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    Thumbs up Texas Farmer beats daughter's abuser to death, Community supports him

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/14/us...led/index.html

    Shiner, Texas (CNN) -- Shiner is a place you can raise your cattle and chickens under the hot Texas sun, cool off with a bottle from the Lone Star State's oldest independent brewery, then go to bed knowing all your neighbors and believing that you'll be safe.
    But a few days ago, one of its trademark ranches turned into a crime scene. That's when a father spotted a man sexually assaulting his 5-year-old daughter, then beat the alleged abuser to death.
    In a community that prides itself as being peaceful, a place where things like this just don't happen, there is a sweeping consensus that justice was served.
    "Any father would have done that," Michael James Veit, whose son graduated with the father from Shiner High School in 2007 and who now lives across the road from the ranch where the killing took place, said Thursday. "Everybody is saying the father is justified."
    Father kills man abusing daughter
    According to the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office, the 23-year-old father and his family were enjoying a barbecue last Saturday at their ranch on Shiner's outskirts where they keep horses and chickens.
    His young daughter had gone off toward the barn, to feed the chickens, the child's grandfather -- who isn't being named, to protect the identity of his granddaughter -- told CNN affiliates KSAT and KPRC.
    Then her father heard screaming and ran. He found a 47-year-old man in the act of sexually abusing his daughter, according to Sheriff Mica Harmon.
    The father stopped the alleged abuser, then pounded him repeatedly in the head.
    "I jumped the fence and saw the man on the ground," the grandfather said of what he first saw. "At that point, I didn't know if he was dead or not."
    Authorities did, in fact, pronounce the alleged abuser dead. Lavaca County Precinct Judge Alene Lyons said Monday that a preliminary autopsy report shows he "died from blunt-force head and neck injuries," adding toxicology report results should be back in six weeks.
    Harmon described the victim as an acquaintance of the family, known for his horse-grooming abilities. He has not been publicly identified by authorities.
    The father himself called 911, telling them that his daughter's alleged abuser was lying, beaten, on the ground. Afterward, the sheriff said that the admitted killer appeared "very remorseful" and didn't know the other man would die at the scene.
    Asked whether authorities would press charges against the father, the sheriff responded, "You have a right to defend your daughter. He acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed, we will submit it to the district attorney, who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him."
    Neighbors portrayed the father as hard-working, friendly and polite, the type of guy who reliably addresses others as "Sir."
    "He's not a violent guy. He's never been in any trouble in his life," Veit said of a man he described as a single father who worked nobly to make ends meet. "He's a good, honest, hard-working kid."
    Most any violence is unexpected in Shiner, a community between Houston and San Antonio that has about 2,000 people within its city limits and another 1,500 or so on its outskirts, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
    Billing itself as the "Cleanest Little City in Texas," Shiner is known for the Spoetzl Brewery, a wire and plastics company, not to mention its acres upon acres of plains and farms. Veit calls it "a small-town community," filled with folks who may not be wealthy but who work hard and look out for one another.
    "Nothing ever happens. There's never any murders here," Veit said. "Everybody knows everybody and gets along with everybody. (This killing) is a real big shock."
    I wonder what would happen to the guy if this happened in SA?

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    Rapes would stop.

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    Gr8 stuff and I hope he gets off scot free.
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    Typical MyBB. Pronouncing a guy a hero and innocent, after he just beat someone to death.

    There's also a snide remark at our criminal courts, who could possibly have expected that? *yawn*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    Typical MyBB. Pronouncing a guy a hero and innocent, after he just beat someone to death.
    There's also a snide remark at our criminal courts, who could possibly have expected that? *yawn*
    So you prefer to defend the rights of paedophiles caught in the act then? Okaaaaaay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    Typical MyBB. Pronouncing a guy a hero and innocent, after he just beat someone to death.

    There's also a snide remark at our criminal courts, who could possibly have expected that? *yawn*
    He was defending his daughter, who couldn't protect herself from this scumbag.

    What was he supposed to do,wait until he was done and politely ask that he accompany him to the authorities.

    In this specific instance I'd say yes let the man go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrYes View Post
    He was defending his daughter, who couldn't protect herself from this scumbag.

    What was he supposed to do,wait until he was done and politely ask that he accompany him to the authorities.

    In this specific instance I'd say yes let the man go.
    He stopped the guy easily enough, then continued beating him to a pulp. That is not self defence.

    The one thing that could save him is if he claims temporary insanity brought on in the moment of rage or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
    So you prefer to defend the rights of paedophiles caught in the act then? Okaaaaaay.
    No, the rule of law to being adhered to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponder View Post
    He stopped the guy easily enough, then continued beating him to a pulp. That is not self defence.

    The one thing that could save him is if he claims temporary insanity brought on in the moment of rage or something like that.
    The father himself called 911, telling them that his daughter's alleged abuser was lying, beaten, on the ground. Afterward, the sheriff said that the admitted killer appeared "very remorseful" and didn't know the other man would die at the scene.
    Asked whether authorities would press charges against the father, the sheriff responded, "You have a right to defend your daughter. He acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed, we will submit it to the district attorney, who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him."
    Neighbors portrayed the father as hard-working, friendly and polite, the type of guy who reliably addresses others as "Sir."
    "He's not a violent guy. He's never been in any trouble in his life," Veit said of a man he described as a single father who worked nobly to make ends meet. "He's a good, honest, hard-working kid."
    Yip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    Typical MyBB. Pronouncing a guy a hero and innocent, after he just beat someone to death.

    There's also a snide remark at our criminal courts, who could possibly have expected that? *yawn*
    How can you possibly be on the wrong side of this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garson007 View Post
    Typical MyBB. Pronouncing a guy a hero and innocent, after he just beat someone to death.
    If it happened as they say it happened, there is nothing wrong with the reaction.

    Sounds like he died after taking a few punches actually. Freak accident, and by freak, I mean the paedophile.

    I know what Garson would suggest, he'd suggest we hug him better.
    Your stance on how to treat criminals always makes me suspicious of you Garson. What terrible thing(s) have you done (at the very least, in your own mind) that would make you defend a paedophile, as if he was you?
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    I must say this is typical Texan behaviour. I spent 2 years outside Forth Worth and the farmers there do not take sh*t from anyone. Texans generally don't like what they call bleeding heart liberals. I understand that what occurred is morally wrong, but the majority of Texans would just say that he got what he deserved. There may be a trial of sorts, but in the US the jury will be composed of locals and I doubt the prosecutor will try very hard

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    its not okay for the dad to beat him to death, but it will be okay for the Texas authority to put him to death!

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    Just imagining walking into that scene...cannot say for sure how bev@k that would make me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
    So you prefer to defend the rights of paedophiles caught in the act then? Okaaaaaay.
    Everyone has the same defensible rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHiveMind View Post
    If it happened as they say it happened, there is nothing wrong with the reaction.
    Quite a big assumption there. Especially considering how the media works.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHiveMind View Post
    I know what Garson would suggest, he'd suggest we hug him better.
    Your stance on how to treat criminals always makes me suspicious of you Garson. What terrible thing(s) have you done (at the very least, in your own mind) that would make you defend a paedophile, as if he was you?
    Hug him better? No. Besides, this is not about the alleged paedophile - it's about one man killing another.

    I have done nothing terrible. I didn't defend anyone as if they were me. I'm defending everyone as if they are equal citizens under law, that - yes - does include me. However, I realise the rage that builds up inside you when the words "equal" are mentioned, so I wouldn't want to prolong your nausea.
    Last edited by Garson007; 16-06-2012 at 05:47 PM.

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