IamLegion, did you get stock anywhere?
There is still epic vagueness from intel about stock. Any chips in the handfull that do arrive are already pre-allocated.
Lounger... 3 things you need to understand.
1. The release date for the chips (10 Jan if im correct ) was close to new years so you would understand that shipping these chips was a problem.
2. A lot of these chips that have been sold locally were sent to rsa via air freight, so quantities are very limited.
3. Intel SA released small quantities of these chips to all the different suppliers. At the supplier these chips are prolly on a back log of atleast 20-50 chips.
Ive been waiting for my 2600k for almost 2 weeks now and keep on getting the same response. The suppliers are waiting for stock. Other thing is we are a low priority country. Its not about that they dont want our money, its about the bulk effect. We order for example 1000 units were America orders 10000. Who do you think they are going to supply ?
And as for your dispute with Landmark , i think you might have a little misplaced anger ... he's the only online shop that seems to be commenting here ...
AFAIK my supplier said his ETA is 26 Jan. Lets hope these chips start coming in... cause this 4 chips here and 4 chips there aint working for anyone.
I think what irritates most is the lack of information. Certainly if I had known there were 20 in the whole initial shipment, I would have taken one. Some distributors don't even have the SB k series on their product list, which is astounding!
I think more should be made of this situation rather than just accepting that it's one of those things and we should just wait. I would have made other plans as well. Instead, the forecast is more delays and short supply on the next batch.
I don't seriously think a sea shipment is a good idea either. In fact I thought all imports if this type were by air nowadays.
On the New Year reasoning. Chinese new year is in February. Also the rest of the world isn't like SA. There aren't giant gaps in service around Christian celebrations. Beyond 2nd January, things are very much back to full swing - Europe especially
Ye but most of the suppliers dont allow a lot of stock in during these times... Seeing that its prime time for theft, like last year... (1,4mil in theft).
As for air vs. shipping. Air is much more expensive. They weigh the cost of a container shipped to same amount via air, HUGE difference!
As someone pointed out... all im hoping is that the prices don't increase heavily due to supply and demand, cause that would just suck. I can get any processor except the 2600k and that the one i want. What i don't understand though how they screwed up by importing so many of the lower chips. My logic would be to import more of the top range (which are affordable vs old i7 pricing) instead of the crappy lower i3 sb processors. Ppl that are upgrading to sb are upgrading to either 2500k or 2600k cause they are the pioneers/enthusiasts.
Lets hope this shortage is short lived. -_-
No let me slim this down a bit. I may be wrong but surely it does not take a business major to see why shipping would be cheaper. Perhaps i am not aware that air freight is only slightly cheaper than shipping so it makes sense to fly everything in but wow the difference between shipping costs and air freight must be huge.
How does the container work? You pay for the container and it is limited to so many kg's?
I may have missed a post or two in here about the shipping if i did then you can happily quote it for me
I will ask the t-shirt guy i buy from how it works because i am sure if he can fit 50000 t-shirts into a container then even if it cost 50k it is only 1 rand but flying it in would have set him back 1 million if not more perhaps 10 million if wanted to make sure his clients had it in 3-5 days then i will go bitch at his new pricing, less profit shipping but no savings for the end user!!!!!! Also why should he care that i need my shirts/parts in the next week. Money and more money, nobody cares about some little moaner who couldn't get his cpu on time . there are more important things than making sure customs release stuff on time and there are no drama's with the cheap ass airfreight or the slow often hard to track ship .
If you want the cpu so bad go and import it and pay the extra. It will cost roughly the same, possibly more depending if you want it in 3-5 or 15-100. I would suggest dhl, they are sharp at clearing things and customs is just wonderful they cannot even check if someone has imported before. You must phone sit there for like 30 minutes waiting and waiting and then get asked have imported before? No just fking release my stock you already a crap load of dollars from me!!!!!! Now i can imagine how painful it must be importing loads of goods on the cheap. I struggled paying 3-5 day airfreight with customs( i had to drive there or they would not release). I cannot recall now why dhl were good i fkin cleared it at customs , tracking was good though i can just imagine if i used the cheap option, tracking must horrific to non existent. If i never tracked it and took the number i wonder how long it would have taken to put the slip in box and if i never followed it would customs or anyone have cared that it was stuck? Although i am sure cheap air freight could be more organized now and have good tracking. No HTF could people import cheaply using air freight sounds like a bad move . Big stock sitting for weeks.
Lounger perhaps i am wrong but why is it you think everything is air freighted? if you took an average boat load vs an average air freight load i wonder how many air freight loads fit on a boat, i just need a rough estimate i realize some planes smaller or bigger? I am sure a cargo plane's fuel bill must be bigger than the boat's entire journey possibly more, not sure how much fuel a boat uses but it must be far less than a plane by a country mile. If you want to maximize profits surely you are not flying everything in, i don't even know why i am questioning that. I just cannot see how even the cheapest air freight can compare to container full of goodies. Space strikes me as the main problem for a plane along with weight. So far less space, far bigger fuel bill, much much lighter load than a cargo ship. Satisfying your clients yes, making a killing no? Does not sound right. Proffffffffffffit is the name of the game for anyone who to run a successful business. Making clients happy making no money is a bit pointless surely?
I wish air freight was cheap and fast because i would import everything but it is not really much cheaper which makes sense because everyone is saving massive amounts of money by using something as slow as a boat. Imagine everything was air freighted, F me the prices would be double. In general it shops don't make large profit per item but an importer using a container must be coining it something crazy. Perhaps i am wrong and everything is air freight in . Mr landmark i doubt you would know much about importing huh, silly question maybe i should ask importing bulk? Obviously people are not shipping smaller one like a single ipad or cpu ipad but 20 cpu's is a fair amount if you have a container already with goodies in it, just top it up and you get your 20 cpu's with the other things you purchased along those slow shipping lanes. If you know everyone else is going to be slow and people don't want to pay 600 bucks extra then why fly the order if it will be cheaper by ship even on 20 cpu's or mobo's? Of course people want cheap prices along with fast delivery. Cheap prices fast delivery? let me know when you come down . Until i can find out how much shipping a container full of goods using air freight is then there is a possibility people are air freighting everything in i guess, not everything but the smaller orders lie 20 cpu's or mobo's. obviously they are not flying cases and the bigger stuff in.
Last edited by killadoob; 24-01-2011 at 08:46 PM.
Who in their right mind would put 20 chips in a sea container?? The argument put forth repeatedly, is that our local market is small. A ship takes around 6 weeks. Ffs, even USPS is faster! Yep, that's a padded bag flown in quite cheaply amongst all the others.
No, I'm starting to see that the importers ( some junior probably) hadn't done any research to see what would be likely to sell - and had no clue about K chips. Even a cursory glance on the Internet would have given a moron a clue. These chips were being reviewed last year already.
How can companies have eta's for something that never runs on time unless ships actually arrive on the eta and off load on that exact day and customs just goes yebo yes or do the eta's factor in the time customs takes, is there an average or just really slow? Surely customs is not always slow or why would the eta's be out by so much and if the goods could be tracked why do the eta's only ever change on the day they fail to arrive? O F we better find the ship so we can change the eta by 2 weeks, "we cannot track it dumbass" it is on the slow boat!!!!! just put another week on the eta and let's hope. Start a worst case scenario because nobody would be mad if the eta was moved up by two weeks but let it be late and if the eta's were realistic then it may help as well and it would not crush the end user. I hate eta's because i always get so excited, yay its the 25th time for my new goodie that was suppose to arrive by some cheap way of importing. Then i am like what? You would think it is expected but that eta just aids the excitement. Then you give the sales rep some crap and ask HTF can this happen? A slow boat out at sea? The snail mail? HTF does this happen and now i must 32 rand more!!!!!! WTF. How realistic are eta's once they run late? I guess online shops who buy from importers are not at fault they are just relaying a message from the supplier who never make their eta's
Lounger are people importing or purchasing via intel? Who decided what to import i wonder and would intel have let them know about the special k in enough time for them put it in the slow boat? perhaps intel knew the k would sell well so they used the early release to move some of the lesser selling stock. No k's? Ok well just gimme the non k one then i cannot wait for the damn boat all my life . then the cpu price rises sometimes by as much as 32 bucks because demand is high and again maximizing profit or surely intel would just make every cpu a k . Well i have seen estimates of 1500 dolla to 2000 dolla i cannot find a limit on the weight of which there must be. Sounds fairly cheap to send stuff ona boat and you don't need a whole container for the 20 cpu's, LOL i was checking it out and imagine 70% of the cargo happens to be small orders, obviously the smaller orders are packed neatly into containers and could well end up sharing containers with more than one parcel . Sure the people are paying for the containers so it may work outt he same but then how would you convince someone to send their 20 cpu's to ZA using a 2500 dollar container, i would imagine all suppliers need to do is pay intel and the shipping costs locally.
Last edited by killadoob; 24-01-2011 at 09:31 PM.
Are you guys stoned? They will never import 20 chips at a time via boat...
If my math is correct the average container sizes are as follows
If each intel box is 0.2m x 0.2m x 0.2m = 0.008m3
Now say you work in the boxes going in boxes and a more optimal way to pack the containers and loose 20% of your space.
Gives you 15120 units.
Now theres is no way in hell they will ship 20 cpus if their max is 15k.
Im sure they will at least fill it up halfway and then use the rest for mobos or what ever. Now that gives you a total of 7k cpus for example that they are going to ship. Im sure 7k cpus via boat and 7k cpus via air and the impact that it will have on your final price is HUGE!
So you tell me...do you really think they will ship only 20chips ?
They did only ship 20. God's truth.
The cost of airfreight is much more competitive now. Just about all mac pcs come in that way. If they were sensible, they would fly in a reasonable sized batch, then ship the rest at the same time.
My package took 10 days USPS and I cleared it through customs myself in 20 mins. Apparently the cheaper the posting method, the longer customs will keep it in the pile. This is why DHL is so efficient.
Oh and doob, if it were only little me waiting, I would shut up. Every person building a decent PC wants SB. In fact resellers won't sell much stock with a problem like this on CPUs AND motherboards. It must be hitting them fairly hard. Nobody wants to buy lots of single items and pay delivery on each.
I think though if you take 20 cpus and get a quote from a shipping yard it would come to far less than flying and buying an entire container. These ships are surely not fast food delivery so if you are looking to save money then shipping it via a slow ass boat must be cheaper. They could do it but maybe we are mad. Imagine how many "littleish" parcels you pack in a container. 20 cpu's is not huge but it's not really small either. perhaps intel just don't the stock to fly over here and when there is stock the planes will start and stock will flow. it is not like people are going to buy amd so why would intel need to spend extra flying cpu's around? Besides who do they want to sell to 20 cpu kippie or 20000 a week newegg.
Dude my point about little you was not just aimed at you, who do you think they care about? Customers who cannot get stock anywhere else or their pocket?
Would the company importing 20 cpu's rather pocket 4k or ship them over 3-5 possibly 10 days and make customers who cannot get stock happy? you gain nothing by giving guys their stock while you make next to nothing? Boat or snail mail. There is no 3-5 deals here not if you want to sell your cpu . Boat in the sea somewhere will be prioritized so back to queue for your 20 cpu's. 10 days is decent and how much did it cost to send it? You sent it from the USPS to dhl here could work actually depending on pricing. It would have to be 1/4 the price i would imagine. Of course they the smaller parcels to the side, who is giving them big money to release the goods? Intel etc or poor little kippie waiting for his 20 cpu's . I doubt things move at customs without factoring in getting gears in motion. 20 cpu's won't cut it. Chump change compared to some of the containers . How could you run a business if you are more worried more about the eta of an item than making rent . I doubt intel would pack a 20 cpu order if they were not in this country.
Last edited by killadoob; 24-01-2011 at 11:26 PM.
we may not be a big market in intel terms, but i would suspect even they would concede that shipping 20 cpus makes no sense.
i suspect the cost of organising to ship 20 cpus would wipe out any profit they woudl make of the chips.
Do NOT construe anything I type as advice
Intel would never ship just 20 CPU's. If anything they'd ship 20 of the K series chips with the normal shipment of 1155, 1156 and 1366 chips as well as the older 775 chips, motherboards and SSD drives etc.
Well it does answer a question about shipping methods. Can't have come by sea if only so few arriving in dribs and drabs.