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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodeamus View Post
    logic failure:
    conservatisms are against transformation, therefore everyone who is against transformation has to be conservative..

    Painting everyone with same brush! Always a win!
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    Quote Originally Posted by abandonallhope View Post
    What exactly were you proud of ? For telling the truth ?
    For coming out the theist closet with government
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveza View Post
    I thought that was what would happen under the ANC govt.
    No. Edited: Actually here is truth taken from Leon Louw:

    By the way the Constitution forbids racial and other discrimination except for a single sentence exception, which may be only vertically applicable (ie applies only to government):

    "To promote the achievement of equality, legislative and other [ie similar] measures designed to protect or advance persons, or categories of persons, disadvantaged by unfair discrimination may be taken."

    Note inter alia that (a) there's no reference to race or (b) historical discrimination, and that it applies individuals and categories (which can hardly be said to be 80% of the population), and that the disadvantage must be present (in both senses of the words).

    It seems clear that "unfair" discrimination (including all "horizontal" discrimination) is unconstitutional, yet no one has the guts to say so.
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    I think that it is ridiculous to paint an entire institution as racist and homophobic because of two or three drunken incidents that could have taken place anywhere in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobsLawnService View Post
    I think that it is ridiculous to paint an entire institution as racist and homophobic because of two or three drunken incidents that could have taken place anywhere in the world.

    Don't you know, the guilty by association or poisen the well fallacy is a favourite amongst many liberals here. Only it never applies to them. Still haven't figured out why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodeamus View Post
    logic failure:
    conservatisms are against transformation, therefore everyone who is against transformation has to be conservative..
    Uh. That's pretty much the definition of being conservative - being against change. Conservatism is not reactionary, even though the Americans seem to think it is. WilD_CaT is of course a reactionary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilD_CaT View Post
    Don't you know, the guilty by association or poisen the well fallacy is a favourite amongst many liberals here. Only it never applies to them. Still haven't figured out why...
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    The funniest is people not being smart enough to follow the conversation

    In my OP I was sure to use the words, "I wonder". IE; "I wonder if they are responsible for it". So believe it or not, a whole organization is not being painted with the same brush. Since I know that they are cult-like and the head of the church fits my definition of evil, and since since I know many stories about their past history and dishonesty... my mind wondered if they were behind the homophobia. In my mind theyre cult like enough and Stellies is small enough that it could easily be them. Some of you guys really need to get your heads out your asses and think for a moment.
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    Ghoti, you're ranting and raving and not making much sense. This doesn't sound like a coordinated campaign of hate by some cult. Instead it was probably a case of everyone being drunk, some dude saying something stupid, one of the lesbians retaliating and bruising his ego and him taking it too far. I'm sure everyone felt like a right tit when they woke up in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobsLawnService View Post
    Ghoti, you're ranting and raving and not making much sense.
    Geez dude, calm down. You are going off your nut. Shu. See how this works?

    This doesn't sound like a coordinated campaign of hate by some cult.
    No one said it was a coordinated campaign by the Shofar cult. The cult teaches homophobia so it would be natural for its followers to be homophobic.


    Instead it was probably a case of everyone being drunk, some dude saying something stupid, one of the lesbians retaliating and bruising his ego and him taking it too far. I'm sure everyone felt like a right tit when they woke up in the morning.
    Well you can thumb suck that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoti View Post
    Well you can thumb suck that.
    There is more evidence supporting my hypothesis than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    Ad hominem. Besides I only really react this way to one person on here. Most of the posts I don't give a damn.

    What I do find interesting is that people don't think and take many ideas for granted as correct. They blatantly aren't. I do enjoy pointing out the error in reasoning and logic in a concept, more so when it is accepted by many people.

    It is also irritating when instead of trying to argue the point, many (and it is mostly liberals) on here simply claim they have a superior intellect or moral ground and mock anyone who doesn't identify themselves as with them.

    As for the painting everyone with one brush fallacy, that comes down to history in a past debate on here.

    I'm still trying to get the guilty party to openly admit this is a fallacy instead of simply sneakily changing the link in his signature, but its the internet so I'm not getting my hopes up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    Uh. That's pretty much the definition of being conservative - being against change. Conservatism is not reactionary, even though the Americans seem to think it is. WilD_CaT is of course a reactionary.
    Another logic failure: Being conservative is against change, transformation is a form of change, therefore everyone who is against transformation is against change, therefore they are conservative.

    I can do this all day ! (I actually tutored a course in formal logic so forgive me if I'm pedantic and if I find your posts funny).

    Either I don't see that all conservatives (Which is a very broad term btw) are against change, that would be collectivism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodeamus View Post
    Another logic failure: Being conservative is against change, transformation is a form of change, therefore everyone who is against transformation is against change, therefore they are conservative.

    I can do this all day ! (I actually tutored a course in formal logic so forgive me if I'm pedantic and if I find your posts funny).

    Either I don't see that all conservatives (Which is a very broad term btw) are against change, that would be collectivism.
    I think you're missing my point. You can have some conservative views. Some liberal views. Some reactionary views. Some socialist views. Not wanting to change something is conservative. Being conservative is not wanting to change something. It's a iff statement.

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