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			<title>Pope: Atheist are going to heaven.</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 07:46:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>...if they do good deeds. 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html 
 
 
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			Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that <b>everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.</b><br />
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During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of &quot;doing good&quot; as a principle that unites all humanity, and a &quot;culture of encounter&quot; to support peace.<br />
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Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Francis explained how upset Jesus' disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio.<br />
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    “They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of &#8203;&#8203;possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”<br />
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Pope Francis went further in his sermon to say:<br />
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    &quot;The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... &quot;The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!&quot;.. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ <b>But do good: we will meet one another there.</b>”
			
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			<title>Cause of the Oklahoma tornado revealed!</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 15:46:17 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[K, so it would seem that it's the gays fault. Another mystery solved! 
 
http://ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2013/05/gay-pride-week-in-ok-one-day-before.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Ppsimmons+(PPSIMMONS)&m=1 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>K, so it would seem that it's the gays fault. Another mystery solved!<br />
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			Gay Pride Week in OK. One day before worst tornado in HISTORY!<br />
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PPSIMMONS News Exclusive<br />
May 21, 2013<br />
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Another striking coincidence ... or something else? While we are deeply saddened by the horrific loss of life and the destruction of families and community in Moore, Oklahoma - it is also a fact that just one day before the worst tornado in the history of the planet strikes Oklahoma - Gay Pride Week is announced to begin on the Lord's Day - Sunday at 4:00 pm.  This particular Sunday also happened to be the day of Pentecost for 2013 - the birthday of the Church of Jesus. (Hear Pastor Carl Gallups' sermon for Pentecost Sunday HERE.) For those who know the Word of God - this seems like an ominous connection. We are simply pointing out the correlation. Our prayers are with the dear people of Moore.<br />
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<a href="http://www.okcpride.org/" target="_blank">http://www.okcpride.org/</a>    GAY PRIDE WEEK WEBSITE <br />
The website proclaims - 2013 Gay Pride Week - Starts SUNDAY at 4:00 P.M.<br />
The next day - the worst tornado in the history of the planet!<br />
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Moore, Oklahoma: 'Perhaps the Worst Tornado in the History of the Planet'<br />
Read more: <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/05/20/martin-bashir-moore-oklahoma-perhaps-worst-tornado-history-planet#ixzz2Tviy6PKO" target="_blank">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...#ixzz2Tviy6PKO</a><br />
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HERE IS A SITE LISTING RELIEF EFFORTS FOR MOORE, OK. Please get involved in helping the people of Oklahoma:<br />
<a href="http://www.babble.com/kid/relief-for-moore-oklahoma" target="_blank">http://www.babble.com/kid/relief-for-moore-oklahoma</a>
			
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			<title>Religious jokes/insults/discussions: Online vs. real life</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 09:05:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Following up from this (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/526790-Christian-Jokes?p=10385528&viewfull=1#post10385528) thread. So as to prevent a derail, let's discuss it here. 
 
 
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			<div class="message">My point is that Nick33 and his fanbois are free to say what they like on the internet. The fact that they would feel restrained from doing so in person says a lot about their character....<br />
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And that goes for a lot of forums and internet sites. People cloak themselves in anonymity and spout insults and filth in the knowledge that there are no consequences.</div>
			
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</div>So, would you engage similarly in real life as you would online, regarding jokes, insults, and discussions on religion?</div>

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			<title>This Damn E-Mail AGAIN!</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 10:18:32 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Why religious people feel the need to constantly shove this down my throat I don't know. This is the fouth time I'm getting this e-mail. 
 
Are they just plain stupid that they can't see how irrational the content of this e-mail is? Most christians seem to think this is a brilliant piece of work on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Why religious people feel the need to constantly shove this down my throat I don't know. This is the fouth time I'm getting this e-mail.<br />
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Are they just plain stupid that they can't see how irrational the content of this e-mail is? Most christians seem to think this is a brilliant piece of work on how a student get the upper hand of a science professor by turning his own logic against him.<br />
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			TAKE TIME TO READ. It's worth reading it. Trust me :)<br />
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Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?<br />
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Student : Yes, sir.<br />
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Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?<br />
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Student : Absolutely, sir.<br />
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Professor : Is GOD good ?<br />
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Student : Sure.<br />
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Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?<br />
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Student : Yes.<br />
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Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?<br />
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(Student was silent.)<br />
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Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?<br />
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Student : Yes.<br />
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Professor: Is satan good ?<br />
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Student : No.<br />
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Professor: Where does satan come from ?<br />
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Student : From … GOD …<br />
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Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?<br />
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Student : Yes.<br />
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Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?<br />
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Student : Yes.<br />
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Professor: So who created evil ?<br />
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(Student did not answer.)<br />
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Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?<br />
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Student : Yes, sir.<br />
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Professor: So, who created them ?<br />
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(Student had no answer.)<br />
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Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?<br />
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Student : No, sir.<br />
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Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?<br />
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Student : No , sir.<br />
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Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?<br />
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Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.<br />
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Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?<br />
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Student : Yes.<br />
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Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?<br />
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Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.<br />
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Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.<br />
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Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?<br />
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Professor: Yes.<br />
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Student : And is there such a thing as cold?<br />
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Professor: Yes.<br />
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Student : No, sir. There isn’t.<br />
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(The lecture theatre became very quiet with this turn of events.)<br />
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Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.<br />
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(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)<br />
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Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?<br />
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Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?<br />
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Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?<br />
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Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?<br />
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Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.<br />
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Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?<br />
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Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.<br />
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Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?<br />
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Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.<br />
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Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?<br />
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(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)<br />
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Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?<br />
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(The class was in uproar.)<br />
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Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?<br />
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(The class broke out into laughter. )<br />
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Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?<br />
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(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)<br />
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Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.<br />
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Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man &amp; GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.<br />
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P.S.<br />
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I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you’ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won’t you?<br />
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Forward this to increase their knowledge … or FAITH.<br />
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By the way, that student was EINSTEIN
			
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			<title>Awareness</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 09:43:16 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Not sure if there's a thread about this - there probably is. I am a pessimistic agnostic. I grant there could be an all powerful deity.. but I doubt it.  
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Not sure if there's a thread about this - there probably is. I am a pessimistic agnostic. I grant there could be an all powerful deity.. but I doubt it. <br />
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I do however fear death - an eternal blackness with no awareness. I am facinated by awareness - I am not well versed in the sciences - so this might have answers - but what lifts us up above our base nature. Surely if we adhered merely to our needs and functions we would be zombies.</div>

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			<title>The Problem With PD</title>
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			<description>I reckon most of the people that frequent this forum come from an IT/Technical/Mathematical/Scientific type background, purely because of the nature of people accessing the internet and specifically an IT focused forum. 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I reckon most of the people that frequent this forum come from an IT/Technical/Mathematical/Scientific type background, purely because of the nature of people accessing the internet and specifically an IT focused forum.<br />
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Now, when a philosophical type subject is debated we generally have this duality be it between science and religion, liberal and conservative etc.... but it often is a two sided argument to issues that are multi-faceted.<br />
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Furthermore I think when you come from and work in a technical environment you are going to think in similar ways (of course this is also in a general sense) and this results in an overwhelming majority of people debating something and approaching it from the same way, or with similar logic, or as a duality mentioned.<br />
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All I'm saying is the debates that take place do not feel as if they are representative of the full spectrum of opinions and reasonings because of the medium in which they take place, and that is a pity.</div>

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			<title>Are you afraid of dying and why?</title>
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			<description>I was reading another thread that got me thinking about how different people perceive death, especially any differences in opinions of religious vs non-religious people. 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I was reading another thread that got me thinking about how different people perceive death, especially any differences in opinions of religious vs non-religious people.<br />
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To me, death is just basically an eternal dreamless sleep so I neither welcome it or fear it however I do fear the actual physical dying part (i.e. suffering).<br />
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I have however been in a situation where my life was in danger (armed robbery) and where basic instincts took over and for those few minutes the impulse to try and stay alive was overwhelming. This, while completely understandable and natural, was before I had really thought about &quot;<i>where I would go</i>&quot; when I died (I was still then still a Christian or in my case more of a religious drone as I had not really ever thought too much about religion). I wonder now if I had to be put in a similar life threatening position if my thought processes would be any different.<br />
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Would love to know if you have had a similar experience, if you are religious and what your thoughts are on the matter.</div>

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			<title>The Cosmology of Cartoonists</title>
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In a post titled &#8220;Can Science Lead to Faith?,&#8221; (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/04/schmidhuber-eagleman-science-religion-artificial-intelligence.html) Gary Marcus writes, &#8220;Most...]]></description>
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In a post titled <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/04/schmidhuber-eagleman-science-religion-artificial-intelligence.html" target="_blank">&#8220;Can Science Lead to Faith?,&#8221;</a> Gary Marcus writes, &#8220;Most scientists I know are nonbelievers, convinced that there is no deity, or at least there is no convincing evidence of one.&#8221; On the other hand, practically all the politicians I know of claim to be believers, with &#8220;claim to be&#8221; as the operative phrase.<br />
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Perhaps they&#8217;re not speaking loudly enough. Just to clear up any ambiguity, I&#8217;m not a believer, or even agnostic, I&#8217;m an atheist (denomination: Jewish). That means the God I don&#8217;t believe in is different from the God you don&#8217;t believe in if, for example, you&#8217;re a Muslim atheist, a Catholic atheist, or a Protestant atheist. But if we&#8217;re all wrong and God actually does exist, in my opinion He&#8217;s going to turn out to be Jewish. At least, I certainly hope so, because if He is Jewish I figure He can take a joke.<br />
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That&#8217;s my opinion. Is it representative of other cartoonists? Here&#8217;s a sample from an informal poll I took&#8212;I couldn&#8217;t find my tux for a formal one.<br />
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<b>Frank Cotham:</b><br />
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    I think of myself as a believer, but without interference from a church.<br />
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<b>Jack Ziegler:</b><br />
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    Agnostic, I suppose, but it&#8217;s not something I ever think about. Raised Catholic, but stopped at age thirteen, when I realized what a load it was. Don&#8217;t like any religions at this point&#8212;think they&#8217;re all nuts to one degree or another. And they cause way too much trouble in the world&#8212;as they always have.<br />
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    Don&#8217;t get me started.<br />
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<b>Roz Chast:</b><br />
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    I&#8217;m an agnostic. I would be an atheist, except that when I was a young &#8217;un I took L.S.D. a few times, and, especially the first time, had an experience that made me not so sure of my atheism. When I am old and farther along Decrepit Highway than I am now, I want to try them mind-expanding chemicals again. Because what will there be to lose? <br />
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<b>Michael Shaw:</b><br />
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    It&#8217;s too big of a question for just one answer. And I&#8217;ve always been skeptical of passing judgments on the spiritual world while still mired in my mortal coil. It seems that with this test, the best you can hope for is an incomplete. Though I do admire people who can take a firm stand in one camp or another. They&#8217;re usually kind of annoying, but in a sincere way. Plus, I just took a job at Xavier University, in Cincinnati, a fine Jesuit institution. And with a Jesuit Pope, I might have connections. I&#8217;m sure it doesn&#8217;t help that I was raised a Southern Baptist (those who will not make love standing up lest God think they&#8217;re dancing). I am married to a fine Catholic woman, so I do have Christianity fairly well covered. My daughter says she wishes she was Jewish. I told her, Go marry a Jewish guy, that&#8217;s close enough. <br />
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			<title>Is Swa also empirex?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 11:43:49 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I have asked Swa this question a number of times; thus far he has avoided answering. He has also lied about knowing who empirex is. His latest attempt at deflection is that my question was not on topic. Hence this thread. 
 
I also think we should discuss the ethical and philosophical questions...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I have asked Swa this question a number of times; thus far he has avoided answering. He has also lied about knowing who empirex is. His latest attempt at deflection is that my question was not on topic. Hence this thread.<br />
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I also think we should discuss the ethical and philosophical questions that arise if someone, who supposedly believes in a righteous deity who abhors &quot;sins&quot;, resorts to duplicitous and sneaky behaviour in order to continue to &quot;spread the message&quot;. <br />
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So Swa, once again I ask you. On your oath, are you, or are you not, also empirex? <br />
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On your oath, do you, or have you had, any other clones on this site?</div>

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			<title>Death Note: Why Kira had to lose?</title>
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			<description>Ok so I just finished rewatching death note. 
 
In the animated series a notebook gives someone the ability to kill another person just by writting their name in the notebook. 
 
The notebook is found by light Yagami who decides to play jugde and executioner by killing mostly criminals. He probably...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Ok so I just finished rewatching death note.<br />
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In the animated series a notebook gives someone the ability to kill another person just by writting their name in the notebook.<br />
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The notebook is found by light Yagami who decides to play jugde and executioner by killing mostly criminals. He probably kills tens of thousands but then the police try to stop him. This is relevent especially to this country with the high crime rates.<br />
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What I want to discuss are morality issues which is why this is in PD.</div>

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			<title>WRT the big bang how were the gases that caused it created?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Was having a conversation with my born again Christian friend and he asked me, since I believe in Evolution and the big bang, where did the gases and stuff that caused the big bang come from? 
I don't really care about religion or evolution or any of those stuff, but this is a question that has...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Was having a conversation with my born again Christian friend and he asked me, since I believe in Evolution and the big bang, where did the gases and stuff that caused the big bang come from?<br />
I don't really care about religion or evolution or any of those stuff, but this is a question that has been posed before and I never heard the answer. I did say to him you can say the same thing about God but then he went on to say that God is not created he is a divine being etc.</div>

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			<title>Former Dutch Islamophobe Arnoud Van Doorn converts to Islam</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:08:37 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Former Dutch Islamophobe and a former leading member of far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders’ party Arnoud Van Doorn visited the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah to pray and say sorry for becoming part of a blasphemous film. 
 
Doorn was among the Freedom Party leaders who produced the blasphemous...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Former Dutch Islamophobe and a former leading member of far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders’ party Arnoud Van Doorn visited the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah to pray and say sorry for becoming part of a blasphemous film.<br />
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Doorn was among the Freedom Party leaders who produced the blasphemous film, Fitna. Last month he reverted to Islam after an extensive study about the religion and the Prophet (peace be upon him).<br />
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He said that the worldwide outrage against the film made him study about the Prophet (pbuh) and that eventually led to his conversion.<br />
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He headed for Makkah to perform Umrah after meeting the two imams of the Prophet’s Mosque, Sheikh Ali Al-Hudaifi and Sheikh Salah Al-Badar, who enlightened him on how to lead the life of a good Muslim and confront challenges facing Islam in the West.<br />
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A member of the Dutch parliament and The Hague City Council, Doorn announced his decision to accept Islam on his Twitter profile. He also posted a tweet in Arabic declaring that “there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.”<br />
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At first, other users took the news as a joke. After all, an active supporter of a notorious Dutch hater of Islam, Wilders, he repeatedly approved Islamophobic statements and public actions, and personally participated in them.<br />
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But Doorn, who now serves as a regional adviser at the City Hall in The Hague, personally confirmed his decision to practice Islam in an official letter to the city mayor.<br />
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Most recently, the politician filed a formal application to the mayor of the city to allow him to perform prayers obligatory for Muslims during his working hours.<br />
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“I can understand people are skeptic, especially that it is unexpected for many of them,” Doorn told Al-Jazeera English satellite channel.<br />
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“This is a very big decision, which I have not taken lightly.”<br />
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“In my own close circle people have known that I have been actively researching the Qur’an, Hadith, Sunnah and other writings for almost a year now,” he said.<br />
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“In addition, I have had numerous conversations with Muslims about the religion.”<br />
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Driven by his party’s anti-Islam discourse, Doorn decided to dig in for the truth about the religion himself.<br />
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“I have heard so many negative stories about Islam, but I am not a person who follows opinions of others without doing my own research,” he said. “Therefore, I have actually started to deepen my knowledge of Islam out of curiosity.”<br />
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The 46-year-old has continued on The Hague Council as an independent candidate since splitting from Wilders’s party. Doorn’s decision to embrace Islam has won mixed reactions in the Netherlands.<br />
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“According to some people I am a traitor, but according to most others I have actually made a very good decision,” he told Al-Jazeera.<br />
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“The reactions are generally positive and I also received quite some support via twitter.<br />
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“It feels good that people who do not know me personally have understanding of my situation and support me in my choice.”<br />
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Asked if he now regretted joining the Freedom Party, he replied: “I have learned that every experience in life has a purpose. However, with the knowledge I have today, I would have undoubtedly made a different choice.”<br />
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For the Dutch politician, finding Islam was finally guiding him to the true path in his life. “I have made mistakes in life as many others. From these mistakes I have learned a lot,” Doorn said.<br />
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“And by my conversion to Islam I have the feeling that I finally found my path. I realize that this is a new start and that I still have much to learn as well.”</div>

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			<title>Iran - Life after the Shah, better or worse ?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I was wondering about opinion regards the life of ordinary Iranian's post the rule of the Shah. 
Some years back I worked under someone born and raised in Iran who frequently said life under the Shah was better for most Iranian citizens. 
He felt that Iran would probably be a well respected world...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I was wondering about opinion regards the life of ordinary Iranian's post the rule of the Shah.<br />
Some years back I worked under someone born and raised in Iran who frequently said life under the Shah was better for most Iranian citizens.<br />
He felt that Iran would probably be a well respected world power by now had power not been seized by Islamic fundamentalists pushing the country back into the stone age.<br />
While the Shah had many a fault, he feels these pale in comparison to those of the current regime.<br />
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<a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2012/08/dispatch-a-surprising-rehabilitation-the-shah-in-the-eyes-of-young-iranians.html" target="_blank">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...-iranians.html</a></div>

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			<title>Life is a Dream</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:29:02 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>It is possible that reality is designed by our brains, which receives signals which we organise into 3D images. These images we project outside ourselves and call it reality. 
 
Information that our brain absorbs creates a picture out of our own beliefs. 
 
Reality is simply the electric signals...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>It is possible that reality is designed by our brains, which receives signals which we organise into 3D images. These images we project outside ourselves and call it reality.<br />
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Information that our brain absorbs creates a picture out of our own beliefs.<br />
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Reality is simply the electric signals that our brain interprets, so life is a dream and we are clearly the imagination of ourselves.</div>

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			<title>Apartheid never happened</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:30:11 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Lets just say apartheid never happened. Lets say europeans never came here and did what they did. What wpuld Frica be  
today?  
 
Im asking this bec apartheid is blamed for everything.  
 
When europeans got to Africa, europeans were so much more advanced compared to africans so africans were way...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Lets just say apartheid never happened. Lets say europeans never came here and did what they did. What wpuld Frica be <br />
today? <br />
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Im asking this bec apartheid is blamed for everything. <br />
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When europeans got to Africa, europeans were so much more advanced compared to africans so africans were way behind that time. Would they be behind today?</div>

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