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    Quote Originally Posted by icyrus View Post
    Makes no difference does it?
    Sounds right to me. One cannot disprove the existence of some greater cosmic being who we would label as a "god", but the jump to a personal god who "loves you" and reads your mind is a bit too big a jump, as there is precisely zero credible evidence thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icyrus View Post
    Makes no difference does it?
    No.Not really.
    We still exist and we will all die eventually, might as well make the most of it while we're alive I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icyrus View Post
    Makes no difference does it?
    Yeh, it would make a difference. Would contradict the laws of nature and everything we understand about the world. Thankfully, contradictions do not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopsky View Post
    But then you're still left with the question of what made God.
    Yeah. That's the unfortunate dilemma we are presented with. Our minds are only smart enough to think of life in terms of cause and effect. In our minds, something just cannot always have been there. So in essence we cannot imagine something always being there and we also only believe in cause and effect (What came first and what came before that etc? Something must have made that and something must have made what came before that). Both these "limitations" of our minds basically disables our ability conceive of a beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chopsky View Post
    But then you're still left with the question of what made God.
    Not really, the very definition of God would be something which could bypass that need.

    I also think this basic requirement for "existences beginning point", proves there must be a God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwenzori View Post
    Sounds right to me. One cannot disprove the existence of some greater cosmic being who we would label as a "god", but the jump to a personal god who "loves you" and reads your mind is a bit too big a jump, as there is precisely zero credible evidence thereof.
    Might be nice never to be alone. To have the feeling that an all mighty being is in your head and all around you, watching you...wait...I'm starting to get paranoid...I really wouldn't want anyone reading my mind or watching me....ALL the time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurial View Post
    Yeah. That's the unfortunate dilemma we are presented with. Our minds are only smart enough to think of life in terms of cause and effect. In our minds, something just cannot always have been there. So in essence we cannot imagine something always being there and we also only believe in cause and effect. Both these "limitations" of our minds basically disables our ability conceive of a beginning.
    It's not just our minds which suffer from this truth, all the stuff in the universe plays by these same rules of needing a beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jak3 View Post

    I also think this basic requirement for "existences beginning point", proves there must be a God.
    That doesn't prove anything. The only proof of "God" would be if he physically came down and spoke to us and performed miracles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jak3 View Post
    Not really, the very definition of God would be something which could bypass that need.

    I also think this basic requirement for "existences beginning point", proves there must be a God.
    Er, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jak3 View Post
    It's not just out minds which suffer from this truth, all the stuff in the universe plays by these same rules of needing a beginning.
    Except god of course....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BipolarDude.ADHD View Post

    There is no real evidence to prove the existence or non-existence of God.
    You think? Why don't you look around you. If you think it's all one mother of a fluke and we are well developed apes with no point to life except make money and then die and that's the end....Fine!

    I personally don't buy that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icyrus View Post
    Except god of course....
    Well exactly. Something must bypass the limitations of everything in existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BipolarDude.ADHD View Post
    Might be nice never to be alone. To have the feeling that an all mighty being is in your head and all around you, watching you...wait...I'm starting to get paranoid...I really wouldn't want anyone reading my mind or watching me....ALL the time!
    Well, Ceiling Cat watches you masturbate - so be careful LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by icyrus View Post
    Er, no.
    Er, why dont you try hypothesize what the beginning catalyst would require?

    What do you think it would need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jak3 View Post
    Er, why dont you try hypothesize what the beginning catalyst would require?

    What do you think it would need?
    Stop thinking of time as linear.
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