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    Quote Originally Posted by Randhir View Post
    I'm just here coz I wanna know if he sorted out his problems with Game. It's like a soapie. And did he get a haircut?
    I got the hair cut, and it sucks cause my afro/jewfro is gone now... and yes I sorted game out they gave me a New HDMI cable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lament View Post
    SWA, i agree with you 100%
    I believe in mutation/adaption

    For all these evolution experts, please explain something to me, so if i am the subject of a evolved ape, please tell me where are all the in between human/ape’s, i mean the ape did not evolve into a human overnight, there must probably be a 1000 different human/ape variations before the first human being, i highly doubt all the in between human apes died out and only the ape and human survived.
    Have you never been exposed to the intricacies of the genus homo? How can one pass matric without ever studying this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hoxbig View Post
    No need to, it's obvious that your current generation of relatives are. It's remarkable that you're able to use a keyboard at all, let alone form semi-coherent sentences.

    Here you go buddy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVezEHJeCek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edduck View Post
    OH dear are we really doing this AGAIN for the umpteenth time...

    If I can just throw my 2c in (which I believe is worth something as I am a qualified microbiologist/biotechnologist):

    For all the ToE naysayers, just trrrrrrrrrry think further than your nose. You seem to have this dogmatic view that ToE is the miraculous change of one animal into a new form of the same animal or even into something completely different. This is the ignorant mass-media anti-ToE view that is pushed by (mainly) religious outlets in an attempt to reinforce their beliefs.

    Please look at ToE through my eyes:

    As I understand it, species and more specifically strains are in a constant state of genetic flux from generation to the next. This genetic variation on a generational basis might not seem to change much in the strain. I think this is because we as humans tend to discount the rate at which adaptation occurs due to our (relatively) bad comprehension of the age of this planet and all the organisms on it.

    If we take the example of the moth which changed colours. Over generations an organisms adapted to it's environment. It changed physically. It did not need to grow an extra set of wings to evolve, all it needed to do was change its body and wing colour in order to increase its species survival chances. This is evolution pure and simple. I can give my own example from within my own scientific environment. In laboratories we very often use antimicrobial compounds as a selection tool to kill bacteria that do not contain a functional piece (and hence a piece of artificially inserted DNA) of circular DNA called a 'plasmid'. If this plasmid was functional the bacteria would survive as it can produce a protein that destroys the antimicrobial compound. This is artificially induced evolution.

    Now that you have a bit of background, to my point: We have all heard about MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus), a bacteria, that many years ago (pre-antibiotics) usually lived very happily on your skin without causing you harm. Now the antibiotic resistant form has developed i.e. MRSA and hospitals world-over have many many cases were people die because a once harmless skin bacteria causes severe infections as the antibiotics developed to kill it, don't.

    THIS is evolution at its finest.

    The end. Argument over.
    can you put this in graph form?

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    Oh no, he didn't just pull out Kent Hovind I think he actually believes this crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiBanks99 View Post
    Ok, I like the way you guys reason. But let me add one of the best indications that evolution exists, according to your reasoning: dogs from wolves.

    You know what, I do believe dogs come from wolves. Man, my one mix-breed looks just like a wolf and acts like I think one should act as well. Heaven, she would even be able to carry wolf pups if she and some wolf fell in love and lived happily ever after. Same story for house cats and the big cats. I believe that. If that is evolution, then hell yeah! Evolution FTW!!

    But sadly that is where my belief ends. We cannot reproduce with chimps. Cats can not reproduce with dogs. Chromosomes are the difference here and no matter if there is some symbolic link back in the ages. As far as I know, chromosomes are required for successful reproduction and why on earth can't the cat and the dog reproduce if they had a common ancestor? Why do chromosomes "evolve"?
    Because you have no grasp of evolutionary science ?

    For a species to not be able to reproduce there needs to be more than 0.004 % difference in DNA (not chromosomes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlikins101 View Post
    can you put this in graph form?
    Were the big 2 syllable words a little too much to process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlikins101 View Post
    Oh yeah Mr Kent Hovind

    The man thats in jail because he did not render onto Ceasar what was "his" (Something even his bible order him to do)

    Best stand-up comedian I know to date.
    .... and thanks for all the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edduck View Post
    OH dear are we really doing this AGAIN for the umpteenth time...

    If I can just throw my 2c in (which I believe is worth something as I am a qualified microbiologist/biotechnologist):

    For all the ToE naysayers, just trrrrrrrrrry think further than your nose. You seem to have this dogmatic view that ToE is the miraculous change of one animal into a new form of the same animal or even into something completely different. This is the ignorant mass-media anti-ToE view that is pushed by (mainly) religious outlets in an attempt to reinforce their beliefs.

    Please look at ToE through my eyes:

    As I understand it, species and more specifically strains are in a constant state of genetic flux from generation to the next. This genetic variation on a generational basis might not seem to change much in the strain. I think this is because we as humans tend to discount the rate at which adaptation occurs due to our (relatively) bad comprehension of the age of this planet and all the organisms on it.

    If we take the example of the moth which changed colours. Over generations an organisms adapted to it's environment. It changed physically. It did not need to grow an extra set of wings to evolve, all it needed to do was change its body and wing colour in order to increase its species survival chances. This is evolution pure and simple. I can give my own example from within my own scientific environment. In laboratories we very often use antimicrobial compounds as a selection tool to kill bacteria that do not contain a functional piece (and hence a piece of artificially inserted DNA) of circular DNA called a 'plasmid'. If this plasmid was functional the bacteria would survive as it can produce a protein that destroys the antimicrobial compound. This is artificially induced evolution.

    Now that you have a bit of background, to my point: We have all heard about MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus), a bacteria, that many years ago (pre-antibiotics) usually lived very happily on your skin without causing you harm. Now the antibiotic resistant form has developed i.e. MRSA and hospitals world-over have many many cases were people die because a once harmless skin bacteria causes severe infections as the antibiotics developed to kill it, don't.

    THIS is evolution at its finest.

    The end. Argument over.
    This I can accept. This I will agree with. This, to me sounds plausible. If this is what evolution is, then, sure, I believe in evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiBanks99 View Post
    This I can accept. This I will agree with. This, to me sounds plausible. If this is what evolution is, then, sure, I believe in evolution.
    One can not simply believe in evolution, one can start to understand it.

    Believing is something is to make something imaginary, real in your mind.

    Edit: To say "I believe in evolution" is one and the same as to say "I believe in gravity".
    Last edited by Elimentals; 20-06-2012 at 12:45 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elimentals View Post
    Oh yeah Mr Kent Hovind

    The man thats in jail because he did not render onto Ceasar what was "his" (Something even his bible order him to do)

    Best stand-up comedian I know to date.
    he is a bit of a douche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlikins101 View Post

    Carbon testing has been proved to be a fail.
    What exactly is carbon testing? If you are referring to carbon dating then obviously you are not aware of the fact that carbon is only ONE of the isotopes being used in radiometric dating. There are many. Educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiBanks99 View Post
    This I can accept. This I will agree with. This, to me sounds plausible. If this is what evolution is, then, sure, I believe in evolution.
    Did the big words convince you?
    "Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus"


    PS I gave my girl some 'plasmid' last night... or was it ecto plasm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiBanks99 View Post
    This I can accept. This I will agree with. This, to me sounds plausible. If this is what evolution is, then, sure, I believe in evolution.
    The next obstacle to overcome is to move away from the mindset that it is a belief of some sort. It is merely an acceptance of observable reality. It is like stating that you are a believer in termites, because they exist...

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    Play fair guys.

    Keep to the topic, don't insult each other with bananas etc.
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