Rumour

[SonZeRo]

I have heard a rather disturbing (if true) rumour. Rumour goes that Vodacom will be introducing a upgrade/alternative to 3G and that people who are using current hardware will not be able to use the hardware on the new System.

Im hoping this is just a bad rumour as it also states that Users will have to purchase new hardware as it wont be swopped out. :eek:

[pope24]

Well there should be an upgrade to HSUPA which gives faster uploads. This is an upgrade that has been in the pipeline for some time.

[ajax]

I really don't see the purpose of entertaining rumours

[SonZeRo]

ok but if hsupa gets launched will the normal/current 3g devices work or not.

edit: only reason im entertainng this rumour is, so that if its true and new hardware needs to be bought i can take leave when that happens.

[Jase]

I really don't see the purpose of entertaining rumours

Ja, rather wait for reality to smack you in the face. Way more fun then! :D

[ColinR]

will the normal/current 3g devices work or not.

It will still work, just won't be able to connect at the faster speeds. It'll carry on at the current connected speed.

[SFW007]

if you using the usb modem you would be able to upgrade the modem to run 7.2mbs as mentioned before here------------->http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=89084

[SonZeRo]

thats good to hear. now i need to think of another reason to book some leave ;-)

[ic]

As with all rumours from unnamed sources and that develop a life of their own not based on fact and that evolve by word of mouth, IMO the following word applies - and it could be the first time I have ever used this word: "poppycock".

Vodacom will at some point introduce a WiMax service, however if anyone is expecting their HSDPA modems to work with WiMax, then I suggest letting fingers do the walking through the Shrink section in the Yellow Pages, other than that backwards compatibility applies to the HSPA network and modems etc.

[JK8]

I have heard a rather disturbing (if true) rumour. Rumour goes that Vodacom will be introducing a upgrade/alternative to 3G and that people who are using current hardware will not be able to use the hardware on the new System.

Im hoping this is just a bad rumour as it also states that Users will have to purchase new hardware as it wont be swopped out. :eek:

I think you trying to say Voda (all SPs) will introduce a faster data service that standard data cards and modems cant use???

Ye then you right. HSDPA 3.6MBs and 7.2MBs wont be supported by current data cards The old Novatels that are a year old.

Even phones like the ZV50.

But the N95's, E90's, and USB modems that are 3,6Mbs compatible will work..... and then theres 7.2MBs that will also need new hardware or maybe a SW upgrade.

[SonZeRo]

Ok so lets say vodacom is rolling out full hsdpa (3.6Mbs) the people using e220's and the pcxpress cards wont need to upgrade hardware(maybe firmware) but holders of the older pcmcia cards (novatel's and (hauwei e620?)) will need to get new hardware?

i never said that if they rolled out wimax, people would like to use current hardware.

[ic]

Ok so lets say vodacom is rolling out full hsdpa (3.6Mbs)Or more correctly that it was done some time back.
the people using e220's and the pcxpress cards wont need to upgrade hardware(maybe firmware)Correct.
but holders of the older pcmcia cards (novatel's and (hauwei e620?)) will need to get new hardware?Incorrect.
i never said that if they rolled out wimax, people would like to use current hardware.I know you didn't, I simply commented on one of the possible meanings of the rumour that you posted.

I suggest that you tell the person that told you about this rumour, that the rumour is a derivative of proverbial stuff that hits fans.

[ginggs]

Ok so lets say vodacom is rolling out full hsdpa (3.6Mbs)
What is "full HSDPA"? I read some time ago that Ericsson were testing HSDPA at speeds of 24Mbps.

the people using e220's and the pcxpress cards wont need to upgrade hardware(maybe firmware) but holders of the older pcmcia cards (novatel's and (hauwei e620?)) will need to get new hardware?
They will probably need new hardware to take advantage of the new speeds, but they can continue to get their current speeds on their existing hardware.

[SonZeRo]

cool i shall tell the source to give more info in the future lol.

[vodacom3g]

What is "full HSDPA"? I read some time ago that Ericsson were testing HSDPA at speeds of 24Mbps.

They will probably need new hardware to take advantage of the new speeds, but they can continue to get their current speeds on their existing hardware.

The current HSPA spec maxes out at 14.4Mb/s. Anything above that will be the next gen spec, UTE.

[ic]

The current HSPA spec maxes out at 14.4Mb/s. Anything above that will be the next gen spec, UTE.:confused: what happened to LTE?

[vodacom3g]

:confused: what happened to LTE?

Got lost in too few hours sleep....

Actually Ultra (far away) Long-Term-Evolution is probably not so far off.....:rolleyes:

[ic]

Got lost in too few hours sleep....

Actually Ultra (far away) Long-Term-Evolution is probably not so far off.....:rolleyes:Time is relative, but I agree that <prediction>~14Mbps HS[D]PA will probably be a technical reality long before TelkodemonopoliesMedia supplies IPTV over ADSL2+ to more than 1 million customers</prediction>.

[ginggs]

The current HSPA spec maxes out at 14.4Mb/s. Anything above that will be the next gen spec, UTE.
Yes, my mistake, 14.4Mbps, not 24Mbps.

Here's an article about the new generation stuff:
http://www.telecomasia.net/article.php?type=article&id_article=6135
We can look forward to 14.4Mbps download and 1.9Mbps upload on HSDPA and HSUPA, and 144 Mbps for download and 24 Mbps upload on LTE, and Telkom will still be trying to overcharge us for local calls.

[vodacom3g]

Yes, my mistake, 14.4Mbps, not 24Mbps.

Here's an article about the new generation stuff:
http://www.telecomasia.net/article.php?type=article&id_article=6135
We can look forward to 14.4Mbps download and 1.9Mbps upload on HSDPA and HSUPA, and 144 Mbps for download and 24 Mbps upload on LTE, and Telkom will still be trying to overcharge us for local calls.

As per usual the network equipment will lead the terminal (modem) equipment by a fair amount. It's a real challenge to build the technology and CPU requirements into something as small as an Express card.

[dablakmark8]

So what does mean for consumers in a broader spectrum?

[ic]

So what does mean for consumers in a broader spectrum?In what sense?

[vodacom3g]

So what does mean for consumers in a broader spectrum?

In a 'broader spectrum' (pun intentional) we would be able to increase throughput, as the number of bits/cycle will stay the same. But we're only limited to 5MHz slots, so we have to use more and more complex encoding schemes such as 64QAM. Scary stuff.

But I don't think that's what you asked?

Practically you'll soon see 3.6Mb/s on the network and some of the terminal devices already support it, such as the E220.

(Probably) Around next year, the speed will increase to 7.2Mb/s in the downlink with probably around 1Mb/s in the uplink.

After that it gets fuzzy with no clear timelines. 14.4 is a while away.

LTE is very much at lab level at the moment and we won't see it in the near or medium term (at least a few years).

WiMax will slowly approach UMTS speeds but will not challenge the mobile space for a long while still (if ever). Rather it'll be a DSL replacement.

[ic]

WiMax will slowly approach UMTS speeds but will not challenge the mobile space for a long while still (if ever). Rather it'll be a DSL replacement.Fixed WiMax might be an ADSL replacement, but I doubt that we will see HD IPTV & VoD services running over WiMax in SA, so I doubt that WiMax will replace ADSL2+ in SA - although we don't actually have ADSL2+ thanks to Telkodemonopolies ongoing incompetence and guavamentally-protected monopoly status...:rolleyes:

[JK8]

So what does mean for consumers in a broader spectrum?

Lol you want your cards to be upgraded for free?:p
Doubt it will happen this time around.

[dablakmark8]

A few years time damn,I mean can we be the only 3rd world country(undeveloped nation)that has to suffer like this,No wonder ppl are leaving this country.