Would it be acceptable to non-Gauteng people if levies are used to pay SANRAL?

[Guantanamo]

Basically Gauteng supports the entire country and by you non-Gautengers not paying a fuel levy you are being selfish ____s.

[fantasticfred]

Basically Gauteng supports the entire country and by you non-Gautengers not paying a fuel levy you are being selfish ____s.

I was in the middle on this one. But if I'm going to be told we need to fall at the feet and kiss the bums of people from Gauteng for "supporting the whole country" then I think I might quickly make a firm decision to tell you to get stuffed and pay for your own damn roads. I mean you yourselves are telling us how you have all the money so why come begging to us poor okes ?

[fantasticfred]

The tolls in Gauteng will affect everyone. Or did you forget that Gauteng is the economic hub of the country?

As well as the crime hub. And it also has by far the highest "aggressive unfriendly @ssh0le" per capita quotient. That's not a joke. Coming from the chilled out coast, Peeps need to really kick back a little and chill out a bit up there. If they build faster ways for us to get to work we'd be like "that's pretty cool. If I can afford it i'll use it , else I won't. Shrug." You guys are ready to get down and murder each other.

But to be fair we don't have what you can really call a traffic problem.

[fantasticfred]

This uproar is very good it is showing the government enough is enough of ripping the consumer off.
I have no problem with a fuel levy being slightly increased .

This much is true. I support the outcry on the back of standing up as a consumer.

[UnUnOctium]

As well as the crime hub. And it also has by far the highest "aggressive unfriendly @ssh0le" per capita quotient. That's not a joke. Coming from the chilled out coast, Peeps need to really kick back a little and chill out a bit up there. If they build faster ways for us to get to work we'd be like "that's pretty cool. If I can afford it i'll use it , else I won't. Shrug." You guys are ready to get down and murder each other.

But to be fair we don't have what you can really call a traffic problem.

Agreed. Last time I checked, JHB domestic product is almost the same as CT. WC overall is half of GP's. With this attitude from a lot of the vaalies, WC might become pro-etoll.

[Sinbad]

Agreed. Last time I checked, JHB domestic product is almost the same as CT. WC overall is half of GP's. With this attitude from a lot of the vaalies, WC might become pro-etoll.

When you say Jhb there are you talking joburg city centre, or the entire metro, and Tshwane as well? Ie, the areas affected by the tolls?

Because I seriously seriously doubt CT comes close.

[fantasticfred]

Agreed. Last time I checked, JHB domestic product is almost the same as CT. WC overall is half of GP's. With this attitude from a lot of the vaalies, WC might become pro-etoll.

Now be nice to the Vaalies. We need them to rent our beach houses at exuberant prices each December. And who else is mad enough to swim in the freezing Cape town ocean ?

Oh yeah, the Brits and Germans. Never mind. Carry on.

[Ockie]

I think a fuel levy would be the way to go...even if it is only implemented only in Gauteng...though it would be better to do it country wide...then the burden would be spread much wider and thinner. If they say they cant do it in Gauteng only...then I call BS. They already doing something similar. Fuel costs less at the coast than it does inland...so they are capable of doing it.

[koeksGHT]

I can't be the only one to notice the petrol prices going up and up.. **** almost R12pl now.. how much of that is the government taxes? And they want e-tolls too?

ha

[sutekj]

Agreed. Last time I checked, JHB domestic product is almost the same as CT. WC overall is half of GP's. With this attitude from a lot of the vaalies, WC might become pro-etoll.

We really need to resist e-toll together, as a country. E-tolling in Gauteng with affect the whole country's economy negatively. And, if tolling is a success in Gauteng, you can bet your ass it's coming to Cape Town as well...

[Shayd]

Taxes are spread disproportionately in every country. In South Africa, Gauteng pays more than it receives. Even if the fuel Levy is increased to pay for the road infrastructure than situation ain't gonna change.

Well developed urban areas are always going to subsidise the outlying and less developed areas. If 100% of all taxes collected im Gauteng had to stay in Gauteng then many small Towns and provinces would collapse.

[Kosmik]

If gauteng was the same as KZN's roads, I'd have no issue with tolls.

Let me explain, if I choose to go to jhb I can either take the tolled N3 or the back way, South to PE is the n2 or again a decent back way and the same for north to Richards Bay. We have toll roads but we also have decent alternative roads. From what I understand the Gautengers do not.

Yes we could pay the fuel levy but would it not be better to ensure that there are sufficent normal, well maintained back roads and then the option of the toll road? Then the user pay principle is applied correctly.

[MickeyD]

We really need to resist e-toll together, as a country. E-tolling in Gauteng with affect the whole country's economy negatively. And, if tolling is a success in Gauteng, you can bet your ass it's coming to Cape Town as well...

Herein lies the legal catch...

If the roads in Gauteng are tolled due to the upgrades and for future maintenance, then the State will be forced to toll roads in the entire country to ensure consistency. They cannot toll certain roads and not toll others that fall within the same category.

The outcome of this court case affects the entire country and not just Gauteng.

[UnUnOctium]

When you say Jhb there are you talking joburg city centre, or the entire metro, and Tshwane as well? Ie, the areas affected by the tolls?

Because I seriously seriously doubt CT comes close.

The metro. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP)

It's poised to overtake JHB in a few years as well. You forget that this city is a very attractive investment for several factors including a university ranked #103 in the world, more reliable service delivery, more centralised/closer business locations and lower average salary (for lower tech anyways).

[UnUnOctium]

We really need to resist e-toll together, as a country. E-tolling in Gauteng with affect the whole country's economy negatively. And, if tolling is a success in Gauteng, you can bet your ass it's coming to Cape Town as well...

I have faith in the full resistance from provincial and municipal governments from the opposition that will barrage them