Scientific and logical objections to evolution...

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Um, Ekstasis claimed there is a conspiracy of scientists and information outlets controlling this all. He is quite open about it. Perhaps put on those spectacles and try again...

I didn't see him claim that. Correct me if I'm wrong here but it was actually you who used the word here first like it always is. It's more like a systematic self delusion than a conspiracy.

Ah right. Einstein's theories are no big deal at all. Gotcha. The majority of mankind will disagree with you, especially considering that most of technology has its basis in his theories, but nonetheless - what does the rest of the world know, right? We've got you to set us straight...

It's no big deal to anybody's beliefs. As I pointed out the speed of light is actually a barrier that's wished away so they have every reason to report on findings to the contrary. Virtually every atheist on this planet however wants evolution to be true so there is a major self interest in not even looking for anything to the contrary.

If it is disproven, then so be it. I couldn't give a hoot. Whatever is proven thereafter will shape my understanding of the world around me. Until then, and without any credible evidence that this global conspiracy of scientists is pulling the wool over our eyes, I'm gonna stick with what we both observe, and can prove. Evolution...



Ah, and once again the belief system claim comes to the fore. Considering it was just discussed two days ago, in great depth, and you are well aware of this, I am not going to turn this into another back and forth about your warped definition. Be my guest. I'll be at my atheist temple drinking fermented hop-water...

We keep getting our beliefs dragged into this so what's good for the goose is good for the gander. So you want me to believe that your beliefs don't play a part in this? Just like you believe me when I tell you the issue here is not my beliefs but the actual evidence that is always claimed to prove evolution but never does? Come on man let's settle this. Why not just admit that the real reason here is because you want to believe it's true? Because without evolution you have to look for it somewhere else so you have no reason to want to look at anything to the contrary. You want to continue believing in your fantasy where the only one you are accountable to is yourself. It's not so nice when the show is on the other foot hey?

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"Intelligent Design is a science-based rebuttal to Darwinism that uses modern microbiological evidence to claim that macro-evolution is simply not possible, and does not account for life on Earth. They postulate that life is so incredibly complex at its most basic level, there is no plausible explanation for it to exist other than that at some point an "intelligent" entity (they do not specify this entity, but it would be vastly more intelligent than humans) had to consciously and deliberately create life."

macro-evolution ? so they say evolution exists and it doesnt exists. Utter rubbish. There is no such thing as macro and micro evolution. THEY ALL ARE ORGANISMS EVEN IF THEY SO SMALL TO BE SEEN THROUGH A MICROSCOPE

cells ---> tissues ---> organs ---> complex thing .... repeat after me say it.

What kind of idiot seperates evolution into microscopic and macroscopic. Its like saying you get electrons and you get protons but there no such thing as an atom .... morons

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Science doesn't have logical answers for everything ....lad.

Thats when we say "I do not know" we dont say "god did it"

name one proven FACT of science thats not logical

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I didn't see him claim that. Correct me if I'm wrong here but it was actually you who used the word here first like it always is. It's more like a systematic self delusion than a conspiracy.

Oh for christ's sake - now you're just trolling for the sake of it to piss people off, surely? He made the claim - just read up a few posts. He even claimed Wikipedia are in on the conspiracy ffs. Stop defending people because you share a belief. It is disgusting behaviour...

It's no big deal to anybody's beliefs. As I pointed out the speed of light is actually a barrier that's wished away

That's wished away by who?

Virtually every atheist on this planet however wants evolution to be true so there is a major self interest in not even looking for anything to the contrary.

You make a lot of claims but never back it up with evidence. If there are studies looking at motives for evolution among atheists, then please post them. Or you're simply making schit up again. I can tell you from my perspective, that if another theory was proposed, that was scientifically proven, that disproves evolution, I'd gladly change my position. I just posted that though in the post you quoted, so I'm not sure why it requires repeating over and over. Oh yes that's right - because you completely overlooked that and simply quoted for the sake of it serving as a soapbox for you...

We keep getting our beliefs dragged into this

I haven't once dragged your beliefs into this. Stop lying...

So you want me to believe that your beliefs don't play a part in this?

I told you I refuse to play this game in here. You know full well that atheism is not a belief system and I kindly request that if you want to continue this line of argumentative hogwash, that you do it in the thread that you were involved in just a few days ago where the arguments are put forward in a pragmatic manner, that doesn't require the further derailment of this thread...

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