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    Zille “refugee” tweet under spotlight at SAHRC

    A youth activist has complained to the SA Human Rights Commission about Western Cape premier Helen Zille’s “refugee” comment...
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    good luck with that.
    All they have to do is pull out a dictionary and dismiss this stupid complaint.

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    I am not sure if I technically am still a youth...but frankly I am gatvol of these "youths". GROW UP ALREADY AND GROW A BRAIN!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocleroux View Post
    I am not sure if I technically am still a youth...but frankly I am gatvol of these "youths". GROW UP ALREADY AND GROW A BRAIN!!!!!!
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    It's people like this that will drive this country further into the pit. Instead of complaining about the real problem -lack of proper facilities/education in the EC - they moan about immaterial things that will not solve the real issues. Typical mentality. Let's bitch about BS and ignore the real problem...because that's worked so well in the past...wait....

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    How exactly was she infringing on a human right? If any, she was promoting open education in her province.
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    The comment was not made in jest, only to highlight how poor the current government is managing basic things like Education. Zille did explain that the definition of the word refugee in that circumstance applies to what is happening and that there is no other word to describe it.

    My guess is the complainant is just as uneducated as the current reign in government. I can't for the life of me see how the tweet undermines democracy or infringes on human rights. What very damn well is a human right violation, is the lack of action in the Eastern Cape surrounding the issue of education. I for one welcome these refugees. They're smart enough to go to a province where education is taken seriously, to some place where their basic human rights are met, and not just fobbed off or ignored until riots and mass-action ensues. The ANC are the ones violating the youth's human rights, not the DA and not by a 140 character tweet exposing the truth of the situation to the masses.

    Unfortunately this country is riddled with lemmings like Lukhona Mnguni who blindly believe the ANC has done it's best to provide and safe guard against any violations. Someone needs to sit them down and use very small words (accompanied by a bribe, since that's how it works) and a few statements of "amandla!" and "black power!" to show them the err of their support for the current failboat that is the ANC

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    Jeez, this Mnguni needs to grow thicker skin.

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    Small things amuse small minds in reference to Mnguni.Let it be, and focus on human rights disaster that's happening to the children of the E.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latro View Post
    Jeez, this Mnguni needs to grow thicker skin.
    I am sorry. For a country that has a history of racism and xenophobia, I think this is a statement that is irresponsible.

    The very reason why xenophobia flared up in May 2008 is because people are still very territorial. This country in my opinion has not yet really embraced the principles of being part of an international community. Many people are still living in the same types of microcosms that were created and enforced in the times of pass books.

    While racism was racial territorialism and xenophobia is national territorialism, the statement made by Zille is regional (intra country) territorialism. What makes this statement okay to many is that fact that she is only iterating how many people still view today's world. This territorialism that I speak of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcidRaZor View Post
    The comment was not made in jest, only to highlight how poor the current government is managing basic things like Education. Zille did explain that the definition of the word refugee in that circumstance applies to what is happening and that there is no other word to describe it.
    I can think of a simple word to use - "migrant". A word that allows you to describe more clearly what type of people movement we are talking about. Internal (within the country) or external (from outside the country) migrant.

    The word migrant, as opposed to refugee, would have been more appropriate because quite opposite to refugee, a migrant moves to a place to stay there and not on a temporary basis as in the case of a refugee.

    The word refugee means that you are a person that doesn't belong there. Are we saying that Eastern Caper born people cannot live in the Western Cape? We are if we are going to refer to them as refugees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrazieGoalz View Post
    I can think of a simple word to use - "migrant".
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    The word refugee means that you are a person that doesn't belong there. Are we saying that Eastern Caper born people cannot live in the Western Cape? We are if we are going to refer to them as refugees.
    since when does the word refugee mean that you don't belong somewhere? Even though technically Zille used it incorrectly according to the letter of the definition. In the spirit of the meaning it can be used to describe anyone fleeing a bad situation in search of a better life. Unlike a migrant, refugees move because they're desperate, not because they necessarily want to.

    Personally I don't is demeaning to people from the Eastern Cape. If anything it is a criticism of the poor governance in the province.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrazieGoalz View Post
    I am sorry. For a country that has a history of racism and xenophobia, I think this is a statement that is irresponsible.

    The very reason why xenophobia flared up in May 2008 is because people are still very territorial. This country in my opinion has not yet really embraced the principles of being part of an international community. Many people are still living in the same types of microcosms that were created and enforced in the times of pass books.

    While racism was racial territorialism and xenophobia is national territorialism, the statement made by Zille is regional (intra country) territorialism. What makes this statement okay to many is that fact that she is only iterating how many people still view today's world. This territorialism that I speak of.
    Couldn't have written it better myself!! It is sad that some people will condone someone just because she is against the same party they themselves are against. Zille screwed up on this one and no amount of justification will absolve her.

    My dictionary description doesn't agree with the way she used the word, I just don't know what dictionary she and her supporters use but she was out of line, period!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dups! View Post
    Couldn't have written it better myself!! It is sad that some people will condone someone just because she is against the same party they themselves are against. Zille screwed up on this one and no amount of justification will absolve her.

    My dictionary description doesn't agree with the way she used the word, I just don't know what dictionary she and her supporters use but she was out of line, period!
    The United Nations High Commission for Refugees uses the word in the same way as Zille did.
    How much more "authority" do you need than that?

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    It is obvious that the two camps in this debate have opposing views of what a refugee is. One is that refugees are people who need to be kept out, the other is that refugees are people who need to be helped. Call me a socialist but I believe in the latter.
    I don't know what Zille believes in but I do think that she's smart enough not to have meant that refugees are a threat to the western cape.

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