The Cosmos
02-05-2007, 10:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia_aMJSF5-M
Nicely put together video. About 10 min long.
Nicely put together video. About 10 min long.
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The Cosmos
26-05-2007, 07:06 PM
More:
http://skeptically.org/bible/id3.html
http://skeptically.org/bible/id3.html
Pr⊕phet
26-05-2007, 11:55 PM
does those prove the divine factor ?
noxibox
27-05-2007, 02:21 AM
It can lend some credence to an individual or even several individuals who were combined into one having existed, which is of historical interest, but no more.
I'm sure we could prove that Uri Geller exists, but that doesn't mean he could bend spoons.
I'm sure we could prove that Uri Geller exists, but that doesn't mean he could bend spoons.
Claymore
27-05-2007, 08:40 AM
I'm sure we could prove that Uri Geller exists, but that doesn't mean he could bend spoons.
Uri Geller certainly does bend spoons - there's video evidence of it!
(Of course, he uses his hands to bend them, not his mind...)
Uri Geller certainly does bend spoons - there's video evidence of it!
(Of course, he uses his hands to bend them, not his mind...)
The Cosmos
27-05-2007, 09:58 AM
does those prove the divine factor ?
On the surface no. But it does prove Christ existed, which many of you don't believe.
On the surface no. But it does prove Christ existed, which many of you don't believe.
Pr⊕phet
27-05-2007, 10:16 AM
On the surface no. But it does prove Christ existed, which many of you don't believe.
why i say
He could have been a inspired man teaching God's word, or he was god's word made flesh...
..and that being one of those two it logically with other 100+ odd messiahs at same time would be hard for anyone just to spot him and out of the blue believe that he is what he is.
The 98 and the 2
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=74854
God, The Logos and spirit....
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=73587
The Myth of the Holy Trinity
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=76340
why i say
He could have been a inspired man teaching God's word, or he was god's word made flesh...
..and that being one of those two it logically with other 100+ odd messiahs at same time would be hard for anyone just to spot him and out of the blue believe that he is what he is.
The 98 and the 2
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=74854
God, The Logos and spirit....
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=73587
The Myth of the Holy Trinity
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=76340
Neo
27-05-2007, 10:30 AM
More:
http://skeptically.org/bible/id3.html
I&J, you're a closet non-believer, right? Taking the mickey out of believers by making as if you agree with them and then post evidence to the contrary.
You keep on making statements and then promptly post a link that proves the exact opposite. You posted about how dinosaurs were in the bible and got wiped out by the great flood and then give us link to articles that disprove it, and a global flood in general.
Here, you do it again. It's a great link you posted above, thanks. But it pretty much rip your stated believes apart. It shows there's no evidence of Christ outside the gospels, the Jesus of the NT was a cruel person, Christians were in cahoots with Nazi's etc.
For example, on the site you posted, the conclusion to the question of historical evidence for Jesus reads:
Therefore, to conclude, in the matter of eyewitness and contemporary accounts to Jesus' earthly life, there is a striking absence. The situation is adequately summed up by Professor Fuller, Professor of New Testament, Union Theological Seminary, New York, in his A Critical Introduction to the New Testament:-
"Of the 27 books of the New Testament only the authentic Pauline epistles are, strictly speaking, the testimony of an apostolic witness. And even Paul...was not a witness of the historical Jesus. Since the earliest witnesses wrote nothing...there is not a single book in the New Testament which is the direct work of an eyewitness of the historical Jesus..." (p.197).
On the Nazi issue, your reference state:
'The leaders of the Protestant Church, with only a few exceptions, endorsed in general the establishment of the Nazi regime in Germany... The establishment of the Third Reich represented for Protestant leaders...the triumph of national religious faith. They generally welcomed that victory with joy'.
Prof. T. S. Hamerow, On the Road to the Wolf's Lair (HUP, 1997), pp.151-158.
'Most of the established church leaders quickly demonstrated that they were quite prepared to comply with the Nazi regime in political matters as long as they were accorded some measure of religious freedom... Churches and churchgoers often looked away when confronted with Nazi crimes so long as they were not directly threatened'.
Prof. E. A. Johnson, Nazi Terror (Perseus, 1999), pp.196,250.
'Protestants were more sympathetic than Catholics to Nazism all along...Hitler made a brief radio appeal to Protestants on the eve of the 1933 church elections, and asked them to show their support for Nazi policies. He could not have been disappointed by the pro-Nazi results...
We also have evidence that many ordinary citizens and even religious leaders of Catholic and Protestant faiths did not condemn the Nazi program of 'mercy-killing' in principle...
In some parts, Protestant churchgoers were displeased to see how many converted Jews went to church and demanded that they should not have to take the eucharist next to these Jews, whom they wanted banned from the services'.
Prof. R. Gellately, Backing Hitler (OUP, 2001), pp.14,105,131
So thanks for settling the on-going debate here around Nazism and Christianity. And of course, the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the gospels.
To maybe help you a bit; There is actually some evidence for Jesus outside the gospels, but it's extremely weak. I suggest you read 'Jesus the Evidence' by Ian Wilson.
http://skeptically.org/bible/id3.html
I&J, you're a closet non-believer, right? Taking the mickey out of believers by making as if you agree with them and then post evidence to the contrary.
You keep on making statements and then promptly post a link that proves the exact opposite. You posted about how dinosaurs were in the bible and got wiped out by the great flood and then give us link to articles that disprove it, and a global flood in general.
Here, you do it again. It's a great link you posted above, thanks. But it pretty much rip your stated believes apart. It shows there's no evidence of Christ outside the gospels, the Jesus of the NT was a cruel person, Christians were in cahoots with Nazi's etc.
For example, on the site you posted, the conclusion to the question of historical evidence for Jesus reads:
Therefore, to conclude, in the matter of eyewitness and contemporary accounts to Jesus' earthly life, there is a striking absence. The situation is adequately summed up by Professor Fuller, Professor of New Testament, Union Theological Seminary, New York, in his A Critical Introduction to the New Testament:-
"Of the 27 books of the New Testament only the authentic Pauline epistles are, strictly speaking, the testimony of an apostolic witness. And even Paul...was not a witness of the historical Jesus. Since the earliest witnesses wrote nothing...there is not a single book in the New Testament which is the direct work of an eyewitness of the historical Jesus..." (p.197).
On the Nazi issue, your reference state:
'The leaders of the Protestant Church, with only a few exceptions, endorsed in general the establishment of the Nazi regime in Germany... The establishment of the Third Reich represented for Protestant leaders...the triumph of national religious faith. They generally welcomed that victory with joy'.
Prof. T. S. Hamerow, On the Road to the Wolf's Lair (HUP, 1997), pp.151-158.
'Most of the established church leaders quickly demonstrated that they were quite prepared to comply with the Nazi regime in political matters as long as they were accorded some measure of religious freedom... Churches and churchgoers often looked away when confronted with Nazi crimes so long as they were not directly threatened'.
Prof. E. A. Johnson, Nazi Terror (Perseus, 1999), pp.196,250.
'Protestants were more sympathetic than Catholics to Nazism all along...Hitler made a brief radio appeal to Protestants on the eve of the 1933 church elections, and asked them to show their support for Nazi policies. He could not have been disappointed by the pro-Nazi results...
We also have evidence that many ordinary citizens and even religious leaders of Catholic and Protestant faiths did not condemn the Nazi program of 'mercy-killing' in principle...
In some parts, Protestant churchgoers were displeased to see how many converted Jews went to church and demanded that they should not have to take the eucharist next to these Jews, whom they wanted banned from the services'.
Prof. R. Gellately, Backing Hitler (OUP, 2001), pp.14,105,131
So thanks for settling the on-going debate here around Nazism and Christianity. And of course, the lack of evidence for Jesus outside of the gospels.
To maybe help you a bit; There is actually some evidence for Jesus outside the gospels, but it's extremely weak. I suggest you read 'Jesus the Evidence' by Ian Wilson.
Neo
27-05-2007, 10:51 AM
I&J, Again, if you scroll down the link you posted, instead of using the Content links, you'll see a treatment of the following authors:
- Josephus
- The Talmud
- Tacitus
- Suetonius
- Thallus
- Pliny the Younger
The conclusion to the above reads:
Summary
In sum, the evidence for the historical evidence for Jesus is non-existent:
1) There are no proven, legitimate references to the existence of Jesus in any contemporary source outside of the New Testament.
2) The New Testament accounts do not provide a real 'biography' for Jesus. The early writings imply only that he was a divine figure and consistently fail to locate Jesus in any chronological setting; they also fail to cite those sayings attributed to him in the (later) Gospels, even when they are wholly applicable.
3) The existence of Jesus is not necessary to explain the origin or growth of Christianity.
So your link completely disproves what you set out to prove. What gives?
- Josephus
- The Talmud
- Tacitus
- Suetonius
- Thallus
- Pliny the Younger
The conclusion to the above reads:
Summary
In sum, the evidence for the historical evidence for Jesus is non-existent:
1) There are no proven, legitimate references to the existence of Jesus in any contemporary source outside of the New Testament.
2) The New Testament accounts do not provide a real 'biography' for Jesus. The early writings imply only that he was a divine figure and consistently fail to locate Jesus in any chronological setting; they also fail to cite those sayings attributed to him in the (later) Gospels, even when they are wholly applicable.
3) The existence of Jesus is not necessary to explain the origin or growth of Christianity.
So your link completely disproves what you set out to prove. What gives?
The Cosmos
27-05-2007, 12:05 PM
So your link completely disproves what you set out to prove. What gives?
I&J, you're a closet non-believer, right? Taking the mickey out of believers by making as if you agree with them and then post evidence to the contrary.
You keep on making statements and then promptly post a link that proves the exact opposite. You posted about how dinosaurs were in the bible and got wiped out by the great flood and then give us link to articles that disprove it, and a global flood in general.
Ok,
First of all, my actions here, may seem contradictory however they aren't. Maybe i should've rephrased my second post, but since you beat me to the punch, i'll say this. The references in this video, and the article are the same. This article is not friendly towards evidence, however i'm going to set the record straight with regards to the article, and refute it to prove there is evidence of christ outside the bible.
Summary
In sum, the evidence for the historical evidence for Jesus is non-existent:
1) There are no proven, legitimate references to the existence of Jesus in any contemporary source outside of the New Testament.
2) The New Testament accounts do not provide a real 'biography' for Jesus. The early writings imply only that he was a divine figure and consistently fail to locate Jesus in any chronological setting; they also fail to cite those sayings attributed to him in the (later) Gospels, even when they are wholly applicable.
3) The existence of Jesus is not necessary to explain the origin or growth of Christianity.
1) It may seem like that. But there's more than enough proof. I will give it soon.
2) Traces of Christ was found in close promixity to almost every geographical area mentioned where He was.
3) True. But that does not mean christianity has pagan origins. Christianity started out in the days of Cain and Abel.
Therefore, to conclude, in the matter of eyewitness and contemporary accounts to Jesus' earthly life, there is a striking absence. The situation is adequately summed up by Professor Fuller, Professor of New Testament, Union Theological Seminary, New York, in his A Critical Introduction to the New Testament:-
"Of the 27 books of the New Testament only the authentic Pauline epistles are, strictly speaking, the testimony of an apostolic witness. And even Paul...was not a witness of the historical Jesus. Since the earliest witnesses wrote nothing...there is not a single book in the New Testament which is the direct work of an eyewitness of the historical Jesus..." (p.197).
Paul was in Rome, and in Greece. If Paul exists, the Christ must exist, because Paul wrote about Christ. Evidence will follow.
Here, you do it again. It's a great link you posted above, thanks. But it pretty much rip your stated believes apart. It shows there's no evidence of Christ outside the gospels, the Jesus of the NT was a cruel person, Christians were in cahoots with Nazi's etc
That's a lie. Nazi's were jewish agents, and had nothing to do with christianity. Go look at "The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler video".
I&J, you're a closet non-believer, right? Taking the mickey out of believers by making as if you agree with them and then post evidence to the contrary.
You keep on making statements and then promptly post a link that proves the exact opposite. You posted about how dinosaurs were in the bible and got wiped out by the great flood and then give us link to articles that disprove it, and a global flood in general.
Ok,
First of all, my actions here, may seem contradictory however they aren't. Maybe i should've rephrased my second post, but since you beat me to the punch, i'll say this. The references in this video, and the article are the same. This article is not friendly towards evidence, however i'm going to set the record straight with regards to the article, and refute it to prove there is evidence of christ outside the bible.
Summary
In sum, the evidence for the historical evidence for Jesus is non-existent:
1) There are no proven, legitimate references to the existence of Jesus in any contemporary source outside of the New Testament.
2) The New Testament accounts do not provide a real 'biography' for Jesus. The early writings imply only that he was a divine figure and consistently fail to locate Jesus in any chronological setting; they also fail to cite those sayings attributed to him in the (later) Gospels, even when they are wholly applicable.
3) The existence of Jesus is not necessary to explain the origin or growth of Christianity.
1) It may seem like that. But there's more than enough proof. I will give it soon.
2) Traces of Christ was found in close promixity to almost every geographical area mentioned where He was.
3) True. But that does not mean christianity has pagan origins. Christianity started out in the days of Cain and Abel.
Therefore, to conclude, in the matter of eyewitness and contemporary accounts to Jesus' earthly life, there is a striking absence. The situation is adequately summed up by Professor Fuller, Professor of New Testament, Union Theological Seminary, New York, in his A Critical Introduction to the New Testament:-
"Of the 27 books of the New Testament only the authentic Pauline epistles are, strictly speaking, the testimony of an apostolic witness. And even Paul...was not a witness of the historical Jesus. Since the earliest witnesses wrote nothing...there is not a single book in the New Testament which is the direct work of an eyewitness of the historical Jesus..." (p.197).
Paul was in Rome, and in Greece. If Paul exists, the Christ must exist, because Paul wrote about Christ. Evidence will follow.
Here, you do it again. It's a great link you posted above, thanks. But it pretty much rip your stated believes apart. It shows there's no evidence of Christ outside the gospels, the Jesus of the NT was a cruel person, Christians were in cahoots with Nazi's etc
That's a lie. Nazi's were jewish agents, and had nothing to do with christianity. Go look at "The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler video".
tribble
27-05-2007, 12:13 PM
1) It may seem like that. But there's more than enough proof. I will give it soon.
We're waiting with bated breath, as are all the academics who've spent large parts of their lives studying and researching this very topic.
2) Traces of Christ was found in close promixity to almost every geographical area mentioned where He was.
No traces of Jesus have ever been found. Many have been manufactured by the church to improve its income from pilgrims, however.
3) True. But that does not mean christianity has pagan origins. Christianity started out in the days of Cain and Abel.
Cain and Abel never existed, dimwit.
Paul was in Rome, and in Greece. If Paul exists, the Christ must exist, because Paul wrote about Christ. Evidence will follow.
If Tolkien existed, then hobbits must exist, because Tolkien wrote about hobbits. By your "logic" tribbles, therefore, exist as well.
Do you spend all your free time tracking down crap to share on this forum?
We're waiting with bated breath, as are all the academics who've spent large parts of their lives studying and researching this very topic.
2) Traces of Christ was found in close promixity to almost every geographical area mentioned where He was.
No traces of Jesus have ever been found. Many have been manufactured by the church to improve its income from pilgrims, however.
3) True. But that does not mean christianity has pagan origins. Christianity started out in the days of Cain and Abel.
Cain and Abel never existed, dimwit.
Paul was in Rome, and in Greece. If Paul exists, the Christ must exist, because Paul wrote about Christ. Evidence will follow.
If Tolkien existed, then hobbits must exist, because Tolkien wrote about hobbits. By your "logic" tribbles, therefore, exist as well.
Do you spend all your free time tracking down crap to share on this forum?
The Cosmos
27-05-2007, 12:23 PM
You know, i have respect for neo, because even though he doesn't agree with stuff i say, he at least treats me with respect/dignity. You on the other hand, have shown nothing but contempt. How old are you ? 10 ? Grow up, and debate like an adult.
tribble
27-05-2007, 12:41 PM
Oh no! Have I hurt your feelings?
Why not debate the points I raise like an adult, instead of attacking me?
Or at least a combination of the two to lessen the blow.
I don't believe that fundamentalist fools like you -- or the nonsense you spout -- deserve respect.
Why not debate the points I raise like an adult, instead of attacking me?
Or at least a combination of the two to lessen the blow.
I don't believe that fundamentalist fools like you -- or the nonsense you spout -- deserve respect.
The Cosmos
27-05-2007, 12:50 PM
Oh no! Have I hurt your feelings?
Why not debate the points I raise like an adult, instead of attacking me?
Or at least a combination of the two to lessen the blow.
I don't believe that fundamentalist fools like you -- or the nonsense you spout -- deserve respect.
You're pathetic. You're displaying the difference between you and neo. You're a disgrace to the topic of debating. What are you even doing here ?
You might as well go play with some eathworms, even they are more respectful than you.
You say, debate you points you raised ? What points ? All you have been doing is attacking me. Not the other way around, as you seem to think.
Why not debate the points I raise like an adult, instead of attacking me?
Or at least a combination of the two to lessen the blow.
I don't believe that fundamentalist fools like you -- or the nonsense you spout -- deserve respect.
You're pathetic. You're displaying the difference between you and neo. You're a disgrace to the topic of debating. What are you even doing here ?
You might as well go play with some eathworms, even they are more respectful than you.
You say, debate you points you raised ? What points ? All you have been doing is attacking me. Not the other way around, as you seem to think.
noxibox
27-05-2007, 01:05 PM
If Paul exists, the Christ must exist, because Paul wrote about Christ.
If JK Rowling exists, then Harry Potter must exist, because JK Rowling wrote about Harry Potter.
If JK Rowling exists, then Harry Potter must exist, because JK Rowling wrote about Harry Potter.
tribble
27-05-2007, 01:05 PM
Jeez, I've really got your panties in a knot.
(We're still waiting for all the evidence you promised us, btw)
(We're still waiting for all the evidence you promised us, btw)
The Cosmos
27-05-2007, 01:12 PM
Ja, like i can deliver them right off the bat.... (sigh) The reliable stuff are in libraries. The internet does not give the best evidence. Check back later...
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 04:58 PM
Here's a book on the internet.
Messianic philosophy : an historical and critical examination of the evidence for the existence, death, resurrection, ascension, and divinity of Jesus Christ (1908)
Author: Marsh, Gideon W. B
Published: 1908
Download book here (http://www.archive.org/download/messianicphiloso00marsuoft/messianicphiloso00marsuoft.pdf) (in PDF format)
Messianic philosophy : an historical and critical examination of the evidence for the existence, death, resurrection, ascension, and divinity of Jesus Christ (1908)
Author: Marsh, Gideon W. B
Published: 1908
Download book here (http://www.archive.org/download/messianicphiloso00marsuoft/messianicphiloso00marsuoft.pdf) (in PDF format)
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 05:12 PM
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=1079589&postcount=541
Take it with a pinch of salt. Could be, might be, might not be. Just pointing it out.
P.S. Ignore the Benoni bit, he got confused with Elvis apparently :D
And tribble, relax.
Take it with a pinch of salt. Could be, might be, might not be. Just pointing it out.
P.S. Ignore the Benoni bit, he got confused with Elvis apparently :D
And tribble, relax.
Tux
12-06-2007, 05:34 PM
That's a lie. Nazi's were jewish agents, and had nothing to do with christianity. Go look at "The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler video".
If that wasn't so hysterically funny I would have found it offensive
If that wasn't so hysterically funny I would have found it offensive
Pr⊕phet
12-06-2007, 08:12 PM
how but this.
Jesus did came but religion missed him and created there own version...
Jesus did came but religion missed him and created there own version...
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 09:13 PM
Christianity is not a religion. It's a faith. ;)
cyghost
12-06-2007, 09:19 PM
ha ha ha ha
Go read up a few definitions and stop making **** up.
Go read up a few definitions and stop making **** up.
Tux
12-06-2007, 09:20 PM
Christianity is not a religion. It's a faith. ;)
It's not a dog, it's a canine!
It's not a dog, it's a canine!
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Religion, definition:
Religion—sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief. In its broadest sense some have defined it as the sum total of answers given to explain humankind's relationship with the universe. In the course of the development of religion, it has taken a huge number of forms in various cultures and individuals. ...
Religion—sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief. In its broadest sense some have defined it as the sum total of answers given to explain humankind's relationship with the universe. In the course of the development of religion, it has taken a huge number of forms in various cultures and individuals. ...
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 09:45 PM
If that wasn't so hysterically funny I would have found it offensive
You didn't watch the video, did you ? :rolleyes: You're laughing, but you don't really know why... that's sad. :o
You didn't watch the video, did you ? :rolleyes: You're laughing, but you don't really know why... that's sad. :o
Tux
12-06-2007, 09:48 PM
You didn't watch the video, did you ? :rolleyes: You're laughing, but you don't really know why... that's sad. :o
No, the sad thing is that somebody that's gullible enough to believe that when there are tons of evidence to the contrary
If I wasnt in such a civilized mood i would have a) RBP'ed it and b) called you one fscked up puppy but then i remembered it would be an insult to my boerboel
No, the sad thing is that somebody that's gullible enough to believe that when there are tons of evidence to the contrary
If I wasnt in such a civilized mood i would have a) RBP'ed it and b) called you one fscked up puppy but then i remembered it would be an insult to my boerboel
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 09:51 PM
A number of people were laughing at it actually. But alright.
Tux
12-06-2007, 09:53 PM
It had me in stitches the whole day
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 09:57 PM
Ditto. Still have a giggle when I think about it :D
Got to admit, I'd've loved to see the conviction in his face.
It reminds me, my buddy was telling me about a girl that started working with her, she was telling the girl about her moving to the UK. The girl asks, "Are books that are written in England in English?"
Got to admit, I'd've loved to see the conviction in his face.
It reminds me, my buddy was telling me about a girl that started working with her, she was telling the girl about her moving to the UK. The girl asks, "Are books that are written in England in English?"
Tux
12-06-2007, 10:00 PM
Yo, IJ, have any problems with me submitting that to bash.org and/or using it as my sig? :D :D :D
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 10:07 PM
No, the sad thing is that somebody that's gullible enough to believe that when there are tons of evidence to the contrary
Tons of evidence to the contrary ? Yeah....
It's amazing that you actually believe that that was maintstream history. If you had any clue(which you don't), then you would think otherwise. (but you won't)
You are speaking with a totally messed up and uninformed opinion. Hitler's actions contradicted everything he said. It's in the video. You are too lazy to even watch the video. You just sit there like a moron in front of your pc, spewing garbage, and you don't even know what the hell you are talking about....
Tons of evidence to the contrary ? Yeah....
It's amazing that you actually believe that that was maintstream history. If you had any clue(which you don't), then you would think otherwise. (but you won't)
You are speaking with a totally messed up and uninformed opinion. Hitler's actions contradicted everything he said. It's in the video. You are too lazy to even watch the video. You just sit there like a moron in front of your pc, spewing garbage, and you don't even know what the hell you are talking about....
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 10:12 PM
Tons of evidence to the contrary ? Yeah....
It's amazing that you actually believe that that was maintstream history. If you had any clue(which you don't), then you would think otherwise. (but you won't)
You are speaking with a totally messed up and uninformed opinion. Hitler's actions contradicted everything he said. It's in the video. You are too lazy to even watch the video. You just sit there like a moron in front of your pc, spewing garbage, and you don't even know what the hell you are talking about....
Says the wolf to the sheep.
You know, it would be great if you people applied the same logic to yourselves. It would be an amazing world.
It's amazing that you actually believe that that was maintstream history. If you had any clue(which you don't), then you would think otherwise. (but you won't)
You are speaking with a totally messed up and uninformed opinion. Hitler's actions contradicted everything he said. It's in the video. You are too lazy to even watch the video. You just sit there like a moron in front of your pc, spewing garbage, and you don't even know what the hell you are talking about....
Says the wolf to the sheep.
You know, it would be great if you people applied the same logic to yourselves. It would be an amazing world.
Tux
12-06-2007, 10:22 PM
Tons of evidence to the contrary ? Yeah....
It's amazing that you actually believe that that was maintstream history. If you had any clue(which you don't), then you would think otherwise. (but you won't)
You are speaking with a totally messed up and uninformed opinion. Hitler's actions contradicted everything he said. It's in the video. You are too lazy to even watch the video. You just sit there like a moron in front of your pc, spewing garbage, and you don't even know what the hell you are talking about....
Enough with the self-descriptions boy.
Herr Schicklegruber suffered from Altzheimer's disease. Do you know what that does to your mind? I don't know about you but normally such people are not exactly known for their rational behavior even during the early stages.
So you got a video that claim hitler was a jewish puppet. Do you have any supporting evidence for it? Credited historians only please.
If it makes me a moron when I believe in facts that I can check for my self via several sources and just not a single video, then hell yeah, i'm a moron. rather the moron than the court jester I say...
It's amazing that you actually believe that that was maintstream history. If you had any clue(which you don't), then you would think otherwise. (but you won't)
You are speaking with a totally messed up and uninformed opinion. Hitler's actions contradicted everything he said. It's in the video. You are too lazy to even watch the video. You just sit there like a moron in front of your pc, spewing garbage, and you don't even know what the hell you are talking about....
Enough with the self-descriptions boy.
Herr Schicklegruber suffered from Altzheimer's disease. Do you know what that does to your mind? I don't know about you but normally such people are not exactly known for their rational behavior even during the early stages.
So you got a video that claim hitler was a jewish puppet. Do you have any supporting evidence for it? Credited historians only please.
If it makes me a moron when I believe in facts that I can check for my self via several sources and just not a single video, then hell yeah, i'm a moron. rather the moron than the court jester I say...
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 10:23 PM
You know, it would be great if you people applied the same logic to yourselves. It would be an amazing world.
Let me guess. You didn't read the book, right ? :rolleyes: You're incriminating yourself. :o
Let me guess. You didn't read the book, right ? :rolleyes: You're incriminating yourself. :o
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 10:25 PM
Enough with the self-descriptions boy.
Herr Schicklegruber suffered from Altzheimer's disease. Do you know what that does to your mind? I don't know about you but normally such people are not exactly known for their rational behavior even during the early stages.
So you got a video that claim hitler was a jewish puppet. Do you have any supporting evidence for it? Credited historians only please.
If it makes me a moron when I believe in facts that I can check for my self via several sources and just not a single video, then hell yeah, i'm a moron. rather the moron than the court jester I say...
All the sources are in the video. Many of the books mentioned can be bought at amazon. And so on...
It's time you get off you lazy behind, and stop making youself look like an idiot.
Herr Schicklegruber suffered from Altzheimer's disease. Do you know what that does to your mind? I don't know about you but normally such people are not exactly known for their rational behavior even during the early stages.
So you got a video that claim hitler was a jewish puppet. Do you have any supporting evidence for it? Credited historians only please.
If it makes me a moron when I believe in facts that I can check for my self via several sources and just not a single video, then hell yeah, i'm a moron. rather the moron than the court jester I say...
All the sources are in the video. Many of the books mentioned can be bought at amazon. And so on...
It's time you get off you lazy behind, and stop making youself look like an idiot.
Tux
12-06-2007, 10:26 PM
/me awaits the supporting evidence that proves the historical accuracy of that video
Please excuse the fact that i'm not holding my breath while waiting for it
Please excuse the fact that i'm not holding my breath while waiting for it
Tux
12-06-2007, 10:28 PM
All the sources are in the video. Many of the books mentioned can be bought at amazon. And so on...
It's time you get off you lazy behind, and stop making youself look like an idiot.
You made the claim, you supply the evidence that proves your point. Not all of us have int bandwith to waste on crackpot theories that normal people get when dropping acid
It's time you get off you lazy behind, and stop making youself look like an idiot.
You made the claim, you supply the evidence that proves your point. Not all of us have int bandwith to waste on crackpot theories that normal people get when dropping acid
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 10:33 PM
I have a book the claims Vampires are real.
I also have a number of books which support my faith and my belief.
Things I'm sure you'll disagree with, IJ.
If you're going to make a point, support it. And books aren't always truthful.
I also have a number of books which support my faith and my belief.
Things I'm sure you'll disagree with, IJ.
If you're going to make a point, support it. And books aren't always truthful.
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 10:35 PM
You made the claim, you supply the evidence that proves your point. Not all of us have int bandwith to waste on crackpot theories that normal people get when dropping acid
Then you will stay an idiot out of ignorance :rolleyes:
Then you will stay an idiot out of ignorance :rolleyes:
Tux
12-06-2007, 10:37 PM
Then you will stay an idiot out of ignorance :rolleyes:
How novel. Resort to name calling when you cant support your crackpot claims.
I'm really interested to see how they got to that conclusion in your video, so please stop being childish and give me more proof
BTW, does this sig make me look fat?
How novel. Resort to name calling when you cant support your crackpot claims.
I'm really interested to see how they got to that conclusion in your video, so please stop being childish and give me more proof
BTW, does this sig make me look fat?
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 10:37 PM
I have a book the claims Vampires are real.
I also have a number of books which support my faith and my belief.
Things I'm sure you'll disagree with, IJ.
If you're going to make a point, support it. And books aren't always truthful.
Eh.... how about watching the video, which has the proof, before you go on with your stuff.
I also have a number of books which support my faith and my belief.
Things I'm sure you'll disagree with, IJ.
If you're going to make a point, support it. And books aren't always truthful.
Eh.... how about watching the video, which has the proof, before you go on with your stuff.
Pr⊕phet
12-06-2007, 10:38 PM
IJ must be youtube's biggest fan ;)
The Cosmos
12-06-2007, 10:39 PM
How novel. Resort to name calling when you cant support your crackpot claims.
I'm really interested to see how they got to that conclusion in your video, so please stop being childish and give me more proof
BTW, does this sig make me look fat?
Can you buy the DVD then ? :rolleyes: Maybe not.
If you're really that interested, then stop talking, and start watching. You're not achieving anything right now...
I'm really interested to see how they got to that conclusion in your video, so please stop being childish and give me more proof
BTW, does this sig make me look fat?
Can you buy the DVD then ? :rolleyes: Maybe not.
If you're really that interested, then stop talking, and start watching. You're not achieving anything right now...
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 10:40 PM
I'm watching it now IJ....
And I'm already irritated with this guy's pronunciation... it's TACITUS not "TACTICUS" ...
And I'm already irritated with this guy's pronunciation... it's TACITUS not "TACTICUS" ...
Tux
12-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Can you buy the DVD then ? :rolleyes: Maybe not.
If you're really that interested, then stop talking, and start watching. You're not achieving anything right now...
Stop making excuses and start rolling with the references
If you're really that interested, then stop talking, and start watching. You're not achieving anything right now...
Stop making excuses and start rolling with the references
Pr⊕phet
12-06-2007, 10:43 PM
he got stuck @ pornotube ;)
Tux
12-06-2007, 10:48 PM
he got stuck @ pornotube ;)
hey! no need to insult me like that.. err wait.. NM.. *close other window fast*
hey! no need to insult me like that.. err wait.. NM.. *close other window fast*
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 10:56 PM
So far I've just heard everything that we've already spoken about and researched. No one ever denied the existence of Jesus. What IS being denied, is that Jesus was a "Messiah" or the son of God.
And as for the "solar eclipse" uh... you who believes in the technology of the ancients, you don't even remotely consider that people would've seen that coming? I'm sorry, all that proves is that there was an eclipse the day he died... It's not exactly "Wow, omg! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" unless you lived in those times.
And at this site: http://biblicalnewmoon.com/the-year-jesus-died/
It claims:
He died some weeks or months after an eclipse of the moon, and it is that eclipse which has been used by historians since the 17th century to date the whole list of events in Josephus.
So whereas that guy says, "The day" that reference I gave you says a couple of weeks.
I mean, I probably missed your point somewhere along the lines. But I've said it before, what did Jesus do that Evangists these days don't? We've discussed what the power of belief can do. Hell, Ripley's Believe it or Not had some asian dude on that could light a candle with using the power of his mind to focus heat through his hand.
Anything is possible. And belief, willpower - that's all that separates a "man" from a "god?" I should introduce you to some "faith healers" some time, or some people that practice psychodrama. It could be an interesting experience - it happens, yay, get over it, move on.
Did Jesus exist? Yes. Was the the son of "the Creator?" If you want to believe that, go wild.
And as for the Tacitus bit in that clip... You did, of course, notice that he somewhat exaggerated on how many times "Christ" was written in Tacitus' manuscripts, right? When, factually, Tacitus only mentioned a "Christus" once, and that was also discussed.
Like I said, ALL of this has been discussed. It's not interesting anymore... Not at all... Been there, done that, got the post count to prove it.
Edit:
P.S. One of the author of that clip's comments:
Its funny tho...Ive heard opponents of the bible say that the differances in the Gosples point to "contridictions" while at the same time another opponents says that the simularities point to the writers copping each other.
Give me a brake.
Hi BWM..Ill drop you a PM when I get a chance some time this weekend. Later Dude.
Wow, if his historical education and English are even remotely comparable then he must be a genius and one helluva reference.
And as for the "solar eclipse" uh... you who believes in the technology of the ancients, you don't even remotely consider that people would've seen that coming? I'm sorry, all that proves is that there was an eclipse the day he died... It's not exactly "Wow, omg! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" unless you lived in those times.
And at this site: http://biblicalnewmoon.com/the-year-jesus-died/
It claims:
He died some weeks or months after an eclipse of the moon, and it is that eclipse which has been used by historians since the 17th century to date the whole list of events in Josephus.
So whereas that guy says, "The day" that reference I gave you says a couple of weeks.
I mean, I probably missed your point somewhere along the lines. But I've said it before, what did Jesus do that Evangists these days don't? We've discussed what the power of belief can do. Hell, Ripley's Believe it or Not had some asian dude on that could light a candle with using the power of his mind to focus heat through his hand.
Anything is possible. And belief, willpower - that's all that separates a "man" from a "god?" I should introduce you to some "faith healers" some time, or some people that practice psychodrama. It could be an interesting experience - it happens, yay, get over it, move on.
Did Jesus exist? Yes. Was the the son of "the Creator?" If you want to believe that, go wild.
And as for the Tacitus bit in that clip... You did, of course, notice that he somewhat exaggerated on how many times "Christ" was written in Tacitus' manuscripts, right? When, factually, Tacitus only mentioned a "Christus" once, and that was also discussed.
Like I said, ALL of this has been discussed. It's not interesting anymore... Not at all... Been there, done that, got the post count to prove it.
Edit:
P.S. One of the author of that clip's comments:
Its funny tho...Ive heard opponents of the bible say that the differances in the Gosples point to "contridictions" while at the same time another opponents says that the simularities point to the writers copping each other.
Give me a brake.
Hi BWM..Ill drop you a PM when I get a chance some time this weekend. Later Dude.
Wow, if his historical education and English are even remotely comparable then he must be a genius and one helluva reference.
Pr⊕phet
12-06-2007, 10:59 PM
...and the t-shirt ?
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 11:04 PM
Nope, no t-shirt. I wear long-sleeves :D It's winter, so sue me :)
Tux
12-06-2007, 11:09 PM
with thermal underwear? :D
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 11:10 PM
ooo... that would be cosy :D But no ;) Fan-heater for my footsies and my blankey ;)
Tux
12-06-2007, 11:13 PM
I doubledare y'all to laugh at my shrek blankie that the SU got for me
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 11:17 PM
SU?
And what's wrong wiff a Shrek blankey? I sleep wiff a plushie puppie with a heart in his mouth every night :D It's a gift from my best buddy to my fiance, and I promised him I'd keep him safe while he's in the UK. And he has my wittle bear :D So me always gets to have him wiff me and he gets to have me wiff him :D
I'm a soppy soul....
And what's wrong wiff a Shrek blankey? I sleep wiff a plushie puppie with a heart in his mouth every night :D It's a gift from my best buddy to my fiance, and I promised him I'd keep him safe while he's in the UK. And he has my wittle bear :D So me always gets to have him wiff me and he gets to have me wiff him :D
I'm a soppy soul....
Tux
12-06-2007, 11:21 PM
SU - Spousal Unit :D
For some reason she thinks I remind her of shrek *shrug*
For some reason she thinks I remind her of shrek *shrug*
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 11:24 PM
You're green, have two circular antennae on your head, have gust-like farts and pores the size of South African potholes? Nasty.
But sweet hahaha ^.^
And thanks for teaching me another Gruism :p
But sweet hahaha ^.^
And thanks for teaching me another Gruism :p
Tux
12-06-2007, 11:44 PM
Well.. got the fart bit down pat :D
Specially when just waiting up :p
Specially when just waiting up :p
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 11:46 PM
Waiting up or waking up?
Somehow I suddenly don't want to be near you if you're standing idly in the middle of a crowd with a deep frown on your face. I have a sneaking suspicion there wont be much of a crowd after too long :D
Somehow I suddenly don't want to be near you if you're standing idly in the middle of a crowd with a deep frown on your face. I have a sneaking suspicion there wont be much of a crowd after too long :D
Tux
12-06-2007, 11:50 PM
waking up :D
/me be sleep deprived
/me be sleep deprived
Lycanthrope
12-06-2007, 11:51 PM
Sounds a lot like when I first met you :D
You really should learn to sleep ^.^
Which reminds me, I still no be having of a Pratchett e-mail :D :D
You really should learn to sleep ^.^
Which reminds me, I still no be having of a Pratchett e-mail :D :D
Tux
13-06-2007, 12:11 AM
ffs.. let me chop it up into smaller bits and resend
Lycanthrope
13-06-2007, 12:12 AM
What are you sending it through? It's not my e-mail account, is it? :S
And for the sake of sanity, don't you use MSN or GTalk or something?
And for the sake of sanity, don't you use MSN or GTalk or something?
Tux
13-06-2007, 12:15 AM
Ok, chopped up int 1.4mb rar files and sending again
Tux
13-06-2007, 12:16 AM
What are you sending it through? It's not my e-mail account, is it? :S
And for the sake of sanity, don't you use MSN or GTalk or something?
Irc or skype? :D
And for the sake of sanity, don't you use MSN or GTalk or something?
Irc or skype? :D
Lycanthrope
13-06-2007, 12:40 AM
rofl... I barely ever have my Skype on :D And I haven't been on IRC in over a year. I fell into the whole IMVU/Second Life (uses too much bandwidth)/MMORPG scene... So IRC is kinda lacking for me these days... And it seems I get my fix from forums now hahahaha... Plus, I have GTalk for the people I care about speaking to - it's always on, MSN for "common" usage and that's all...
P.S. Thank you Gru ^.^
P.S. Thank you Gru ^.^
Mr TB
13-06-2007, 02:56 PM
rofl... I barely ever have my Skype on :D And I haven't been on IRC in over a year. I fell into the whole IMVU/Second Life (uses too much bandwidth)/MMORPG scene... So IRC is kinda lacking for me these days... And it seems I get my fix from forums now hahahaha... Plus, I have GTalk for the people I care about speaking to - it's always on, MSN for "common" usage and that's all...
P.S. Thank you Gru ^.^
If this is not called derailing a thread... what is called derailing a thread...???
P.S. Thank you Gru ^.^
If this is not called derailing a thread... what is called derailing a thread...???
Tux
13-06-2007, 02:59 PM
If this is not called derailing a thread... what is called derailing a thread...???
The pot calling the kettle black?
I remember quite a few threads that got Dodo'ed
The pot calling the kettle black?
I remember quite a few threads that got Dodo'ed
Lycanthrope
13-06-2007, 03:36 PM
If this is not called derailing a thread... what is called derailing a thread...???
When you open your mouth, that's when.
When you open your mouth, that's when.