Another South African Rip Off

**pat22** · 25-07-2004 05:45 PM

Being fed up shelling out R379 per month for DSTV, I decided to see what Sky costs in the UK at www.sky.co.uk

Various packages are available, the most expensive being GBP 40.00 (R456). But just see how many channels you get. There are about 30 movie channels alone.

Why oh why oh why do we always pay so much for so little???[xx(]

**BTTB** · 25-07-2004 06:54 PM

Well I was peeved with DSTV for canscelling the SCi Fi channel.

I emailed them that they could of easily dropped one of the many sports channels if money was a problem. I for one never watch sport on TV.

<hr noshade size="1">You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.

**Jerrek** · 25-07-2004 08:10 PM

Satellite TV isn't _that_ cheap here in the United States. Here are DishNet's prices, in US$.

Choose one to serve as your "basic" package
--America's Top 60: $25
--America's Top 60+: $30
--America's Top 120: $35
--America's Top 180: $45
--SPANISH: Dish Latino: $25
--SPANISH: Dish Latino Dos: $35
--SPANISH: Dish Latino Max: $45

Want local channels? $5

Want sports package (27 channels)? $6

Want Christian package (36 channels)? $10

Want a season ticket for sports?
--baseball (MLB): $238 for the season [all MLB games on 15 channels]
--baseball (College): price not listed, all games on 10 channels
--football: price not listed, all games on 15 channels
--hockey: price not listed, all games on 12 channels
--soccer (major league): $70 per season, on 10 channels
--soccer (English Premier League): price not listed

Want movie package(s)?
--Showtime (10 channels): $12
--Starz Super Pak (8 channels): $12
--HBO (8 channels): $14
--Cinemax (5 channels): $12

Want HDTV package? $10

Want pr0n channels?
--TenXtsy: $28
--Ten: $22
--Spice (3 channels): $30 (one is HDTV!!)
--PrivateFantsy: $11 per movie you view (European porn channel)
--Playboy: $15

Combos:
--America's Top 120 + HBO + Cinemax: $52
--America's Top 180 + HBO + Cinemax: $62
--America's Top 180 + HBO + Cinemax + Starz + Showtime: $78

Want foreign channels? (there are smaller breakdowns for individual channels which I'm not printing here)
--Arabic Elite Pack (10 Arabic channels): $30
--Asian Pack (5 channels): $50
--Polish Pack (3 channels): $30
--Greek Pack (3 channels): $37
--Chinese Pack (3 channels): $28
--Russian Pack (1 channel): $25
--Korean Pack (4 channels): $37
--Urdu Pack (3 channels): $35

All prices per month.

Note: America's Top 180 and pretty much all the foreign channels require a second dish. The first dish continues to point to 110 degrees, but the second dish has to point to another Echostar satellite at 61.5 degrees. So, in order to sign up for the "Everything" pack, you need to ensure you have a second dish.

Here's the complete channel lineup:

The first number, on the left, is the channel number. The number on the right is the satellite number. There are four satellites: 110, 119, 61.5, and 148.

If you have a ONE dish system, you point it to 110/119 (one dish tracks both). If you want foreign channels, HD channels, or the America's 180 package, you need two dishes (one pointed at 110/119, and one at either 61.5 or 148)

East and West refers to time-shifted channels. East is typically 3 hours ahead of the West channel, so if you miss X on Disney East, watch it 3 hours later on Disney West.

I wouldn't go quite as far as to say there isn't anything to watch. I don't watch too much television, and when I do, I enjoy History, History International, Discovery, Discovery Times, Discovery Civilization, and Discovery Wings.

Regular watching (for me):

- O'Reilly Factor at 8pm on FOX
- Stargate SG-1 season 8, Friday nights on Sci Fi
- Stargate Atlantis, Friday nights on Sci Fi
- Enterprise, Wednesday nights on UPN

Code:

100     Dish Home Interactive TV     110
101     Remote Control Help          119
103     Pay Per View Guide           110


105     USA Network                  119
106     TV Land                      119
107     Comedy Central               119
108     Lifetime                     119
109     Lifetime Movie Network       119
110     Food Network                 119
111     Do It Yourself               110
112     HGTV                         119
114     E!                           119
115     Style                        110
116     Game Show Network            119
118     A&E                          119
119     The Biography Channel        110
120     The History Channel          119
121     History Channel Internation  110
122     Sci-Fi Channel               119
124     BET                          119
128     Women's Entertainment        119
129     Bravo                        119
130     American Movie Classics      119
131     Independent Film Channel     119
132     Turner Classic Movies        119
133     Fox Movie Channel            110
135     BBC America                  119
137     FX                           119
138     TNT                          119
139     Dish Network Sports Stop     110
140     ESPN                         119
142     ESPNews                      119
143     ESPN Classic                 119
144     ESPN 2                       119
145     ESPN Alternate               119
146     ESPN 2 Alternate             119
149     Fox Sports World             110
150     The Speed Channel            119
151     Outdoor Life Network         110
153     The Outdoor Channel          119
158     Fuse                         119
160     MTV                          119
161     MTV 2                        119
162     VH1                          119
163     VH1 Classic                  110
166     CMT                          119
167     Great America Country        110
168     Spike TV                     119
169     Noggin                       119
170     Nickelodeon                  119
171     Nickelodeon (west)           119
172     The Disney Channel           119
173     The Disney Channel (west)    119
174     Toon Disney                  119
175     Boomerang                    110
176     Cartoon Network              119
177     Nick GAS                     110
178     The Learning Channel         119
179     Discovery Kids               110
180     ABC Family                   119
181     Pax                          119
182     The Discovery Channel        119
184     Animal Planet                119
185     The Hallmark Channel         110
186     National Geographic Channel  110
188     Soap Net                     110
189     Discovery Health             119
191     Tech TV                      119
192     Discovery Times              110
193     The Science Channel          110
194     Discovery Home & Leisure     110
195     Discovery Wings              110
200     CNN                          119
202     CNN Headline News            119
203     Bloomberg TV                 110
204     Court TV                     119
205     Fox News Channel             119
206     CNN Financial/International  119
207     CNBC World                   110
208     CNBC                         119
209     MSNBC                        119
210     C-SPAN                       119
212     C-SPAN 2                     119
213     Nasa TV                      119
214     The Weather Channel          119
220     The Travel Channel           119
221     Men's Shopping               110
222     Home Shopping Network        119
223     Healthy Living Shopping      110
224     Shop At Home                 110
225     Beauty & Fashion Shopping    119
226     QVC                          119
227     Americas Collectibles Netwo  110
228     Shop NBC                     119
229     iShop                        110
230     TBS Superstation             119
232     KTLA (Los Angeles WB)        119
234     WPIX (New York City WB)      119
235     KWGN (Denver WB)             119
236     WSBK (Boston UPN)            119
238     WWOR (New York City UPN)     119
239     WGN                          119
260     Trinity Broadcasting Network 119
261     EWTN                         119
262     Angel One                    119
264     Wisdom TV                    110
300     HBO                          119
301     HBO 2                        119
302     HBO Signature                119
303     HBO (west)                   119
304     HBO 2 (west)                 119
305     HBO Family                   119
307     HBO Comedy                   110
309     HBO Latino                   110
310     Cinemax                      119
311     Cinemax (west)               119
312     Moremax                      119
313     Actionmax                    110
314     5Starmax                     110
318     Showtime                     119
319     Showtime (west)              119
320     Showtime Too                 119
321     Showtime Showcase            110
322     Showtime Extreme             119
323     Showtime Beyond              110
327     The Movie Channel            119
328     The Movie Channel Xtra       119
329     The Movie Channel (west)     110
330     The Movie Channel Xtra (wes  110
332     Sundance Channel             119
333     Flix                         119
340     Encore                       119
341     Encore (west)                110
342     Encore Westerns              119
343     Encore Action                110
344     Encore Mystery               110
345     Encore True Stories          110
346     Encore Love Stories          110
347     Encore WAM                   110
350     Starz                        119
351     Starz (west)                 110
352     Starz Theater                119
353     Starz Cinema                 119
354     Starz Cinema (west)          110
355     Black Starz                  119
356     Starz Family                 119




401     The Golf Channel             110
402     NBA TV                       110
405     TV Games                     119
407     Gol TV                       110
411     Fox Sports West 2            119
412     Madison Square Gardens       119
413     Fox Sports New York          119
414     Fox Sports Rocky Mountain    119
415     Fox Sports Arizona           119
416     Fox Sports Southwest         119
417     Fox Sports West              119
418     Fox Sports Midwest           119
419     Fox Sports Bay Area          119
420     Fox Sports South             119
421     Fox Sports Chicago           119
422     Sunshine Network             119
423     Fox Sports Florida           119
424     Comcast Sports Net Mid Atla  119
425     Fox Sports Ohio              119
426     Fox Sports Northwest         119
427     Fox Sports Cincinnati        119
428     Fox Sports Pittsburgh        119
430     Fox Sports Detroit           119
432     Empire Sports Network        119
434     New England Sports Network   119
435     Fox Sports New England       119
436     Fox Sports North             119
437     Turner South                 110
445     Sports Alternate 1           119
446     Sports Alternate 2           119
447     Sports Alternate 3           110
448     Sports Alternate 4           110




450     Dish Network Sports Stop     110
455     PPV Sports                   119
456     PPV Sports                   110
457     PPV Sports                   110
458     PPV Sports                   110
459     PPV Sports                   110
460     PPV Sports                   110
461     PPV Sports                   110
462     PPV Sports                   110
463     PPV Sports                   110
464     PPV Sports                   110
465     PPV Sports                   110
470     PPV Sports                 61.5/148
471     PPV Sports                 61.5/148
472     PPV Sports                 61.5/148



490     Adult Guard Support          119
493     The Hot Zone                 110
494     TEN Clips                    110
495     The Erotic Network           119
496     TEN Xtasy                    119
497     Playboy                      119
498     Playboy en Español           110




500     Pay Per View Guide           110
501     Dish on Demand Preorder Eve  119
502     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  119
503     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
504     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
505     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
506     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
507     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
508     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
509     Dish on Demand (All Day)     119
510     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
511     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  119
512     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
513     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
514     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
515     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
516     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
517     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
518     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
519     Dish on Demand (All Day)     119
520     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
521     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
522     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
523     Dish on Demand (All Day, DD  110
524     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
525     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
526     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
527     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
528     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
529     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
530     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
531     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
532     Dish on Demand (All Day)     110
533     Dish on Demand (All Day)   61.5/148
538     Dish on Demand               110
539     Dish on Demand en Español    110




540     NHL Center Ice               110
560     NBA TV                       110
561     NBA League Pass              110




580     International Promotional I61.5/148
581     Phoenix TV                 61.5/148
582     China Central TV 4         61.5/148
587     Asia TV Home Channel       61.5/148
592     RTVi                       61.5/148
593     RTVi Plus                  61.5/148
594     HTB America                61.5/148
596     TV Globo                   61.5/148
597     Record Internacional       61.5/148
600     RAI International            119
601     RAI International          61.5/148
602     MegaCosmos                 61.5/148
603     ERT Sat                    61.5/148
605     Antenna Satellite          61.5/148
606     TV 5                       61.5/148
607     Polsat 2                   61.5/148
609     TVN 24                     61.5/148
610     Sun TV                     61.5/148
611     Zee TV                     61.5/148
613     TV Asia                    61.5/148
614     Sony Entertainment TV      61.5/148
615     RTP Internacional            61.5
616     Prime TV                   61.5/148
617     Zee Cinema                 61.5/148
619     Bollywood 4U               61.5/148
640     TV Japan                   61.5/148
642     ART                        61.5/148
643     ART Movies                 61.5/148
644     LBC                        61.5/148
645     Al Jazeera                 61.5/148
646     Egyptian Satellite Channel 61.5/148
647     Nile TV                    61.5/148
648     Future TV                  61.5/148
649     Dubai TV                   61.5/148
650     SBS TV                     61.5/148
651     MBN CNBC                   61.5/148
652     iSkycom                    61.5/148
653     Arirang TV                 61.5/148
655     Radio Maria Spanish        61.5/148
656     The Israeli Network        61.5/148
658     Radio Maria Italy            61.5
660     Radio France Internationale61.5/148
664     Radio Maria Poland           61.5
665     Al Zikr                    61.5/148
669     ART Music                  61.5/148
678     BVN TV                       61.5





825     TV Azteca                    110
827     Univision                    119
828     Univision (west)             110
830     Telefutura                   110
831     Telefutura (west)            110
833     Galavision                   119
835     Telemundo                    110
836     Telemundo (west)             110
838     Mun2                         110
840     TV Española                  110
842     TV Chile                     110
845     Discovery en Español         110
847     Toon Disney                  119
853     Gol TV                       110
855     Fox Sports World Español     110
857     SUR                          110
859     CNN en Español               110
862     De Pelicula                  110
863     De Pelicula Classico         110
865     Cine Latino                  110
868     Telehit                      110
870     HTV                          110
872     MTV Español                  110
874     Viva Mariachi (mono)         119
875     Fiesta Mexicana              119
876     Latin Styles                 119
877     Miami Mix (mono)             119
878     Tejano (mono)                119
879     Latino Pop (mono)            119




923     Hitline (mono)               119
924     Hot FM (mono)                119
925     Expressions (mono)           119
926     Love Songs (mono)            119
927     All That Jazz (mono)         119
928     Moodscapes (mono)            119
929     New Orleans (mono)           119
930     Piano & Guitar (mono)        119
931     7890 - 4 Decades of Music (  119
933     50's & 60's Hits (mono)      119
934     70's Hits (mono)             119
935     80's Hits (mono)             119
936     Beach Party (mono)           119
937     Country Music One (mono)     119
938     Urban Adult (mono)           119
939     Classic Soul (mono)          119
944     Italia (mono)                119
945     Tropical Breezes (mono)      119
946     Roadhouse (mono)             119
950     New Country                  119
951     Country Classics             119
952     Country Currents             119
953     Jukebox Gold                 119
954     70's Songbook                119
955     Adult Favorites              119
956     Adult Contemporary           119
957     Adult Alternative            119
958     Hot Hits                     119
959     Classic Rock                 119
960     Modern Rock Alternative      119
961     Power Rock                   119
962     NuJazz                       119
963     Urban Beat                   119
964     Latin Styles                 119
965     Fiesta Mexicana              119
966     Euro Style                   119
967     Jazz Traditions              119
968     Contemporary Jazz Flavors    119
969     Acoustic Crossroads          119
970     Contemporary Instrumentals   119
971     Classical Ambience           119
972     Light Classical              119
973     Easy Instrumentals           119
974     Big Band Era                 119
975     Contemporary Christian       119
976     Kids Tunes                   119
977     New Age                      119
978     Blues                        119
979     Reggae                       119
980     BYU Radio Network            119
981     Hawaiian Music               119




9400    Research Channel             110
9401    HITN                         110
9402    PBS You                      110
9403    BYU TV                       110
9404    University of Washington TV  110
9405    Health TV                  61.5/148
9406    Star Net                     110
9407    Colours                      110
9408    Daystar TV                   110
9409    RFD TV                       119
9410    Worldlink                    110
9411    Northern Arizona University  119
9412    University of California TV  119
9413    Educating Everyone         61.5/148
9414    Family Net                 61.5/148
9415    Free Speech TV               110
9416    Good Samaritan Network     61.5/148
9418    Panhandle Area Educational 61.5/148




9420    Discovery Theater HD       61.5/148
9425    HD Events                  61.5/148
9428    Dish on Demand HD          61.5/148
9430    Showtime HD                61.5/148
9440    HBO HD                     61.5/148
9443    Dish HD Demo Channel         61.5
9453    WCBS-DT                      61.5
9454    KCBS-DT                      148




9500    Dish Instant Weather         119




9601    Business TV                  110
9602    Business TV                  119
9611    Business TV                  110
9612    Business TV                  110
9622    Business TV                61.5/148
9641    Business TV                61.5/148



9900    What's on Dish 500?          110

**Andre** · 25-07-2004 10:39 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jerrek
- Enterprise, Wednesday nights on UPN
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Is there a second (third?) season of Enterprise? Sadly with the demise of the Sci-Fi channel I don't know if we would even get to see it.

**Jerrek** · 26-07-2004 05:01 AM

Yes, the third season ended a few months ago. It was a huge Part1, Part2, ..., Part26 episode really. Quite good! Season 4 should start sometime in September and it is rumored it will cover the formation of the Federation. I'm looking forward to that.

**ajax** · 26-07-2004 07:54 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Yes, the third season ended a few months ago. It was a huge Part1, Part2, ..., Part26 episode really. Quite good! Season 4 should start sometime in September and it is rumored it will cover the formation of the Federation. I'm looking forward to that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Maybe Action X will eventually get to it. They're currently screening season 1 (together with Voyager season 7 and DS9 season 6).

**pat22** · 26-07-2004 08:51 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by BTTB
 Well I was peeved with DSTV for canscelling the SCi Fi channel.

I emailed them that they could of easily dropped one of the many sports channels if money was a problem. I for one never watch sport on TV.

<hr noshade size="1">You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

DSTV are doubling the live Prem Soccer from England they show to 380 games over 3 seasons. Just imagine how the bill is going to rocket to pay for it.....

**VQuest** · 26-07-2004 09:12 AM

South African's and their sport [:(]

R379 wouldn't be so bad if there was actually more entertainment. Personally, it's not worth it for me. Cut down on the sport channels and give us some more movie channels. The channel I watch the most is the Series channel. And that drives me nuts because they repeat the programmes FOUR times a day?!?!

You can't win.

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United we stand!
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**podo** · 26-07-2004 09:16 AM

I have it for Discovery Channel, History Channel and the DMX music channels. Pretty much everything else is unwatchable. That which I do watch otherwise, like the F1 GP, is broadcast by the state monkeys anyway.

Willie Viljoen
Web Developer

Adaptive Web Development

**TheVoice** · 26-07-2004 01:16 PM

I usually watch movies over and over again on MM and MM2 if there's something decent on. Sometimes there's something good on Reality TV - mostly it's just Coppers these days, the rest seems to be the same old American police pursuits where the Yanks decide to ram someone off the road for speeding.

History and Discovery sometimes have decent stuff on but I've noticed they too are repeating stuff a lot now. Series is a bit crap these days, Spin City and Whose Line are about the only things worth watching, there's far too much old rubbish on there though.

Otherwise though, I'll just have the DMX Dance channel on in the background while I'm doing other stuff...but even that's become a bit crappy in the passt few weeks!

VQuest: I agree with you. A good feature would be to have the ability to suggest programmes or movies to show again on the channels like Series and MM. I mean, I could watch Snatch over and over again until my eyes bleed and still enjoy it, plus there's agood movie that was on a quite a while ago called Who Is Cletis Tout? but it seems there's no plan for it to be shown again.

If only DStv would listen to what the customers want instead of doing their own thing, like bringing in crappy African channels that few people are actually interested in, or Project Lame, which is just a complete waste of time, money and oxygen. Only a live-broadcast execution of the utterly talentless contestants would get me to watch it.

**martin** · 26-07-2004 02:06 PM

I got rid of my tv, best thing I ever did.

**BTTB** · 26-07-2004 04:10 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">DSTV are doubling the live Prem Soccer from England they show to 380 games over 3 seasons. Just imagine how the bill is going to rocket to pay for it.....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I'm going to phone them asking if they could consider a bouquet without the sport channel.

Im still pissed off about the Sci Fi channel.

<hr noshade size="1">You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.

**playkiller no.2** · 26-07-2004 04:29 PM

Why could they not drop CCTV none of us Speak Chinese.

Cartoon Network is nothing but repeat,repeat repeat.............DIE TOPCRAP.

**TheVoice** · 26-07-2004 05:04 PM

"I'm going to phone them asking if they could consider a bouquet without the sport channel."

I agree with that - if a sport addict wants the sport channels he should have to pay for them while we don't. Same goes for all the African crap and all the foreign channels that aren't on their own "bouquets", if you want the Chinese or Dutch channels then buy them, I don't see why we should have to put up with it or pay for it.

Leave like one or two sports channels (like they do elsewhere in the world) just for those times when they're actually wanted, but have 7 or 9 or however many there are is just stupid.

Why don't they drop the Travel Channel? I've never, ever watched it (other than for a few seconds), and I've enver seen or heard about anyone else watching it either. But no, instead they get rid of a channel they're too lazy to improve (sci-Fi), regardless of the fact that people actually watch it.

**BTTB** · 26-07-2004 05:35 PM

I'm glad someone else thinks that a separation of the sports channels is a feasible idea.

<hr noshade size="1">You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.

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