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Claymore
06-05-2007, 09:32 AM
Now here's a good example of the way religious intolerance can harm people.


Malaysian religious law splits wife and children

Ian MacKinnon, South-east Asia correspondent
Friday May 4, 2007
The Guardian

A Muslim woman forcibly separated from her Hindu husband by Malaysia's Islamic authorities after 21 years of happy marriage wept inconsolably yesterday after a judge endorsed her decision to hand custody of six of her seven children to her former spouse.

In an unprecedented move for Malaysia - where Islamic religious laws are strictly enforced - the children, aged four to 14, will be raised as Hindus despite being born to a Muslim mother. Last month Selangor state's Islamic authorities took Raimah Bibi Noordin, 39, and her children away for "rehabilitation" and religious counselling after belatedly declaring that her marriage was illegal.

The couple cannot live together because the husband did not convert to Islam as required by law for their marriage to be legal. In a country where 60% of the population is Muslim, the law also stipulates that the children must be brought up to observe Islam. Anyone born into a Muslim family cannot legally convert.

But Mrs Raimah Bibi's husband, Marimuthu Periasamy, 43, applied for custody of the ethnic Indian couple's children after they and his wife were removed to a Malay Muslim village. He said he feared his children would be brainwashed.

In yesterday's emotional high court hearing west of the capital, Kuala Lumpur, Mrs Raimah Bibi, who wore traditional floor-length Malay garb with a Muslim headscarf, agreed to give up her children voluntarily to end the standoff. "I agree to hand over the custody of my children to my husband to be raised as Hindus," she said, before bursting into tears.

The couple were married according to Hindu traditions and brought up their children in the Hindu faith.

Mr Marimuthu claimed his wife had been adopted by an ethnic Indian Muslim family but that she was a practising Hindu and her old identity card categorised her as an Indian Hindu. But when she applied for a new identity card this year, the government listed her as a Muslim, he said.

However, an affidavit read to the court earlier Mrs Raimah Bibi contradicted her husband's testimony. "I have had discussions with my husband ... with regard to the predicament facing us," it said. "And I state that I was born a Muslim and wish to continue professing the Islamic faith."

A Malaysian government legal adviser, Zauyah Be Loth Khan, said that Selangor's Islamic affairs department had raised no objections to the children being raised as Hindus, adding that Mrs Raimah Bibi would have the right to visit at any time .

Despite the eventual outcome, the case highlights growing disquiet about the legal rights of non-Muslims in Malaysia, even though religious freedom is enshrined under the constitution.

Lim Kit Siang, an opposition leader, said. "For this to happen to a couple that has lived together for 21 years as a result of a religious conflict is not good for our international image."

Source: Guardian Unlimited (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2071922,00.html)

Neo
06-05-2007, 09:43 AM
A good example of what happens when you don't separate state and church.

The_Librarian
07-05-2007, 04:16 PM
Now that's just plain stupid.

JK8
07-05-2007, 04:17 PM
Its good why she marrying a Hindu oke?

icyrus
07-05-2007, 05:05 PM
Its good why she marrying a Hindu oke?

Are you saying that you support state-enforced religion?

JK8
07-05-2007, 05:06 PM
Are you saying that you support state-enforced religion?

I support them for not allowing her to marry a non-muslim, its kinda harsh I know but its right!

icyrus
07-05-2007, 05:07 PM
I support them for not allowing her to marry a non-muslim, its kinda harsh I know but its right!

Care to justify why?

JK8
07-05-2007, 05:24 PM
Care to justify why?

I know she can do whatever she wants etc etc and maybe they in love or whatever, but its not good to marry out of religious lines, to many wrongs and also shes giving up her religion for a man.... and probably taking up another religion, she should just marry a muslim guy, live a normal life.

noxibox
07-05-2007, 06:34 PM
That's silly. One religion is as good as another.

JK8
08-05-2007, 11:42 AM
That's silly. One religion is as good as another.

Nah they worship Idols and Elephants and cows. Islam forbids that.

ghoti
08-05-2007, 11:50 AM
Nah they worship Idols and Elephants and cows. Islam forbids that.

So?

Tux
08-05-2007, 12:03 PM
Nah they worship Idols and Elephants and cows. Islam forbids that.

And that's different from worshipping saints and virgins in what way?

ghoti
08-05-2007, 12:04 PM
... or little black rocks.

The Cosmos
25-03-2008, 01:37 PM
Its good why she marrying a Hindu oke?

What muslim marries a hindu ?
That's just no go on both sides.

Kasyx
25-03-2008, 02:19 PM
As far as I am concerned, people should be allowed to do whatever the hell they please. Religion should NEVER enter into it. Islam seems to have this belief that they can police the world to a point that it seems as if being a Muslim is akin to living in a dystopian police state.

ShaunSA
28-03-2008, 08:34 AM
It's quite clear some of us never left the dark ages :(

PeterCH
28-03-2008, 01:46 PM
And that's different from worshipping saints and virgins in what way?

Catholics don't worship the Virgin Mary neither do they worship any Saints.
Dude, I'm Catholic - I know. Get your general knowledge up to scratch first.

PeterCH
28-03-2008, 01:48 PM
As far as I am concerned, people should be allowed to do whatever the hell they please. Religion should NEVER enter into it. Islam seems to have this belief that they can police the world to a point that it seems as if being a Muslim is akin to living in a dystopian police state.

If Muslims choose to police themselves willingly I'm happy with that. Its their choice, however they should not force other people, outside
of their jurisdictions to do the same. People who criticise the Muslims
for willingly policing themselves are either ignorant or just plainly bigoted
and are the ones living in intolerant Dark Ages.