Zim influences SA

[janp0s]

http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-25_2144127


Zimbabwean police have arrested more than 1 300 shop owners and business executives for defying the government's order so far, reports IOL.

Of those arrested include two South African businessmen, one from Edgars and the other from Nando's, for failing to slash their prices by half as the Robert Mugabe-led government instructed last week.

bwawhawhawhawa

Can we now say to Mbeki - "Told you so".

Wonder how long it is before FIFA withdraws 2010 from SA due to instability issues.

[Syndyre]

I wonder what the comment from the SA government is going to be after this blatant attack on SA interests and citizens?

[janp0s]

Mbeki is going to say we should sort out our own problems he is tooooooo busy drinking Johny Walker Blue.

[janp0s]

http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/dailymailer.aspx?ID=BD4A511757

Even his own is turning against him, and what does he do... fires them. babwawbaw ,you must admire the man


Gono has also written to State Security Minister Didymus Mutasa, who chairs the joint operations command behind the blitz, saying he opposed the campaign.

This is said to have angered Mugabe, and left him considering firing his previously loyal right-hand man, a move that could spell more trouble for his embattled regime.

[Syndyre]

Mugabe won't last long, we can only hope he suffers the same fate as Mussolini...

[McSack]

... and in even more scary news:


The Southern African Development Community (SADC) is preparing a dramatic plan to rescue the shattered Zimbabwean economy by extending the rand monetary area into Zimbabwe, according to sources.

FANTASTIC solution there okes.:sick: Rather give money that could be used for the upliftment of South Africans to that f@#cking crazy b@stard across the border

[McSack]

link to that story:

SADC to bail mad bob out (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=84&art_id=vn20070708094430168C727824)

:sick::mad::eek:

[Scooby_Doo]

lol i love reading about Zim, its like a mad house in there. That "man" is completly insane.

[IamCanadian]

Mugabe won't last long, we can only hope he suffers the same fate as Mussolini...

He will last long.

As long as South Africa continues to prop him up, he will last until the old goat dies of old age.

Kind of reminds me of SA propping up Smith's Rhodesian govt after UDI. They lasted a LONG time.

SA needs to impose sanctions on Zim. Cut off fuel and electrical supplies and then build a 10 meter high concrete fence along the SA zim border.

Let's see how long uncle bob lasts then.

[rwenzori]

In the latest pandamonium, the price of fuel has been slashed by 70% - from Z$180 000 (about R5 000) to Z$55 000 (about R1 500).

:confused: Something looks wrong here.

From another story:


In a move likely to precipitate a fuel crisis, the teams on Saturday ordered service stations in Harare to reduce the price of a litre of diesel and petrol from about 200 000 Zimbabwe dollars to between 55 000 and 60 000 dollars.

The new price is worth around 0.34 US dollars per litre, which is way below the selling price for fuel in the region. In neighbouring Mozambique, petrol sells for nearly 1.50 US dollars a litre.

[Cadavre777]

Maybe Mbeki's 'silent diplomacy' should come into effect. Silently ignoring all requests for aid from Zimbabwe, closing down the borders. If I was a shop owner, I would close the doors and keep the stock for self preservation. How long do you think Uncle Bob's supporters will stand by him if he cant feed them?

[janp0s]

You know what will happen... SA will welcome old bob with open arms and all his refugees.

If that happens this country is f$cked

[janp0s]

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2144409,00.html


Thousands of students were on Monday evicted from Zimbabwe's main university campus after they protested at the weekend against a decision to deny them food for not paying their fees.

Now there goes a bunch of ppl dreams, but they deserve since they probably think old bob is a hero for killing of the white ppl

What does this all prove to us... I know I'm going to get banned for this, but F4kd it...

It justs prove that africans dont have the knowledge nor the experience to rule ppl lives.

Show me any country in Africa that is successful and no SA doesnt count

[efitol]

http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/0,,2-11-1662_2144409,00.html



Now there goes a bunch of ppl dreams, but they deserve since they probably think old bob is a hero for killing of the white ppl

What does this all prove to us... I know I'm going to get banned for this, but F4kd it...

It justs prove that africans dont have the knowledge nor the experience to rule ppl lives.

Show me any country in Africa that is successful and no SA doesnt count

morocco? egypt? algeria? and why doesnt SA count? :rolleyes:

[xtermin8or]

The Department of Foreign Affairs is obliged to help South African citizens if they are in trouble outside the country. They have shown this through rescue missions after the Tsunami, Indian Earthquakes etc.

But the businessmen and/or their families or managers etc have to inform the Department of the issues - Once the Department has this they can step in to help - otherwise their hands are tied

[Syndyre]

The Department of Foreign Affairs is obliged to help South African citizens if they are in trouble outside the country. They have shown this through rescue missions after the Tsunami, Indian Earthquakes etc.

But the businessmen and/or their families or managers etc have to inform the Department of the issues - Once the Department has this they can step in to help - otherwise their hands are tied

I know, I just hope they do more than help the citizens through normal diplomatic channels and actually go after Mugabe this time.

[xtermin8or]

I haver heard that there is already alot of 'behind the scenes' work going on to bring the ruling ZANU-PF and MDC parties together around a table to negotiate.

Mugabe knows his time is running out, and this is a last ditch attempt to curry favour with the masses - you know, "hey look at me Im concerned for your wellbeing and have slashed prices and brought down inflation"

[lsuacner]

I haver heard that there is already alot of 'behind the scenes' work going on to bring the ruling ZANU-PF and MDC parties together around a table to negotiate.

Mugabe knows his time is running out, and this is a last ditch attempt to curry favour with the masses - you know, "hey look at me Im concerned for your wellbeing and have slashed prices and brought down inflation"

The masses are not educated enough to realise that this last ditch effort, completely ruined any hope for a recovery. In RSA our education system is also lacking, there is a lack of skilled workers and as things go downhill from there the masses will be too ignorant to realise whats going on.

[Tassidar]

The masses are not educated enough to realise that this last ditch effort, completely ruined any hope for a recovery. In RSA our education system is also lacking, there is a lack of skilled workers and as things go downhill from there the masses will be too ignorant to realise whats going on.

It's ironic isn't it that Zimbabwe had the best education system in Africa?

[lsuacner]

It's ironic isn't it that Zimbabwe had the best education system in Africa?

How many professional, skilled people are left there?

[xtermin8or]

The masses are not educated enough to realise that this last ditch effort, completely ruined any hope for a recovery.

Yes, but there is hope, aside from the South African intervention, Zimbabwe like South Africa is not a country with only ignorant people, there are many intellectuals in both countries. Zimbabwean intellectuals have already seen the folly of Bob's ways and need to start speaking out.

I am not going to go into what South Africans need to do to stop a similair situation in this country, I have done that so often on this forum, that I just don't have the energy

[Tassidar]

Yes, but there is hope, aside from the South African intervention, Zimbabwe like South Africa is not a country with only ignorant people, there are many intellectuals in both countries. Zimbabwean intellectuals have already seen the folly of Bob's ways and need to start speaking out.

I am not going to go into what South Africans need to do to stop a similair situation in this country, I have done that so often on this forum, that I just don't have the energy

Unfortunately, people are just too scared to speak out. At least, those with anything to lose are.

[xtermin8or]

They can speak out from outside the country, hopefully though once the negotiations are underway, people will be more prepared to speak out

[Moederloos]

:confused: Something looks wrong here.

From another story:

It highlights the "official" Zim exchange rate and the "real" one.

[Syndyre]

I haver heard that there is already alot of 'behind the scenes' work going on to bring the ruling ZANU-PF and MDC parties together around a table to negotiate.

Mugabe knows his time is running out, and this is a last ditch attempt to curry favour with the masses - you know, "hey look at me Im concerned for your wellbeing and have slashed prices and brought down inflation"

Desperate attempt really, hopefully as part of the negotiations Mugabe won't be offered a nice comfortable retirement in SA. These dictators need to see their actions have consequences.

[Syndyre]

They can speak out from outside the country, hopefully though once the negotiations are underway, people will be more prepared to speak out

A lot of people I know from Zim are too scared to speak out because they still have family/friends in Zim. I've heard specifically of cases where after speaking out here they've had relatives in Zim arrested and threatened etc. I've even heard of people being directly threatened in SA actually.

[Tassidar]

They can speak out from outside the country, hopefully though once the negotiations are underway, people will be more prepared to speak out

People like Cathy Buckle have been speaking out for ages, inside the country. But the fact that Mugabe ignores all criticism, and the rest of the world doesn't want to get involved means that the criticism is pretty much useless.

There are realistically three options in Zimbabwe:
(1) Mugabe dies.
(2) Foreign intervention
(3) Uprising / revolution

Since Mugabe has been in power for 27 years now, I see it as highly unlikely that he is going to step down. He has played the negotiations card before. In essence, it is simply a tactic to buy time.

[Sneeky]

The MDC should sit tight, the way it looks now, the MDC holds all the aces at the moment.
Zanu-PF is in a self destruct cycle and the only reason they want to talk is to maintain power post Mugabe.

[lsuacner]

Yes.

[IamCanadian]

People like Cathy Buckle have been speaking out for ages, inside the country. But the fact that Mugabe ignores all criticism, and the rest of the world doesn't want to get involved means that the criticism is pretty much useless.

There are realistically three options in Zimbabwe:
(1) Mugabe dies.
(2) Foreign intervention
(3) Uprising / revolution

Since Mugabe has been in power for 27 years now, I see it as highly unlikely that he is going to step down. He has played the negotiations card before. In essence, it is simply a tactic to buy time.

Indeed, there are people who speak out from inside the country and they get beaten up or whatever.

Mugabe's government is no different than the National Party in SA in terms of using power to stay in control. The difference here is that Mugabe's guavament is black therefore it will continue to do as it pleases with no fear of repercussions. And when Mugabe is dead and buried, someone else like him will take his place.

[Shaka]

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bwawhawhawhawa

Can we now say to Mbeki - "Told you so".

Wonder how long it is before FIFA withdraws 2010 from SA due to instability issues.

FIfa won't withdraw 2010, why should Zimbabwe problems become south Africa problems? Why it won't become Zambia problems? Mbeki cannot support the UK/USA coup attempt against President Mugabe. If he does then he put the whole continent in danger of another occupation and that won't happen. All my best wishes to president Mugabe, may God protect Zimbabwe and president Mugabe against the coup attempt.

[Shaka]

Where is my signature gone? Strange things happen in this forum; almost like the Mafia.

[Shaka]

it won't be long before i won't be able to log in, if that happen it won't be a suprise, i may be facing a coup attemp too

[Slooth]

Shaka, I've missed you... where have you been? You're far to adorable for words and funny too :D

[Shaka]

Shaka, I've missed you... where have you been? You're far to adorable for words and funny too :D

Nice to hear that. i just want to inform you that i will be banned soon, i am sure you will be relieved once it is done. the only thing i do not undestand is why are they pretending to respect to rules, why can't they just do it without pretending to be fair and balanced when even a baby will see there is nothing fair and balanced here

[lsuacner]

Signatures are removed because it is questionable.

If my signature was "Shaka is an idiot" they would remove it in due time, though not immediately.

Anyway Shaka, how did Britain and America manage to bring Zim to its knees? Was Mugabe incompetent? Was Mugabe so incompetent to the degree that evil Britain and America has won? Must make the rulers of those countries pretty smart compared to old Mugabe.

USA and UK won't bother entering to Zimbabwe, because its worthless, one American company can buy the whole of Zimbabwe if they were so inclined. Google can buy the whole of Kenya.

Zimbabwe is burning down, burning down, burning down.
Zimbabwe is burning down.
My fair lady.

[lsuacner]

Nice to hear that. i just want to inform you that i will be banned soon, i am sure you will be relieved once it is done. the only thing i do not undestand is why are they pretending to respect to rules, why can't they just do it without pretending to be fair and balanced when even a baby will see there is nothing fair and balanced here

They banned people for far less than what you do.
The moderators have been very patient with you as far as I can tell.

Before you go Shaka, you were my favourite idiot, I will think back to you when I see RSA has tumbled like Zim has, due to racist or stupid government policies. RSA values political popularity over the long-term welfare of their own people also.

[Capetonian688]

Nice to hear that. i just want to inform you that i will be banned soon, i am sure you will be relieved once it is done. the only thing i do not undestand is why are they pretending to respect to rules, why can't they just do it without pretending to be fair and balanced when even a baby will see there is nothing fair and balanced here

Yes. I find my posts and threads are deleted as they please. The moderators have double standards. They say in the Caution that negative news or threads must not be posted, but they are still being posted. Why punish us by removing our posts as they please, but do nothing against the people that post negative topics??

They are surpressing free discussion and right to own free opinion, by deleting posts as they please. Very disconcerting.

[lsuacner]

Negative views would be posting an article on racial tension, which does nothing but increase racial tension. It makes people respond with negative, emotional comments.

Zimbabwe going down the drain officially is not negative in the same sense.

I am sure you are smart enough to comprehend the differences if you put aside your prejudices.

[supersunbird]

I haver heard that there is already alot of 'behind the scenes' work going on to bring the ruling ZANU-PF and MDC parties together around a table to negotiate.

LOL, that behind the scenes works has been going on for years now and havent gone anywhere, basically the ZanuPF doesnt want to ever see the MDC and tell lies about wanting too...

[StrongTurd]

That 'behind the scenes' work has failed yet again. I see that the ZANU delegation again failed to show up at the 'substantive' talks that were to take place in Pretoria yesterday, leaving the MDC and T-bone to sit around twiddling their thumbs.

http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=16968

Your mediation efforts are looking really pathetic, Mr. Mbeki. So funny!

[McSack]

Mbeki cannot support the UK/USA coup attempt against President Mugabe. If he does then he put the whole continent in danger of another occupation and that won't happen. .


AHahahaAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHAAAAH!!

Moderators please don't ban this chop. His comments make my day.

[rwenzori]

That 'behind the scenes' work has failed yet again. I see that the ZANU delegation again failed to show up at the 'substantive' talks that were to take place in Pretoria yesterday, leaving the MDC and T-bone to sit around twiddling their thumbs.

http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=16968

Your mediation efforts are looking really pathetic, Mr. Mbeki. So funny!

I believe that they didn't pitch because there was no avgas for their plane, nor petrol for their standby Hi-Ace.
;)

Who is T-Bone? The Tit ou?

[Crabby]

Seems as they don't want the aid anyway.

Would lose their 'sovereign' status if SA took over their central bank.

http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=16967


President Robert Mugabe’s government has dismissed as “wishful-thinking” reports that the Southern African Development Community (SADC) was planning to rescue Zimbabwe’s increasingly worthless currency by linking it to South Africa’s rand. Information Minister and chief government spokesman Sikhanyiso Ndlovu dismissed the reported plan offhand, saying Zimbabwe, as a sovereign state could not surrender control of its currency to a foreign state. "I have read those reports, but I can tell you that is wishful thinking," Ndlovu told ZimOnline. "How can that be when we are a sovereign state?" added Ndlovu, who spoke as SADC secretary general Tomaz Salomao left Zimbabwe on Sunday after holding talks with Harare officials on how to rescue the collapsing economy.

[Slooth]

Yes. I find my posts and threads are deleted as they please. The moderators have double standards. They say in the Caution that negative news or threads must not be posted, but they are still being posted. Why punish us by removing our posts as they please, but do nothing against the people that post negative topics??

They are surpressing free discussion and right to own free opinion, by deleting posts as they please. Very disconcerting.

You ask for freedom of speech and then ask to have negative news/posts to be banned? Where's the freedom in that?

Negativity is based on perception, what you might find negative another might feel is reality. In effect what you're asking for is the mods to remove anything you feel is negative.

Your posts in all likelihood get removed because of personal attacks on individuals.

[Capetonian688]

You ask for freedom of speech and then ask to have negative news/posts to be banned? Where's the freedom in that?

Negativity is based on perception, what you might find negative another might feel is reality. In effect what you're asking for is the mods to remove anything you feel is negative.

Your posts in all likelihood get removed because of personal attacks on individuals.

It is not me that ask for freedom of speech and then ask to have negative news/posts to be banned. It is the moderators that have that double standards. Please do not project their inconsistencies on me. I merely enquired about them, since my posts was being deleted and other posts, which was also in offence of their stipulations, was not being deleted.

[lion_fish]

Please do not project their inconsistencies on me

ROFL!!!!! :D :D :D :D