Lumia 710

[DearHeart]

And now on Elite Mobile too...

[goofball]

I'm more ineterested in the 610 tbh. The battery life is supposed to much better and it can run Skype now as well.

[straatkat]

I'm more ineterested in the 610 tbh. The battery life is supposed to much better and it can run Skype now as well.

Skype require 512mb RAM and the 610 is a Tango device with just 256MB RAM. So no Skype for you.

[straatkat]

And now on Elite Mobile too...

Made a quick phone call, still no stock at Vodacom.

Pretty awesome.

[goofball]

Skype require 512mb RAM and the 610 is a Tango device with just 256MB RAM. So no Skype for you.

It's been confirmed it will work with the 256 mb memory.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/24/s...kia-lumia-610/

[roguemat]

Skype require 512mb RAM and the 610 is a Tango device with just 256MB RAM. So no Skype for you.

We had a Nokia chap phoning into wpcentral podcast on Skype from his 610. It never didn't work.

[straatkat]

We had a Nokia chap phoning into wpcentral podcast on Skype from his 610. It never didn't work.

Might work for voice calls on low end tango devices, but none of the current devices from Nokia (exception Lumia 900) have a front facing camera so we cannot say whether it will still work during a video call?

The official supported requirements is 512mb RAM.

[straatkat]

Btw, the whole, not supporting a front facing camera in Windows phone 7 was really stupid. What is worst is that all the launch devices from Nokia runs windows phone 7.5 (which does support front facing cameras), yet none of them have front facing cameras. Considering that the Lumia 800 was build of the the N9, which does have a front facing camera, this is rather silly. Considering that my Nokia 6680 came with video calling and a front facing camera makes one cringe a little.

[roguemat]

Might work for voice calls on low end tango devices, but none of the current devices from Nokia (exception Lumia 900) have a front facing camera so we cannot say whether it will still work during a video call?

The official supported requirements is 512mb RAM.

It will still work. If you have no ffc then it defaults to the back facing one.

[straatkat]

It will still work. If you have no ffc then it defaults to the back facing one.

Which is an awesome user experience...last time I checked the point of a video call is so that both people can see each other and that works best with a front facing camera. There are many things you can forgive a great innovative product, but lets not be stupid. Not having a front facing camera in this day and age is stupid, especially if you are the company that rolled out this tech many years ago, long before Facetime or the iPhone was even a concept with the Nokia 6680. Video calling over 3G was all the rage way back then. So Skype on 100% of Windows Phones in SA will be text only when you are realistic about it, unless you like to sit in front of a mirror when you call...

I get that people are passionate about a product. What frustrate me is when they are irrational about it.

[roguemat]

Which is an awesome user experience...last time I checked the point of a video call is so that both people can see each other and that works best with a front facing camera. There are many things you can forgive a great innovative product, but lets not be stupid. Not having a front facing camera in this day and age is stupid, especially if you are the company that rolled out this tech many years ago, long before Facetime or the iPhone was even a concept with the Nokia 6680. Video calling over 3G was all the rage way back then. So Skype on 100% of Windows Phones in SA will be text only when you are realistic about it, unless you like to sit in front of a mirror when you call...

I get that people are passionate about a product. What frustrate me is when they are irrational about it.

didn't you realize that I quoted your first post, and not the second one? I agree with the second, but you seem to think I was arguing?
I was merely responding to you saying"we cannot say whether it will still work during a video call?" - which looks like you are questioning whether it will work with the remaining camera. Of course it will.

as for not having a ffc on most devices, they were very silly. Purely because they should have realized that people would call them out about it. from a usability perspective, the only time I have used my ffc was to test it. Same goes for my 3 previous phones that had one. And yes, I use Skype everyday.

[straatkat]

Sorry, I misread your post. Bottom line is, unless you use Skype for messaging, it is not really that big of a deal, video calling is practically not feasible.

I also don't believe that it is the Windows Phone biggest problem, nor is it the lack of apps. For me personally it is the fact that you don't know what is going to happening down the road. With iphone you have a track record of Apple rolling out their iOS updates for a while. So the older devices gets added functionality. With Android it is a mixed bag. Some phones gets an upgrade others don't. Ice cream sandwich is a line in the sand. Most firms are only upgrading dual core devices. Everything else gets left behind.

With Windows Phone 7.5 everyone got updated, because lets be generous here. Windows 7 was a v1.0 release and Windows phone 7.5 was a version 1.1 release. Windows Phone 8 is something much bigger. Now what happen to your phone? What about security upgrades or fixes or software flaws? With older Nokia's like my E71 it got three software updates over the years. You get a Windows Phone device today, 6 months from now Windows phone 8 is all the rage...what then? That to me is where Microsoft needs to proof itself. We know the other two's track record. We also know pretty sure that Windows Phone 8 will be powered by the Windows 8 core and no longer the old CE core that is in there today. If you don't get updates to the platform on your device, what about apps, will the later apps work with Windows Phone 7.5? Microsoft is quick to comfort people by saying that Windows 7.5 apps will work on Windows Phone 8. Will the opposite be true? Will they continue to support Windows Phone 7.5
going forward?

with smart phones, you buy into an ecosystem. Is windows phone worth that investment?

[roguemat]

Yup, this is all true, and its going to be an interesting ride. I actually think they are doing a great job so far (except for their lack of communication).

WRT the updating, the only thing we have to base it on is Zune. The legacy Zunes still got updates right until the EOL of the Zune HD, which was rather surprising.
Guess only time will tell.

[sammya]

There are few software companies with a good a record of making sure that older hardware/software still has value.
MS is one of the exceptions - some MS OS based software from the 80's is still running on new hardare and/or Windows 7/XP/Me/8 ...

MS isn't going anywhere and despite all the bad press about Nokia, it's also not going down. iOS / Android took a few years to get where they are now. It's easy to use the changing market as supposed evidence for Nokias decline.
There simply is now more choice and 100/3 is obviously less that 100/1 (when iOS / Android didn't exist)

Hopefully this will also force Nokia/ MS to not make stupid decisions about not including FFC .... etc. etc. etc.

[straatkat]

There are few software companies with a good a record of making sure that older hardware/software still has value.
MS is one of the exceptions - some MS OS based software from the 80's is still running on new hardware and/or Windows 7/XP/Me/8 ...

MS isn't going anywhere and despite all the bad press about Nokia, it's also not going down. iOS / Android took a few years to get where they are now. It's easy to use the changing market as supposed evidence for Nokias decline.
There simply is now more choice and 100/3 is obviously less that 100/1 (when iOS / Android didn't exist)

Hopefully this will also force Nokia/ MS to not make stupid decisions about not including FFC .... etc. etc. etc.

They could do that, because they build the devices and did all the work to certify each update. With Windows Phone, they just build the software. Every phone maker would then have to certify each of their devices (some times multiple versions of a device) and then the carriers need to sign it off for release. Every one of those steps can kill your update.

So even if Nokia decides to port it back to first gen devices, they might be selective, just like Samsung are selective about which of their galaxy products are getting Ice cream sandwich.

Smart money and thinking are that Windows Phone 8 will be just for new devices and thinking about the underlying changes inside I tend to agree.