He overtook Button close to the end of the race for 2nd place and his whole car (all four wheels) left the track. Dunno if I would call it cheating but he should definitely give the position back.Originally Posted by DJ...
He overtook Button close to the end of the race for 2nd place and his whole car (all four wheels) left the track. Dunno if I would call it cheating but he should definitely give the position back.
Relating to Red Bull, not Vettel:
Vettel's issue was that he overtook Button off track. Very close but interesting to see if it was legal for him to use that piece of track or not... He would likely have done it before the next lap regardless, but still... let's see what the rules say. I reckon he should have backed off and tried again later.German Grand Prix race stewards have decided to take no further action against Red Bull over torque map irregularities.
The stewards stated that, while they did not accept all of Red Bull's arguments, there was no infringement of Article 5.5.3 of the technical regulations.
This means that Sebastian Vettel will be allowed to line up second on the grid for the race, with team-mate Mark Wark Webber eighth after a gearbox change.
The statement from the stewards read as follows: "The stewards received a report from the FIA technical delegate, along with specific ECU data from Red Bull Racing cars #1 and #2. The Stewards met with the team representatives and the representative of the engine supplier Renault.
"While the stewards do not accept all the arguments of the team, they however conclude that as the regulation is written, the map presented does not breach the text of Art 5.5.3 of the Formula 1 Technical Regulations and therefore decided to take no action."
The equivocal wording of the stewards' statement suggests that Red Bull might be not entirely within the spirit of the regulations. If the FIA is unhappy with what Red Bull is doing with its engine mapping, it is possible that there could be a rules clarification at a later date closing any potential loophole.
Last edited by TirNaNog; 22-07-2012 at 04:31 PM.
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Him and JB were dicing into the hairpin. Vettel came past on the run down, but JB cut tight on the inside and they were side-to-side on the exit. Vettel then ran clean off the track on the outside which saw him gain enough momentum to slot in front of JB. His excuse afterwards, when JB told him 'they are going to investigate your overtake, you know', was that he didn't know where JB was and went wide in order to avoid an accident.
He had all four wheels off the track, but it'll be up to the stewards to decide whether he gained an advantage or not.
Anyway, I think the race still bodes well for the second half of the season...
Seems a clear-cut case to me. You can't go off-track to gain an advantage. He either gives the place back or drops down one as far as I recall the rules...
Right, I didn't argue that point
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I agree, he can't say he didn't know where Button was - that's just too easy.
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And they clarified the overtaking rule that when another car is a significant portion alongside you need to leave enough space, Button didn't do that, forcing Vettel wide and off track. Had Button left him space this wouldn't have been an issue.
I just watched the incident and that is a pathetic excuse. There is no way he can argue that he didn't know where Button was. Even if he did, it doesn't change the fact that he gained a position by going off-track. Button had the inside racing line and regardless of how much track he used (it was a hairpin so not sure how this could be argued), he was in the right...
Doesn't change the rule that you cannot gain a position going off-track...
Watch the video again, Button left room for Vettel but then only moved onto the curb after seeing Vettel leave the track. Button has more than enough experience in F1 racing to know what to do and how things work.
In Bahrain Rosberg was being unnecessarily aggressive, he didnt just push Hamilton off the track but also your beloved Alonso.
Amazed at Vettel thinking he could get away with his lies.
After the race you could clearly hear Button going up to Vettel and confronting him about the move and telling him how he is being investigated.
Then when Vettel gets interviewed on the podium Vettel says 'He never complained to me'. What a disgrace.. his hand signals when Hamilton overtook him were also appalling. Thinks he's the F1 King or something.
And then Vettel whinges about Hamilton unlapping himself... he reckons Hamilton (who was faster at the time) should have just sat behind him until the end of the race lol.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101413
Sorry for Vettel but Lewis had every right to unlap himself and would have kicked himself if he didn't and there was a SC at the end.Sebastian Vettel hit out at Lewis Hamilton for unlapping himself during the German Grand Prix, calling the McLaren driver's actions "stupid".
Hamilton was a lap down after sustaining a puncture on debris early in the race, but was going faster than leaders Fernando Alonso and Vettel having just pitted for fresh tyres.
The McLaren spent a while between the first and second-placed Ferrari and Red Bull, while at the same time Hamilton's team-mate Jenson Button was closing in on Vettel.
"That was not nice of Lewis. I don't see why he was racing us," said Vettel. "If he wants to go fast he should drop back and find a gap. It was stupid as he was a lap down."
He added: "If you want to go quick and you have no chance to win the race you should respect that and use common sense. I didn't expect him to attack because I didn't see the point, and then I was surprised when he was side by side."
Vettel reckons the delay he incurred battling with Hamilton was critical in his loss of second place to Button in the subsequent pitstops. The Red Bull later regained the spot with a controversial late pass.
"I think that [Hamilton battle] lost us the place to Button because shortly after that we pitted," said Vettel.
Alonso acknowledged that Vettel's dice with Hamilton had been handy for him, and that he would have swiftly let the McLaren past if necessary.
"I knew that if Lewis was close enough with the DRS and trying to overtake, I had no problem to leave the space," said Alonso. "I knew he was not in the race. We didn't want to risk anything. For me it was a good position to have Hamilton between me and Sebastian.
"Having Hamilton there it meant Sebastian was 2.5s behind approaching the pitstop, so I tried to keep Lewis there."
Vettel also felt his Red Bull was not quite quick enough at times in the race, particularly when in traffic.
"Overall the pace was there but it was extremely difficult," said Vettel. "When we were close to Fernando and to Jenson we lost a lot and it was hard to stay close to try something under braking. That seemed to be the problem.
"I'm not entirely happy, because I think we could have been a bit better if we were in clean air for most of the race."
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You can clearly see Button leaving room for Vettel here, but Vettel doesn't bother to turn in as he knows he can put his foot on the accelerator earlier and just go off the circuit while button turns his car to be in line with the track. Button sees this and therefore moves across onto the racing line making you think he didnt leave any room.
That right there shows you the difference in maturity between Alonso and Vettel. Why would Vettel put up a fight with someone that is faster, far behind in position and nothing to lose?
Seriously, to me Vettel is the Bieber of F1. He pisses me off every time I see him. Would've been way better if he got the damn puncture instead of Hamilton :angry:
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