The R89 billion broadband question

Does this R60-89 billion include computers for 100% of South Africa's citizens? If not, what will 100% broadband penetration help?

Isn't this whole thing a bit of a joke in a country like South Africa? People don't have food or houses. How can the DoC be serious? I can't imagine SA can afford a project like this, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't help the majority of the population as their needs lies at a whole different level.
 
I am desperate for better internet, but first, we know they will pour down the money into the wrong pockets, and Viva has a good point.
 
It is currently not clear how Pule plans to raise the money to fund the DoC’s broadband target.

Collect all the tax money that would have been spent wastefully, needlessly, fraudulently, etc, which, iirc, totals to R20 Billion for 2011 alone, and spend it on proper broadband investment.

Now elect me as president :)
 
Communications minister Dina Pule says that it may cost between R60 billion and R89 billion to meet the DoC’s 100% broadband penetration target

Keep your billions - if anything they will end up in the wrong hands. Just free the market with good policies, stronger regulation and decisive (but wise) action on spectrum allocation and you've got your penetration right there. We South Africans are a clever bunch and if you get the boot heel off our necks from the big players we will give you your broadband, stimulate the economy and create jobs for you sooner than you can imagine or plan.
 
So we're going to create 160,000 TEMPORARY new jobs by spending lots of money?
Sounds like the World Cup stadium construction.

As much as I like the idea of better telecommunications for everyone, I think there are far better places to invest money such as the education system.
 
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So we're going to create 160,000 TEMPORARY new jobs by spending lots of money?
Sounds like the World Cup stadium construction.

As much as I like the idea of better telecommunications for everyone, I think there are far better places to invest money such as the education system.

^ this. Pretty pointless having broadband connectivity if you can't read.
 
R90bn?

That clearly means they aren't doing fibre to every premise like they are in Australia...

So good to see that even in the DoC's wildest dreams.. they fall short of the reality that other countries are already implementing
 
As much as I like the idea of better telecommunications for everyone, I think there are far better places to invest money such as the education system.

The two are not mutually exclusive. In areas where libraries, teachers, book stores, educated parents and even staionery are hard to come by, the internet becomes a pivotal tool in helping to address all of these problems in a far more cost effective and timely manner than investing directly in each of these areas. While the 100% penetration is but a pipe dream, it is a very good ideology to follow. The issue that I have with the operational aspect is that government seem hellbent on legislating and forcing the hand of private companies without first emancipating its stronghold grip on the fixed-line business in South Africa...
 
Has the good minister considered that not everybody in South Africa needs or even wants broadband? The more rural regions of the country, such as the former Transkei, and the sparsely populated Northern Cape probably don't lend themselves to the roll out of extensive fibre or copper networks owing to their remoteness and the typically low earnings of those who inhabit these areas. Many people in this country cannot afford a computer or smartphone. These parts of the country might be better served by subsidised internet kiosks/cafes using wireless connections at selected community centres.

The installation of dense fibre and copper networks makes more sense [to me] in urban areas where there are a greater number of residents per unit area who might potentially want to use such services and can afford to pay for means of access. Even here, one should not forget the burgeoning, and claustrophobically packed, and often poverty-stricken inhabitants of informal settlements that have insinuated themselves into our urban settlements. Provision would need to be made for these too if the minister's ambitions were to be realised.

There will still be haves, have-nots, and want-nots...
 
Many people in this country cannot afford a computer or smartphone. These parts of the country might be better served by subsidised internet kiosks/cafes using wireless connections at selected community centres.

This is exactly what the DoC should be helping companies and communities to invest in. You are right in that there is absolutely no point in extending fibre connections to each rural home, however there needs to be a central hub for each village/community centred around learning and business activities...
 
So now I understand why 256K is the minimum for a service to be classed broadband in SA! It's cheaper to role out older tech with lower speeds than to roll out something that supports 10mbps! Sneaky ICASA!
 
R445 000 per person to create 200 000 jobs. Are they crazy. Internet is they rural areas is not going to help anybody. Come on internet is not important to people that does not have electracity or water or food.
 
They're talking of 100% broadband penetration, yet they're dragging their feet with implementing LLU and other legislation that would force Telkom to reduce ADSL costs. And I still want to know what the govt is doing to reduce copper theft, because that is one major issue that can go miles in allowing Telkom to expand its network and possibly lower its fees, while at the same time encouraging other players to lay down their own networks.
 
The picture in 2020 could be very different. Just because they dont have PC's now, does not mean they wont have PC's in 8 years time.

*edit* not that I think their target is realistic. I dont think they have ever met a deadline... not even the easy ones.
 
The picture in 2020 could be very different. Just because they dont have PC's now, does not mean they wont have PC's in 8 years time.

The PC penetration rate in South Africa was about 7.9% of the population in 2004.
By 2009 that figure had increased to about 9.4% or a whopping 1.5% increase over a 5 year period.
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=476&mid=9405781&pt=msg

Another report http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/15804-sa-s-broadband-penetration-the-way-forward.html puts the figure at about 6% in 2009.

2020 is less than 8 years away and with the unemployment and low income of most South African's I fail to see how this "investment" will pay off.
 
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what a bunch of 4ssh0les.

Has someone drawn them a picture yet, of what the internet actually is and what it's used for ?
 
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