People flashing brights and causing with you ?

[Archer]

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You did not understand my post at all if thats the conclusion you came to...

[ChocolateBadger]

Bullying tactics. I do not feel "bullied" but flashing lights is a form of intimidation: get out of my way.

That purely on how you see it, he/she could be like, "Please kind sir, will you temporally move over so I can pass."

You seem to think just because something is legal, everyone should do it.

Yes because it would become a safer way of overtaking if you are both aware and in agreement of the overtake.

I have seen so many people have their life put in danger by stubborn people who won't swallow their pride and move out the way.
If you are driving slower than everyone around you, then you are the odd one out and you are causing the problems.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Jeezus, such drama queens. The law requires you to move over to the left lane if you are not overtaking. End of story.

[Colin62]

That purely on how you see it, he/she could be like, "Please kind sir, will you temporally move over so I can pass."



Yes because it would become a safer way of overtaking if you are both aware and in agreement of the overtake.

I have seen so many people have their life put in danger by stubborn people who won't swallow their pride and move out the way.
If you are driving slower than everyone around you, then you are the odd one out and you are causing the problems.

I couldn't agree more - if I'm approaching a much slower vehicle on the freeway, I'll usually flash my lights before I pass to warn them that I'm there and coming through, even when they're travelling in the left lane and I'm in the right. It doesn't cost anything and is the same as saying "excuse me" when stepping around someone who has their back to you, you're just letting them know what your intentions are.

[Naks]

I have seen so many people have their life put in danger by stubborn people who won't swallow their pride and move out the way. If you are driving slower than everyone around you, then you are the odd one out and you are causing the problems.

Indeed. When I'm driving long distance in the fully-loaded Defender, I always pull over (when it's safe to do so) as soon as I see another vehicle gaining on me. Sometimes they gain so fast that by the time I check my mirror, they are already flashing their lights. Again, it's not something to take personally.

I check that it is safe and then move over. They go past, everyone is happy, and more importantly, safe.

[scudsucker]

I have seen so many people have their life put in danger by stubborn people who won't swallow their pride and move out the way.

So the fact that I do not think it is safe to move over, and the following person then drives in a reckless and negligent manner, overtakes and puts their life in danger, is somehow my fault?

As I have said above, I do move over, when it is safe. As I try not to speed, this happens often when cars who are driving over the limit come up behind me. When safe to do so, I will pull over.

Flash headlights at me will not cause me to abandon my judgement of when it is safe. In fact I will take even more care because I will fear that the person behind is impatient, angry and/or inconsiderate - this will cause me to drive even more carefully.

[ChocolateBadger]

So the fact that I do not think it is safe to move over, and the following person then drives in a reckless and negligent manner, overtakes and puts their life in danger, is somehow my fault?

As I have said above, I do move over, when it is safe. As I try not to speed, this happens often when cars who are driving over the limit come up behind me. When safe to do so, I will pull over.

Flash headlights at me will not cause me to abandon my judgement of when it is safe. In fact I will take even more care because I will fear that the person behind is impatient, angry and/or inconsiderate - this will cause me to drive even more carefully.

The last part was generally speaking as indicated by the space I left between that paragraph and my comment to the quote. Not an attack on you.

[Archer]

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scudsucker, you need to learn that you are generalising, that not all people flashing their lights are "impatient/angry/inconsiderate." You are repeatedly making up scenarios where the following car is driven by a nutjob. However (cue the shock and horror) there are people who flash their lights to indicate the intent of overtaking, all while driving safely. If you are unable to comprehend this fact, then you will likely start irritating the nice people as well.

And just FYI, if some nutjob is sitting on your rear bumper, its actually safer to let him by as soon as you are able. Deliberately stalling, and making him be there longer will only make that person more dangerous. By being all high and mighty, you are actually your own worst enemy

[Colin62]

In fact I will take even more care because I will fear that the person behind is impatient, angry and/or inconsiderate - this will cause me to drive even more carefully.

You do realise that the value judgements that you are making about the person behind you are not necessarily true?

And that your extra caution is actually just an excuse to wield the little power you have over them?

[STS]

Driving slow in the fast lane = not doing anything wrong? O....k....you do realise slow drivers also put other drivers at risk...its not just fast drivers? Why do you think one of the rules of the road is keep left, pass right? Carry on driving like you do...its a matter of time before its gonna come back and deal you a PK...thats for sure!

Dont be an ass..if you drive slow, keep left.

everyone is misinterpreting his post, you guys need to learn to read he said he was not doing anything wrong(then gave an example of something wrong which e was not doing).

seriously

[tco21]

Few things:

1) The urban myth is definitely an urban myth.

2) If you're being tailed, go to a cop station.

3) Nothing worse than a moron in the fast lane that won't move even after you flash him so much you could induce an epileptic fit.

4) If the person behind me is a c***, I will slow down and troll him for as long as I can and then confront him/her by his window at the robot. People seem to act brave until a biker is up close.

[Kelerei]

Just reading through the posts here, it seems like folks are getting a bit mixed up between scenarios where it's only one lane (i.e. a 1x1, or 2x1 road), and where it's more than one lane (2x2, 3x3, etc.).

On the 2x2 roads, it's fairly obvious: keep left unless you're overtaking, and when you're done overtaking, move left again as soon as it's safe to do so. That being said, there's plenty of grey areas in real life. I'll give you some personal examples:

• Two heavy vehicles following each other ahead. They're doing 100, you're doing 120. You're closing up on them, check your mirrors, notice another vehicle in the right hand lane but a decent distance behind (say, > 200 m), so you indicate, move right, and start overtaking truck #1. As you're passing truck #1, you briefly check your rear-view mirror, and notice that the vehicle that was 200 m behind you when you began the overtaking maneuvure is now on your bumper, flashing his lights impatiently. There's a 30 m gap between the two trucks. You can either a) continue to overtake the second truck and move over once done, keeping in mind that you will have a rather pissed off driver behind you that may do something totally unpredictable once he gets the chance to get past, or b) slow down and squeeze into that 30 m gap, something that both the light flasher and truck #1 may not be anticipating.
  
  It's a little bit of a Catch-22 situation, but for me, the first option wins -- I'd prefer not to risk being rear-ended by either the guy on my bumper (who isn't keeping a safe following distance), or the truck driver who would be expecting me to overtake the second truck. The only exception would be if the guy on my bumper is an emergency vehicle, complete with sirens/flashing lights, as in that scenario, he's got a good reason to get me to move over ASAP, and the sirens/flashing lights would make everyone aware of it.
  
• Second situation: you've completed overtaking, you now have someone wanting to overtake you, but a solid line prohibits you from moving back over (i.e. you're driving past an off-ramp). Do you illegally cross the solid line to let him through, or illegally hold up the driver behind you until the solid line ends, and let him through then?

It's not always black and white, I'm afraid.

It's even more murky in real life with the 1x1 scenario and yellow line driving. The law states that you may do so (if the driver is satisfied that the various safety criteria is met), not must do so -- there's a fairly important difference between the two. I'll always lift off and move over provided I feel it's safe to do so (i.e. it's not at night, it's not on a curve, I can see the road far enough ahead of me to see that the other guy will be able to overtake without putting both of us in danger, and so forth), but some folks don't (and you'll even see stickers on delivery vehicles stating "this driver is prohibited from driving in the yellow lane" or something to that effect). If they decide not to drive in the yellow lane, for whatever reason (they feel it's unsafe, company policy says no, etc.), then you're in no position to force them over -- just overtake them when it's safe. Yellow lane driving and "keep left, pass right" aren't the same thing, but there are folks out there that don't realise or respect that.