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bk.ru
06-05-2007, 11:55 AM
We have all seen this happen before.

One of the pastors of the church I attend just resigned his position of many years, filed for divorce with his dear sweet wife, and is running away with the church secretary.

The question is, why does this kind of thing happen when this man was supposed to be a “born again”, “new creature” in Christ?

So, mighty defenders of the faith, what is the real difference between a “born again” Christian and an unbeliever?

People say things like, “but for the grace of God, there go I.” Well, where was the grace of God in this man’s life? And please don’t just tell me that this man was never really saved!

Just like the case recently heard in a Tennessee court where Mary Winkler was found guilty of manslaughter for shooting her preacher husband in the back and got six years... well their dirty laundry was aired, and I felt really sorry for her from the emotional abuse and the sexual abuse of his daughters. I probably would have shot him at point blank range in the head and dismembered him, too. These preacher-wives have no one to talk to... nowhere to go for reality checks... and how many of their preacher-husbands have we heard about dilly dallying with men, women, children and whatever is out there to dilly dally with?

Oh, I can imagine the excuse this preacher had... "the lord works in mysterious ways...," "to everything there is a season...," "ask and you shall be given...," "love conquers all..., etc., etc..

It is still difficult for the congregation to understand why he would have allowed this to happen. I'm sure his wife must be suffering, and now she's lost her husband, her lifestyle, and probably has a broken family with children involved. But... maybe she's better off now, Maybe her abuse has finally come to an end and maybe her children's has, too. We really don't know what went on in their marriage. I suspect he was unfaithful to his wife for a long time with probably many other women, and he just fell hard for this one.

From my experience, when a husband leaves the wife and kids, it's probably a good thing for all of them. It does hurt for a while, but when the healing comes, it's for the best.

How many unfaithful preachers can you count? I used to watch Jimmy Swaggart just to watch him cry! I love good acting. What about Ted Haggard? What about the shame he put his wife through? Did she stand by him? God, I hope not!

Yes, "to err is human." I just wonder how many couples this preacher counseled when they were having marital problems. Could one of them have been the church secretary and her husband? I guess we'll never know.

This question keeps running through my head... Do atheists have higher morals than christians? Probably so, because there's nothing to flaunt, nothing to lie about, nothing to believe in except each other.

teraside
06-05-2007, 12:19 PM
What a silly argument, Jesus is a Christians role model, period, not pastors or other people ;)

Ciao :p

The Cosmos
06-05-2007, 12:38 PM
Pastors/ministers are humans who studied. That's all.

Neo
06-05-2007, 12:44 PM
What a silly argument, Jesus is a Christians role model, period, not pastors or other people ;)

Ciao :p

Was it not Paul who set the stage by telling people they should be like himself?

The point is these pastors stand up Sunday after Sunday and preach to the rest what is right or wrong, so when they fall it's much more topical.

As God's chosen to spread the word, surely they should practice what they preach? Just think how screwed up these people must be, standing on the pulpit delivering a sermon on how wrong it is to abuse your spouse and/or children, shagging men, etc. when they well know they do it themselves. The ultimate hypocrites.

Let alone the blatant financial fleecing of innocent people. Saw one of these pastors on TV last night, selling bottled water as a miracle cure....:rolleyes:

The Cosmos
06-05-2007, 01:01 PM
Was it not Paul who set the stage by telling people they should be like himself?

The point is these pastors stand up Sunday after Sunday and preach to the rest what is right or wrong, so when they fall it's much more topical.

As God's chosen to spread the word, surely they should practice what they preach? Just think how screwed up these people must be, standing on the pulpit delivering a sermon on how wrong it is to abuse your spouse and/or children, shagging men, etc. when they well know they do it themselves. The ultimate hypocrites.

Let alone the blatant financial fleecing of innocent people. Saw one of these pastors on TV last night, selling bottled water as a miracle cure....:rolleyes:

That's why i don't goto church. I'm just at home, studying the bible in my own time, and listening/studying sermons/resources i get from the net.
Churches are financial institutions.

FlyingPika
06-05-2007, 02:26 PM
The devil comes after chuch children and pastors way more than any1 else.

If you leave the devil alone he leaves u alone.

Claymore
06-05-2007, 02:46 PM
What a silly argument, Jesus is a Christians role model, period, not pastors or other people ;)

Ciao :p

Are pastors not the appointed shepherds of Jesus's flock of sheep?

kilo39
06-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Anybody notice that the greatest scumbags are those that most preach their sanctity!

Ehud Olmert (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Olmert+girlfriend+scandal&btnG=Search)

Wolfowitz (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=wolfowitz+girlfriend+scandal&btnG=Search)

George Bush (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=George+Bush+false+war+Iraq&btnG=Search)

Ted Haggard (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Ted+Haggard+sex+scandal&btnG=Search)

Rumsfield (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Rumsfied+lies&btnG=Search)

Attorney General Gonzales (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Gonzales+attorney+scandal&btnG=Search)

Ex-New York Mayor Giuliani (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-02,GGLG:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Giuliani+911+disgrace&spell=1)

Oh and not to forget:

Cheney (http://www.google.com/search?q=Cheney+lies&btnG=Search&hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen)

Condelisa Rice (http://www.google.com/search?q=Condelisa+Rice+denial+of+evidence&btnG=Search&hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen)

Tony Blair (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Tony+Blair+lied&btnG=Search)

Oh and of course the [-]rogues[/-] scumbags (http://www.google.com/search?q=libby+scandal&btnG=Search&hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-02%2CGGLG%3Aen) gallery goes ever on...

fivelza
06-05-2007, 10:30 PM
This question keeps running through my head... Do atheists have higher morals than christians? Probably so, because there's nothing to flaunt, nothing to lie about, nothing to believe in except each other.

So atheists do no wrong....hmmmm :mad:

Neo
06-05-2007, 10:37 PM
So atheists do no wrong....hmmmm :mad:

Of course they do. But they're just common criminals, they don't try and pin their actions on a (good/god or bad/devil) entity.

fivelza
06-05-2007, 10:44 PM
Of course they do. But they're just common criminals, they don't try and pin their actions on a (good/god or bad/devil) entity.

Not every Christian who has failed does that...many are able to take full responsibility for their actions.

Neo
06-05-2007, 11:03 PM
Not every Christian who has failed does that...many are able to take full responsibility for their actions.

And that's cool (in a manner of speaking). It's the Hansie-types that really gets me...:(

The subject of this thread is specifically around pastors and they do seem to be the first to deflect blame when they get caught out indulging in the same sins they blast everyone else from the pulpit.

Look at drug addict and homosexual Teddy, after a few weeks of 'therapy' he's 'complete cured' and back at it again. :rolleyes: