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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/18cnd-dallas.html

    DALLAS — After more than 40 years under lock and key, a large collection of documents and items related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy was released by the Dallas County district attorney on Monday.

    The district attorney, Craig Watkins, officially unveiled 15 boxes that had been stored in a walk-in safe on the 10th floor of the Dallas County Courthouse. The boxes held a grab bag of memorabilia, from Lee Harvey Oswald’s clothing to a tooled leather holster used to carry a gun by Oswald’s killer, Jack Ruby.

    “We decided that this information is too important to keep secret,” Mr. Watkins said.

    Mr. Watkins said he learned of the documents soon after taking office a year ago. Although his predecessors had chosen to keep the material secret, Mr. Watkins said he saw no reason to do so. The material is now being scanned and will eventually be donated to a museum that can make it public, he said. Mr. Watkins said a museum had not yet been selected, but he mentioned the Smithsonian, in Washington, or the Sixth Floor Museum, in Dallas, as two possibilities.

    No outside experts have examined the trove, Mr. Watkins said, and even his staff has not reviewed much of the contents of the files, though most of the documents have been scanned.

    That makes it almost impossible to evaluate how much new information is included among the memorabilia, said Nicola J. Longford, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum, which is in the former Texas School Book Depository from which Oswald shot President Kennedy.

    “We don’t know how much is original, copied, or previously available,” Ms. Longford said in an interview. As for the purported transcript of a meeting between Oswald and Ruby, she said, “It’s speculation as to whether is a real conversation or not or part of a movie script.”

    The district attorney at the time of the assassination, Henry M. Wade, signed a contract for a movie deal, Mr. Watkins said, although the film was never made. Mr. Wade, who served as district attorney until 1987, died in 2001.

    The items were stored in a 6-foot by 6-foot safe in the district attorney’s offices in the county courthouse. The purported transcript claims the conversation took place at Mr. Ruby’s nightclub, the Carousel Club, before the assassination and describes the two men discussing the murder of President Kennedy. In a press release accompanying the unveiling of the boxes, Mr. Watkins said the transcript was believed to be bogus.

    Also included in the boxes were brass knuckles that Mr. Ruby carried at the time he shot Oswald.

    After being taken into custody in the killing a police officer in a Dallas theater, Oswald was arrested for fatally shooting the president on Nov. 22, 1963, in Dealey Plaza in Dallas. Two days later, Ruby shot Oswald to death while he was in police custody. He was convicted of murder, but that conviction was overturned when an appeals court in Texas found the Ruby had been unfairly denied a chance to have the case tried in another area. Ruby died of cancer while awaiting retrial for the killing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nauseous_monkey View Post
    Was Oliver Stone right or wrong about making people believe the government did JFK assasination? Soon we will know
    I doubt anybody will find out anything more, i am sure the government or fbi have sanitized the stuff before it was released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catweasel View Post
    I doubt anybody will find out anything more, i am sure the government or fbi have sanitized the stuff before it was released.
    Yep...too sensitive to just "pass" everything...FBI aint THAT stupid
    We "might" know a lot, but we don't know everything...

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    Well the truth about JFK is in CIA hands. The CIA itself said it will open its files on JFK in 2027, so this is another storm in a teacup. I am waiting for 2027...


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    Ah, maybe we will find proof that there is corruption in America in the 1960's...
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    Prevention is better than cure...so i doubt the truth will EVER come out
    We "might" know a lot, but we don't know everything...

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    given that official US senate hearings into the JFK assassination in the 70's, concluded that Oswald DIDN'T act alone, and that there was a conspiracy of some kind - I think its funny that people are still operating on the idea that the 'official story' might be in doubt. The interesting thing to me is that no official legal moves were ever made to find out who or what.. even tho E Howard Hunt (ex CIA) made a deathbed confession before he died recently, detailing the actual plot - and pointing the finger at LBJ..

    You guys are behind with the news, the latest is to do with Robert Kennedy, supposedly killed by Sirhan Sirhan..
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20....assassination

    (or
    -'how come 14 bullet holes were found at the scene when the lone gunman had a gun that only held six..
    -how come Robert Kennedy had bullet holes in him shot from behind, when his assassin was in front of him..)
    Last edited by LoneGunman; 27-02-2008 at 01:53 PM.

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    ...and then there is still the DIANA case...
    We "might" know a lot, but we don't know everything...

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    yup..

    Its rather interesting that - since around mid '50's or so - just about ANYONE in public life or politics, with some degree of power (or serious influence with the public), and who happens to be potentially able to change the status quo in some way, ends up dead.

    Usually those people who die, are also 'progressive' in their politics. Yet there doesn't seem to be any equivalent list of 'non progressive' people dying as much.

    And bear in mind, since the killing of JFK, there's only been TWO US presidents, who WEREN'T connected in some way, to the killing.
    Nixon was in town, sneering at JFK's security measures. (he couldnt remember where he was at the time of the killing')
    Nixon btw years before, employed Jack Ruby, (the guy who killed Oswald). There's a letter he wrote to the Macarthy Hearings, asking that Jack Rubenstein
    be excused from testifying..


    Ford fiddled with the stated entrance wound, to enable the 'magic bullet theory'.
    Reagan (as California Gov) refused to allow witnesses to be extradited in the Garrison Clay Shaw trial,
    George Bush Snr sent letter to FBI warning of possible assassination talk ahead of the time (establishing an alibi perhaps?)
    but also was referred to as 'George Bush of the CIA' in a declassified memo, and years later, he somehow ends up employing
    the guy he 'reported on' years earlier. (but he also can't remember where he was' at the time)..
    And somehow, Bush's son, as we all know, manages to become President as well..

    which leaves just two US presidents since JFK, back in the early sixties, who werent involved in some way. (Clinton, and Carter).
    What are the odds on these specific guys who were involved in key ways with the assassination of a president, themselves,
    all becoming president?
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    will see those files in 2146

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    I think some of the files are due to be released ermm, 2021? 2036? Something like that.
    There's an immediate problem in some ways, given that potentially, the current presidents daddy, is probably named all over the place.. and who knows, within a few years, we might be seeing another Bush in the White House..

    Just like with 911, I think the declassified truth is going to emerge so far into the future, that people wont understand its meaning.

    Just like the gulf of tonkin incident was recently declassified, and showed that it was all fiction, and a lie - no one attacked US warships, (thus causing the Vietnam War). Its so far distant that people don't freak out over the millions dead because of a deliberate lie..

    I figure in 40 or 50 years, the same will be true of 911. It'll be a small novelty item on page 19 of the newspapers, of interest only to history geeks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nauseous_monkey View Post
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    Was Oliver Stone right or wrong about making people believe the government did JFK assasination? Soon we will know
    Can the people who bash conspiracy theorists now please give us a rest.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyselfY9Y View Post
    Can the people who bash conspiracy theorists now please give us a rest.....
    'Conspiracy Theorist' as a term has in the last few decades become more like a prejudice slur than anything else. I for one have read up and seen some very credibale and convincing theories with evidince galour entirely ignored or laughed at because the genral public considers it a 'Conspiracy Theory'.

    Too Bad Really. I guess no one allows themselves to know the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyselfY9Y View Post
    Can the people who bash conspiracy theorists now please give us a rest.....
    No because you need to have some proof.

    We'll be waiting forever. 2000 and whatever will pass and still no proof. So we'll wait a few more decades......

    and on, and on, and on it will go

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