New smoking rules not well received

Plans by the government to further restrict smoking in public places has some business owners crying foul and threatening legal action.

"This regulation must be rejected because it is not possible to implement... ," said Township Liquor Traders Association secretary Patric Poggenpoel.

Ridiculous ! I think they should just mention places where people Can smoke ..if there are any left..
Bars and restaurants will loose Loads of Business due to this new law.

This truly has gone to far now.

Originally Posted by mouks

Ridiculous ! I think they should just mention places where people Can smoke ..if there are any left..
Bars and restaurants will loose Loads of Business due to this new law.

Non-smokers also seem to not know that quite a bit of money is made from taxing smokers.

What exactly are the new rules. The article does not mention them so there is no reference point.

Originally Posted by ponder

What exactly are the new rules. The article does not mention them so there is no reference point.

Originally Posted by The Article

The new rules would prohibit people from smoking in any public place, including restaurants bars and shebeens.

It also prevents them from smoking within 10 metres of a window to a public place.

I'm in the UK atm and the rules seem similar to those long in effect here. Despite fears people still go to pubs and eat out in restaurants.

I say ban all smoking!

Awesome.

Originally Posted by bwana

I'm in the UK atm and the rules seem similar to those long in effect here. Despite fears people still go to pubs and eat out in restaurants.

I remember when I was in the states, you had smoking restaurants and non-smoking restaurants. The smoking restaurants had many cars parked outside them and were busier than the non-smoking restaurants. Oh well, this will cost business owners. If a smoker can smoke while he eats he will probably stay longer and order more. If he cant, the second his meal his done he is probably out of there.

I wish people here were given the choice of smoking or non-smoking restaurants. However, that would be too fair for the fascists. I would be happy to pay more to be away from sanctimonious non-smokers.

Die smokers die!

http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/k...8#.T_2FDKXkjRY

‘Kick new law in the butt’

July 11 2012 at 10:48am
By Sue Segar

Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi has overstepped his powers with plans to clamp down on smoking.

That’s the opinion of the Law Review Project (LRP), and other roleplayers.

The Health Department’s draft regulations on tobacco control were draconian and unconstitutional, the LRP said on Tuesday.

The project’s spokesman, Tebogo Sewapa, said the fact that the draft laws were made by executive decree rather than through parliamentary legislation with transparent oversight was a direct violation of the constitutional requirement of the separation of powers between the executive, legislative and judicial authority.

The project argues that lawmaking should not be left to the executive.

It called on Motsoaledi to not proceed with the proposed regulations, and to refer them back to officials for fundamental reconsideration.

The Health Department published the draft regulations on the Tobacco Products Control Act on March 30 and invited the public to comment until the end of June. However, there will be no public debate or hearings on the proposed changes to the tobacco laws, leaving it up to the minister to decide which regulations to put in place.

If passed in their existing form, smoking will be banned in all public areas, including covered walkways, services areas, inside bars, on beaches and in restaurants.

Even smoking in the workplace may be prohibited.

Sewapa said: “Under sound basic principles of good law in a free society consenting adults should be allowed to determine their own conditions of interaction, and property owners have the right to determine conditions for entry, so long as no one violates the legitimate rights of others.”

Sewapa said attention needed to be drawn to the extent to which existing anti-smoking laws already diminished the rights and freedoms of smokers and non-smokers, employers and employees, and property owners.

“Our concern is that this proposal steps over the legitimate line of protection into the murky waters of authoritarianism,” said Sewapa.

The Tobacco Institute of Southern Africa has also described the regulations as excessively restrictive, and said Motsoaledi had acted beyond the powers given to him.

The Township Liquor Industry Association said the new laws would be impossible to implement. The Free Market Foundation has also criticised the proposals.

If this is indeed the case then it will not pass constitutional review.

Originally Posted by ghoti

I remember when I was in the states, you had smoking restaurants and non-smoking restaurants. The smoking restaurants had many cars parked outside them and were busier than the non-smoking restaurants. Oh well, this will cost business owners. If a smoker can smoke while he eats he will probably stay longer and order more. If he cant, the second his meal his done he is probably out of there.

Well even over here where you have smoking & non-smoking sections in establishments you will find the smoking section full and the other part with only a few people.

Originally Posted by ponder

Well even over here where you have smoking & non-smoking sections in establishments you will find the smoking section full and the other part with only a few people.

Yeah, and apparently we are a rich country that we can throw money away and cause this type of financial trauma on the hospitality industry.

Between smokers and children in restaurants I'll pick smokers any day.

I have no problem with smokers in Restaurants with smoking sections

That said I have a problem that my coworkers that smoke are by law allowed to take breaks to do it outside while us nonsmokers have to sit and work

Originally Posted by PsyWulf

I have no problem with smokers in Restaurants with smoking sections

That said I have a problem that my coworkers that smoke are by law allowed to take breaks to do it outside while us nonsmokers have to sit and work

While the smokers take a smoke break, I just walk around to stretch my legs, no problem is had.

Originally Posted by ghoti

Yeah, and apparently we are a rich country that we can throw money away and cause this type of financial trauma on the hospitality industry.

If you want to kill yourself do it at home.

Originally Posted by ChocolateBadger

While the smokers take a smoke break, I just walk around to stretch my legs, no problem is had.

This was frowned upon at Liberty,had to check out using specific codes dependant on what you were doing if you left your desk,nonsmokers couldn't use the "smoke break" code

Originally Posted by Qwikslver

If you want to kill yourself do it at home.

If you want to have an opinion on this. Do it at home.

I hope you see what Im trying to do here - Your fascist desire to control other people means nothing. Im asking for fairness. IE, have smoking and non-smoking restaurants and let people decide. You dont wanna even give people that option. Hectic how much you wanna control other people! Who you ganna go after once you have subverted the smokers? No booze in restaurants?