New smoking rules not well received

Originally Posted by Mike Hoxbig

That's a statement that you can't prove. We're one of the most obese countries in the world, so I could argue that obesity is also a strain on the health system. Yet I don't see any calls to ban McD's or Steers.

It's a logical, your 14% would be taken off something else you'd spend your money on, so the sin tax is the only thing that applies. Do you really think the small amount you pay per pack really out weighs the R100 000s your medical bill will cost?

Originally Posted by 2012

It's a logical, your 14% would be taken off something else you'd spend your money on, so the sin tax is the only thing that applies. Do you really think the small amount you pay per pack really out weighs the R100 000s your medical bill will cost?

ROFL since when will government pay for the medical bills? There is no mention of a trust fund being created out of sin tax to solemnly go for the good of smokers, my God you fall for propaganda.

Originally Posted by Nicodeamus

ROFL since when will government pay for the medical bills? There is no mention of a trust fund being created out of sin tax to solemnly go for the good of smokers, my God you fall for propaganda.

When did I say the sin tax went to hospitals? The comparision was that the amount of money the sin tax generates does not contribute to the system more than the hospital bills take from the system. Smoking BURDENS the system more than it CONRIBUTES (or in SA, is stolen by Zuma).

Better way to think of it:
Can that R100 000 bill spend on chemo be spent elsewhere better? Yes.

Originally Posted by 2012

When did I say the sin tax went to hospitals? The comparision was that the amount of money the sin tax generates does not contribute to the system more than the hospital bills take from the system. Smoking BURDENS the system more than it CONRIBUTES (or in SA, is stolen by Zuma).

Better way to think of it:
Can that R100 000 bill spend on chemo be spent elsewhere better? Yes.

lol and you believe that government knows best where government should spend that money? The money going to nicotine contributes to job creation, the money going to medical bills contribute to medical research all in all we might one day have way to smoke and also cure it instantaneously!

Originally Posted by Nicodeamus

lol and you believe that government knows best where government should spend that money? The money going to nicotine contributes to job creation, the money going to medical bills contribute to medical research all in all we might one day have way to smoke and also cure it instantaneously!

I'm sure you know that prevention is better than cure.

Originally Posted by Nicodeamus

the money going to medical bills contribute to medical research

Lol, you think medical bills fund research? That's cute.

In most cases medical aid pays for it, so medical aids have to raise the prices, so you are costing alot of people alot more.

Who pays those bills when someone who can't afford it/not coverd is rushed into emergancy?

Have stoke, use an entire emergancy team's time and focus... time that could have been spent helping someone else.



Heres a better solution, every single smoker, take your monthly fix budget and send it to CANSA, then you'll be contributing more than your silly justification that sin tax "helps".

Originally Posted by 2012

Lol, you think medical bills fund research? That's cute.

In most cases medical aid pays for it, so medical aids have to raise the prices, so you are costing alot of people alot more.

Who pays those bills when someone who can't afford it/not coverd is rushed into emergancy?

Have stoke, use an entire emergancy team's time and focus... time that could have been spent helping someone else.

Apply whatever you said to those who are obese as well. As with any insurance scheme, those at a higher risk pay a higher premium. You're not paying more than you would have otherwise.

It's amazing the justifications the addicts have for their addictions.

Originally Posted by Mike Hoxbig

Apply whatever you said to those who are obese as well.

Yes you can, but there arent any laws for that (yet...) and we're talking about smoking particularly here.

As with any insurance scheme, those at a higher risk pay a higher premium. You're not paying more than you would have otherwise.

Medical aids charge smokers more? News to me.

Originally Posted by Qwikslver

It's amazing the justifications the addicts have for their addictions.

Yeah, some are even arguing that it's good for them, wtf.

Originally Posted by WilD_CaT

The new bill states that "smoking sections" in pubs and restuarants will be outlawed. Also places like cigar lounges will be outlawed.

^

did any of you go into those sections in any case?

Law no. 1 of smoking: Never argue with a smoker that it's bad for them coz they don't get the reasoning

Originally Posted by Ho3n3r

Law no. 1 of smoking: Never argue with a smoker that it's bad for them coz they don't get the reasoning

we can see how reasonable you are when someone tries to take away something you love

Originally Posted by smalltownsky

we can see how reasonable you are when someone tries to take away something you love

Scat?

Originally Posted by abzo

Scat?

*holds his poop tighter*

Originally Posted by Qwikslver

Do you like being a slave to a chemical?

I don't.

Must be annoying then relying on a variety of chemicals to stay alive.

Originally Posted by Mike Hoxbig

Apply whatever you said to those who are obese as well. As with any insurance scheme, those at a higher risk pay a higher premium. You're not paying more than you would have otherwise.

My medical aid never enquired as to if myself or my missus were smokers when we enrolled, or subsequently.

Is it just me or do all the non-smokers who go on about us smokers making them pay more for medical aid and that doctors and nurses waste their times on us sound very very unjust? You are implying that you, as a non-smoker, is a better person and should be treated better than those of us who smoke? Seriously? Screw equality then eh... This thread makes me sad. I am no longer going to take part in this argument as it has become a smoker bashing thread.

Originally Posted by iAmThePope

Is it just me or do all the non-smokers who go on about us smokers making them pay more for medical aid and that doctors and nurses waste their times on us sound very very unjust? You are implying that you, as a non-smoker, is a better person and should be treated better than those of us who smoke? Seriously? Screw equality then eh

Originally Posted by 2012

Having said that, I agree that smokers are entitled to benefit from the healthcare system as much as anyone else - thats what it's there for.

I do think that smokers add unnessary burden to healthcare and that money could be spend better - but that doesnt take away your entitlement (horrible word) to healthcare.

Originally Posted by 2012

I do think that smokers add unnessary burden to healthcare and that money could be spend better - but that doesnt take away your entitlement (horrible word) to healthcare.

Yes I understood what you said. I just wonder at this whole equality thing. Obviously some non-smokers see themselves above the smokers. And that is stupid. In any case, happy arguing