View Full Version : A Riddle for Christians
Highflyer_GP
22-05-2007, 05:52 PM
In response to http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1049320#post1049320 :
Johnny is 11. He is being taught the principles of the american constitution and its amendments by his Christian parents. Recent lessons given him has focused on the first amendment.
The other day, Johnny's school teacher gave him some math problems for homework. When his teacher checked his homework the next day, she was astonished that Johnny gave everyone of the problems incorrect answers.
His teacher therefore called him to her desk and asked him had he forgotten how to solve such problems. But Johnny said to his teacher, "None of my answers are incorrect." His teacher asked him why did he say such, and he said, "Because the answers are the ones I believe them to be, and I have a constitutional right to my opinion. You have the opinion that the answers should be such and such, but I say differently. You cannot say my answers are wrong. I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours. If you are dogmatic that my answers should be the same as yours, that makes you self-righteous and a biggot. If you say my answers are wrong, you are judging me. Judge not lest you be judged. I deserve an 'A' like everyone else."
The riddle is this: Who is right, Johnny or his teacher? Is there a Christian who can solve this riddle?
Disclaimer: This isn't my reasoning, but apparently TheD00sman is trying to make a point.
Because the bible said so :D
cyghost
22-05-2007, 06:14 PM
What would Jesus do?
noxibox
22-05-2007, 07:07 PM
What would Jesus do?
Get nailed to a couple of planks.
cyghost
22-05-2007, 07:14 PM
Am I evil when I laugh at that? I hope not. But I couldn't really help a giggle.
On that topic: How insane is it for a father to have his son killed to save everyone who believes he actually did it??
I mean come on! God can forgive whomever she want, whenever she wants for whatever she wants. She doesn't need to play silly games!! For her to devise this sleigh, underhanded tactic seems preposterous.
Its so clearly a human device and built to make one feel smug and complacent. I'm going to heaven, I'm going to heaven. You'll burn in hell for all of eternity plus a day.. wêêê
Its nuts! I tell you!
noxibox
22-05-2007, 07:37 PM
The story makes no sense anyway. If Jesus is an immortal god, then he can't be killed, so God couldn't sacrifice his son. Even if he were mortal God raised him from the dead, so he didn't stay dead and therefore he wasn't really sacrificed.
kapovski
22-05-2007, 07:53 PM
[QUOTE=cyghost;1049418].... sleigh.... [QUOTE]
This is a great word! I love this word. It reminds me of christmas!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sleigh
cyghost
22-05-2007, 08:00 PM
:D
I'll use a staunch defense I have seen other utilize: I am Afrikaans!!!
sly use sly! damn FF2 dictionary! :p
Mr TB
22-05-2007, 08:03 PM
In response to http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1049320#post1049320 :
Johnny is 11. He is being taught the principles of the american constitution and its amendments by his Christian parents. Recent lessons given him has focused on the first amendment.
The other day, Johnny's school teacher gave him some math problems for homework. When his teacher checked his homework the next day, she was astonished that Johnny gave everyone of the problems incorrect answers.
His teacher therefore called him to her desk and asked him had he forgotten how to solve such problems. But Johnny said to his teacher, "None of my answers are incorrect." His teacher asked him why did he say such, and he said, "Because the answers are the ones I believe them to be, and I have a constitutional right to my opinion. You have the opinion that the answers should be such and such, but I say differently. You cannot say my answers are wrong. I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours. If you are dogmatic that my answers should be the same as yours, that makes you self-righteous and a biggot. If you say my answers are wrong, you are judging me. Judge not lest you be judged. I deserve an 'A' like everyone else."
The riddle is this: Who is right, Johnny or his teacher? Is there a Christian who can solve this riddle?
Disclaimer: This isn't my reasoning, but apparently TheD00sman is trying to make a point.
Live up to your signature copycat...
cyghost
22-05-2007, 08:05 PM
You read the disclaimer right? You should always read the fine print... and the foot notes.
Mr TB
22-05-2007, 08:09 PM
Flesh can... IOW that part of mankind, flesh,soul and spirit, that part that pulls mankind into the pit of darkness...
cyghost
22-05-2007, 08:27 PM
erm... what?
Do you actually work at not making sense? Or does it come naturally?
erm... what?
Do you actually work at not making sense? Or does it come naturally?
That's normal for planet Dodo
Highflyer_GP
22-05-2007, 08:57 PM
Live up to your signature copycat...
STFU & **** b1rdbr41n...
Mr TB
22-05-2007, 09:26 PM
STFU & **** b1rdbr41n...
Your cliche is dodo , copycat may suite you well....hehehe...
Mr TB
22-05-2007, 09:45 PM
The story makes no sense anyway. If Jesus is an immortal god, then he can't be killed, so God couldn't sacrifice his son. Even if he were mortal God raised him from the dead, so he didn't stay dead and therefore he wasn't really sacrificed.
Hallo Cyghost are you there?... see if you can follow an idiot's statement...
Flesh can be sacrificed, do you agree?... I believe it can...
Man consist of flesh, soul and spirit, you may not agree but that is my view.
God as Jesus as man sacrifice His flesh, unblemished flesh because He did not sin... Raised on the 3rd day receiving a permanent body...
Jesus was raised by the power of the Holy Spirit and therefor being raised from the death means HE has authority over death. Death does not have any authority over Jesus anymore.
My opinion is clear if you dwell within God and do His will you will be able to pray for a dead person and bring him back to life in the Name of Jesus...
... see if you can follow an idiot's statement...
I dont know about Cyghost, but I for one cant follow your statements
cyghost
22-05-2007, 10:00 PM
Hello Mr TB. I see you meant that previous post in answer to noxibox's post. It really can be hard to follow you at times mate. I am sure you mean well though.
I have to support Gru here again though, I follow very little of the logic in your post(s).
flesh, spirit and soul hey? I was kinda under the impression that the latter two is more or less the same thing? Just go to show you what I know!
How do you know we have a soul and spirit?
nihilist
22-05-2007, 10:04 PM
The Bible has it that Jesus' body was mortal but his soul (, being part of God) is immortal.
The story makes no sense anyway. If Jesus is an immortal god, then he can't be killed, so God couldn't sacrifice his son. Even if he were mortal God raised him from the dead, so he didn't stay dead and therefore he wasn't really sacrificed.
cyghost
22-05-2007, 10:15 PM
Now see Mr TB? THAT is how you refute a statement...
I see noxibox's point as being the whole idea of it being this huge sacrifice was nonsense if taken with the sure knowledge that he'd wake up again after conquering death. Sure he was supposed to be human and the suffering was supposed to have been very real as was his death but ultimately, and this is what the xtain belief rests on, it was necessary and the outcome saves everyone who believes it to be true...
I can not see the necessity for this violence and bloodshed. Its a novel idea to believe someone offers their life to save others. Thats what we consider heroic. And so Jesus becomes the ultimate hero, with his death he saves everyone (who is prepared to take this on faith that is)
Mr TB
22-05-2007, 10:18 PM
I dont know about Cyghost, but I for one cant follow your statements
Read the bible again that may help...
Read the bible again that may help...
So you're saying it's the bible that made you senile?
I kinda like my thoughts coherent thank you
Highflyer_GP
22-05-2007, 10:40 PM
Your cliche is dodo , copycat may suite you well....hehehe...
Ironic coming from someone who can't form their own opinion, and resorts to copy/paste replies (in the most irrelevant of places mind you).
Mr TB
22-05-2007, 10:43 PM
Ironic coming from someone who can't form their own opinion, and resorts to copy/paste replies (in the most irrelevant of places mind you).
Copycat, I kinda like it don't you?
Highflyer_GP
22-05-2007, 10:50 PM
Copycat, I kinda like it don't you?
I believe you mentioned that you were 40-odd years old? Yet you exhibit the behaviour of a 4 year old? It's no wonder that your posts are all retarded - it's not your lack of english, it's just you!
TheBossMan
23-05-2007, 08:34 AM
In response to http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1049320#post1049320 :
Johnny is 11. He is being taught the principles of the american constitution and its amendments by his Christian parents. Recent lessons given him has focused on the first amendment.
The other day, Johnny's school teacher gave him some math problems for homework. When his teacher checked his homework the next day, she was astonished that Johnny gave everyone of the problems incorrect answers.
His teacher therefore called him to her desk and asked him had he forgotten how to solve such problems. But Johnny said to his teacher, "None of my answers are incorrect." His teacher asked him why did he say such, and he said, "Because the answers are the ones I believe them to be, and I have a constitutional right to my opinion. You have the opinion that the answers should be such and such, but I say differently. You cannot say my answers are wrong. I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours. If you are dogmatic that my answers should be the same as yours, that makes you self-righteous and a biggot. If you say my answers are wrong, you are judging me. Judge not lest you be judged. I deserve an 'A' like everyone else."
The riddle is this: Who is right, Johnny or his teacher? Is there a Christian who can solve this riddle?
Disclaimer: This isn't my reasoning, but apparently TheD00sman is trying to make a point.
the teacher is right.
and the principles of the american constitution and its amendments
which allows Jonny to be ignorant is wrong..
See not that hard...
Can't say the same for the rest of you..
cyghost
23-05-2007, 09:05 AM
So maths > teh amercian constitution?
big deal
evolution > creationism
see I can make **** up too!
TheBossMan
23-05-2007, 09:17 AM
^
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Sorry your whole agrument seems very lame..
as you guys said before evolution is just a theory or "a idea" which someone sucked out of his thumb about 150 years ago.. not a fact, but a theory..
creationism come from the beginning of time, not just 150 years back..
So as I see it creationism > evolution (just a theory)
cyghost
23-05-2007, 09:21 AM
meh When is the beginning of time please?? A rough estimate will do. Thank you.
ToxicBunny
23-05-2007, 09:40 AM
I would also like to know when the beginning of time was... it would be interesting to find out that piece of information
Mr TB
23-05-2007, 09:53 AM
^
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Sorry your whole agrument seems very lame..
as you guys said before evolution is just a theory or "a idea" which someone sucked out of his thumb about 150 years ago.. not a fact, but a theory..
creationism come from the beginning of time, not just 150 years back..
So as I see it creationism > evolution (just a theory)
No Boss don't compliment them, prove backs a theory.
So it is an idea, not a theory only a hypothesis
Please change it to unsubstanstiated hypothesis of particle to man evolution.
ToxicBunny
23-05-2007, 09:55 AM
*blink*
is someone completely unable to read english?
cyghost
23-05-2007, 10:02 AM
Please change it to unsubstanstiated hypothesis of particle to man evolution.
Please hand your Internet back at the front desk. You failed at the Internet and thats just sad. But the Internet will be better and faster without you.
Good bye.
Highflyer_GP
23-05-2007, 12:41 PM
the teacher is right.
and the principles of the american constitution and its amendments
which allows Jonny to be ignorant is wrong..
See not that hard...
Rofl so you just admitted that it wouldn't make a difference what the parent's belief system was (since your answer is the same as the other thread)!
So then my question is what is your point? Are you just taking a stab at Atheists because you feel threatened that more people are moving away from the lies that your church preaches?
Mr TB
23-05-2007, 12:56 PM
Rofl so you just admitted that it wouldn't make a difference what the parent's belief system was (since your answer is the same as the other thread)!
So then my question is what is your point? Are you just taking a stab at Atheists because you feel threatened that more people are moving away from the lies that your church preaches?
Yes, but the American constitution and its amendments as set in 1776 it built on the Word of God.... Built on the Bible... bang,chitty,chitty,boom,...bang...
cyghost
23-05-2007, 12:59 PM
Rofl so you just admitted that it wouldn't make a difference what the parent's belief system was (since your answer is the same as the other thread)!
Owned! Your trick worked!
Yes, but the American constitution and its amendments as set in 1776 it built on the Word of God.... Built on the Bible.
It most certainly is not.
Highflyer_GP
23-05-2007, 01:49 PM
Yes, but the American constitution and its amendments as set in 1776 it built on the Word of God.... Built on the Bible... bang,chitty,chitty,boom,...bang...
The exact opposite! Read a little more on Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers. It's built on secluarism i.e. keeping religion and state separate.
Owned! Your trick worked!
He owned himself, the d00s! lol
FlyingPika
09-09-2007, 11:00 PM
Am I evil when I laugh at that? I hope not. But I couldn't really help a giggle.
On that topic: How insane is it for a father to have his son killed to save everyone who believes he actually did it??
I mean come on! God can forgive whomever she want, whenever she wants for whatever she wants. She doesn't need to play silly games!! For her to devise this sleigh, underhanded tactic seems preposterous.
Its so clearly a human device and built to make one feel smug and complacent. I'm going to heaven, I'm going to heaven. You'll burn in hell for all of eternity plus a day.. wêêê
Its nuts! I tell you!
God exalts his law and his word above himself.
FlyingPika
09-09-2007, 11:03 PM
The story makes no sense anyway. If Jesus is an immortal god, then he can't be killed, so God couldn't sacrifice his son. Even if he were mortal God raised him from the dead, so he didn't stay dead and therefore he wasn't really sacrificed.
He was God in a human body. He put aside his God hood and took on the form of a human. His physical body died. Just like when you die some day u will leave your body, and probably look at your body for a few moments, before either entering a tunnel (with light at the end of it) to heaven or be dragged off to hell. Depending on what you believe. Good people dont goto heaven, believers do.
cyghost
09-09-2007, 11:23 PM
God exalts his law and his word above himself.
I have no idea what you are on about...
cyghost
09-09-2007, 11:24 PM
Good people dont goto heaven, believers do.
ha ha ha
Enjoy your heaven. I want no part of it.
FlyingPika
09-09-2007, 11:29 PM
I have no idea what you are on about...
You asked why cant God just say, "everyone us forgiven", theres no need for anyone dying etc.
Well God is a God of justice. I assume you think a murder should get an appropriate sentence. And if the judge lets him go free, you say the judge is corrupt.
God is holy and his standards are much higher than ours. He will not break the law for us, because he is not corrupt.
The penalty for our sin had to be paid for.
cyghost
09-09-2007, 11:35 PM
The penalty for our sin had to be paid
for.
Infinite punishment for finite crimes is unjust, immoral and psychopathic.
FlyingPika
09-09-2007, 11:43 PM
Infinite punishment for finite crimes is unjust, immoral and psychopathic.
Sinning against an infinitely holy God is infinitely offensive.
You cant undo it, you cant pay for your sins. And hes not going destroy your spirit. But Hes such a good God he even gives you your hearts desire, that being nothing to do with God.
What is God? God is love, peace, joy, light etc. Take the opposite of that and thats what hell is.
Conspirator
10-09-2007, 01:38 AM
But Hes such a good God he even gives you your hearts desire, that being nothing to do with God.
Try Afrikaans/Morse Code. English is cramping your style.
Good people dont goto heaven, believers do.
Any belief in particular, or will Santa/Allah also do?
So God is "love, peace, joy, light", but will punish me ad infinitum if I sin. Thanks, but you can keep your God. I can do without such vengefulness.
TheREV
10-09-2007, 02:13 AM
Wow. 25 posts before someone actually posted on-topic, and only two references to the original post in the whole thread so far.
Way to go Christians.
Firstly, this was based on "math problems" - therefore there is no opinion or leeway. Either 1+1 = 2 or we are all insane.
Secondly, while it is great to defend your religion, the way that some of you go about it, I wonder whether you really practice what you 'preach'.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Mr TB
10-09-2007, 02:47 PM
CYGHOST
ha ha ha
Enjoy your heaven. I want no part of it.
Why are you trying to be sarcastic? ... trying to hide the regret of your choice already?
ha ha ha
Enjoy your heaven. I want no part of it.
Lol, to quote William Murderface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Murderface):
"I'd rather die than go to heaven."
The Cosmos
10-09-2007, 04:19 PM
Infinite punishment for finite crimes is unjust, immoral and psychopathic.
If people don't want to listen, and learn in all the years of their lifetime, then the punishment is just.
The Cosmos
12-09-2007, 10:19 PM
In response to http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1049320#post1049320 :
Johnny is 11. He is being taught the principles of the american constitution and its amendments by his Christian parents. Recent lessons given him has focused on the first amendment.
The other day, Johnny's school teacher gave him some math problems for homework. When his teacher checked his homework the next day, she was astonished that Johnny gave everyone of the problems incorrect answers.
His teacher therefore called him to her desk and asked him had he forgotten how to solve such problems. But Johnny said to his teacher, "None of my answers are incorrect." His teacher asked him why did he say such, and he said, "Because the answers are the ones I believe them to be, and I have a constitutional right to my opinion. You have the opinion that the answers should be such and such, but I say differently. You cannot say my answers are wrong. I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours. If you are dogmatic that my answers should be the same as yours, that makes you self-righteous and a biggot. If you say my answers are wrong, you are judging me. Judge not lest you be judged. I deserve an 'A' like everyone else."
The riddle is this: Who is right, Johnny or his teacher? Is there a Christian who can solve this riddle?
Disclaimer: This isn't my reasoning, but apparently TheD00sman is trying to make a point.
It's this type of thing, that warrants an ignore list.... seriously. Be original. :rolleyes:
Robin Hood
21-09-2007, 05:34 PM
Johnny is wrong...When you go to school and have to answer to SCHOOL questions, you have to believe in the teacher...because thats why u'r suppose to be there...learn from the teacher...If Johhny was correct...Why did he go to school then?...If Johhny was arguing about an "out of school" question....the answer is mutual ;)