dating is wrong...
Did you notice the post in Darwin v. Creationism?

[The Cosmos]

ummm mary and joseph was very able....

but didn't

Wrong. Early in the gospels there is referred to Christ's brothers and sisters. And no, it's not in a spiritual sense.

[The Cosmos]

Not a white person having sex with a black person, not an Asian person having sex with an Indian person... Not a male having sex with a male... Not a woman having sex with a woman... But two, honestly normal people, "normal" in every sense of the word, loving each other. Sex doesn't come into the question. People don't have "sex" in public, people hold hands in public, people hug and kiss in public, people cry at the airports and kiss and hold each other and say they love each other, PEOPLE. So stop thinking that every last goddamned thing is about "sex" ... The world has a LOT more interesting things about it than "sex".. And that, THAT, is your only problem. Because it "grosses" you out, because YOU find it vulgar, when, for the love of whatever it is you believe in, stop thinking about people having sex, and think about LOVE. LOVE!

This is NOT about love. Transgressing the laws of nature is NOT love.


The body dies, the spirit doesn't. And I'm pretty sure spirits don't have sex. And my spirit will love my fiance until the day it.... dies? :P So yes, my love is eternal. And if I end up rotting in Hell for loving him, then we rot in Hell together, but at least we'll be together.

At least you are prepared to face the consequences. I'll give you that.

[The Cosmos]

How many times have you done 'the deed'?

How many kids do you have?

What has this got to do with anything ?

[Nick333]

What has this got to do with anything ?

Well if gay sex is sinful because it doesn't lead to procreation, surely no sex is just as sinful. In fact any sex that isn't for the sake of procreation must be sinful .

[Mr TB]

What has this got to do with anything ?
Assumption:

"The act of homosexuality is sinful because it does not lead to procreation"

Don't be obtuse and ignorant it is not the claim...
God clearly state gay sex is sin His Word, so gay sex is disobedience to God that is the main reason why it is sin...
Disobedience is sin ...

[Claymore]

Oh yes, provide proof that my claims concerning radiometic dating is wrong...
Did you notice the post in Darwin v. Creationism?

I don't see how this relates to the state supporting procreation...

[Claymore]

God clearly state gay sex is sin His Word, so gay sex is disobedience to God that is the main reason why it is sin...
Disobedience is sin ...

Well, in that case, how about you conservative religious people stop bnothering everyone else about it...

[The Cosmos]

Assumption:

"The act of homosexuality is sinful because it does not lead to procreation"

Don't be obtuse and ignorant it is not the claim...
God clearly state gay sex is sin His Word, so gay sex is disobedience to God that is the main reason why it is sin...
Disobedience is sin ...

Not sure, if you are directing this at me, but i'll answer anyway. I know it's sin. But they don't understand that. So, i have to use another method/angle.

[Mr TB]

Not sure, if you are directing this at me, but i'll answer anyway. I know it's sin. But they don't understand that. So, i have to use another method/angle.
No IJ not directed at you,... Claymore tells us leave gay marriages alone...
Ok Claymore let creationism then be taught in schools... same request...

[Claymore]

No IJ not directed at you,... Claymore tells us leave gay marriages alone...
Ok Claymore let creationism then be taught in schools... same request...

I'm perfectly happy for creationism to be taught in schools, in comparative religion classes.

[Lycanthrope]

Lycanthrope
merry meet and be blessed :]]

Merry Meet and brightest blessings to you too ;)

Glad to see I'm not alone in this wonderous void of narrow-minded rhetoric.

I value what you said :) It made me smile :) Thank you :)

Now... for my fun:


This is NOT about love. Transgressing the laws of nature is NOT love.

lol... Uhuh, and "loving" isn't natural, being born gay/straight/bi isn't natural, being born human isn't natural...

This whole idea of yours of what Nature is makes me laugh ;) You think Nature is that little thing in your skull which makes you biased? Nah, those are your thoughts, your ideas and your opinions. Your opinion on what nature is, isn't Nature.

You think in your tiny little box. You think the mosquito drinks blood, irritates animals and humans alike, and then dies. That's accurate, right?

Answer: Yes

The mosquito also drinks blood, infects with malaria, kills humans, dead human, dead mosquito. Accurate?

Answer: Yes

Now, let's look at the surrounding consequences and circumstances. Nature created malaria, malaria is a part of Nature, therefore the mosquito, which is also a part of Nature, enacted Nature's will, as that was what Nature intended it to do. Just as the malaria enacted Nature's will as well, as again, that was what Nature intended it to do.

And just as you are a little self-righteous bigot, Nature intended you to be that way. Just as I am, and was born gay, that too, is as Nature intended, whatever reason, that reason is being enacted, as that is Nature's will. Again, I am me, no one else. I love my fiance, because that is natural to me, and again, what is natural to me, might not be natural to you.

So, get over yourself and stop professing to know "the laws of Nature" when the only true law of Nature is Balance in all things.

Next Point:


Not sure, if you are directing this at me, but i'll answer anyway. I know it's sin. But they don't understand that. So, i have to use another method/angle.

You, as a self-delusional Christian who sees Christianity and God through your own eyes and the eyes of your other self-righteous "God is the way I want Him to be" way, WOULD believe it's a sin, because that is what you WANT to believe. And this is where the humour comes in, I am Pagan, not Christian, I do not "sin" becaus I am not a Christian, "sinning" is a Christian term, and it does not apply to me.

Evils? Cruelty? Those do apply to me, and I practice none. For I, am not evil, yet you, and your self-righteous hatred and disgust, however, is.

As for Mr_TB:


How many countries legalised gay marriages up to now HF?
Do you and the other forumites support the goverment's reform plans whole heartedly... they are stiving for equality.
I understand then that you support the actions of Robert Mugabe because he is striving for equality for his people HF.

What nonsense is this thing called equality?

Poor boy, this is obviously a bit over your head. And I apologise for not responding earlier, but life unfortunately called.

Equality, in the words of Helen Zille: "It is a pity that the majority of the Anglican Church (and in its official stance) does not share Russell’s noble sentiments. It’s quite ironic that the representative of the Dutch Reformed Church, a denomination with some of the most “verkrampte” members in the world, has gone further than all the other churches and recommended to the Home Affairs Committee that parliament should implement equal marriage rights as the Constitutional Court had stipulated, instead of the Civil Union Bill that the ANC government wants to push through. Miracles still happen!"

But that doesn't matter. You think that gay people are like Mugabe huh? Fine, then you're like Hussein.

[Highflyer_GP]

And George Bush = Boy George. So don't piss the homos off MrTB, we all know what happened to Hussein :p

[The Cosmos]

lol... Uhuh, and "loving" isn't natural, being born gay/straight/bi isn't natural, being born human isn't natural...

What on earth are you on about ?



This whole idea of yours of what Nature is makes me laugh ;) You think Nature is that little thing in your skull which makes you biased? Nah, those are your thoughts, your ideas and your opinions. Your opinion on what nature is, isn't Nature.

Contrary to your belief, that is how nature works, and is. You just do what you want, and make your own rules. I know you are protected by our so-called constitution, but just because it's law doesn't make it right. Affirmative action as an example, as well.


You think in your tiny little box. You think the mosquito drinks blood, irritates animals and humans alike, and then dies. That's accurate, right?

Answer: Yes

The mosquito also drinks blood, infects with malaria, kills humans, dead human, dead mosquito. Accurate?

Answer: Yes

Now, let's look at the surrounding consequences and circumstances. Nature created malaria, malaria is a part of Nature, therefore the mosquito, which is also a part of Nature, enacted Nature's will, as that was what Nature intended it to do. Just as the malaria enacted Nature's will as well, as again, that was what Nature intended it to do.

It's funny that you use that analogy, because homosexuality is the malaria of human kind. It's toxic, and kills as well.


And just as you are a little self-righteous bigot, Nature intended you to be that way. Just as I am, and was born gay, that too, is as Nature intended, whatever reason, that reason is being enacted, as that is Nature's will. Again, I am me, no one else. I love my fiance, because that is natural to me, and again, what is natural to me, might not be natural to you.

You say i'm a bigot ? Thank you. Are you resorting to name calling now ? And please don't give me that, i'm born gay nonsense. There is no scientific evidence for that. True reliable science will make any of your claims, or references to any site, a sad joke.


So, get over yourself and stop professing to know "the laws of Nature" when the only true law of Nature is Balance in all things.

Yes balance. Male and female is natural or balance. You unbalance it. Get a clue.


You, as a self-delusional Christian who sees Christianity and God through your own eyes and the eyes of your other self-righteous "God is the way I want Him to be" way, WOULD believe it's a sin, because that is what you WANT to believe. And this is where the humour comes in, I am Pagan, not Christian, I do not "sin" becaus I am not a Christian, "sinning" is a Christian term, and it does not apply to me.

self-delusional? more name calling ?


Evils? Cruelty? Those do apply to me, and I practice none. For I, am not evil, yet you, and your self-righteous hatred and disgust, however, is.

So, you do what you want, and me opposing you, call me a hater. How cute. :rolleyes:

[Lycanthrope]

lol :) I've proven myself, and my point. I have nothing left to say, and thank you for proving my point for me ;)

[The Cosmos]

Yeah well, that's a way to end a debate now, isn't it ? :rolleyes: You have proven nothing.

[Claymore]

It's funny that you use that analogy, because homosexuality is the malaria of human kind. It's toxic, and kills as well.

How do you figure that one?


And please don't give me that, i'm born gay nonsense. There is no scientific evidence for that. True reliable science will make any of your claims, or references to any site, a sad joke.

Actually, there's been a lot of research lately indicating that people are actually born gay. Personally, I'm inclined to think it's due more to hormones in the womb than genetics. It's certainly not a "choice", any more than it's a "choice" for you to be heterosexual.

BTW, I thought you were anti-science? Or is science only your friend when it supports your views?

[Lycanthrope]

Yeah well, that's a way to end a debate now, isn't it ? :rolleyes: You have proven nothing.

Really? Strange, I thought that by saying that the sky is blue during clear days, having someone not only say that the sky is green, but also prove that he is entirely incompetant is proving a wonderful point... But alright.

Either way, if you want to believe that the sky is green, then go wild, it doesn't bother me in the least to be honest. I just feel... sad for you? **awaits sob story response in regard to me being "sad" for you**

I suppose you're probably a very nice person, Internet_Junkie, just very lonely and perhaps you find life difficult because you just see things you don't like all around you. I honestly wish you wouldn't, and for a minute would see that the world around you isn't so bad.

Eh, it doesn't matter, you're going to bounce everything I say off anyway because that's all you can do to feel good about yourself... But that's fine, it's what makes you happy.

The only thing I have left to say about any of this... Is that I chose to be gay, the same day that you chose to be straight. Sad, really, that that means nothing to you. **awaits another sob story comment in response to me saying the word "sad" in reference to you**

P.S. I used "malaria" for a reason ;) Only a very young child would put a potato and an apple together and say they're the same thing ;) It's how the brain works more often than not - taking any idea that you personally believe corroborates your beliefs as a show of hope that it might just be that way. Unfortunately, for you, at least, a potato and an apple will never be the same thing, no matter how hard you believe.

[Mr TB]

Merry Meet and brightest blessings to you too ;)

Glad to see I'm not alone in this wonderous void of narrow-minded rhetoric.

I value what you said :) It made me smile :) Thank you :)

Now... for my fun:



lol... Uhuh, and "loving" isn't natural, being born gay/straight/bi isn't natural, being born human isn't natural...

This whole idea of yours of what Nature is makes me laugh ;) You think Nature is that little thing in your skull which makes you biased? Nah, those are your thoughts, your ideas and your opinions. Your opinion on what nature is, isn't Nature.

You think in your tiny little box. You think the mosquito drinks blood, irritates animals and humans alike, and then dies. That's accurate, right?

Answer: Yes

The mosquito also drinks blood, infects with malaria, kills humans, dead human, dead mosquito. Accurate?

Answer: Yes

Now, let's look at the surrounding consequences and circumstances. Nature created malaria, malaria is a part of Nature, therefore the mosquito, which is also a part of Nature, enacted Nature's will, as that was what Nature intended it to do. Just as the malaria enacted Nature's will as well, as again, that was what Nature intended it to do.

And just as you are a little self-righteous bigot, Nature intended you to be that way. Just as I am, and was born gay, that too, is as Nature intended, whatever reason, that reason is being enacted, as that is Nature's will. Again, I am me, no one else. I love my fiance, because that is natural to me, and again, what is natural to me, might not be natural to you.

So, get over yourself and stop professing to know "the laws of Nature" when the only true law of Nature is Balance in all things.

Next Point:



You, as a self-delusional Christian who sees Christianity and God through your own eyes and the eyes of your other self-righteous "God is the way I want Him to be" way, WOULD believe it's a sin, because that is what you WANT to believe. And this is where the humour comes in, I am Pagan, not Christian, I do not "sin" becaus I am not a Christian, "sinning" is a Christian term, and it does not apply to me.

Evils? Cruelty? Those do apply to me, and I practice none. For I, am not evil, yet you, and your self-righteous hatred and disgust, however, is.

As for Mr_TB:



Poor boy, this is obviously a bit over your head. And I apologise for not responding earlier, but life unfortunately called.

Equality, in the words of Helen Zille: "It is a pity that the majority of the Anglican Church (and in its official stance) does not share Russell’s noble sentiments. It’s quite ironic that the representative of the Dutch Reformed Church, a denomination with some of the most “verkrampte” members in the world, has gone further than all the other churches and recommended to the Home Affairs Committee that parliament should implement equal marriage rights as the Constitutional Court had stipulated, instead of the Civil Union Bill that the ANC government wants to push through. Miracles still happen!"

But that doesn't matter. You think that gay people are like Mugabe huh? Fine, then you're like Hussein.
Did Helen Zille quote an atheist to correct the Church, not that I support the views of such church...?

My, my, next time my vote certainly goes to the ANC.

No one has answered the question on the legilisation of same-sex marriages yet?

Not only the biblical view but the world view is that same-sex marriages is immoral. Christianity are being populiarised. Forcing Christianity to change the biblical view on same-sex marriages, will then change the world view on this subject same-sex marriages.

Their is as you can see a hidden agenda behind the gay community's sudden thrust for recognition in the church. They wish to change the world view via the church.

[geekchick]

@Neucona and Lycanthrope

Merry Meet
1.We have all the legal rights of straight people now- our rights are written into the constitution-legalised by the goverment of the day- so that fight has been won.

2.As pagans - we dont believe in the concept of hell and Satan- so that little debate also is to no avail

3. You will never be able to have a decent debate with MR TB-aka DouwDouw-
ur time is better spend elsewhere -

[Lycanthrope]

Wow :) Hello geekchick :) Pleasure to make your acquaintance :) Nice to know that nonsense can still bring some good out of it and allow people to meet ^.^

I want to bring something to your attention Mr_TB, and your rather superfluous perspective: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage The majority if the world ACCEPTS same-sex marriage and/or same-sex union or same-sex couples. Apologies to disappoint you.

Also, Mr_TB, the ANC approved Gay Marriage last year ;) Sorry ;)

And while I understand that having a decent debate with Mr_TB/DouwDouw is impossible, only due (hopefully) to his inability to communicate efficiently, I still find it... enjoyable. ^.^

But as I said in my previous two posts, I've had my say, and said my say. And a debate is not something where one person goes in listening and another goes in shouting, a debate is where people enter into a discussion open-mindedly and accepting of the conversation for their own betterment and the betterment of others.

I'm proud to say I've learnt that people such as these aren't to be hated, that they have their own fears and misconceptions of what we are, how we are and who we are. And I hope, that if nothing else, I've at least shown them that we are human, and nothing else. But somehow I think that part eluded them... Perhaps it's something that they need to learn in their own time and at their own pace.

Either way, this discussion is over for me because I've begun repeating myself and answering the exact same questions with the exact same perspective. And that makes this redundant and uninspiring.

Each to their own. These archaic mindsets will wither and wear in time, as if it isn't already.

As I've said before, I'm proud of who I am, I'm proud of what I am, I'm proud of my beliefs, my standing in life, and I'm incredibly proud of my lover. There is nothing more that I want from life than to grow old and die a ripe old prune with him ;)

To one and all...

Blessed Be

[Neo]

God clearly state gay sex is sin His Word, so gay sex is disobedience to God that is the main reason why it is sin...
Disobedience is sin ...


OK, fine. Gay sex is sin because God states this in Levi and disobeying God is sin. I accept your viewpoint (although I obviously don't agree).

It therefore follows that disobeying every of the other 610 laws stated must also be sin.

So, why don't you obey your God in all these other laws? How can you decide which of God's laws you can disobey and which not?

I've asked numerous times here for you, prom or I&J to give us the references where it states which laws have been abolished by God. But, of course, you've never answered me as you well know there is no such instruction from God. Even Jesus said the laws should be upheld.

So, again, how can you decide to agree with God on some of his laws but not others?

What gives you the right to decide on behalf of God what is valid or not valid?

You have a few options here:

1) Give us the list which laws are still valid and which ones not. With references from the bible.
2) State that you know better than God. Which obviously makes your worship of him a mockery.
3) State that you actually do follow all of God's laws. Which of course is not true as you, as an example, don't honour the sabbath.
4) State that you're actually not interested in following your God's laws, but rather just use the ones that fit your personal phobias and agendas.

The only logical conclusion is 4; You're not a true believer and follower and only use God and Christianity to further your own agenda.

Please prove me wrong.

[FlyingPika]

OK, fine. Gay sex is sin because God states this in Levi and disobeying God is sin. I accept your viewpoint (although I obviously don't agree).

It therefore follows that disobeying every of the other 610 laws stated must also be sin.
Well state some laws that you think we disregard now and I will to put them in context for you.

[Neo]

Well state some laws that you think we disregard now and I will to put them in context for you.

Obviously all the killing ones, you know where various people that committed various sins should be killed. Gays, fornicators, adulterers, incestors (is that a word?), etc.

Then the simpler dietary ones.

Observing the Sabbath, for example. We know if you just pick up sticks you can be killed. Where does that leave all the other stuff you do on a sabbath?

A taxi driver in Tel-Aviv told me the other day they observe 610 laws from the OT, so those same ones would apply.

And please, if you want to refute them, show me where God did so. Not your personal view on them.

[Mr TB]

Wow :) Hello geekchick :) Pleasure to make your acquaintance :) Nice to know that nonsense can still bring some good out of it and allow people to meet ^.^

I want to bring something to your attention Mr_TB, and your rather superfluous perspective: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage The majority if the world ACCEPTS same-sex marriage and/or same-sex union or same-sex couples. Apologies to disappoint you.

Also, Mr_TB, the ANC approved Gay Marriage last year ;) Sorry ;)

And while I understand that having a decent debate with Mr_TB/DouwDouw is impossible, only due (hopefully) to his inability to communicate efficiently, I still find it... enjoyable. ^.^

But as I said in my previous two posts, I've had my say, and said my say. And a debate is not something where one person goes in listening and another goes in shouting, a debate is where people enter into a discussion open-mindedly and accepting of the conversation for their own betterment and the betterment of others.

I'm proud to say I've learnt that people such as these aren't to be hated, that they have their own fears and misconceptions of what we are, how we are and who we are. And I hope, that if nothing else, I've at least shown them that we are human, and nothing else. But somehow I think that part eluded them... Perhaps it's something that they need to learn in their own time and at their own pace.

Either way, this discussion is over for me because I've begun repeating myself and answering the exact same questions with the exact same perspective. And that makes this redundant and uninspiring.

Each to their own. These archaic mindsets will wither and wear in time, as if it isn't already.

As I've said before, I'm proud of who I am, I'm proud of what I am, I'm proud of my beliefs, my standing in life, and I'm incredibly proud of my lover. There is nothing more that I want from life than to grow old and die a ripe old prune with him ;)

To one and all...

Blessed Be
Lycanthrope, same-sex marriage is only acceptable once it is legalised in a countries laws.

So without gypoing the question again and showing that the worldview is not supportive of same-sex marriages...

How many countries did legalise such marriages, yes and I know South Africa is one of the ....oeps... nearly gave the answer away!

[Tux]

Lycanthrope, same-sex marriage is only acceptable once it is legalised in a countries laws.

So without gypoing the question again and showing that the worldview is not supportive of same-sex marriages...

How many countries did legalise such marriages, yes and I know South Africa is one of the ....oeps... nearly gave the answer away!

So? YOUR country legalized it. What are you griping about then? It's acceptable mos now.

[noxibox]

Obviously all the killing ones, you know where various people that committed various sins should be killed. Gays, fornicators, adulterers, incestors (is that a word?), etc.
Don't forget disobedient children.

[noxibox]

I will to put them in context for you
The old context trick. If it agrees with your prejudices, then it is in context, otherwise it is not.

[Lycanthrope]

Lycanthrope, same-sex marriage is only acceptable once it is legalised in a countries laws.

So without gypoing the question again and showing that the worldview is not supportive of same-sex marriages...

How many countries did legalise such marriages, yes and I know South Africa is one of the ....oeps... nearly gave the answer away!

As Gru said, in South Africa it is legal. And perhaps you didn't notice, for a country to accept something, the people have to want to have it be accepted, thus, it was accepted in those countries.

Countries where marriage/civil unions aren't legalised, it is still accepted. The only countries where there is gay-bashing of severity is in the Middle East, the same place women get stoned for showing their faces or, godforbid, their ankles. So again, Middle East and mostly-black countries... Anything else?

So the only point you're making is that you're in a critical state of primitive mentality.

By the way, how many aliases do you have? I couldn't help but go through FlyingPika's posts and notice a few discrepancies between the two of you. So, you're DouwDouw, Mr_TB and FlyingPika. You know, if you're schitzo, you can really tell us, it would explain a lot.

You still haven't responded to Neo. He asked you what other commands and laws the Bible state that you should follow, and you obviously don't. Do you flog your wife? Sell your daughter into slavery? Do you eat pork? And I know there are hundreds others that I can't remember. If you don't do that, why are you so virtuous about gay people? Ah.. yes... it's called selective thinking. You take what you want, and forget the rest, of course, why should the rest be important? We can overlook that, after all, can't we?

I've become so tired of this thread. No, not of this thread. Of stupidity. It's like explaining the sun and moon to someone who lives in a cave. Describing Mozart or Beethoven to someone who was born deaf... Or even a sunset to someone that was born blind. The difference is, the deaf and blind, they have no choice. The hermit has the choice of coming out of his cave.

Pity though, the hermit will always be afraid of falling into the sky, because it's something he doesn't understand and doesn't want to.

You will always be there in your cave Mr_TB, around the solid floors and walls that you are comfortable with, with the darkness that will always protect you from the outside world and the fear of that big open sky.

I feel sorry for children who lose their ignorance... That was the one thing everyone shared... We were all raised ignorant, in a world surrounded by fuzzy toys and innocent thoughts. We didn't know about sex, or politics, we didn't know about angels and devils... We didn't know that there will always be people who are or might be biased against us... Nor did we know we would be picked on. We were innocent and then we learnt. "And I gave my heart to know wisdom, madness and folly" .. Remember that?

The difference between you and I Mr_TB, I grew out of that ignorance, I was forced into the "real world" because I was gay, because I "didn't know any better." I grew up with loving parents who cared (and still do) about me dearly. And then I learnt from people like you, that being me "is wrong." And I hated myself for that. I hate that I wasn't like anyone else. I even tried to kill myself a few times because I hated myself that much.

Then I realised something... Why should I hate myself? I am the way I was made, and I was made perfectly in the eyes of my Gods, in the eyes of your God, for that is how He/They wanted me made. There is nothing wrong with me, the only thing that's wrong, is that those people couldn't accept that I was different, that I was human. And so what?

I have nothing to prove to anyone. I hated myself long enough for everyone ;) And there's nothing you, or your mindless beliefs can do to me anymore. Because I know that you are wrong :) You, hypocrite that eats pork, fool that doesn't beat his wife, insolent mongrel that refuses to sell is daughter into trade. You, barbarian that will not take the mouldy bread to the priest to lock away. Because you, Mr_TB, are not evil... And nor is Internet_Junkie... Merely lonely souls without something to make you smile... Except that gay guy on the MyADSL forum, because you "read it in a book" that "he's evil" so that's the only certaintly you think you have ;)

That's why I'm happy Mr_TB... Because I learnt ;) Because I'm not ignorant. Because Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, because I know :)

And... I enjoy talking with you Mr_TB, and I enjoy talking with Internet_Junkie... Because you two are sweet, and friendly, just... unhappy.

[Mr TB]

As Gru said, in South Africa it is legal. And perhaps you didn't notice, for a country to accept something, the people have to want to have it be accepted, thus, it was accepted in those countries.

Countries where marriage/civil unions aren't legalised, it is still accepted. The only countries where there is gay-bashing of severity is in the Middle East, the same place women get stoned for showing their faces or, godforbid, their ankles. So again, Middle East and mostly-black countries... Anything else?

So the only point you're making is that you're in a critical state of primitive mentality.

By the way, how many aliases do you have? I couldn't help but go through FlyingPika's posts and notice a few discrepancies between the two of you. So, you're DouwDouw, Mr_TB and FlyingPika. You know, if you're schitzo, you can really tell us, it would explain a lot.

You still haven't responded to Neo. He asked you what other commands and laws the Bible state that you should follow, and you obviously don't. Do you flog your wife? Sell your daughter into slavery? Do you eat pork? And I know there are hundreds others that I can't remember. If you don't do that, why are you so virtuous about gay people? Ah.. yes... it's called selective thinking. You take what you want, and forget the rest, of course, why should the rest be important? We can overlook that, after all, can't we?

I've become so tired of this thread. No, not of this thread. Of stupidity. It's like explaining the sun and moon to someone who lives in a cave. Describing Mozart or Beethoven to someone who was born deaf... Or even a sunset to someone that was born blind. The difference is, the deaf and blind, they have no choice. The hermit has the choice of coming out of his cave.

Pity though, the hermit will always be afraid of falling into the sky, because it's something he doesn't understand and doesn't want to.

You will always be there in your cave Mr_TB, around the solid floors and walls that you are comfortable with, with the darkness that will always protect you from the outside world and the fear of that big open sky.

I feel sorry for children who lose their ignorance... That was the one thing everyone shared... We were all raised ignorant, in a world surrounded by fuzzy toys and innocent thoughts. We didn't know about sex, or politics, we didn't know about angels and devils... We didn't know that there will always be people who are or might be biased against us... Nor did we know we would be picked on. We were innocent and then we learnt. "And I gave my heart to know wisdom, madness and folly" .. Remember that?

The difference between you and I Mr_TB, I grew out of that ignorance, I was forced into the "real world" because I was gay, because I "didn't know any better." I grew up with loving parents who cared (and still do) about me dearly. And then I learnt from people like you, that being me "is wrong." And I hated myself for that. I hate that I wasn't like anyone else. I even tried to kill myself a few times because I hated myself that much.

Then I realised something... Why should I hate myself? I am the way I was made, and I was made perfectly in the eyes of my Gods, in the eyes of your God, for that is how He/They wanted me made. There is nothing wrong with me, the only thing that's wrong, is that those people couldn't accept that I was different, that I was human. And so what?

I have nothing to prove to anyone. I hated myself long enough for everyone ;) And there's nothing you, or your mindless beliefs can do to me anymore. Because I know that you are wrong :) You, hypocrite that eats pork, fool that doesn't beat his wife, insolent mongrel that refuses to sell is daughter into trade. You, barbarian that will not take the mouldy bread to the priest to lock away. Because you, Mr_TB, are not evil... And nor is Internet_Junkie... Merely lonely souls without something to make you smile... Except that gay guy on the MyADSL forum, because you "read it in a book" that "he's evil" so that's the only certaintly you think you have ;)

That's why I'm happy Mr_TB... Because I learnt ;) Because I'm not ignorant. Because Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, because I know :)

And... I enjoy talking with you Mr_TB, and I enjoy talking with Internet_Junkie... Because you two are sweet, and friendly, just... unhappy.
Why are you suddenly hiding behind FP M8, did I hit the nail on the in saying that the homosexual community is trying to use the church to give respectability to their actions? Was I somewhere along the line accused of being evil?
Evil because I do not accept the act of homosexuality? I accept gays not gay sex... there is a difference...
Luckily I do not believe I called you a hypocrite, a barbarian, a mongrel(do you hit "fynseun"...shame), neither did I show ignorance of ANE. I don't think I ever called you a fool... and God? He is the God of the food that I eat, so not eating pork is hypocritical... Read Galations properly...

I have plenty of sympathy for you LYNCANTHROPE, unhappy? yes but for you.
Oh yes 5 countries legalised same-sex marriages.
South Africa is the first to do so in Africa...
edit:MR TB only name , DouwDouw I can't use because I was banned...

[Lycanthrope]

This is around the 8th time I've had to say this to you Mr_TB, and I'll say it again. READ WHAT I WROTE. DON'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.

Edit: Oh, and before I let this slide again, please note how you've ignored everything that has been said about the Bible and how you've proven my point about your selective thinking. Thanks ;)

[Tux]

I have plenty of sympathy for you LYNCANTHROPE, unhappy? yes but for you.
Oh yes 5 countries legalised same-sex marriages.
South Africa is the first to do so in Africa...


It's scary that you know exactly how many there are? Did you intend to get married in one of them? I'm pretty sure that most gay people dont even know that

[Tux]

Some of these people remind me of a guy I used to know. Rabid gaybasher for as long as i've known him. Turns out in the end he did it because he was scared of coming out of the closet.
Today he's happy in a longterm relationship with another guy

Seeing how dodo and I&J froths around the mouth about the fscking moffies reminds me a lot of that.

So now I'm wondering, are the 2 of you too scared to come out of the closet or what?

[Lycanthrope]

P.S. Mr_TB, now that you know how many are in debate and accept same-sex marriage, this is how many support and accept Civil Unions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union

It helps when you read things up Mr_TB, those assumptions you make are brilliantly lacking.

[Lycanthrope]

Some of these people remind me of a guy I used to know. Rabid gaybasher for as long as i've known him. Turns out in the end he did it because he was scared of coming out of the closet.
Today he's happy in a longterm relationship with another guy

Seeing how dodo and I&J froths around the mouth about the fscking moffies reminds me a lot of that.

So now I'm wondering, are the 2 of you too scared to come out of the closet or what?

roflmao :P I wouldn't go that far, these two would be an insult to the gay community XD

[Tux]

One thing about working with gay people, I picked up a lot of the slang they use. And they would be Dora, Cora and Nora

[Lycanthrope]

**searches for dictionary** >.> Somehow I feel unenlightened XD

Edit: Scratch that... Been enlightened. Wooo... I feel in touch with my gayness XD

[Tux]

*enlightment sent via PM* :D

[The Cosmos]

How do you figure that one?

i explained this in previous posts.


BTW, I thought you were anti-science? Or is science only your friend when it supports your views?

I am anti bad science. As i said there is good and bad science.

[Tux]

i explained this in previous posts.



I am anti bad science. As i said there is good and bad science.

Good science being anything that fits with your view of how things should be or that get promoted by your neo-nazi sources/webpages?

[Mr TB]

This is around the 8th time I've had to say this to you Mr_TB, and I'll say it again. READ WHAT I WROTE. DON'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.

Edit: Oh, and before I let this slide again, please note how you've ignored everything that has been said about the Bible and how you've proven my point about your selective thinking. Thanks ;)

"As Gru said, in South Africa it is legal. And perhaps you didn't notice, for a country to accept something, the people have to want to have it be accepted, thus, it was accepted in those countries."

Being a bit naughty now, but who is your people, the minority that want to accept apartheid in 1961 or the majority that passed a law in your favor?

You can legalise theft like they did in Zimbabwe, it stays theft...

[Nick333]

"As Gru said, in South Africa it is legal. And perhaps you didn't notice, for a country to accept something, the people have to want to have it be accepted, thus, it was accepted in those countries."

Being a bit naughty now, but who is your people, the minority that want to accept apartheid in 1961 or the majority that passed a law in your favor?

You can legalise theft like they did in Zimbabwe, it stays theft...

No Bub, thats why we have a constitution - the majority doesn't get to deprive a minority of its constitutional rights. So its got sweet fcckall to do with what the people want.

Dodo I've got to say: good for you bro'. You never let a little thing like complete and utter ignorance of anything to do with the issues stop you from speaking your mind.

[Lycanthrope]

"As Gru said, in South Africa it is legal. And perhaps you didn't notice, for a country to accept something, the people have to want to have it be accepted, thus, it was accepted in those countries."

Being a bit naughty now, but who is your people, the minority that want to accept apartheid in 1961 or the majority that passed a law in your favor?

You can legalise theft like they did in Zimbabwe, it stays theft...

Read what I said in my last rather lengthy post. It might be of use to you if you read.

If you say that being gay is wrong, there'll be all the gays, and still more than half of all straight people that disagree ;)

[Tux]

"As Gru said, in South Africa it is legal. And perhaps you didn't notice, for a country to accept something, the people have to want to have it be accepted, thus, it was accepted in those countries."

Being a bit naughty now, but who is your people, the minority that want to accept apartheid in 1961 or the majority that passed a law in your favor?

You can legalise theft like they did in Zimbabwe, it stays theft...

That whole post is a study in complete and utter senility. You even contradict yourself in the space of a single sentence.

It's getting clear to me that you don't really have a thing to say in this thread, you just post for the sake of posting.

[Mr TB]

"If you say that being gay is wrong, there'll be all the gays, and still more than half of all straight people that disagree "

Let us clarify this , did I say gay is wrong
or
did I say GAY SEX is wrong

[Highflyer_GP]

Who the fsck are you to judge what other people do in their personal lives as wrong?

[Mr TB]

Who the fsck are you to judge what other people do in their personal lives as wrong?
Are you offended?
It is a free country and I am allowed to give my opinion.
Are you the Judge to decide who says what in the threads loverboy?
Try and be the change in the world you want others to be...

[Highflyer_GP]

Are you offended?
It is a free country and I am allowed to give my opinion.
Are you the Judge to decide who says what in the threads loverboy?

Yes you are entitled to your belief and opinion.

You are NOT entitled to impose it on anyone, which is what you seem to be trying to do with the huge multicoloured fonts

[Lycanthrope]

"If you say that being gay is wrong, there'll be all the gays, and still more than half of all straight people that disagree "

Let us clarify this , did I say gay is wrong
or
did I say GAY SEX is wrong

And what the HELL do you think gay people do? Do you think we sit in a tree smiling all day? Or do you think we make love.. MAKE LOVE? We do not fsck, we do not just "have sex" we MAKE LOVE.

It's that simple. I'm sorry if you don't agree or if you don't like that, but, welcome to the real world where people are intimate. That TOO is a human characteristic, that TOO is something people do to show their love for each other. AND THAT is the ultimate sacrifice right next to dying and living for the person you love - giving your EVERYTHING to your lover, your HEART, MIND, BODY AND SOUL! Otherwise, IT IS NOT LOVE. It is a fallacy created by your own personal indignation and shame.

And I AM NOT ASHAMED OF MY LOVER, OR MYSELF, OR WHAT I AM, OR WHAT MY LOVER IS.

And I pity you that you are so narrow-minded. Get over yourself, and FAST.

[Lycanthrope]

Yes you are entitled to your belief and opinion.

You are NOT entitled to impose it on anyone, which is what you seem to be trying to do with the huge multicoloured fonts

Yes, those fonts annoy the hell out of me... I apologise for using them as well, but... I needed to get a point across and it seems that Mr_TB only understands large font that he can read.

Disclaimer: I apologise to all near-blind people in the world.

[Highflyer_GP]

That's not going to help, dodo only seems to understand stupid. Just ask I&J and TheD00sMan.

Maybe you can like to try and are speak on his level if you can like him to want to understand you :/

[raoul]

/me eagerly awaiting a much brighter, size 64 font. dont disappoint me Mr. TB.

[Mr TB]

Yes you are entitled to your belief and opinion.

You are NOT entitled to impose it on anyone, which is what you seem to be trying to do with the huge multicoloured fonts
Your vocabulary is equal to one who is trying to impose himself on the thread.
Should you rather not consider the fact that you are not entitled to impose yourself on anyone for that matter?

The multicoloured fonts... well it seems that the remainder of the thread is retarded.
In one or other way I have to bring it to the attention of the forumites that I am sympathetic towards gay people but not towards gay sex.

The cross, the burden in a gay person's life is to abstain from sex...