If evolution is true...

[porchrat]

Dont tell me you missed it? Hell its in his signature.

I saw it but it is hardly conclusive evidence. I doubt JWs are the only folks that refer to big G as Jehova. It is just a romanization of Yahweh. As far as most scholars can tell it has been around as a word for close on 1000 years if not more.


EDIT: the Stupid Design thing was very funny BTW. Just yesterday some water went down the wrong way and I proceeded to cough for a good 30 minutes thereafter. I couldn't help but think "damnit I wish I had separate holes for breathing and eating". Actually that isn't the first time this thought occurred to me. Stupid single hole!

[WilD_CaT]

How the hell does this topic warrant 44 pages.

Nevermind the fact it is 44 pages IN 2 DAYS!

[Elimentals]

How the hell does this topic warrant 44 pages.

Nevermind the fact it is 44 pages IN 2 DAYS!

Blame people that think science main goal in life is to disprove their deity instead of trying to discovering medicine that would help us live longer.

Evolution does not exist!!! then takes tablets that exist purely because of what we learned from evolution. <--- go figure.

[porchrat]

How the hell does this topic warrant 44 pages.

Nevermind the fact it is 44 pages IN 2 DAYS!

2 and a half days technically. You have to count the day it was created and today. Just saying.


I imagine it got to this size because it was so hilarious. I certainly haven't been able to keep up with reading all of it but there have been some really really REALLY retarded rza-style posts in there. Almost sad it got moved to PD so a lot of those lunatics couldn't keep posting about atoms in trees and schit

[TJ99]

Don't forget giving lions machine guns, or how "fun" Dahmer's rampages were.

[CR34M3]

How the hell does this topic warrant 44 pages.

Nevermind the fact it is 44 pages IN 2 DAYS!

You beat me to this comment...
Man, this is like the TK of PD. (excuse the acronym-speak )

[porchrat]

Don't forget giving lions machine guns, or how "fun" Dahmer's rampages were.

Oh man I totally forgot about that one. Hilarious!

[buyeye]

Dont blame him. Its part of what he was brought up to do. In fact his church had falsy claimed the end of the world many times.
According to JW the would should have ended in 1874, 1878, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925 and in 1975.

So its just part of what they do.

[]

This is my Denominations history :
"
THE modern history of Jehovah's Witnesses began more than a hundred years ago. In the early 1870's, a rather inconspicuous Bible study group began in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., which is now a part of Pittsburgh. Charles Taze Russell was the prime mover of the group. In July 1879, the first issue of the magazine Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence appeared. By 1880 scores of congregations had spread from that one small Bible study into nearby states. In 1881 Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society was formed, and in 1884 it was incorporated, with Russell as president. The Society's name was later changed to Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. Many were witnessing from house to house offering Bible literature. Fifty persons were doing this full time in 1888—now the average number worldwide is about 700,000."

And it is slanderous to accuse us of predicting the second coming as scipture clearly states that no man knows this .36“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father"

There are scriptures that teach of what to be aware of like these:
"7Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be, and what will be the sign when these things are destined to occur?” 8He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them. 9Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

this is what is taught , NOONE would ever claim to know when the end will come.

[Elimentals]

This is my Denominations history :
"
THE modern history of Jehovah's Witnesses began more than a hundred years ago. In the early 1870's, a rather inconspicuous Bible study group began in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., which is now a part of Pittsburgh. Charles Taze Russell was the prime mover of the group. In July 1879, the first issue of the magazine Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence appeared. By 1880 scores of congregations had spread from that one small Bible study into nearby states. In 1881 Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society was formed, and in 1884 it was incorporated, with Russell as president. The Society's name was later changed to Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. Many were witnessing from house to house offering Bible literature. Fifty persons were doing this full time in 1888—now the average number worldwide is about 700,000."

And it is slanderous to accuse us of predicting the second coming as scipture clearly states that no man knows this .

There are scriptures that teach of what to be aware of like these:
"7Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be, and what will be the sign when these things are destined to occur?” 8He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them. 9Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

this is what is taught , NOONE would ever claim to know when the end will come.

Dude its no secret that they did predict it in the past. Go ask your elders what Charles Taze Russell, one of your founders reasons was for creating the religion?

Please note: if you really want me to point you to sources and documents that might disrupt your believe I can do so, but I also know the price you will have to pay if you do so hence the warning.

[buyeye]

Dude its no secret that they did predict it in the past. Go ask your elders what Charles Taze Russell, one of your founders reasons was for creating the religion?

Please note: if you really want me to point you to sources and documents that might disrupt your believe I can do so, but I also know the price you will have to pay if you do so hence the warning.

Dude that is why both of us are here is to share information.

[Elimentals]

Dude that is why both of us are here is to share information.

Cool you can start by reading
Past predictions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_T...ed_predictions
About your founder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell

Then read Deuteronomy 18:20-22 in your bible.

[porchrat]

LOL OK buyeye is a JW.

ROFL. Plenty of predictions from the JW camp there buyeye. Sorry but nobody can deny this with any real credibility. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society has a proud embarrassing history of failed predictions. Wikipedia even dedicates an entire article just to that topic.

I also love that standard line about the formation of the church. I hear it all the time. I get a similar thing from the Mormons.

[Elimentals]

LOL OK buyeye is a JW.

ROFL. Plenty of predictions from the JW camp there buyeye. Sorry but nobody can deny this with any real credibility. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society has a proud embarrassing history of failed predictions. Wikipedia even dedicates an entire article just to that topic.

I also love that standard line about the formation of the church. I hear it all the time. I get a similar thing from the Mormons.

Only problem is I think we should start a new thread for this as we are about to go waaaaay OT if I continue.

[buyeye]

Cool you can start by reading
Past predictions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_T...ed_predictions
About your founder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell

Then read Deuteronomy 18:20-22 in your bible.

I did and he did not claim to be prophet rather a scholar and scholars don't make predictions but analysis of what is studied , there is a big difference.
From wikipedia which you quoted I read this:
"Theology and teachings

Following his analytical examination of the Bible, Russell and other Bible Students came to believe that Christian creeds and traditions were harmful errors, believing they had restored Christianity to the purity held in the first century. Such views and conclusions were viewed as heresy by many Church leaders and scholars in his day. Russell agreed with other Protestants on the primacy of the Bible, and justification by faith alone, but thought that errors had been introduced in interpretation. Russell agreed with many 19th century Protestants, including Millerites, in the concept of a Great Apostasy that began in the first century AD. He also agreed with many other contemporary Protestants in belief in the imminent Second Coming of Christ, and Armageddon. Some of the areas in which his Scriptural interpretations differed from those of Catholics, and many Protestants, include the following:





The Chart of the Ages Hell. He maintained that there was a heavenly resurrection of 144,000 righteous, as well as a "great multitude", but believed that the remainder of mankind slept in death, awaiting an earthly resurrection.
The Trinity. Russell believed in the divinity of Christ, but differed from orthodoxy by teaching Jesus had received that divinity as a gift from the Father, after dying on the cross. He also taught that the Holy Spirit is not a person, but the manifestation of God's power.
Christ's Second Coming. Russell believed that Christ had returned invisibly in 1874, and that he had been ruling from the heavens since that date. He predicted that a period known as the "Gentile Times" would end in 1914, and that Christ would take power of Earth's affairs at that time. He interpreted the outbreak of World War I as the beginning of Armageddon, which he viewed to be both a gradual deterioration of civilized society, and a climactic multi-national attack on a restored Israel accompanied by worldwide anarchy.
Pyramidology. Following views first taught by Christian writers such as John Taylor, Charles Piazzi Smyth and Joseph Seiss, he believed the Great Pyramid of Giza was built by the Hebrews (associated to the Hyksos) under God’s direction, but to be understood only in our day. He adopted and used Seiss's phrase referring to it as "the Bible in stone". He believed that certain biblical texts, including Isaiah 19:19–20 and others, prophesied a future understanding of the Great Pyramid and adopted the view that the various ascending and descending passages represented the fall of man, the provision of the Mosaic Law, the death of Christ, the exultation of the saints in heaven, etc. Calculations were made using the pattern of an inch per year. Dates such as 1874, 1914, and 1948 were purported to have been found through the study of this monument.[54]
Christian Zionism. Expanding upon an idea suggested by Nelson Barbour, Russell taught as early as 1879 that God's favor had been restored to Jews as the result of a prophetic "double" which had ended in 1878 (favor from Jacob to Jesus, then disfavor from Jesus until 1878). In 1910, he conducted a meeting at the New York Hippodrome Theatre, with thousands of Jews attending. Jews and Christians alike were shocked by his teaching that Jews should not convert to Christianity. Russell believed that the land of Palestine belonged exclusively to the Jewish race, that God was now calling them back to their land, and that they would be the center of earthly leadership under God's Kingdom. Early in Russell's ministry, he speculated that the Jews would possibly flock to Palestine and form their own nation by the year 1910. Shortly before his death, he utilized the Jewish press to stress that 1914 prophetically marked the time when Gentile nations no longer had earthly authority with the result that all Jews were, from that time onward, permitted and guided by God to gather to Palestine and boldly reclaim the land for themselves.
Climate change. In writings as early as 1883 (and through to the end of his life) Russell repeatedly expressed the view that the world's climate would gradually but significantly change as a prelude to the re-establishment of Eden-like conditions. These changes, he said, would include the gradual melting of the Greenland ice sheet, the Arctic and "

I was really impressed by the last one and did not know it before today.
There was nothing schocking or didn't already know about those teachings. I thank you though for pointing them out.

[porchrat]

Only problem is I think we should start a new thread for this as we are about to go waaaaay OT if I continue.

Between machine guns for lions and my atoms in trees I don't think this thread was ever on topic.