the media is starting the fire as usual
the media is starting the fire as usual
The Anton Ferdinand-John Terry saga will probably fuel this as well.Originally Posted by Stickfigure
The court ruling in that case may tie the hands of the FA and this will cause Suarez to question the FA again as to why Terry escaped conviction and he did not.
Terry should get a ban as well.
"The success you are enjoying today is the result of the price you have paid in the past."
Not going to happen mate.
I haven't read the entire transcript but from the ones being posted about the trail Ferdinand did say he didn't hear it and does not believe he made a racist comment - No complaint was lodged with the FA regarding the incident. So not FA's right to charge Terry with anything
Last edited by fishfly; 20-07-2012 at 01:17 PM.
I don't think a complaint has to be lodged with the FA in order for them to take action.
Suarez should lodge a complaint.
"The success you are enjoying today is the result of the price you have paid in the past."
AH FOR F*** SAKES.
Can we just move on please. It's like flogging a dead horse.
How does that explain this;
Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia – The court trial that found John Terry not guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand was “traumatic” for the QPR defender, his manager Mark Hughes said on Monday.
Hughes was speaking at a press conference in the Malaysian city of Kota Kinabalu, where his side will play an exhibition match against a local side on Tuesday.
On QPR's arrival in the city on Saturday, Ferdinand declined to comment on Terry's acquittal on Friday at a London court.
“Anton gave his side of what happened in court and it was certainly a traumatic experience for him,” Hughes told reporters.
“So far he has reacted well and is committed to the Asian tour, where we have three friendly matches to play.
Chelsea skipper Terry and Ferdinand could yet face disciplinary action from England's Football Association for bringing the game into disrepute – they admitted in court to verbally abusing each other several times.Ferdinand's account of the run-in:
"He called me a c***, and I called him a c*** back. And he gave me a gesture as if to say my breath smelled. I said to him: "How can you call me a c***? You shagged your team-mate's missus, you're a c***."Clearly Ferdinand believes he was abused. John Terry does not deny saying what he is alleged to have said, only contesting the intended purpose. Terry's defence hinged on the inability to determine what Ferdinand was saying and by claiming to have said "a f***ing black c***?" the defence argues that Ferdinand himself had called himself that and Terry repeated the statement as a question.And here are some selected passages from the chief magistrate's verdict.
The Crown say that Mr Terry responded by aiming the words "f*** off, f*** off, yeah, yeah and you f***ing black c***, f***ing knobhead", and possibly one or more other words, at Mr Ferdinand.
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, "f*** off, f*** off", "f***ing black c***" or "f***ing knobhead". His case is that his words were not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or insulting.
It is obvious, and again not in dispute, that at the time that John Terry said "black c***" and "f***ing knobhead" he was angry.
In cross-examination he accepted that he appears to use the word "and" and as a result the only difference between the prosecution and the defence is that the Crown alleged he says "you/ya f***ing black c***" whereas the defence case is that he said "a f***ing black c***?" There are missing words, and I have not been prepared to speculate as to what they may be.
The FA, like the Suarez-Evra case, should have gotten on to this and not let it slide. The verdict will make it impossible for Terry to be charged unless they come up with a new charge, such as bringing the game into disrepute, but he cannot face charges of racism.
But at the end of the day it's safe to say that both players were behaving like juveniles, a racial slur was made - whether by Ferdinand and repeated by Terry or by Terry - and Terry is just a knobhead in general.
Exactly what you posted, my post touched on the fact that Ferdinand - at the time not log a complaint that Terry called him a B**** C*** but someone else in the crowd logged the complaint with the police...
In the case of Evra -> Suarez, Evra went to the linesmen and filed a complaint
Okay, so it was not a direct complaint from Anton. Still, he feels he was abused. And it it also doe not mean that the FA should not act. They are the umbrella organisation, so whether a player or fan complains, they need to look into it.
This will make the FAs verdict difficult and it is going to be interesting. If they follow the court ruling and say not guilty, this throws questions over the Suarez-Evra case, source of the complaint aside as it is still an FA matter. If they say guilty, the court system is going to be thrown into doubt.
One does not necessarily affect the other.
+1
They have very different burdens of proof to uphold as well.
Difference is the FA can only charge Terry for verbally abusing another player... they can't charge Terry for Racist comment cos there was no complaint of Racism was raised...
so your argument that if FA had to charge Terry would never arise
I think it does. This has opened the racism in football debate in the UK. Many retired black footballers that played in the 80s (the height of racism in English football) are disturbed by the court ruling and it can affect the FAs judgements. Someone is going to look stupid if two different rulings are made.
Weak argument. It is clear a racial slur was used, whether by Terry first or as a reaction by Terry to Ferdinand's comment, and so the FA should look into it regardless. It is the FAs job to ensure the players, administrators and officials conduct themselves in an appropriate manner. If you bother reading English papers you will see it has opened a whole can of worms with retired black footballers saying English football will degenerate into the dark days of the 80s when racial abuse was rampant.
Last edited by thestaggy; 20-07-2012 at 07:06 AM.
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